• Tobin Heath's transfer to Louisville

    From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 17 00:58:12 2020
    I have no idea what an expansion draft is. How and why have Portland Thorns allowed a team that's only just come into existence take Tobin Heath away from them? How much financial compensation do Portland get? Why would Tobin Heath want to play for Louisville?
    Can I form a new women's football club and, before we've even won a single match never mind any trophies, sign Sara Dabritz?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bruce Scott@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 17 12:46:58 2020
    On 2020-11-17, Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    I have no idea what an expansion draft is. [...]

    Common in US sports. I don't know the details that decide which players
    are eligible. IIRC each team has to put one or few on the block.

    Maybe Portland wants to move to younger players...

    --
    ciao, Bruce
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 17 10:16:08 2020
    On 2020-11-17 05:46, Bruce Scott wrote:
    On 2020-11-17, Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    I have no idea what an expansion draft is. [...]

    Common in US sports. I don't know the details that decide which players
    are eligible. IIRC each team has to put one or few on the block.

    Maybe Portland wants to move to younger players...

    Yeah, very common in North American sports. Drafts in general happen
    regularly (Mexican league also has a kind of draft), but when a league
    expands by granting a franchise to a new ownership group in a given
    city, the model is to give this group access to some established
    players through an expansion draft. Exact model varies from sport to
    sport and year to year, even, and I am most familiar with hockey, so
    things could be significantly different in other sports.

    When there is an expansion draft, each existing team is allowed to
    protect a certain number of players on its current roster from the draft
    (say 1 goalie, 5 defenders, 10 forwards in hockey - as I say it is a bit different every time). All other players can be claimed by the new team
    or teams, with certain players being exempt (below a certain age or
    experience level I think ) and not having to be protected. There is
    usually a stipulation that each established team can only lose X players
    to the draft - the value of X depends on how many new teams are drafting
    and other factors. Sometimes X is broken down into the positions of the players. So the expansion team(s) go through the list of established
    players and take turns picking any unprotected players they might want.

    Anyway, teams will "expose" players with higher salaries, or who are in
    their twilight years, or who are close to the end of a contract and
    unlikely to resign. It becomes a bit of a game of chicken, and
    sometimes general managers will trade away a player so as not to have to expose them in the draft (incoming player could be in a different
    position, or not eligible to be drafted, or could actually only be draft choices in a future annual draft).

    Some teams (eg. Las Vegas Golden Knights not long ago) can do extremely
    well out of expansion drafts and become highly competitive in their
    first year. Others take ages to get up to speed in spite of this
    initial draft.

    There is also something called a dispersal draft when a team goes belly
    up. The remaining teams take turns (usually starting with the one with
    the worst record) picking over the assets of the dismantled team.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bruce Scott@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 17 18:28:21 2020
    On 2020-11-17, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

    [good summary snipped]

    Some teams (eg. Las Vegas Golden Knights not long ago) can do extremely
    well out of expansion drafts and become highly competitive in their
    first year. Others take ages to get up to speed in spite of this
    initial draft.

    IIRC the Florida Marlins also did well with this when they started in
    an MLB expansion...

    There is also something called a dispersal draft when a team goes belly
    up. The remaining teams take turns (usually starting with the one with
    the worst record) picking over the assets of the dismantled team.

    Haven't heard of this in a long time, but as you know the early years of the NHL also involved some of this.

    --
    ciao, Bruce
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 17 11:42:05 2020
    On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:28:28 PM UTC+1, Bruce Scott wrote:
    On 2020-11-17, MH <MHno...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

    [good summary snipped]
    Some teams (eg. Las Vegas Golden Knights not long ago) can do extremely well out of expansion drafts and become highly competitive in their
    first year. Others take ages to get up to speed in spite of this
    initial draft.

    IIRC the Florida Marlins also did well with this when they started in
    an MLB expansion...

    Arizona Diamondbacks did even better.

    In the NHL, the Florida Panthers also got to the Stanley Cup finals within three seasons.

    I don't know what might be behind an expansion team's success in baseball,
    but in hockey it could be down to the fact that other things being equal, a hot goalie can already take you a long way. Vegas had Fleury, Florida had Vanbiesbrouck.

    There is also something called a dispersal draft when a team goes belly up. The remaining teams take turns (usually starting with the one with
    the worst record) picking over the assets of the dismantled team.

    Haven't heard of this in a long time, but as you know the early years of the NHL also involved some of this.

    The MLS has had its fair share of those.

    Ciao,
    Werner
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bruce Scott@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Nov 18 11:41:57 2020
    On 2020-11-17, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don't know what might be behind an expansion team's success in
    baseball, but in hockey it could be down to the fact that other things
    being equal, a hot goalie can already take you a long way. Vegas had
    Fleury, Florida had Vanbiesbrouck.

    In baseball it can be a Cy Young pitcher. Florida got Livan Hernandez.
    Ariona got Randy Johnson.

    --
    ciao, Bruce
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)