Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
Arthur Barca -> Juve
Pjanic Juve -> Barca
Rakitic Barca - > Sevilla
van Beek Ajax -> Man U
Ake B'mouth -> Man City
Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Doherty Wolves -> Spurs
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:
Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
Arthur Barca -> Juve
Pjanic Juve -> Barca
Rakitic Barca - > Sevilla
van Beek Ajax -> Man U
Ake B'mouth -> Man City
Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Doherty Wolves -> Spurs
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)
Bale Real -> Spurs (loan)a
Reguillon Real -> Spurs
In article <b8ef1c40-03c5-46ee...@googlegroups.com>,
Al Kamista <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Very intelligent!!Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)Thug!
Bale Real -> Spurs (loan)a
LOL!
Reguillon Real -> Spurs
LOL!
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:
Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
Arthur Barca -> Juve
Pjanic Juve -> Barca
Rakitic Barca - > Sevilla
van Beek Ajax -> Man U
Ake B'mouth -> Man City
Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Doherty Wolves -> Spurs
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)
Bale Real -> Spurs (loan)
Reguillon Real -> Spurs
On 2020-09-17 09:16, Al Kamista wrote:I think he mostly eats into Wijnaldum, Keita, and Ox's time.
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:
Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
Arthur Barca -> Juve
Pjanic Juve -> Barca
Rakitic Barca - > Sevilla
van Beek Ajax -> Man U
Ake B'mouth -> Man City
Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Doherty Wolves -> Spurs
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?
and is it really that much of a gain ? I remain to be convinced butSky Sports put up a stat which showed that he trumped all of LFC's midfielders in the 3 areas of interceptions, recoveries, and dribbles. End product was less impressive, 3G and 0A in Bundesliga last season (2G 6A the season prior, which is much better). So improvement for sure, but a critical need? No. A quality forward was needed more. Sarr from Watford is rumored, but the club needs to generate funds from player sales first.
will be happy if my scepticism is unfounded.
On Friday, 4 September 2020 21:35:40 UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:
Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Key non-transfer: Messi is staying at Barca, even though he has made it
abundantly clear that he doesn't want to and will not be bothered.
Honestly, that interview was the most interesting Messi has ever been (off the pitch).
On 2020-09-17 09:16, Al Kamista wrote:
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)
Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?
and is it really that much of a gain ? I remain to be convinced but
will be happy if my scepticism is unfounded.
Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 11:38:42 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
I think he mostly eats into Wijnaldum, Keita, and Ox's time.Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?
Sky Sports put up a stat which showed that he trumped all of LFC's midfielders in the 3 areas of interceptions, recoveries, and dribbles.
End product was less impressive, 3G and 0A in Bundesliga last season
(2G 6A the season prior, which is much better). So improvement for
sure, but a critical need? No. A quality forward was needed more. Sarr
from Watford is rumored, but the club needs to generate funds from
player sales first.
On 2020-09-18, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
On 2020-09-17 09:16, Al Kamista wrote:
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)
Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?
and is it really that much of a gain ? I remain to be convinced but
will be happy if my scepticism is unfounded.
Liverpool has Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Keita, and now Thiago for
3 positions. Not that excessive for a big club.
On 2020-09-18, MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
On 2020-09-17 09:16, Al Kamista wrote:
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)
Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?Liverpool has Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Keita, and now Thiago for
and is it really that much of a gain ? I remain to be convinced but
will be happy if my scepticism is unfounded.
3 positions. Not that excessive for a big club.
On 2020-09-18, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
On 2020-09-17 09:16, Al Kamista wrote:
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)
Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?
and is it really that much of a gain ? I remain to be convinced but
will be happy if my scepticism is unfounded.
Liverpool has Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Keita, and now Thiago for
3 positions. Not that excessive for a big club.
IMHO the key to this transfer is not numbers, but options. Thiago
brings in a very different skillset, opening new possibilities for Klopp.
On 2020-09-18, Al Kamista <alkamista@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sky Sports put up a stat which showed that he trumped all of LFC's
midfielders in the 3 areas of interceptions, recoveries, and dribbles.
End product was less impressive, 3G and 0A in Bundesliga last season
(2G 6A the season prior, which is much better). So improvement for
sure, but a critical need? No. A quality forward was needed more. Sarr
from Watford is rumored, but the club needs to generate funds from
player sales first.
Perfect reason why I don't think these stats are worth a squat for
players in the #6 position. Example was the goal in the Final, started
with a very sweet opening pass diagonally over 1/3 the field from Thiago
to Kimmich. In to Mueller, toed back to Kimmich, then the cross and
goal. Doesn't happen without Thiago's insight and skill. It was like
this very often last season. He was a central part of our success.
The only stat that is relevant is pass percentage and turnovers. When
he did not do well, where you saw it was the turnovers, where in the
CL even one can cause a loss. But we always needed that type of player
in front of the defense, and he has not always had to be a scorer.
On 2020-09-18, Al Kamista <> wrote:He did score the go-ahead goal in extra-time in Bayern-Juve, 2016 CL quarterfinal. The actual existence of that match is disputed, though.
Sky Sports put up a stat which showed that he trumped all of LFC's midfielders in the 3 areas of interceptions, recoveries, and dribbles.
End product was less impressive, 3G and 0A in Bundesliga last season
(2G 6A the season prior, which is much better). So improvement for
sure, but a critical need? No. A quality forward was needed more. Sarr
from Watford is rumored, but the club needs to generate funds from
player sales first.
Perfect reason why I don't think these stats are worth a squat for
players in the #6 position.
Example was the goal in the Final, startedI think there are better stats out there now for central midfielders, but yes, it is a role that is more difficult to quantify relative to others.
with a very sweet opening pass diagonally over 1/3 the field from Thiago
to Kimmich. In to Mueller, toed back to Kimmich, then the cross and
goal. Doesn't happen without Thiago's insight and skill. It was like
this very often last season. He was a central part of our success.
The only stat that is relevant is pass percentage and turnovers.
He did score the go-ahead goal in extra-time in Bayern-Juve, 2016 CL quarterfinal. The actual existence of that match is disputed, though.
On 2020-09-18, Al Kamista <alkamista@hotmail.com> wrote:
Perfect reason why I don't think these stats are worth a squat forThiago must have played a lot of games together with Kimmich in
players in the #6 position. Example was the goal in the Final, started
with a very sweet opening pa
On Thursday, September 17, 2020 at 11:38:42 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:Apparently they don't need to generate funds first, and it's not Sarr either. Diego Jota to LFC for 41M pounds. Finally some quality cover for Salah and Mane.
On 2020-09-17 09:16, Al Kamista wrote:
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 1:06:35 PM UTC-4, Al Kamista wrote:
Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
Arthur Barca -> Juve
Pjanic Juve -> Barca
Rakitic Barca - > Sevilla
van Beek Ajax -> Man U
Ake B'mouth -> Man City
Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Doherty Wolves -> Spurs
I think he mostly eats into Wijnaldum, Keita, and Ox's time.Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?
and is it really that much of a gain ? I remain to be convinced butSky Sports put up a stat which showed that he trumped all of LFC's midfielders in the 3 areas of interceptions, recoveries, and dribbles. End product was less impressive, 3G and 0A in Bundesliga last season (2G 6A the season prior, which is much better). So improvement for sure, but a critical need? No. A quality forward was needed more. Sarr from Watford is rumored, but the club needs to generate funds from player sales first.
will be happy if my scepticism is unfounded.
Thiago must have played a lot of games together with Kimmich inWhen did this thing of calling the defensive midfielder a "number 6" begin? Back in the day when shirt numbers went from 1 to 11, most of the time number 6 went to the sweeper/central defender, while the midfielder typically would be number 4 (definitely in Italy, and to a large extent in England as well. In South America, of course, the enganche was number 5)
midfield. In those cases, which one do you consider the "6" and which
one the "8" ?
On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 1:02:18 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
Thiago must have played a lot of games together with Kimmich in
midfield. In those cases, which one do you consider the "6" and which
one the "8" ?
When did this thing of calling the defensive midfielde
Depends on the country. Germany usually had 4 as the Vorstopper and 5
as the Libero. Since I assume that is what Bruce is most versed in, I assumed by 6 he meant the most defensive of the midfield, with 8 being
box to box and 10 the playmaker ("Regisseur")
r a "number 6" begin? Back in the day when shirt numbers went from 1 to 11,
They still do for international for some teams, at least.
most of the time number 6 went to the sweeper/central defender, while
the midfielder typically would be number 4 (definitely in Italy, and to
a large extent in England as well.
Definitely true for England. 4 was the destroyer in midfield in
England, usually, with 5 and 6 being central defenders, though sweepers
were never all that fashionable. 10s were often Strikers in England.
On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 1:02:18 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:In Brasil it used to go more or less like this (think 4-3-3):
Thiago must have played a lot of games together with Kimmich in
midfield. In those cases, which one do you consider the "6" and which
one the "8" ?
When did this thing of calling the defensive midfielder a "number 6" begin? Back in the day when shirt numbers went from 1 to 11, most of the time
number 6 went to the sweeper/central defender, while the midfielder
typically would be number 4 (definitely in Italy, and to a large extent in England as well. In South America, of course, the enganche was number 5)
On 2020-09-19 15:12, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 1:02:18 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
Thiago must have played a lot of games together with Kimmich in
midfield. In those cases, which one do you consider the "6" and which
one the "8" ?
When did this thing of calling the defensive midfielde
Depends on the country. Germany usually had 4 as the Vorstopper and 5
as the Libero. Since I assume that is what Bruce is most versed in, I assumed by 6 he meant the most defensive of the midfield, with 8 being
box to box and 10 the playmaker ("Regisseur")
On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:56:56 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
Italy tended to have a very rigid numbering system from 7-11 as well, while England was much more liberal...well, other than number 9 being the centerforward
On 2020-09-19 18:23, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 7:56:56 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
Interestingly, Man City in that FA Cup Final also had a non-striker at number 9 (Steve McKenzie)Italy tended to have a very rigid numbering system from 7-11 as well, while England was much more liberal...well, other than number 9 being the centerforward
You can't even bank on that. I recall Tony Galvin always wearing
number 9 for Spurs despite playing wide on the left in a 4-4-2. I think Archibald and Crook were 8 and 11 respectively as the front two.
Eg. FA cup final 1981 (but pretty close to this in those years in UEFA
cup etc.
GK 1 England Milija Aleksic
LB 2 Republic of Ireland Chris Hughton
CB 3 England Paul Miller
CB 4 England Graham Roberts
RB 5 England Steve Perryman (c)
RM 6 Argentina Ricardo Villa Substituted off 68'
CM 7 Argentina Osvaldo Ardiles
CF 8 Scotland Steve Archibald
LM 9 Republic of Ireland Tony Galvin
CM 10 England Glenn Hoddle
CF 11 England Garth Crooks
On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 3:02:00 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:It's not a lot. The games are going to come fast, there'll be more rotation than usual. Also Ox will only be available about a third of the time.
On 2020-09-18, MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
On 2020-09-17 09:16, Al Kamista wrote:
Thiago Bayern -> Liverpool (yay!)
And Ox, and Milner, and a very talented youngster called Curtis Jones. That's 8 for 3 positions, which is a lot.Who is replaced ? Wijnaldum ? Henderson ?Liverpool has Henderson, Wijnaldum, Fabinho, Keita, and now Thiago for
and is it really that much of a gain ? I remain to be convinced but
will be happy if my scepticism is unfounded.
3 positions. Not that excessive for a big club.
Ox and Jones have played as part of the front 3, but never very effectively - the team seems rather staid when they do.
On 2020-09-18, Al Kamista <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Sky Sports put up a stat which showed that he trumped all of LFC's midfielders in the 3 areas of interceptions, recoveries, and dribbles.
End product was less impressive, 3G and 0A in Bundesliga last season
(2G 6A the season prior, which is much better). So improvement for
sure, but a critical need? No. A quality forward was needed more. Sarr from Watford is rumored, but the club needs to generate funds from
player sales first.
Perfect reason why I don't think these stats are worth a squat for
players in the #6 position. Example was the goal in the Final, started
with a very sweet opening pass diagonally over 1/3 the field from Thiago
to Kimmich. In to Mueller, toed back to Kimmich, then the cross and
goal. Doesn't happen without Thiago's insight and skill. It was like
this very often last season. He was a central part of our success.
The only stat that is relevant is pass percentage and turnovers. When
he did not do well, where you saw it was the turnovers, where in the
CL even one can cause a loss. But we always needed that type of player
in front of the defense, and he has not always had to be a scorer.
Some key ones, not exhaustive.The most valuable players still out of contract (according to Transfermarkt)
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
Arthur Barca -> Juve
Pjanic Juve -> Barca
Rakitic Barca - > Sevilla
van Beek Ajax -> Man U
Ake B'mouth -> Man City
Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Doherty Wolves -> Spurs
On Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:06:35 UTC+2, Al Kamista wrote:
Some key ones, not exhaustive.
Ziyech Ajax -> Chelsea
Werner RBL-> Chelsea
Havertz Leverkusen-> Chelsea (not final, but will be soon)
Thiago Silva PSG-> Chelsea
Arthur Barca -> Juve
Pjanic Juve -> Barca
Rakitic Barca - > Sevilla
van Beek Ajax -> Man U
Ake B'mouth -> Man City
Magalhaes Lille -> Arsenal
Doherty Wolves -> Spurs
The most valuable players still out of contract (according to Transfermarkt)
- Edinson Cavani (still holding out on Benfica)
- Mario G||tze (says he wants to stay in Europe)
- Nathaniel Clyne
- Daniel Sturridge (since March)
- Daler Kuzyayev (ex-Zenit)
- Jos|- Callej||n
- Kevin St||ger (was really good for D|+sseldorf)
- Mikel San Jos|-
- Ezequiel Garay
- Jordon Ibe
Three former Liverpool players on that list (four if you count San Jos|-).
Ciao,
Werner
Thiago must have played a lot of games together with Kimmich in
midfield. In those cases, which one do you consider the "6" and which
one the "8" ?
The role of both would be different in games when they are paired with Goretzka or Tolisso in the midfield two, I assume.
On Saturday, September 19, 2020 at 1:02:18 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
Thiago must have played a lot of games together with Kimmich in
midfield. In those cases, which one do you consider the "6" and which
one the "8" ?
When did this thing of calling the defensive midfielder a "number 6" begin?
[...]
I remember when some people used to shit on Alonso and Carrick for the
same reason.
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