• Fantasy Scout - Chat thread, October 2020

    From milivella@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Oct 6 15:00:38 2020
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    - Douglas Costa to Bayern
    - Klaassen to Ajax
    - Walcott to Southampton (!)

    Transfer Deadline Day was Back to the Roots Day for my players.

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    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Oct 6 11:09:01 2020
    On 2020-10-06 07:00, milivella wrote:
    [The rules of this thread are simple: write what you want, reply if you want, ignore if you have to.]

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    - Douglas Costa to Bayern
    - Klaassen to Ajax
    - Walcott to Southampton (!)

    Transfer Deadline Day was Back to the Roots Day for my players.

    Nice to see Ross Barkley, of whom I still have hopes, move to a team
    that will value him, and play very well on his debut.

    On the other hand I was surprised Giroud, Javi Martinez, |uzil and a few others were not moved on, loaned out, or whatever.

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    milivella
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Oct 7 13:50:21 2020
    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 1:09:09 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:

    Nice to see Ross Barkley, of whom I still have hopes, move to a team
    that will value him, and play very well on his debut.

    OK, what are we going to do about Giroud? The guy barely gets any playing time at club level, but he keeps on accumulating caps and goals. I guess he's well rested. Diabolical MH...
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Oct 7 13:59:22 2020
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 4:50:25 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 1:09:09 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:

    Nice to see Ross Barkley, of whom I still have hopes, move to a team
    that will value him, and play very well on his debut.

    OK, what are we going to do about Giroud? The guy barely gets any playing time at club level, but he keeps on accumulating caps and goals. I guess he's well rested. Diabolical MH...
    With the three points he earned today, he has now overtaken Thomas Mueller for the second place overall in total number of pojnts by FS picks (behind Neymar). How is that fair? One is a regular starter and arguably one of the one or two most important players on the best team in Europe, the other spends most of his time shopping in West London...
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Oct 7 17:45:08 2020
    On 2020-10-07 14:59, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 4:50:25 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 1:09:09 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:

    Nice to see Ross Barkley, of whom I still have hopes, move to a team
    that will value him, and play very well on his debut.

    OK, what are we going to do about Giroud? The guy barely gets any playing time at club level, but he keeps on accumulating caps and goals. I guess he's well rested. Diabolical MH...

    With the three points he earned today, he has now overtaken Thomas Mueller for the second place overall in total number of pojnts by FS picks (behind Neymar). How is that fair? One is a regular starter and arguably one of the one or two most important players on the best team in Europe, the other spends most of his time shopping in West London...


    Nobody says it is fair. But I am happy he got the two goals today to
    move him past Platini in France's all time list (on which he is now
    number 2). On ESPNFC Stuart Robson, like so many other pundits, was
    running him down again today. Sure he has his limitations, but he has
    his strengths too. And Deschamps, conservative by nature, seems to
    value those. Giroud's goals per game are actually a smidgen better
    than Thierry Henry's after today. Is there another comparable player
    (lots of caps in spite of constant criticism; regular goals) anywhere ? Perhaps someone like Podolksi? Lukaku ?

    So Maignan got his first cap today, and Lenglet, Tolisso, and Digne were
    on the field (goal for Tolisso), so France did me proud. Germany not so
    good, but a start for Koch and a sub appearance for Stark, as well as a
    huge surprise recall and start for Benjanin Henrichs. Very experimental
    lineup - Klostermann on the bench and Goretzka not even in the squad. Presumably the team will change a lot for the meaningful games.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Oct 7 17:42:31 2020
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 7:45:13 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
    On 2020-10-07 14:59, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Nobody says it is fair.

    I blame milivella for his stupid scoring system.
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Oct 7 21:12:47 2020
    On 2020-10-07 18:42, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 7:45:13 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
    On 2020-10-07 14:59, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Nobody says it is fair.

    I blame milivella for his stupid scoring system.

    You preferred averages ? (cycle 1).
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 8 04:09:57 2020
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 11:12:50 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
    On 2020-10-07 18:42, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 7:45:13 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
    On 2020-10-07 14:59, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Nobody says it is fair.

    I blame milivella for his stupid scoring system.

    You preferred averages ? (cycle 1).

    How about NT(caps+goals) + UCL(caps+goals)?[*]

    OG: 100+42 + (33+12) = 142 + 45 = 187
    TM: 100+38 + (115+46) = 138 + 161 = 299


    [*] A totally random choice that was not affected by first looking at the numbers and figuring out what would make Mueller stand out the most over Giroud...
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 8 10:48:40 2020
    On 2020-10-08 05:09, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 11:12:50 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
    On 2020-10-07 18:42, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 7:45:13 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:
    On 2020-10-07 14:59, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Nobody says it is fair.

    I blame milivella for his stupid scoring system.

    You preferred averages ? (cycle 1).

    How about NT(caps+goals) + UCL(caps+goals)?[*]

    OG: 100+42 + (33+12) = 142 + 45 = 187
    TM: 100+38 + (115+46) = 138 + 161 = 299

    I think that scoring system is a wee bit flawed. It does not account
    for players who stay loyal to Europa league or lower level teams, or
    those Brazilians, Argentines, and Columbians who choose not to move to European leagues. Plus at some time in the future, the extra teams
    might include Mexico, or heaven forbid, the US.




    [*] A totally random choice that was not affected by first looking at the numbers and figuring out what would make Mueller stand out the most over Giroud...

    Of course.



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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 8 10:09:12 2020
    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 12:48:46 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:

    How about NT(caps+goals) + UCL(caps+goals)?[*]

    OG: 100+42 + (33+12) = 142 + 45 = 187
    TM: 100+38 + (115+46) = 138 + 161 = 299

    I think that scoring system is a wee bit flawed. It does not account
    for players who stay loyal to Europa league or lower level teams,

    I think you misspelled "players who are not good enough to hold a starting spot at the upper echelons of the club game"


    or
    those Brazilians, Argentines, and Columbians who choose not to move to European leagues. Plus at some time in the future, the extra teams
    might include Mexico, or heaven forbid, the US.

    Actually, I think that at some point (very early on) we did consider adding UCL caps and goals to the scoring system. We scrapped the idea because:
    a) It would have been too cumbersome to keep track of players' UCL goals.
    b) Under the original idea of a single game that goes on in perpetuity, we wanted to allow the possibility that at some point the Champions League would lose its hegemony to upstart leagues in other parts of the world.

    But both objections are not really relevant today:
    a) TransferMarkt and other sites keep excellent track of matches and goals by competition (something that we actually use to calculate our predicted scores).
    b) Under the cycle system, we don't really need the UCL to be the most prestigious league in the world forever; only for the next 15 or so years...


    [*] A totally random choice that was not affected by first looking at the numbers and figuring out what would make Mueller stand out the most over Giroud...

    Of course.


    I am glad that you appreciate my honesty.
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 8 12:00:31 2020
    On Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:09:15 UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 12:48:46 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:

    How about NT(caps+goals) + UCL(caps+goals)?[*]

    OG: 100+42 + (33+12) = 142 + 45 = 187
    TM: 100+38 + (115+46) = 138 + 161 = 299

    I think that scoring system is a wee bit flawed. It does not account
    for players who stay loyal to Europa league or lower level teams,

    I think you misspelled "players who are not good enough to hold a starting spot at the upper echelons of the club game"


    or
    those Brazilians, Argentines, and Columbians who choose not to move to European leagues. Plus at some time in the future, the extra teams
    might include Mexico, or heaven forbid, the US.

    Actually, I think that at some point (very early on) we did consider adding UCL caps and goals to the scoring system. We scrapped the idea because:
    a) It would have been too cumbersome to keep track of players' UCL goals.
    b) Under the original idea of a single game that goes on in perpetuity, we wanted to allow the possibility that at some point the Champions League would lose its hegemony to upstart leagues in other parts of the world.

    But both objections are not really relevant today:
    a) TransferMarkt and other sites keep excellent track of matches and goals by competition (something that we actually use to calculate our predicted scores).
    b) Under the cycle system, we don't really need the UCL to be the most prestigious league in the world forever; only for the next 15 or so years...
    If you just counted UCL matches and goals, wouldn't it be a radically different but not necessarily worse game? At least you'd be able to do away with the restriction of nationalities, and avoid the problems you had when you added Belgium...
    And the winner could be a shrewd scout who'd by chance seen a slightly awkward gangly youth lighting it up for Znicz Pruszk||w and taken a gamble...
    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 8 12:06:56 2020
    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 3:00:33 PM UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, 8 October 2020 19:09:15 UTC+2, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 12:48:46 PM UTC-4, MH wrote:

    How about NT(caps+goals) + UCL(caps+goals)?[*]

    OG: 100+42 + (33+12) = 142 + 45 = 187
    TM: 100+38 + (115+46) = 138 + 161 = 299

    I think that scoring system is a wee bit flawed. It does not account for players who stay loyal to Europa league or lower level teams,

    I think you misspelled "players who are not good enough to hold a starting spot at the upper echelons of the club game"


    or
    those Brazilians, Argentines, and Columbians who choose not to move to European leagues. Plus at some time in the future, the extra teams might include Mexico, or heaven forbid, the US.

    Actually, I think that at some point (very early on) we did consider adding UCL caps and goals to the scoring system. We scrapped the idea because:
    a) It would have been too cumbersome to keep track of players' UCL goals. b) Under the original idea of a single game that goes on in perpetuity, we wanted to allow the possibility that at some point the Champions League would
    lose its hegemony to upstart leagues in other parts of the world.

    But both objections are not really relevant today:
    a) TransferMarkt and other sites keep excellent track of matches and goals by
    competition (something that we actually use to calculate our predicted scores).
    b) Under the cycle system, we don't really need the UCL to be the most prestigious league in the world forever; only for the next 15 or so years...

    If you just counted UCL matches and goals, wouldn't it be a radically different
    but not necessarily worse game? At least you'd be able to do away with the restriction of nationalities, and avoid the problems you had when you added Belgium...

    And the winner could be a shrewd scout who'd by chance seen a slightly awkward
    gangly youth lighting it up for Znicz Pruszk||w and taken a gamble...

    Or some tall blond kid in Molde...
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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Dec 6 11:33:56 2020
    Ekstraklasse from Werner: https://streamable.com/5r081b
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