Finally football is back, after what seemed a really long club football interruption, I really dont know why they even play club football and all these club competitions, does anyone outside of Madrid really care about the Champions league?--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Meanwhile, we had the football match of the Century, the match that decided the greatest country in Football, el Finalissima. The match that finally and unequivocally tells us the champion of the World-(sorry Senegal, Mexico and Asian champion), something we have not known since 1993. In case you are living under a club football shower curtain, Argentina is King of the World and Messi is the greatest player of all time. Italy is the second best team in the world, I would say Senegal is third and then maybe Mexico and then Asian champion.
But, back to the Nations League, the only real football left in the footballing world. And there are like at least two Nations leagues going on, CONCACAF and UEFA. Yesterday saw Spain and Portugal play to a 1-1 draw, I was a bit surprised to not see Pedri or Jao Felix, I assume they are injured, otherwise it looked a full squad, (it really did, I would assume they would be trying out more young players for this thing).
The beauty of this nations league is that they are playing 4 games in a week and then a summer break and another club football break before finishing up in September. A few big matchups today, the Flemish Bastards Derby between The Netherlands and Belgium, a match that will finally tell us which Flems are the best and then high scoring Danemark take on France(who someday might play in a Finalissima).
Day one results
FT
Czech Republic
2
Switzerland
1
Shaquiri now plays in the MLS, bunch of Italians going to the MLS as well, including Chielini and that other guy, with the Italian sounding name
FT
Israel
2
Iceland
2
FT
Northern Ireland
0
Greece
1
FT
Serbia
0
Norway
1
Can you guess who scored for Norway? Serbia to get relegated?
FT
Slovenia
0
Sweden
2
FT
Spain
1
Portugal
1
FT
Bulgaria
1
North Macedonia
1
FT
Cyprus
0
Kosovo
2
FT
Estonia
2
San Marino
0
FT
Georgia
4
Gibraltar
0
San Marino and Gibraltar will never get Promoted to the 2nd div.
Today matches
-
1st half
Kazakhstan
0
Azerbaijan
0
I drive through Kaz to go to the cottage. The Kaz Hotel use to have the longest bar in the Gatineau before it burned down.
12:00
Latvia
Andorra
14:45
Belarus
Slovakia
So Belarus is allowed to play?
14:45
Belgium
The Netherlands
Flemish Bastards!
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up. They dont call it 1st div 2nd div and so on, like in the club leagues it is actually called A group, B group , C Group.
14:45
France
Denmark
14:45
Liechtenstein
Moldova
You will never see a player from SC Cambuur Leeuwarden score a goal in the Champions League or la liga or WWEpl, but you will in the Nations League!As if there wasnrCOt less of an incentive to watch the Nations League as it is, in the UK the broadcasting rights have moved from Sky (which a fair few people subscribe to) to Premier Sports (which comparatively few people subscribe to).
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 10:33:18 a.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Finally football is back, after what seemed a really long club football interruption, I really dont know why they even play club football and all these club competitions, does anyone outside of Madrid really care about the Champions league?
Meanwhile, we had the football match of the Century, the match that decided the greatest country in Football, el Finalissima. The match that finally and unequivocally tells us the champion of the World-(sorry Senegal, Mexico and Asian champion), something we have not known since 1993. In case you are living under a club football shower curtain, Argentina is King of the World and Messi is the greatest player of all time. Italy is the second best team in the world, I would say Senegal is third and then maybe Mexico and then Asian champion.
But, back to the Nations League, the only real football left in the footballing world. And there are like at least two Nations leagues going on, CONCACAF and UEFA. Yesterday saw Spain and Portugal play to a 1-1 draw, I was a bit surprised to not see Pedri or Jao Felix, I assume they are injured, otherwise it looked a full squad, (it really did, I would assume they would be trying out more young players for this thing).
The beauty of this nations league is that they are playing 4 games in a week and then a summer break and another club football break before finishing up in September. A few big matchups today, the Flemish Bastards Derby between The Netherlands and Belgium, a match that will finally tell us which Flems are the best and then high scoring Danemark take on France(who someday might play in a Finalissima).
Day one results
FT
Czech Republic
2
Switzerland
1
Shaquiri now plays in the MLS, bunch of Italians going to the MLS as well, including Chielini and that other guy, with the Italian sounding name
FT
Israel
2
Iceland
2
FT
Northern Ireland
0
Greece
1
FT
Serbia
0
Norway
1
Can you guess who scored for Norway? Serbia to get relegated?
FT
Slovenia
0
Sweden
2
FT
Spain
1
Portugal
1
FT
Bulgaria
1
North Macedonia
1
FT
Cyprus
0
Kosovo
2
FT
Estonia
2
San Marino
0
FT
Georgia
4
Gibraltar
0
San Marino and Gibraltar will never get Promoted to the 2nd div.
Today matches
-
1st half
Kazakhstan
0
Azerbaijan
0
I drive through Kaz to go to the cottage. The Kaz Hotel use to have the longest bar in the Gatineau before it burned down.
12:00
Latvia
Andorra
14:45
Belarus
Slovakia
So Belarus is allowed to play?
14:45
Belgium
The Netherlands
Flemish Bastards!
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up. They dont call it 1st div 2nd div and so on, like in the club leagues it is actually called A group, B group , C Group.
14:45
France
Denmark
14:45
Liechtenstein
Moldova
So now if you want to watch the Premier League, UEFA club
competitions and UEFA Nations League and UEFA qualifiers you need a subscription to Sky , BT Sports and Premier Sports.
The way football broadcast rights are sold doesnrCOt help football
fans one bit.
Finally football is back,
I think Lukaku is on the verge of retiring from club football
as well?
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up.
On 3.6.2022. 16:33, Binder Dundat wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
14:45After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay up.
3 matches in the next 10 days.
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands
will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that
no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
FT
Croatia
0
Austria
3
FT
France
1
Denmark
2
FT
Liechtenstein
0
Moldova
2
FT
Latvia
3
Andorra
0
FT
Kazakhstan
2
Azerbaijan
0
Nations League
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 4:54:05 p.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 3.6.2022. 16:33, Binder Dundat wrote:such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did
to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to
stay up.
After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
3 matches in the next 10 days.
On 3.6.2022. 16:33, Binder Dundat wrote:Pretty much everything went our way - first half hour was very shaky and Arnie's goal came out
14:45
Croatia
Austria
SO they got the overpaid Nerd as manager of Austria after he did such a great job fixing Man U. I am kinda surprised Austria got promoted to the first div, I think they should sign Franz Binder if they want to stay
up.
After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
3 matches in the next 10 days.
Meanwhile, we had the football match of the Century, the match that decided the greatest country in Football, el Finalissima. The match that finally and unequivocally tells us the champion of the World-(sorry Senegal, Mexico and Asian champion)
But I have to admit we got a good chuckle out of the fact that Salzburg managed to sell
Pongra-ii-c and -aaleta-Car for a combined 28mre4.
On 4.6.2022. 16:54, Werner Pichler wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
But I have to admit we got a good chuckle out of the fact that Salzburg managed to sellYesterday referred as Lolek and Bolek.
Pongra-ii-c and -aaleta-Car for a combined 28mre4.
FTHungaria leading 1-0 from a Penal and based on what I have seen of the 2nd half, not against the run of play either.
Armenia1Rep of Ireland0
Every Ireland result for abut the last 25 years ends in a 1-0
HT
Finland1Bosnia-Herzegovina0
HT
Hungary0England0
If England want to compete and win trophies, they have to take these things seriously
HT--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Lithuania0Luxembourg1
14:45
ItalyGermany
This is one of the worst German teams of the last 25 years or more, they cant be excepted to beat the second best team in the world
14:45
MontenegroRomania
14:45
TurkeyFaroe Islands
How did Turkei end up in the C division?
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 11:48:11 a.m. UTC-4, vedran wrote:
On 4.6.2022. 16:54, Werner Pichler wrote:
But I have to admit we got a good chuckle out of the fact that Salzburg managed to sellYesterday referred as Lolek and Bolek.
Pongra-ii-c and -aaleta-Car for a combined 28mre4.
Real Mardin wrote:It seems like a lot of football, it never ends, always some cup or league or something.
So now if you want to watch the Premier League, UEFA club
competitions and UEFA Nations League and UEFA qualifiers you need a subscription to Sky , BT Sports and Premier Sports.
The way football broadcast rights are sold doesnrCOt help footballIt wasn't designed to help football fans... it was done to make money.
fans one bit.
Although I wouldn't watch the "UEFA Nations League" if you paid me
to, let alone the other way round!
On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:43:28 p.m. UTC-4, Blueshirt wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Real Mardin wrote:
So now if you want to watch the Premier League, UEFA club
competitions and UEFA Nations League and UEFA qualifiers you need a subscription to Sky , BT Sports and Premier Sports.
The way football broadcast rights are sold doesnrCOt help footballIt wasn't designed to help football fans... it was done to make money.
fans one bit.
Although I wouldn't watch the "UEFA Nations League" if you paid meIt seems like a lot of football, it never ends, always some cup or league or something.
to, let alone the other way round!
Here on the Iceberg, DAZN is taking control of the Football coverage. They have the EPL, UCL, MLS, Nations league, Belgium league, qualifying and some Womens leagues and UCL. They also have Darts, Boxing, NFL, I think MLB, Tennis, Red Bull and a bunch of other stuff and all for $20 a month. I would not mind paying more if they got the Bundesliga and Spanish Liga, cus TSN and Sportsnet have done a terrible job with that.
Italy v Germany--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
The Italians doing what I would have thought, most teams would be doing, that is picking young players. Germany with the old dogs. I know Wirtz is injured, but I would like to see some young guys like Musiala, Nmencha and Schlotterbeck starting, instead of Muller, Sane, Neuer etc. Maybe HaFlick thinks that the young players are not good enough to win a Nations Liga, thing is neither are the old dogs.
I realize that HaFlick is no JLow, but even he must know Sane has never played well for Germany.Probably the worst performance I have ever seen by a German team. Unable to do the sim-le things like pass or trap a ball. OK, it has been something like 2 years of players going non stop, so they are tired, but you can see the total lack of simple skills.
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 2:55:01 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Italy v Germany
The Italians doing what I would have thought, most teams would be doing, that is picking young players. Germany with the old dogs. I know Wirtz is injured, but I would like to see some young guys like Musiala, Nmencha and Schlotterbeck starting, instead of Muller, Sane, Neuer etc. Maybe HaFlick thinks that the young players are not good enough to win a Nations Liga, thing is neither are the old dogs.
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 1:03:37 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:Hungary were supposed to play the game behind closed doors due to previous incidents of racist abuse, but UEFA made an exception and allowed children to attend if accompanied by an adult. Of course, some of these adults could have been the same people who chanted racist abuse in the first place. True to form, boos rang out from all corners of the stadium when England took the knee before the start of the match to protest against racial injustice.
FT
Armenia1Rep of Ireland0
Every Ireland result for abut the last 25 years ends in a 1-0
HTHungaria leading 1-0 from a Penal and based on what I have seen of the 2nd half, not against the run of play either.
Finland1Bosnia-Herzegovina0
HT
Hungary0England0
If England want to compete and win trophies, they have to take these things seriously
England is going to get relegated to B after this start I think. If they
play this poor they may get sent home early from the World Cup too.
In article <3cde3e8d-51d3-4537...@googlegroups.com>,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Insane Ranter <log...@gmail.com> wrote:
England is going to get relegated to B after this start I think. If they >play this poor they may get sent home early from the World Cup too. Southgate on the block.--
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12:00
WalesUkraine World Cup 2022 qualifying
If Ukrania needed any more incentive, apparently Russia is blowing up Kyiv today. All of this just because Oil Companies are backing Putin in order to maximize profits.
2nd--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
San Marino 0 vs Malta 2
It is official, San Marino is worst of the least.
12:00
CyprusNorthern Ireland
12:00
There is a northern, Ireland? Isnt that called Scotland?
GibraltarNorth Macedonia
14:45
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
Czech RepublicSpain
14:45
KosovoGreece
14:45
PortugalSwitzerland
14:45
SerbiaSlovenia
14:45
SwedenNorway
On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 6:35:39 p.m. UTC-4, The Doctor wrote:
In article <3cde3e8d-51d3-4537...@googlegroups.com>,
Insane Ranter <log...@gmail.com> wrote:
England is going to get relegated to B after this start I think. If they >play this poor they may get sent home early from the World Cup too. Southgate on the block.--
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I realize none of you have any idea about football, you really dont have any idea bout life, but I am telling you haaland will score 50 goals a season in whatever liga he plays in
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 10:14:59 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
I realize none of you have any idea about football, you really dont have any idea bout life, but I am telling you haaland will score 50 goals a season in whatever liga he plays inPlease
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/t9f9_0cyJCk/m/esUDy5osAwAJ
Ciao,
Werner
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:32:20 p.m. UTC-4, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 10:14:59 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
I realize none of you have any idea about football, you really dont have any idea bout life, but I am telling you haaland will score 50 goals a season in whatever liga he plays inPlease
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/t9f9_0cyJCk/m/esUDy5osAwAJ
Ciao,Yeah, but you are all gonna tell me it is cus his manager.
Werner
12:00
WalesUkraine World Cup 2022 qualifying
If Ukrania needed any more incentive, apparently Russia is blowing up Kyiv today. All of this just because Oil Companies are backing Putin in order to maximize profits.
2nd
San Marino 0 vs Malta 2
It is official, San Marino is worst of the least.
12:00
CyprusNorthern Ireland
12:00
There is a northern, Ireland? Isnt that called Scotland?
GibraltarNorth Macedonia
14:45
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:[SNIP]
Indeed! What happened to them?BulgariaGeorgiaI guess that's a new low for Bulgaria... up next, Gibraltar away!
14:45
Werner Pichler escreveu:Elko might be able to say more about this, but just looking at the squad it seems that there's
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:[SNIP]
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
I guess that's a new low for Bulgaria... up next, Gibraltar away!
Indeed! What happened to them?
----- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Ll|-o
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
In article <fcb57726-08e2-462e-9e63-17852471db38n@googlegroups.com>,
Binder Dundat <dundat@gmail.com> wrote:
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands
will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that
no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
Hope for Canada!
On 2022-06-04 08:43, The Doctor wrote:Who needs a World Cup when CONCACAF and UEFA are doing Nation Leagues in which every country is invited and they are doing it in only 10 days, why waste months or years of qualifying and then a month for a tournament, it just all about the money. which is why Canadian players went on strike and did not play in the make up friendly vs Panama yesterday and if things keep going as they are, players will not field a team for the Nations Liga match on Thursday. That kinda attitude kinda rocks and sucks at the same time, power to the people!!
In article <fcb57726-08e2-462e...@googlegroups.com>,
Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands
will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that
no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
Hope for Canada!Not if we can't figure out wage disputes with Soccer Canada.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 10:29:45 a.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-04 08:43, The Doctor wrote:
In article <fcb57726-08e2-462e...@googlegroups.com>,
Binder Dundat <dun...@gmail.com> wrote:
So what did we learn from yesterdays results?
That Austria will win the WC or if they are not qualified, Netherlands >> will win it, or maybe Danemark.
Belarus
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Belgium
1
The Netherlands
4
So does this result mean the Belgium Golden Generation is over or that >> no one gives a shit about the Nations League?
Who needs a World Cup when CONCACAF and UEFA are doing Nation Leagues in which every country is invited and they are doing it in only 10 days, why waste months or years of qualifying and then a month for a tournament, it just all about the money. which is why Canadian players went on strike and did not play in the make up friendly vs Panama yesterday and if things keep going as they are, players will not field a team for the Nations Liga match on Thursday. That kinda attitude kinda rocks and sucks at the same time, power to the people!!Hope for Canada!Not if we can't figure out wage disputes with Soccer Canada.
I really dont know the ins and outs of the Canada deal, but it seems they dont like the way the CSA are allocating the money. In Canada, like the USA, women's football is probably as big or bigger than the mens game and I think part of the problem is to give the women the same as the men. May as well call off the 2026 WC already.
Meanwhile the UEFA teams are all obedient little boys and taking whatever deals they are given.
LatviaMore importantly, it's a UFWC match.
Liechtenstein
14:45
Andorra
Moldova
14:45
Austria
Denmark
Was that win vs Croatia just NMA or is Austria maybe finally playing to their potential? Or should I be watching Bonaire vs Sint Maarten instead.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 5:24:34 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
14:45
Austria
Denmark
Was that win vs Croatia just NMA or is Austria maybe finally playing to their potential? Or should I be watching Bonaire vs Sint Maarten instead.
More importantly, it's a UFWC match.
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 8:08:05 PM UTC+2, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, June 6, 2022 at 5:24:34 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
14:45
Austria
Denmark
Was that win vs Croatia just NMA or is Austria maybe finally playing to their potential? Or should I be watching Bonaire vs Sint Maarten instead.
More importantly, it's a UFWC match.Kick-off delayed due to massive power outage not only in the stadium, but the whole Vienna district where it's located.
It's a conspiracy! Evidently THEY don't want us to take the coveted UFWC title.
Ciao,
Werner
The Nations League has taken football to the next dimension,
What? No mention how Germany wuz robbed against England today?
On Wednesday, 8 June 2022 at 11:08:01 UTC+12, Raja Nadar wrote:He tripped over his own feet/dived to get the penal, not to mention he was offside.
What? No mention how Germany wuz robbed against England today?Yeah. I don't understand how Kane was given the penalty. He was not touched at all.
14:45
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
How much did you bet on it?
14:45
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:Almost certainly not.
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
How much did you bet on it?
14:45
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:Almost certainly not.
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?
14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On 2022-06-09 12:10, Raja Nadar wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:Wales, Switzerland, Serbia and Croatia are all possibly as bad or worse. Wales just lost to Poland in the Nations' league.
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>Almost certainly not.
Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:40:55 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
12:00
WalesUkraine World Cup 2022 qualifying
If Ukrania needed any more incentive, apparently Russia is blowing up Kyiv today. All of this just because Oil Companies are backing Putin in order to maximize profits.
2nd
San Marino 0 vs Malta 2
It is official, San Marino is worst of the least.
12:00
CyprusNorthern Ireland
12:00
There is a northern, Ireland? Isnt that called Scotland?
GibraltarNorth Macedonia
14:45
BulgariaGeorgia
14:45
I guess that's a new low for Bulgaria... up next, Gibraltar away!
On 2022-06-09 12:10, Raja Nadar wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>Almost certainly not.
Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
Wales, Switzerland, Serbia and Croatia are all possibly as bad or worse. Wales just lost to Poland in the Nations' league.
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 11:32:10 PM UTC+2, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-09 12:10, Raja Nadar wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2022 at 10:55:28 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-08 15:41, Krishna Raja Nadar wrote:Okay they are at least the worst European team in the competition?
On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 3:44:17 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote: >>>>>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>>>Almost certainly not.
Is Poland the worst team at the World Cup?14:45How much did you bet on it?
Rep of Ireland
Ukraine
I dont know who will win, but it will end up 1-0
Ciao,
Werner
Wales, Switzerland, Serbia and Croatia are all possibly as bad or worse.
Wales just lost to Poland in the Nations' league.
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer than in the last few editions
while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely
if you _really_ want to discuss quality.
Ciao,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Werner
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like
Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really >should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ?
or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to
the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before
the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it >easier to predict),
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail,
then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they >don't really exist.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and >less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in
the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I >would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales,
Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
It is just so difficult to keep up with all the Nations league games, hell it is hard to keep up with the different Nations leagues. But this summers greatest football tournament is passing the half way mark of this cycle, before it close down and recycles at the end of summer, to return to the footballing pinnacle of this summer's greatest football tournament, possibly the greatest summer football tournament of all time.
Nations League
Wednesday 8 June 2022
FT
Belgium
6
Poland
1
Wait, whaaaat, really, but did not Holland just beat Belgium 4-1. Maybe news of Belgium's demise is a bit premature.
FT
On 2022-06-10 11:54, Binder Dundat wrote:
It is just so difficult to keep up with all the Nations league games, hell it is hard to keep up with the different Nations leagues. But this summers greatest football tournament is passing the half way mark of this cycle, before it close down and recycles at the end of summer, to return to the footballing pinnacle of this summer's greatest football tournament, possibly the greatest summer football tournament of all time.
Canada won without too much exertion in its nations' league match--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
against Curacao, 4-0. Goals Davies 2, Vittoria, and Cavallini. Not a terribly cohesive performance, but it has been a while. No settlement
on the labour dispute yet. Apparently this was the last game in Canada before the WC. Next up Honduras down there. Honduras and Curacao
traded wins in earlier games, so everyone is on 3 points in the table.
Nations League
Wednesday 8 June 2022
FT
Belgium
6
Poland
1
Wait, whaaaat, really, but did not Holland just beat Belgium 4-1. Maybe news of Belgium's demise is a bit premature.
FTThis result did not flatter Belgium at all. They meant business and De Bruyne, Carrasco, and a rusty E. Hazard were motivated from the start.
Some nice goals. Belgian back line still too geriatric, so suprised
they did not give some of the younger ones a trial once the score racked
up. Mignolet in net again. Thibault has a groin strain. Lukaku also
still injured.
Azerbaijan
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Moldova
2
Latvia
4
1st
Albania
0
Israel
0
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
HT
Austria
1
France
0
I think we can safely assume Austria will win the UEFA Nations league.
HT
Belarus
0
Kazakhstan
1
1st
Denmark
0
Croatia
0
Nations LeagueOn Friday, June 10, 2022 at 2:22:56 p.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
On 2022-06-10 11:54, Binder Dundat wrote:games, hell it is hard to keep up with the different Nations leagues.
It is just so difficult to keep up with all the Nations league
But this summers greatest football tournament is passing the half way
mark of this cycle, before it close down and recycles at the end of
summer, to return to the footballing pinnacle of this summer's greatest >football tournament, possibly the greatest summer football tournament of
all time.
Canada won without too much exertion in its nations' league match
against Curacao, 4-0. Goals Davies 2, Vittoria, and Cavallini. Not a
terribly cohesive performance, but it has been a while. No settlement
on the labour dispute yet. Apparently this was the last game in Canada
before the WC. Next up Honduras down there. Honduras and Curacao
traded wins in earlier games, so everyone is on 3 points in the table.
Maybe news of Belgium's demise is a bit premature.
Nations League
Wednesday 8 June 2022
FT
Belgium
6
Poland
1
Wait, whaaaat, really, but did not Holland just beat Belgium 4-1.
This result did not flatter Belgium at all. They meant business and De
FT
Bruyne, Carrasco, and a rusty E. Hazard were motivated from the start.
Some nice goals. Belgian back line still too geriatric, so suprised
they did not give some of the younger ones a trial once the score racked
up. Mignolet in net again. Thibault has a groin strain. Lukaku also
still injured.
After 0:3 staying up is very probable, it's very likely we'll lose all
3 matches in the next 10 days.
Azerbaijan
0
Slovakia
1
FT
Moldova
2
Latvia
4
1st
Albania
0
Israel
0
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
HT
Austria
1
France
0
I think we can safely assume Austria will win the UEFA Nations league.
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 9:39:06 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat wrote:
HT
Andorra
0
Liechtenstein
0
Now that Andorra have won this one 2-1, only three teams are still winless in three editions of
the UEFA Nations League:
San Marino 0-2-10
Northern Ireland 0-3-10
Ireland 0-5-7
Andorra are now 1-7-7.
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Werner
On Friday, June 10, 2022 at 9:39:06 PM UTC+2, Binder Dundat
wrote:
HT
Austria
1
France
0
I think we can safely assume Austria will win the UEFA
Nations league.
We should have drawn against Denmark and lost this one.
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:Actually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24). https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can
be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like
Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to
the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before
the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),
Looking back, which of us would have predictedOn the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail,
then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A inIn the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that
the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales,
Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
This never ending league of Nations is still going, come on man, how can that be?ItrCOs to try and makes us forget that today should be day four of the 2022 World Cup had the powers that be not awarded a summer football tournament to a country where itrCOs too hot by far to play football in the summer.
Even I am trying to come up with reason to keep following this never ending league. I think I would find it more interesting if teams were playing more youngsters or at least players on the fringe of their National teams. If I am not mistaken, Greece and Turkei are winning this league and will play in the final.
At the moment half watching the Swiss trying to hang on to a 1-0 lead the held since the first minute against Portugal. If I can stay awake after the long drive back to the city.
Yesterday results
FT
The Netherlands
2
Poland
2
So does this now mean Netherlands are crap?
FT
Hungary
1
Germany
1
Germany have never won a Nations league match, partially cus they are crap and partially cus they really dont care.
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Luxembourg
0
Turkey
2
FT
Montenegro
1
Bosnia-Herzegovina
1
FT
Romania
1
Finland
0
FT
Wales
1
Belgium
1
Ok so the Belgian Golden Generation is over? Or did the Welch do something to them as well? Bloody Welch, poisoned the Ukraine team before that WC qualifier, they will do anything to make a World Cup, those pointy headed, little road runner speed freaks. That is all they do, just run really fast and poison the opponents, oh yeah and bribe the refs. You now can pretty well blame them for all the Ukrainians being killed by Russians and the crazy gas prices.
FT
Faroe Islands
2
Lithuania
1
FT
Rep of Ireland
3
Scotland
0
I think this is a misprint and should read 1-0
FT
Ukraine
3
Armenia
0
MH escreveu:I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone likeActually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail,On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was the main target IIRC.
then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in
the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales,
Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has
USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
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Ll|-o
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4 of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),Actually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Ciao,
Werner
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams
you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless
Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
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Ll|-o
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:So if all European teams make it two Round 2, 1 North American team makes, 1 African team makes it and 1 Asian team makes it and bizarrely all South American teams get knocked out.... will we have the next World Cup with no South American teams even if say Brazil is already selected as the host for the next World Cup?
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4 of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),Actually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two.
If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Ciao,
Werner
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams
you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless
Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
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Ll|-o
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 9:26:59 AM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the >>> second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that >>> were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two.
So if all European teams make it two Round 2, 1 North American team makes, 1 African team makes it and 1 Asian team makes it and bizarrely all South American teams get knocked out.... will we have the next World Cup with no South American teams even if say Brazil is already selected as the host for the next World Cup?
If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Ciao,
Werner
I think it's probably going to be 10 this time around again. From the teams >>> you mention, I think only one of Serbia or Switzerland goes through (unless >>> Brasil screws up) and Mexico should edge out Poland. I don't know how to >>> compare Wales to Iran or the US (Elo and FIFA rank all of them relatively >>> close to each other; Elo has USA 21, Wales 22 and Iran 26 while FIFA has >>> USA 15, Wales 18 and Iran 21. FWIW, anyway).
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Ll|-o
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:The argument is that there is no guarantee that if teams 1 to N (who make it to the second round) in a confederation are good, so are teams N+1 to 2N. It's the old "marginal team" argument.
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA really should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4 of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it easier to predict),Actually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as they don't really exist.On the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:26:59 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
Given the current victimization of Oceania by FIFA, how would Oceania ever earn even 1 berth at the World Cup?
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 3:26:59 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:Of course, totally agree. Also, taking this seriously would mean CONMEBOL should have more berths than it has members.
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:
MH escreveu:
On 2022-06-09 16:37, Werner Pichler wrote:
Let's be blunt: UEFA's domination of the World Cup has never been clearer
than in the last few editions while its percentage among participating
teams has never been lower.
All this talk about worst European representatives, or Eurocrotos, can
be fun, but it misses the point entirely if you _really_ want to discuss
quality.
Well as I remember it, the eurocrotto slur came from someone like Marcelo (?), in the endless arguments about how many places UEFA reallyActually it was not Marcelo who came up with the term, but Ariel. Marcelo
should get. Jesper (or was it Anders ? or maybe someone else) said that
if it was really that obvious that UEFA was sending several no-hopers to
the cup, then we should be able to predict who they were, ideally before
the draw was even made (eg. back when 15 teams out of 32 were UEFA, 3-4
of them would end up in a group with Brazil or Argentina - which made it
easier to predict),
explains its meaning in this thread (posts 20 and 24).
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/AwVJmYyikd8#7bf6a311e65fd6f6
Looking back, which of us would have predicted
Spain in 1998
France and Portugal in 2002
Czech R. in 2006
Italy and France 2010
England and Spain 2014
Germany in 2018
The point being that if you can't predict which Euro teams will fail, then it is not fair to talk about eurocrottos (crotti ?) at all, as theyOn the origin of the term, I think the point was that whenever a non-UEFA
don't really exist.
team had a poor World Cup, you'd usually see discussions how about an European non-qualifier would have performed better, ergo UEFA deserved more
spots, even though UEFA had its share of poor WC teams. Concacaf usually was
the main target IIRC.
Of course, if we use "croto" to "express lack of appreciation for the level
of football shown", then obviously one would have more than a handful of crotos from all over the place as well. And they'll spring up like mushrooms
when the 48-team WC comes around.
With the numbers down to 13, and perhaps a better qualifying process and
less erratic seeding (no coincidence that 12 of 13 are in league A in the Nations' league), it is possible that all 13 might advance, though I
would not bet on it. Pretty hard not to see at least one of Wales, Poland, Serbia and Switzerland going out in the group phase.
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to theI stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that
were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
In terms of pure meritocracy your position is hard to argue against, but for me the argument goes a bit further than only sporting merit.
A World Cup needs a minimum number of teams from each confederation to make it a World Cup.
If berths start becoming dependent on second round places we wonrCOt have a World Cup but a rCLEurope plus Argentina, Brazil and Mexico CuprCY.I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart from
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On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 5:26:59 PM UTC+3, Werner Pichler wrote:True, but that would assume a very strange quality drop-off after N wouldn't it?
On Monday, June 13, 2022 at 4:10:41 AM UTC+2, Ll|-o wrote:
In the last 10 editions, Europe has been sending a steady 10 teams to the
second round, with three exceptions (in the three WC's in this period that
were hosted out of Europe/North America: 9 in 2002, 6 in 2010 and 2014).
I stand by the notion that the easiest and best way to measure how many berths
a confederation should have in a 32-team World Cup is by multiplying the number
of teams in the second round by two. If half your teams make it, you've hit the sweet
spot.
If there's an argument to be made that the assumption's wrong, I've yet to see it.
The argument is that there is no guarantee that if teams 1 to N (who make it to the second round) in a confederation are good, so are teams N+1 to 2N. It's the old "marginal team" argument.
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart from
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart fromYou mean Ghana ?
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you think
of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria
2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling the Nations league glorified friendlies (as opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:43:06 p.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart fromYou mean Ghana ?
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you think
of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria 2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
Germany beating Italy 5-0 would be a bigger deal if not for England losing at home 3-0 to Hungaria.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 4:16:28 p.m. UTC-4, Binder Dundat wrote:
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling the Nations league glorified friendlies (as opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 3:43:06 p.m. UTC-4, MH wrote:
I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart fromYou mean Ghana ?
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you think of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria 2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
Ciao,
Werner
RM
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling the Nations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.Never mind the press scribblers - am I allowed to change my Eurocrotto entry??? RM
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:16:28 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling the Nations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
Never mind the press scribblers - am I allowed to change my Eurocrotto entry???
RM--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On 2022-06-14 15:28, Real Mardin wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:16:28 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat
wrote:
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy
and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom)
after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers,
will be going back to hating international football, calling
the Nations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the
greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and
changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
Never mind the press scribblers - am I allowed to change my
Eurocrotto entry???
Sure, up to July 1.
And don't look now, but France might also get relegated.
On 2022-06-14 15:28, Real Mardin wrote:
On Tuesday, June 14, 2022 at 9:16:28 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
Meanwhile in the Nations league, in a group with Germany, Italy and England, Hungaria are top of the table (England bottom) after 4 matches. I >suspect all those English press scribblers, will be going back to hating international football, calling the Nations league glorified friendlies (as >opposed to the greatest thing ever as they were about 10 days ago) and changing their minds on England winning the World Cup.
Never mind the press scribblers - am I allowed to change my Eurocrotto entry???Sure, up to July 1.
And don't look now, but France might also get relegated.
Thanks MH. I think on reflection I'm going to put this down to being "just a Nations League result". If England's two Hungary results had come in qualifying fixtures I'd be seriously amending my entry and I imagine Gareth Southgate would be updating his cv!RM
Well, it is finally over, the 10 days of Football frenzy called the UEFA Nations League is over (I think CONCACAF Nations league is also over), over for now that is, it will start again in September with two matches left. So who are the winners in this World Cup warm up/nobody wanted to play it cool down? I am going to say Turkei, Greece and Latvia are the big winners, they had perfect records and should move up to Group B. France and England are the big losers and could be playing Group B whenever this Nations liga thing gets played again.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
For me, I probably feel a bit better about Germany's chances at the WM, but not much and that is mostly based on today's result, I still would not be overly shocked if Japan or Costa Rica beat Germany, I really think they will be relying on an 18 year old Florian Wirtz to be back from injury for any hope of going far, defensively they are weak.
With all teams now set for the actual WM, here are the odds as of today. Portugal or Denmark look like the most likely new WM winners for me, maybe, big maybe, a non EUropean or South AMerican will win, but now that I see they are not playing on sand pitches in the Desert but on actual grass pitches in an Air Conditioned stadium I am less likely to think that. Can you really cool down a giant 80k seater stadium? How does that work? It has to have a roof, so then how does the grass grow????
Brazil: +450 (bet $10 to win $55 total)
England: +500 (bet $10 to win $60 total)
France: +550 (bet $10 to win $65 total)
Argentina: +750 (bet $10 to win $85 total)
Spain: +800 (bet $10 to win $90 total)
Germany: +1100 (bet $10 to win $120 total)
Portugal: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Belgium: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Netherlands: +1200 (bet $10 to win $130 total)
Denmark: +2500 (bet $10 to win $260 total)
Uruguay: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total)
Croatia: +5000 (bet $10 to win $510 total)
Switzerland: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total)
Senegal: +8000 (bet $10 to win $810 total)
United States: +10000 (bet $10 to win $1,010 total)
Poland: +12500 (bet $10 to win $1,260 total)
Ecuador: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Serbia: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Mexico: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Wales: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
Canada: +15000 (bet $10 to win $1,510 total)
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South Korea: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,010 total)
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Qatar: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
Morocco: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
Japan: +25000 (bet $10 to win $2,510 total)
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Costa Rica: +150000 (bet $10 to win $15,010 total)
Sure, up to July 1.
And don't look now, but France might also get relegated.
Yes. *embarrassed*I believe CAF needs to finally pull its weight. Ever since 1982 they're being seen as 'one step away', yet apart from
Senegal's heartbreak 2010 they've disappointed much more often than not.
You mean Ghana ?
Senegal was 2002.
CAF has at least provided evidence of strength in depth, when you thinkI'll readily grant that CAF's gruesome qualifiers might play an important role in
of Cameroon and Algeria 1982, Morocco 1986, Cameroon 1990, Nigeria 1994, Nigeria 1998, Senegal 2002, Ghana 2006, Ghana 2010, Nigeria + Algeria
2016, all making the second round (or at least the top 16 in the case of 1982). Yes, only one or two each time, but different teams, and quite a large selection of different qualifiers.
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