• (R/T) Conmebol WCQ'2022, Round 11

    From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Oct 10 20:17:48 2021
    Today, we had wins for the bottom three sides, while the ones in the
    3rd to 7th range all added up to a grand total of ONE point (Colombia
    drawing at home). Argentina played excellent football again and got
    a dominant win in the derby, while Brasil sees their winning streak
    broken, but remains unbeaten. These two are way ahead of the pack in
    the table and it doesn't seem like they'll have any bumps in the road
    to Qatar.
    This was the last of the Covid-postponed rounds, would have been Round
    5 in the original schedule. Now, the only rescheduled match still pending
    is Brasil-Argentina, to this day still in FIFA's hands.
    Bolivia 1-0 Peru
    Hard-fought and deserved victory for Bolivia at Estadio Hernando Siles,
    in La Paz. Bolivia came out to play, as they do at home, while Peru
    approached the game cautiously, trying to save fuel for the second half
    due to the altitude. It usually doesn't work, and again it didn't. Peru
    was eventually incisive whenever they came out of their shell, but it
    didn't happen often enough and Lampe again was at it when they did.
    Bolivia had a player sent off on the 76th minute, but five minutes later
    a recently subbed in Ramiro Vaca scored their winner.
    Media here says it's Bolivia's first win over Peru in 13 years. That
    may be technically correct, but it is only so because in the last WCQ
    cycle, Bolivia's 2-0 home win over Peru was overturned and awarded 0-3
    to the visitors, due to the hosts fielding an inelegible player. Both
    sides stay where they previously were in the qualifying table.
    Venezuela 2-1 Ecuador
    Good win by Venezuela at Estadio Olimpico de la UCV, in Caracas. Ecuador
    were not up to their high standing in the table and collected yet another
    away loss. Ecuador scored first, on a VAR-assisted penalty kick, but
    Venezuela equalised at the end of the first half and turned their fortunes around on a long distance free kick that counted with the generosity of Ecuadoran goalkeeper Ramirez.
    This was a missed opportunity for Ecuador to improve their position in
    the middle of the pack before facing a difficult away six-pointer at
    Colombia. Venezuela is still at the bottom, but not as far adrift as
    they were before.
    Colombia 0-0 Brasil
    A game of two halves at Estadio Metropolitano de Barranquilla. In the
    first half, a visibly nervous and a bit disjointed Colombian team did
    little to threaten the visitors, who created the most dangerous chances.
    The hosts got their act together in the second half and took over the initiative. Brasil sat back, took on a few scares but almost stole the
    win in counter attacks, forcing a couple of very good saves by Ospina.
    Again Colombia stops at home a WCQ winning streak by Brasil at 9.
    Although it was yet another draw to their long collection, it was not
    a bad result for them, not by a long shot. As for Brasil, although
    Neymar was again a non-entity, Raphinha and Antony played well when
    they came in and seem to be promising prospects for the near future.
    Argentina 3-0 Uruguay
    A dominant performance and well-earned victory by Argentina in the Superclasico at Monumental de Nu|#ez, Buenos Aires. Goals by Messi and
    De Paul in the first half and Lautaro Mart|!nez in the second finished
    off La Celeste, who have a lot to thank Muslera for keeping the score semi-respectable.
    Uruguay wasn't that bad, they had their share of opportunities but
    Emiliano Martinez came up big too. There was little they could do against
    an Argentinian team that is playing the best football in the continent
    right now. Uruguay are still in the qualifying area, but they have some
    rough waters ahead in the coming rounds. As for Argentina, closing the
    gap to Brasil is more or less irrelevant when it comes to qualifying,
    but who knows, they might as well do that too.
    Chile 2-0 Paraguay
    A hard-fought win for Chile on a tough game at Estadio San Carlos de Apoquindo, in Santiago. La Roja made most of the play and the score was
    kept blank in the first half by some good goalkeeping work by Anthony
    Silva, but goals by Brereton and Isla in the 67th and 71st minute put
    the game beyond Paraguay's reach. Tempers flared somewhat and each side
    had a player sent off (Aranguiz for Chile and Alderete for Paraguay),
    but Nestor Pitana managed to conduct the game to its end without further incidents.
    Though the results of this round were favourable for Paraguay, they
    couldn't take on this opportunity to close the gap to the playoff
    spot. Chile remains in 8th, five points off the pace with seven rounds
    to go. Although I think their mission is a bit too difficult now, they
    still keep a glimmer of hope alive.
    Table [points, games, w-d-l, gs-gc, gd]
    1 Brasil 28 10 9 1 0 22 3 19
    2 Argentina 22 10 6 4 0 18 6 12
    3 Ecuador 16 11 5 1 5 20 13 7
    4 Uruguay 16 11 4 4 3 13 13 0
    5 Colombia 15 11 3 6 2 16 16 0
    6 Paraguay 12 11 2 6 3 9 13 -4
    7 Peru 11 11 3 2 6 10 18 -8
    8 Chile 10 11 2 4 5 11 14 -3
    9 Bolivia 9 11 2 3 6 13 25 -12
    10 Venezuela 7 11 2 1 8 8 19 -11
    Next round to be played in October 14th. In brackets below, the results of these games in the WCQ cycles of 2018/2014/2010/2006/2002/1998 (all the round robin ones so far):
    Bolivia - Paraguay (1-0, 3-1, 4-2, 2-1, 0-0, 0-0). Matchday 4: 2-2
    I see this one going pretty much like Bolivia vs Peru. Paraguay is the
    better team, but usually struggles in La Paz. Bolivia plays for dignity, Paraguay needs to keep in touch with the qualifying area, but I don't
    think they'll pull this one out. Bolivia to win, say, 1-0 (in soph-terms: Bolivia 0.55, draw 0.30, Paraguay 0.15).
    Colombia - Ecuador (3-1, 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, 0-0, 1-0). Matchday 4: Ecuador 6-1 Colombia
    Six-point game at Estadio Metropolitano de Barranquilla. Colombia is on
    a streak of 7 WCQ's without a loss, but 5 of these were draws. Ecuador,
    otoh, is a very poor visitor: lost 4 out of 5 away in this cycle, winning
    only at Bolivia. I think the hosts will have the edge here, they usually
    beat Ecuador at home, plus they should be thirsty for revenge for that
    6-1 in matchday 4. Colombia to win 2-0 (in soph-terms: Colombia 0.60,
    draw 0.25, Ecuador 0.15).
    Argentina - Peru (0-0, 3-1, 2-1, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0). Matchday 4: Peru 0-2 Argentina Argentina is the better side and, at home, shouldn't drop this one.
    It's also a good opportunity for them to further cement their position
    in the qualifying area. In Buenos Aires, I don't think Peru will have
    what it takes to stop them. Argentina to win 2-0 (in soph-terms: Argentina 0.85, draw 0.10, Peru 0.05).
    Chile - Venezuela (3-1, 3-0, 2-2, 2-1, 0-2, 6-0). Matchday 4: Venezuela 2-1 Chile
    A key game for Chile's hopes to keep their challenge alive, especially
    seeing as how Paraguay and Peru are both on difficult away games on
    this round. If they pull it off and results go their way, they might
    end the round 2 or 3 points below the playoff spot. Of course, even
    though Venezuela are at the bottom and have lost all their away games
    so far, Chile should take this one with utmost seriousness. Again at
    Estadio San Carlos de Apoquindo, which may become a "cauldron" for the
    hosts, I think they win and keep things interesting. Chile to win 2-1
    (in soph-terms: Chile 0.60, draw 0.30, Venezuela 0.10).
    Brasil - Uruguay (2-2, n/a, 2-1, 3-3, 1-1, n/a). Matchday 4: Uruguay 0-2 Brasil It's been a while since Uruguay last beat Brasil, that occasion being on
    July 1st, 2001, at El Centenario, in Montevideo. It sounds a bit surprising, but they are the South American team that are for the longest time without
    a win over Brasil in an official game (apart from Venezuela, who never did that). Plus, they're missing de Arrascaeta, injured in the previous round against Colombia. All odds seem to be stacked against them, but it is still
    a derby, so I can see it being a tough one for Brasil, who aren't being
    exactly inspiring in the last few months. I'll call a close 1-0 win for the hosts (in soph-terms: Brasil 0.40, draw 0.35, Uruguay 0.25).
    --
    Ll|-o
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Oct 11 09:15:08 2021
    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 4:17:50 AM UTC+1, Ll|-o wrote:
    Bolivia 1-0 Peru

    Hard-fought and deserved victory for Bolivia at Estadio Hernando Siles,
    in La Paz. Bolivia came out to play, as they do at home, while Peru approached the game cautiously, trying to save fuel for the second half
    due to the altitude. It usually doesn't work, and again it didn't. Peru
    was eventually incisive whenever they came out of their shell, but it
    didn't happen often enough and Lampe again was at it when they did.
    Bolivia had a player sent off on the 76th minute, but five minutes later
    a recently subbed in Ramiro Vaca scored their winner.

    Media here says it's Bolivia's first win over Peru in 13 years. That
    may be technically correct, but it is only so because in the last WCQ
    cycle, Bolivia's 2-0 home win over Peru was overturned and awarded 0-3
    to the visitors, due to the hosts fielding an inelegible player. Both
    sides stay where they previously were in the qualifying table.
    Lleo 30 points
    Mark 30 points

    Venezuela 2-1 Ecuador

    Good win by Venezuela at Estadio Olimpico de la UCV, in Caracas. Ecuador were not up to their high standing in the table and collected yet another away loss. Ecuador scored first, on a VAR-assisted penalty kick, but Venezuela equalised at the end of the first half and turned their fortunes around on a long distance free kick that counted with the generosity of Ecuadoran goalkeeper Ramirez.

    This was a missed opportunity for Ecuador to improve their position in
    the middle of the pack before facing a difficult away six-pointer at Colombia. Venezuela is still at the bottom, but not as far adrift as
    they were before.
    Lleo 0
    Mark 0

    Colombia 0-0 Brasil

    A game of two halves at Estadio Metropolitano de Barranquilla. In the
    first half, a visibly nervous and a bit disjointed Colombian team did
    little to threaten the visitors, who created the most dangerous chances.
    The hosts got their act together in the second half and took over the initiative. Brasil sat back, took on a few scares but almost stole the
    win in counter attacks, forcing a couple of very good saves by Ospina.

    Again Colombia stops at home a WCQ winning streak by Brasil at 9.
    Although it was yet another draw to their long collection, it was not
    a bad result for them, not by a long shot. As for Brasil, although
    Neymar was again a non-entity, Raphinha and Antony played well when
    they came in and seem to be promising prospects for the near future.
    Lleo 90
    Mark 30

    Argentina 3-0 Uruguay

    A dominant performance and well-earned victory by Argentina in the Superclasico at Monumental de Nu|#ez, Buenos Aires. Goals by Messi and
    De Paul in the first half and Lautaro Mart|!nez in the second finished
    off La Celeste, who have a lot to thank Muslera for keeping the score semi-respectable.

    Uruguay wasn't that bad, they had their share of opportunities but
    Emiliano Martinez came up big too. There was little they could do against
    an Argentinian team that is playing the best football in the continent
    right now. Uruguay are still in the qualifying area, but they have some rough waters ahead in the coming rounds. As for Argentina, closing the
    gap to Brasil is more or less irrelevant when it comes to qualifying,
    but who knows, they might as well do that too.
    Lleo 0
    Mark 60

    Chile 2-0 Paraguay

    A hard-fought win for Chile on a tough game at Estadio San Carlos de Apoquindo, in Santiago. La Roja made most of the play and the score was
    kept blank in the first half by some good goalkeeping work by Anthony
    Silva, but goals by Brereton and Isla in the 67th and 71st minute put
    the game beyond Paraguay's reach. Tempers flared somewhat and each side
    had a player sent off (Aranguiz for Chile and Alderete for Paraguay),
    but Nestor Pitana managed to conduct the game to its end without further incidents.

    Though the results of this round were favourable for Paraguay, they
    couldn't take on this opportunity to close the gap to the playoff
    spot. Chile remains in 8th, five points off the pace with seven rounds
    to go. Although I think their mission is a bit too difficult now, they
    still keep a glimmer of hope alive.
    Lleo 0
    Mark 0

    Total points for predictions:
    Lleo 120
    Mark 120
    Yay! We both did as well (or as badly) as each other.
    It was a more unpredictable round though.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Oct 12 06:23:36 2021
    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 4:17:50 AM UTC+1, Ll|-o wrote:

    Bolivia - Paraguay (1-0, 3-1, 4-2, 2-1, 0-0, 0-0). Matchday 4: 2-2

    I see this one going pretty much like Bolivia vs Peru. Paraguay is the better team, but usually struggles in La Paz. Bolivia plays for dignity, Paraguay needs to keep in touch with the qualifying area, but I don't
    think they'll pull this one out. Bolivia to win, say, 1-0 (in soph-terms: Bolivia 0.55, draw 0.30, Paraguay 0.15).
    1-0

    Colombia - Ecuador (3-1, 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, 0-0, 1-0). Matchday 4: Ecuador 6-1 Colombia

    Six-point game at Estadio Metropolitano de Barranquilla. Colombia is on
    a streak of 7 WCQ's without a loss, but 5 of these were draws. Ecuador, otoh, is a very poor visitor: lost 4 out of 5 away in this cycle, winning only at Bolivia. I think the hosts will have the edge here, they usually beat Ecuador at home, plus they should be thirsty for revenge for that
    6-1 in matchday 4. Colombia to win 2-0 (in soph-terms: Colombia 0.60,
    draw 0.25, Ecuador 0.15).
    2-0

    Argentina - Peru (0-0, 3-1, 2-1, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0). Matchday 4: Peru 0-2 Argentina

    Argentina is the better side and, at home, shouldn't drop this one.
    It's also a good opportunity for them to further cement their position
    in the qualifying area. In Buenos Aires, I don't think Peru will have
    what it takes to stop them. Argentina to win 2-0 (in soph-terms: Argentina 0.85, draw 0.10, Peru 0.05).
    3-0

    Chile - Venezuela (3-1, 3-0, 2-2, 2-1, 0-2, 6-0). Matchday 4: Venezuela 2-1 Chile

    A key game for Chile's hopes to keep their challenge alive, especially seeing as how Paraguay and Peru are both on difficult away games on
    this round. If they pull it off and results go their way, they might
    end the round 2 or 3 points below the playoff spot. Of course, even
    though Venezuela are at the bottom and have lost all their away games
    so far, Chile should take this one with utmost seriousness. Again at
    Estadio San Carlos de Apoquindo, which may become a "cauldron" for the hosts, I think they win and keep things interesting. Chile to win 2-1
    (in soph-terms: Chile 0.60, draw 0.30, Venezuela 0.10).
    3-1

    Brasil - Uruguay (2-2, n/a, 2-1, 3-3, 1-1, n/a). Matchday 4: Uruguay 0-2 Brasil

    It's been a while since Uruguay last beat Brasil, that occasion being on July 1st, 2001, at El Centenario, in Montevideo. It sounds a bit surprising, but they are the South American team that are for the longest time without
    a win over Brasil in an official game (apart from Venezuela, who never did that). Plus, they're missing de Arrascaeta, injured in the previous round against Colombia. All odds seem to be stacked against them, but it is still a derby, so I can see it being a tough one for Brasil, who aren't being exactly inspiring in the last few months. I'll call a close 1-0 win for the hosts (in soph-terms: Brasil 0.40, draw 0.35, Uruguay 0.25).

    So Uruguay play Argentina away, and Brazil away in consecutive matches! And Uruguay's next match after this is....at home against Argentina!
    3-1
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Oct 14 20:12:34 2021
    On 2021-10-11, Lloo <llb.moura@gmail.com> wrote:

    Brasil - Uruguay (2-2, n/a, 2-1, 3-3, 1-1, n/a). Matchday 4: Uruguay 0-2 Brasil

    Crazy scheduling. Fabinho and Allison wil (presumably) line up here,
    and then 11 hours later, their club team kicks off a league
    match. Such conflicts shouldn't happen.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Oct 16 12:31:46 2021
    On 2021-10-14, Jesper Lauridsen <rorschak@sorrystofanet.dk> wrote:
    On 2021-10-11, Lloo <llb.moura@gmail.com> wrote:

    Brasil - Uruguay (2-2, n/a, 2-1, 3-3, 1-1, n/a). Matchday 4: Uruguay 0-2 Brasil

    Crazy scheduling. Fabinho and Allison wil (presumably) line up here,
    and then 11 hours later, their club team kicks off a league
    match. Such conflicts shouldn't happen.

    35 hours! I went full Homer there.

    Point still stands.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Oct 16 13:44:05 2021
    On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 2:23:38 PM UTC+1, Mark wrote:
    On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 4:17:50 AM UTC+1, Ll|-o wrote:


    Bolivia - Paraguay (1-0, 3-1, 4-2, 2-1, 0-0, 0-0). Matchday 4: 2-2

    I see this one going pretty much like Bolivia vs Peru. Paraguay is the better team, but usually struggles in La Paz. Bolivia plays for dignity, Paraguay needs to keep in touch with the qualifying area, but I don't think they'll pull this one out. Bolivia to win, say, 1-0 (in soph-terms: Bolivia 0.55, draw 0.30, Paraguay 0.15).
    1-0
    60 points each

    Colombia - Ecuador (3-1, 1-0, 2-0, 3-0, 0-0, 1-0). Matchday 4: Ecuador 6-1 Colombia

    Six-point game at Estadio Metropolitano de Barranquilla. Colombia is on
    a streak of 7 WCQ's without a loss, but 5 of these were draws. Ecuador, otoh, is a very poor visitor: lost 4 out of 5 away in this cycle, winning only at Bolivia. I think the hosts will have the edge here, they usually beat Ecuador at home, plus they should be thirsty for revenge for that
    6-1 in matchday 4. Colombia to win 2-0 (in soph-terms: Colombia 0.60,
    draw 0.25, Ecuador 0.15).
    2-0
    0 points each

    Argentina - Peru (0-0, 3-1, 2-1, 2-0, 2-0, 2-0). Matchday 4: Peru 0-2 Argentina

    Argentina is the better side and, at home, shouldn't drop this one.
    It's also a good opportunity for them to further cement their position
    in the qualifying area. In Buenos Aires, I don't think Peru will have
    what it takes to stop them. Argentina to win 2-0 (in soph-terms: Argentina 0.85, draw 0.10, Peru 0.05).
    3-0
    Lleo 85 points
    Mark 70 points

    Chile - Venezuela (3-1, 3-0, 2-2, 2-1, 0-2, 6-0). Matchday 4: Venezuela 2-1 Chile

    A key game for Chile's hopes to keep their challenge alive, especially seeing as how Paraguay and Peru are both on difficult away games on
    this round. If they pull it off and results go their way, they might
    end the round 2 or 3 points below the playoff spot. Of course, even
    though Venezuela are at the bottom and have lost all their away games
    so far, Chile should take this one with utmost seriousness. Again at Estadio San Carlos de Apoquindo, which may become a "cauldron" for the hosts, I think they win and keep things interesting. Chile to win 2-1
    (in soph-terms: Chile 0.60, draw 0.30, Venezuela 0.10).
    3-1
    Lleo 70
    Mark 85

    Brasil - Uruguay (2-2, n/a, 2-1, 3-3, 1-1, n/a). Matchday 4: Uruguay 0-2 Brasil

    It's been a while since Uruguay last beat Brasil, that occasion being on July 1st, 2001, at El Centenario, in Montevideo. It sounds a bit surprising,
    but they are the South American team that are for the longest time without a win over Brasil in an official game (apart from Venezuela, who never did that). Plus, they're missing de Arrascaeta, injured in the previous round against Colombia. All odds seem to be stacked against them, but it is still
    a derby, so I can see it being a tough one for Brasil, who aren't being exactly inspiring in the last few months. I'll call a close 1-0 win for the
    hosts (in soph-terms: Brasil 0.40, draw 0.35, Uruguay 0.25).

    So Uruguay play Argentina away, and Brazil away in consecutive matches! And Uruguay's next match after this is....at home against Argentina!

    3-1
    Lleo 50
    Mark 85
    Total:
    Lleo 265
    Mark 300
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