On Saturday, 5 September 2020 17:58:41 UTC+2, HASM wrote:#2 and #3 against Northern Ireland, #4, #5 and #6 against Romania.
No Nations League threads?
No one cares about the new glorified friendlies?
What about the thrilling 1-0 victory of (post game ELO #183) Gibraltar
over (post game #209) San Marino? San Marino was going for their only
2nd win ever, maybe on the return match.
What about Mancini not starting Chiellini because he didn't have his reading glasses when he looked over the list?
We won quite convincingly in Norway despite Haaland getting his first of probably many goals in the NT.
How conservative is Lagerb|nck? He had Norway play like Iceland, despiteThat cost them terribly against Serbia.
the gulf in talent.
On Saturday, 5 September 2020 19:15:51 UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Saturday, 5 September 2020 17:58:41 UTC+2, HASM wrote:
No Nations League threads?
No one cares about the new glorified friendlies?
What about the thrilling 1-0 victory of (post game ELO #183) Gibraltar over (post game #209) San Marino? San Marino was going for their only 2nd win ever, maybe on the return match.
What about Mancini not starting Chiellini because he didn't have his reading glasses when he looked over the list?
We won quite convincingly in Norway despite Haaland getting his first of probably many goals in the NT.#2 and #3 against Northern Ireland, #4, #5 and #6 against Romania.
How conservative is Lagerb|nck? He had Norway play like Iceland, despite the gulf in talent.That cost them terribly against Serbia.
Ciao,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Werner
Well, the Germans not bothering waiting for the 90 the min to throw the game away. Getting it done early this time
ger 1 - 2 swi ht
On 2020-10-13, Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:I am streaming on UEFA TV and the sound is hollow and empty, like most football matches of the last 6 months.
Well, the Germans not bothering waiting for the 90 the min to throw the game away. Getting it done early this timeIs there a slightly oscilating tone on the broadcast, or is it just
ger 1 - 2 swi ht
me. It's getting more on my nerves than the German play.
On Tuesday, October 13, 2020 at 4:19:09 PM UTC-4, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On 2020-10-13, Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:I am streaming on UEFA TV and the sound is hollow and empty, like most football matches of the last 6 months.
Well, the Germans not bothering waiting for the 90 the min to throw the game away. Getting it done early this timeIs there a slightly oscilating tone on the broadcast, or is it just
ger 1 - 2 swi ht
me. It's getting more on my nerves than the German play.
Most pundits and the commentators will talk about the poor defending and I suppose that is true, but the biggest problems I see is the lack of talent in attack. The passing is terrible, Werner is not good enough to play for the NT, none of the attackers look good, barely putting 3 passes together. I mean come on, Toni Kross is Germany's top scorer at the moment. I will say the defenders are not very good at moving the ball out from the back.
I dont know if the Nmecha guy is the answer, but Germany need a good striker
lol, Spain lost to Ukrania, so this German team that can not put 3 passes together, still have a real chance to win the group.
On 2020-10-13, Binder Dundat <dundat@gmail.com> wrote:
lol, Spain lost to Ukrania, so this German team that can not put 3 passes together, still have a real chance to win the group.
Big result this round was England - Denmark 0-1 with another McGuire masterclass. With this, Denmark is very close to securing Pot 1 for
the WCQ draw.
With current seedings a Nordic-only group is possible.
As usual, a former Yugoslavia group is also possible
Croatia
Serbia
Bosnia-Herzegovina
Montenegro/Slovenia/North Macedonia
Kosovo
Big result this round was England - Denmark 0-1 with another McGuire masterclass.
Big result this round was England - Denmark 0-1 with another McGuire masterclass. With this, Denmark is very close to securing Pot 1 for
the WCQ draw.
With current seedings a Nordic-only group is possible.
Oh dear, it never ends, we are stuck with another international break, will these international breaks ever stop??? Seems like we had one just a few weeks ago, it is so bad that I saw some Scottish players crying about having to play this week! Oh the humanity!!!
Actually some interesting games today.
France v Portugal is probably a preview of the Euro 21 final. Spain and Germany are somehow still leading their group, though I get the feeling one or both might slip today. One thing that stood out for me in the line ups is that Spain have left "best keeper in the world deGea" and Kepa on the bench and are giving Unai Simon(?) his first cap.
Like Spain, Germany is sort of in a rebuild stage right now
Aufstellung
Neuer - R. Koch , S|+le , R|+diger - Ginter , Max , Goretzka , G|+ndogan , Gnabry , L. San|- - Werner
Pyatov - Konoplia , Zabarnyi , Matviienko , Sobol - Malinovskyi , Stepanenko , Zinchenko - Marlos , Yaremchuk , Zubkov--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Hungary looked impressive in their 1-0 win over Turkey on Thursday, even if Turkey did field a bit of an experimental team. Wonderful free kick goal from Dominik Szoboszlai, Hagi or Beckham would have been proud of that.
Based on what I saw I'd fancy Hungary to get through the playoffs and qualify for Euro 2020(1).
On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 11:35:17 AM UTC-4, Real Mardin wrote:
Hungary looked impressive in their 1-0 win over Turkey on Thursday, even if Turkey did field a bit of an experimental team. Wonderful free kick goal from Dominik Szoboszlai, Hagi or Beckham would have been proud of that.
Based on what I saw I'd fancy Hungary to get through the playoffs and qualify for Euro 2020(1).
RSS's collective mind sucked at predicting the playoffs, but this was a good call!
If anyone of you have had difficulties emotionally connecting with watching the bigger teams in empty stadiums I can warmly encourage you to watch Nations League D (and some of the smaller C team) matches, you may find them a breath of fresh air.OK, I am trying to see if this theory works. I was watching the wee Scots play Slovakia ( I think both qualified for Euro 20-1 in the midweek), now, I was watching this on a wee phone, so it is not the same. Actually, it is kind like playing an old hand held computer game, bunch of little un-distinguishable figures you canit control, chasing a small white ball like thing.
RM
Yesterday I watched some of San Marino - Gibraltar and Malta - Andorra. People used to laugh at me years ago when I used to say Sky Sports should broadcast qualifying matches other
than the Home Nations, now that we have 94 sports channels these matches involving amateur and part time players are broadcast live on a Saturday afternoon.
Yesterday I watched some of San Marino - Gibraltar and Malta - Andorra. People used to laugh at me years ago when I used to say Sky Sports should broadcast qualifying matches other
than the Home Nations, now that we have 94 sports channels these matches involving amateur and part time players are broadcast live on a Saturday afternoon.
I found these matches strangely watchable for the following reasons:
Here's one: https://streamja.com/ZJLVz
No Nations League threads?
On Saturday, September 5, 2020 at 11:58:41 AM UTC-4, HASM wrote:FT: Italy-Poland 2-0, Belgium-England 2-0.
No Nations League threads?Belgium up 2-0 over England, two long-range strikes (Tielemans and Mertens) Italy all over Poland in the first half, but so far only 1-0 through a Jorginho penalty.
On 2020-10-13, Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
lol, Spain lost to Ukrania, so this German team that can not put 3 passes together, still have a real chance to win the group.Big result this round was England - Denmark 0-1 with another McGuire masterclass. With this, Denmark is very close to securing Pot 1 for
the WCQ draw.
Except that we looked pathetic, could have been 8:1
On 6.9.2020. 1:37, vedran wrote:
Except that we looked pathetic, could have been 8:1
We have (at least) 10 players missing, 6 from defense, it might
get ugly again tomorrow, goal difference could decide who goes to
League B, only luck saves us from being in League B already.
On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 11:03:59 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
On 6.9.2020. 1:37, vedran wrote:
Except that we looked pathetic, could have been 8:1
We have (at least) 10 players missing, 6 from defense, it mightWhat happens if France-Sweden ends 3-3 and you guys hold the scoreless draw?
get ugly again tomorrow, goal difference could decide who goes to
League B, only luck saves us from being in League B already.
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 3:04:20 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:Right. Hadn't realised I was watching a live table.
On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 11:03:59 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
On 6.9.2020. 1:37, vedran wrote:
Except that we looked pathetic, could have been 8:1
We have (at least) 10 players missing, 6 from defense, it mightWhat happens if France-Sweden ends 3-3 and you guys hold the scoreless draw?
get ugly again tomorrow, goal difference could decide who goes to
League B, only luck saves us from being in League B already.
It would have to be 4-4, right?
What happens if France-Sweden ends 3-3 and you guys hold the scoreless draw?
Of all people Kovacic scored, but we look pretty bad behind,
don't think we'll endure.
Of all people Kovacic scored, but we look pretty bad behind,
don't think we'll endure.
On 17.11.2020. 21:04, Werner Pichler wrote:
What happens if France-Sweden ends 3-3 and you guys hold the scoreless draw?Didn't check and I haven't seen this option discussed, everyone
just wanted to keep it under 3 or 4 goals conceded given the circumstances...
Of all people Kovacic scored, but we look pretty bad behind,
don't think we'll endure.
What a miss by Juranovic, ex Hajduk player on his own turf.
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 3:18:47 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
Of all people Kovacic scored, but we look pretty bad behind,Elsewhere, Spain is doing a Belo Horizonte to Germany. 3-0 after 37 minutes.
don't think we'll endure.
On 17.11.2020. 21:23, vedran wrote:
What a miss by Juranovic, ex Hajduk player on his own turf.Stupid red card for Rog and that's probably it... 1:1 while
I'm writing.
On 17.11.2020. 21:23, vedran wrote:
What a miss by Juranovic, ex Hajduk player on his own turf.Stupid red card for Rog and that's probably it... 1:1 while
I'm writing.
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:53:29 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
On 17.11.2020. 21:23, vedran wrote:
What a miss by Juranovic, ex Hajduk player on his own turf.Stupid red card for Rog and that's probably it... 1:1 while
I'm writing.
You needn't have worried. Sweden look completely harmless.
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 3:25:45 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 3:18:47 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
5-0 after with 13 minutes to go. Still a chance...Of all people Kovacic scored, but we look pretty bad behind,Elsewhere, Spain is doing a Belo Horizonte to Germany. 3-0 after 37 minutes.
don't think we'll endure.
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:53:29 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
On 17.11.2020. 21:23, vedran wrote:
You needn't have worried. Sweden look completely harmless.What a miss by Juranovic, ex Hajduk player on his own turf.Stupid red card for Rog and that's probably it... 1:1 while
I'm writing.
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 4:22:55 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 3:25:45 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 3:18:47 PM UTC-5, vedran wrote:
The Germans wont even ask for a recount, cus it would be worse if they did. I guess this is the end of Jlow.5-0 after with 13 minutes to go. Still a chance...Of all people Kovacic scored, but we look pretty bad behind,Elsewhere, Spain is doing a Belo Horizonte to Germany. 3-0 after 37 minutes.
don't think we'll endure.
I'm tuning into the last five minutes of Gibraltar- Liechtenstein. Liechtenstein needs a win to win the group. 1-1 as we go into injury time. Gibraltar pulling out all the time-wasting tricks
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 4:35:05 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
I'm tuning into the last five minutes of Gibraltar- Liechtenstein. Liechtenstein needs a win to win the group. 1-1 as we go into injury time. Gibraltar pulling out all the time-wasting tricksGibraltar hangs on and is promoted to League C. Mad celebrations on the pitch. :-)
You needn't have worried. Sweden look completely harmless.
I apologize.
It's crazy we endured with a player down, 2 goals by most unlikely
scorer. It would be fair if Sweden remained as well, they were better
in our matches.
It's crazy we endured with a player down, 2 goals by most
unlikely scorer. It would be fair if Sweden remained as well,
they were better in our matches.
vedran avait ononco :
It's crazy we endured with a player down, 2 goals by most unlikely
scorer. It would be fair if Sweden remained as well,
they were better in our matches.
Viewed from France's matches, Croatia is far better than Sweden.
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 10:25:49 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:53:29 PM UTC+1, vedran wrote:
On 17.11.2020. 21:23, vedran wrote:
What a miss by Juranovic, ex Hajduk player on his own turf.Stupid red card for Rog and that's probably it... 1:1 while
I'm writing.
You needn't have worried. Sweden look completely harmless.
I apologize.
On 17.11.2020. 22:52, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
vedran avait ononco :
It's crazy we endured with a player down, 2 goals by most
unlikely scorer. It would be fair if Sweden remained as
well,
they were better in our matches.
Viewed from France's matches, Croatia is far better than
Sweden.
Yes, we played much better against you than against Sweden,
as usual the best against the best.
Quoting Werner Pichler in rec.sport.soccer:
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 10:25:49 PM UTC+1, Werner
Pichler wrote:
On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:53:29 PM UTC+1, vedran
wrote:
On 17.11.2020. 21:23, vedran wrote:
What a miss by Juranovic, ex Hajduk player on his ownStupid red card for Rog and that's probably it... 1:1
turf.
while I'm writing.
You needn't have worried. Sweden look completely harmless.
I apologize.
Still, with everyone in the French box, including Olsen.
15 seconds left.
Freekick from a decent crossing distance.
Our new star at the helm.
Headlines ready in the big papers: "The Miracle In
Saint-Denis!".
And...
Worst so far freekick this century.
:-/
dividends. Kolarov got sent off early in the second half, the game was then near enough played in
So if I understand correctly, UEFA has awarded Roumania the 3 points from the non game vs Norway, which if it stands is sort of good for Austria. All Austria needs is a draw to win the group, what can possibly go
wrong? Are the Norwegian players out of Quarantine?
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 8:33:29 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
So if I understand correctly, UEFA has awarded Roumania the 3 points from the non game vs Norway, which if it stands is sort of good for Austria. All Austria needs is a draw to win the group, what can possibly goNo. They play with a bunch of players who are based outside of Norway but have (almost) never been called up so far. There are more of those than one might have thought.
wrong? Are the Norwegian players out of Quarantine?
Banana skin if there ever was one.
Ciao,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Werner
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 8:33:29 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
So if I understand correctly, UEFA has awarded Roumania the 3 points from the non game vs Norway, which if it stands is sort of good for Austria. All Austria needs is a draw to win the group, what can possibly goNo. They play with a bunch of players who are based outside of Norway but have (almost) never been called up so far. There are more of those than one might have thought.
wrong? Are the Norwegian players out of Quarantine?
Banana skin if there ever was one.
Ciao,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Werner
Flemish bastards are already up 2-0, so that game is done.
On 18.11.2020. 20:57, Binder Dundat wrote:Oh, thought I saw 2-0 on the kicker site, but good for the Danes, they need to win though.
Flemish bastards are already up 2-0, so that game is done.It's 1:1, Denmark scored.
And Radonjic made group very interesting now.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
I just read that Denmark's last 41 international matches since October 2016 (without counting the non-league team fielded against Slovakia) are 22-18-1, with the sole loss coming against
Belgium earlier this year.
That's a pretty insane stat, and certainly flew under my radar.
Austria 0 0 Norway HT--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Great tactics by Norway, they should quarantine their whole squad more often.
Belgium 1 1 Denmark HT
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0 1 Italy HT
Czech Republic 1 0 Slovakia HT
England 2 0 Iceland HT
Greece 0 0 Slovenia HT
Hungary 0 0 Turkey HT
Israel 1 0 Scotland HT
Kosovo 1 0 Moldova HT
Northern Ireland 0 0 Romania HT
Poland 1 0 Netherlands HT
Republic of Ireland 0 0 Bulgaria HT
Serbia 4 0 Russia HT
Wow, Russia pulling a Germany? Good result for Hungaria
Wales 1 0 Finland HT
Teemu really will have to do it himself, Finalnd received a red card in the 12 min
On 2020-11-16, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
I just read that Denmark's last 41 international matches since October 2016 (without counting the non-league team fielded against Slovakia) are 22-18-1, with the sole loss coming against
Belgium earlier this year.
A key number here is that 18. There has been sooo many drab draws
against poor opponents.
That's a pretty insane stat, and certainly flew under my radar.
My be one of those Austrian radars.
On 18.11.2020. 20:57, Binder Dundat wrote:
Flemish bastards are already up 2-0, so that game is done.
It's 1:1, Denmark scored.
And Radonjic made group very interesting now.
oh my, the eleven guys they called from the Norwegian embassy are actually leading 1-0.
If we have learned anything from the Nations league, it is you do not want to go into a game only needing a draw.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:47:16 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
Austria 0 0 Norway HT
Great tactics by Norway, they should quarantine their whole squad more often.
Belgium 1 1 Denmark HT
Bosnia and Herzegovina 0 1 Italy HT
Czech Republic 1 0 Slovakia HT
England 2 0 Iceland HT
Greece 0 0 Slovenia HT
Hungary 0 0 Turkey HT
Israel 1 0 Scotland HT
Kosovo 1 0 Moldova HT
Northern Ireland 0 0 Romania HT
Poland 1 0 Netherlands HT
Republic of Ireland 0 0 Bulgaria HT
Serbia 4 0 Russia HT
Wow, Russia pulling a Germany? Good result for Hungaria
Wales 1 0 Finland HT
Teemu really will have to do it himself, Finalnd received a red card in the 12 min
Final FourItaly (hosts) / Belgium / France / Spain
Relegation play-outsCyprus v Estonia / Moldova v Kazakhstan
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 4:06:35 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
oh my, the eleven guys they called from the Norwegian embassy are actually leading 1-0.Austria still would have won the group losing 1-0, but managed to get a 1-1 draw with the Norwegian Embassy staff. So Austria, Hungaria, Czech and Wales get promotion
Verdicts
Final FourItaly (hosts) / Belgium / France / Spain
Stay in A
Netherlands / Denmark / Portugal / Germany
Poland / England / Croatia / Switzerland*
A -> B
Bosnia-Herzegovina / Iceland / Sweden / Ukraine*
B -> A
Austria / Czech Rep/Hungary/Wales
Stay in B
Norway / Scotland / Russia / Finland
Romania / Israel / Serbia / Ireland
B -> C
Northern Ireland / Slovakia / Turkey / Bulgaria
C -> B
Montenegro / Armenia / Slovenia / Albania
Stay in C
Luxembourg / Northern Macedonia / Greece / Belarus
Azerbaijan / Georgia / Kosovo / Lithuania
Relegation play-outsCyprus v Estonia / Moldova v Kazakhstan
D -> C
Faroe Islands / Gibraltar
Stay in D
Malta / Liechtenstein
Latvia / Andorra / San Marino
The top 2 group winners that don't finish in the top 2 of their World Cup qualifying groups will get a bye into the play-offs in March 2022.
Current ranking:
France (Pot 1)
Belgium (Pot 1)
Italy (Pot 1)
Spain (Pot 1)
Wales (Pot 2)
Austria (Pot 2)
Czech Republic (Pot 2)
Hungary (Pot 2)
Slovenia (Pot 3)
Montenegro (Pot 3)
Albania (Pot 3)
Armenia (Pot 4)
Gibraltar (Pot 5)
Faroe Islands (Pot 5)
If everything in the groups shapes up according to paper, Slovenia and Montenegro are first in line to get the two additional spots.
Ciao,
Werner
The top 2 group winners that don't finish in the top 2 of their World Cup qualifying groups will get a bye into the play-offs in March 2022.
Current ranking:Correction: Pot 3
France (Pot 1)
Belgium (Pot 1)
Italy (Pot 1)
Spain (Pot 1)
Wales (Pot 2)
Austria (Pot 2)
Czech Republic (Pot 2)
Hungary (Pot 2)Pot 3
Slovenia (Pot 3)Pot 4
Montenegro (Pot 3)Pot 4
Albania (Pot 3)Pot 4
Armenia (Pot 4)Pot 5
Gibraltar (Pot 5)Pot 6
Faroe Islands (Pot 5)still Pot 5
If everything in the groups shapes up according to paper, Slovenia and Montenegro are first in line to get the two additional spots.
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:05:57 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
The top 2 group winners that don't finish in the top 2 of their World Cup qualifying groups will get a bye into the play-offs in March 2022.
Made a couple of mistakes there below Austria. Must have lost focus.
Current ranking:Correction: Pot 3
France (Pot 1)
Belgium (Pot 1)
Italy (Pot 1)
Spain (Pot 1)
Wales (Pot 2)
Austria (Pot 2)
Czech Republic (Pot 2)
Hungary (Pot 2)Pot 3
Slovenia (Pot 3)Pot 4
Montenegro (Pot 3)Pot 4
Albania (Pot 3)Pot 4
Armenia (Pot 4)Pot 5
Gibraltar (Pot 5)Pot 6
Faroe Islands (Pot 5)still Pot 5
If everything in the groups shapes up according to paper, Slovenia and Montenegro are first in line to get the two additional spots.
So it's actually the Czech Republic and Hungary who are in the Pole Position.
Ciao,
Werner
Weird night, Serbia getting their first ever win over Russia and surviving the group, at the same time Djokovic lost to Medvedev.
On 2020-11-18 17:45, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:05:57 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
The top 2 group winners that don't finish in the top 2 of their World Cup qualifying groups will get a bye into the play-offs in March 2022.
Made a couple of mistakes there below Austria. Must have lost focus.
Current ranking:Correction: Pot 3
France (Pot 1)
Belgium (Pot 1)
Italy (Pot 1)
Spain (Pot 1)
Wales (Pot 2)
Austria (Pot 2)
Czech Republic (Pot 2)
Hungary (Pot 2)Pot 3
Slovenia (Pot 3)Pot 4
Montenegro (Pot 3)Pot 4
Albania (Pot 3)Pot 4
Armenia (Pot 4)Pot 5
Gibraltar (Pot 5)Pot 6
Faroe Islands (Pot 5)still Pot 5
If everything in the groups shapes up according to paper, Slovenia and Montenegro are first in line to get the two additional spots.
So it's actually the Czech Republic and Hungary who are in the Pole Position.This is based on your best guess of the FIFA rankings ?
They are using the one at the end of November for seeding, right ?
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 4:36:34 AM UTC+1, MH wrote:
They are using the one at the end of November for seeding, right ?
Yes, and the only match left that hasn't been officially resolved yet (SUI-UKR) won't
make a difference.
These are the Pots:
Pot 1
Belgium 1777
France 1755
England 1670
Portugal 1662
Spain 1645
Italy 1625
Croatia 1617
Denmark 1616
Germany 1610
Netherlands 1609
------
Pot 2
Switzerland 1586 (with 3-0 forfeit win against Ukraine 1593)
Wales 1562
Poland 1559
Sweden 1558
Austria 1531
Ukraine 1528 (with 0-3 forfeit loss against Switzerland 1521)
Serbia 1495
Turkey 1487
Slovakia 1478
Romania 1466
------
Pot 3
Russia 1461 (the heavy loss against Serbia was crucial)
Hungary 1460
Ireland 1456
Czech Republic 1456
Norway 1450
Northern Ireland 1440
Iceland 1438
Scotland 1436
Greece 1413 (lucky that both Finland and Bosnia lost)
Finland 1411
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Pot 4
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1410
Slovenia 1379
Montenegro 1370
North Macedonia 1362
Albania 1360
Bulgaria 1350
Israel 1279
Belarus 1269
Georgia 1267
Luxembourg 1235
------
Pot 5
Armenia 1233
Cyprus 1224
Faroe Islands 1183
Azerbaijan 1180
Estonia 1180
Kosovo 1155
Kazakhstan 1142
Lithuania 1114
Latvia 1082
Andorra 1048
------
Pot 6
Malta 951
Moldovo 950
Liechtenstein 924
Gibraltar 888
San Marino 810
10 groups - 10 group winners qualify to Qatar, 10 runners-up + 2 Nations League group winners go into
play-offs (three groups of four) to decide the three remaining spots in two play-off rounds
On 2020-11-18 15:05, Werner Pichler wrote:
Verdicts
I am not making any predictions. Italy with the edge from being at home,Final FourItaly (hosts) / Belgium / France / Spain
I guess.
Stay in AWas CH game vs Ukraine awarded 3-0 to CH ?
Netherlands / Denmark / Portugal / Germany
Poland / England / Croatia / Switzerland*
A -> B
Bosnia-Herzegovina / Iceland / Sweden / Ukraine*
No surprises there, really.
B -> A
Austria / Czech Rep/Hungary/Wales
Stay in BScotland would have been extremely lucky to have qualified given that
Norway / Scotland / Russia / Finland
Romania / Israel / Serbia / Ireland
one of the wins against the Czechs was against a complete B team.
B -> C
Northern Ireland / Slovakia / Turkey / Bulgaria
Pretty surprised to see Slovakia and Turkey go down. Hard to believe
they won't come back up at first time of asking, given the opposition in C.
C -> B
Montenegro / Armenia / Slovenia / Albania
Stay in C
Luxembourg / Northern Macedonia / Greece / Belarus
Azerbaijan / Georgia / Kosovo / Lithuania
Relegation play-outsCyprus v Estonia / Moldova v Kazakhstan
Cyprus ought to win. Other one I really have no idea
Pretty surprised to see Slovakia and Turkey go down. Hard to believe
they won't come back up at first time of asking, given the opposition in C.
On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 4:36:34 AM UTC+1, MH wrote:
On 2020-11-18 17:45, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:05:57 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
The top 2 group winners that don't finish in the top 2 of their World Cup qualifying groups will get a bye into the play-offs in March 2022.
Made a couple of mistakes there below Austria. Must have lost focus.
Current ranking:Correction: Pot 3
France (Pot 1)
Belgium (Pot 1)
Italy (Pot 1)
Spain (Pot 1)
Wales (Pot 2)
Austria (Pot 2)
Czech Republic (Pot 2)
Hungary (Pot 2)Pot 3
Slovenia (Pot 3)Pot 4
Montenegro (Pot 3)Pot 4
Albania (Pot 3)Pot 4
Armenia (Pot 4)Pot 5
Gibraltar (Pot 5)Pot 6
Faroe Islands (Pot 5)still Pot 5
If everything in the groups shapes up according to paper, Slovenia and Montenegro are first in line to get the two additional spots.
It's not a guess but calculable.So it's actually the Czech Republic and Hungary who are in the Pole Position.This is based on your best guess of the FIFA rankings ?
They are using the one at the end of November for seeding, right ?Yes, and the only match left that hasn't been officially resolved yet (SUI-UKR) won't
make a difference.
These are the Pots:
Pot 1
Belgium 1777
France 1755
England 1670
Portugal 1662
Spain 1645
Italy 1625
Croatia 1617
Denmark 1616
Germany 1610
Netherlands 1609
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Pot 2
Switzerland 1586 (with 3-0 forfeit win against Ukraine 1593)
Wales 1562
Poland 1559
Sweden 1558
Austria 1531
Ukraine 1528 (with 0-3 forfeit loss against Switzerland 1521)
Serbia 1495
Turkey 1487
Slovakia 1478
Romania 1466
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Pot 3
Russia 1461 (the heavy loss against Serbia was crucial)
Hungary 1460
Ireland 1456
Czech Republic 1456
Norway 1450
Northern Ireland 1440
Iceland 1438
Scotland 1436
Greece 1413 (lucky that both Finland and Bosnia lost)
Finland 1411
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Pot 4
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1410
Slovenia 1379
Montenegro 1370
North Macedonia 1362
Albania 1360
Bulgaria 1350
Israel 1279
Belarus 1269
Georgia 1267
Luxembourg 1235
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Pot 5
Armenia 1233
Cyprus 1224
Faroe Islands 1183
Azerbaijan 1180
Estonia 1180
Kosovo 1155
Kazakhstan 1142
Lithuania 1114
Latvia 1082
Andorra 1048
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Pot 6
Malta 951
Moldovo 950
Liechtenstein 924
Gibraltar 888
San Marino 810
10 groups - 10 group winners qualify to Qatar, 10 runners-up + 2 Nations League group winners go into
play-offs (three groups of four) to decide the three remaining spots in two play-off rounds
Ciao,Impressive how much strength in depth UEFA has these days. There are some decent sides even in pots 3 and 4. Portugal, Switzerland, Russia and Bosnia could be in a group together. Or Croatia, Sweden, Hungary and Slovenia. Those would be hard groups to call.
Werner
On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:08:37 PM UTC, MH wrote:
Pretty surprised to see Slovakia and Turkey go down. Hard to believeIf Turkey had won they would have been promoted to A, if they drew they would have stayed in B and as we know defeat saw them relegated to C. Pretty fickle.
they won't come back up at first time of asking, given the opposition in C.
Still, it seems to me there is a strategic benefit to being in a lower league in that you have a better chance of winning the group and thus earning the lifeline of a European Championship qualifying playoff.
Impressive how much strength in depth UEFA has these days. There are some decent sides even in pots 3 and 4. Portugal, Switzerland, Russia and Bosnia could be in a group together. Or Croatia, Sweden,
Hungary and Slovenia. Those would be hard groups to call.
And now the big deal in the news today is Zverev, who won his match and it
is now either him or Djoko to make the semifinal. Both are beatable, but very strong on their night. Still, advantage Djoko (unless there is an injury).
Novak even got a question about it on the press conference after the match. Good thing he won, weekend will be much more interesting.
and is a favourite to win the whole thing. Him and Nadal in the Final?
I don't know, seems like a toss up, especially if you look at recent Djokovic-Thiem matches
and if Medvedev beat Djokovic, he can certainly beat Nadal.
Rafa still doesn't have this title and Novak could tie Roger's 6 titles.
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