Early reports of the pre-match chaos indicate hundreds, maybe thousands, of Liverpool fans had fake tickets and caused the situation which delayed the start half an hour and had tear gas deployed.IrCOm not sure I fully understand. You want Liverpool banned because someone scammed their fans by selling them fake tickets?
If FIFA eventually finds this the case, I would think that enough cause to throw Liverpool out of all UEFA international competition 2022-23.
You think this might be enough?
Mike
What surprised me was why paper tickets were being sold when UEFA has
already changed to tickets on a ticketing app for other tournaments.
If this was indeed caused by fans with fake tickets clogging up the turnstiles, the ticketing app would have prevented this.
Early reports of the pre-match chaos indicate hundreds, maybe thousands,
of Liverpool fans had fake tickets and caused the situation which
delayed the start half an hour and had tear gas deployed.
If FIFA eventually finds this the case, I would think that enough cause
to throw Liverpool out of all UEFA international competition 2022-23.
You think this might be enough?
Mike
UEFA is sufficient, though if FIFA wants to get involved... :)
Mike
In article <990cc491-4b03-47fd-9a91-c43b2e29edb7n@googlegroups.com>,
Michael Falkner <darkstar7646@gmail.com> wrote:
Early reports of the pre-match chaos indicate hundreds, maybe
thousands, of Liverpool fans had fake tickets and caused the
situation which delayed the start half an hour and had tear gas
deployed.
If FIFA eventually finds this the case, I would think that enough
cause to throw Liverpool out of all UEFA international competition
2022-23.
You think this might be enough?
International? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
Still Wathing BBC news who is at fault? The Paris authorities
or the Loserfools?
The Doctor wrote:
In article <990cc491-4b03-47fd-9a91-c43b2e29edb7n@googlegroups.com>,
Michael Falkner <darkstar7646@gmail.com> wrote:
Early reports of the pre-match chaos indicate hundreds, maybe
thousands, of Liverpool fans had fake tickets and caused the
situation which delayed the start half an hour and had tear gas
deployed.
If FIFA eventually finds this the case, I would think that enough
cause to throw Liverpool out of all UEFA international competition
2022-23.
You think this might be enough?
International? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
No. Not going to happen.
Still Wathing BBC news who is at fault? The Paris authorities
or the Loserfools?
Probably a combination of both... along with UEFA...
In article <t6vphs$qpt$1@dont-email.me>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
International? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
No. Not going to happen.
Still Wathing BBC news who is at fault? The Paris authorities
or the Loserfools?
Probably a combination of both... along with UEFA...
Tossing out Pool from CL would mean Arsenal gets promoted.
In article <990cc491-4b03-47fd...@googlegroups.com>,A full investigation is needed but there is more to this than first appeared and the narrative has moved on from hooligans jumping the turnstiles to the fans, police and organisers all being at fault in their own way.
Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Early reports of the pre-match chaos indicate hundreds, maybe thousands, >of Liverpool fans had fake tickets and caused the situation which
delayed the start half an hour and had tear gas deployed.
If FIFA eventually finds this the case, I would think that enough cause
to throw Liverpool out of all UEFA international competition 2022-23.
You think this might be enough?
MikeInternational? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
Still Wathing BBC news who is at fault? The PAris authorities
or the Loserfools?
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IrCOm not sure I fully understand. You want Liverpool banned because someone scammed their fans by selling them fake tickets?The unrest which ensued.
International? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
They are not going to throw Liverpool out of anything Dave. It's
delusional.
One thing that doesnrCOt fit comfortably with the narrative that fake tickets caused fans to get stuck at the turnstiles is that Liverpool player Andy Robertson gave his friend a ticket sourced directly from Liverpool FC which was rejected at the turnstiles for being rCLfakerCY. Other Liverpool fans with tickets they say were bought legitimately have reported the same. IrCOm only speculating but could it be that the issue wasnrCOt fake tickets but that somehow more tickets were printed than there were seats? Eg, you and I are sold tickets to the same seat. You arrive at the stadium before me and are admitted, when I arrive the turnstile rejects my ticket as it shows the seat is already taken. The turnstile attendant faced with thousands of other people to deal with, dismisses my protests and assumes my ticket is a fake.I would actually assume, after a sufficient number, that the turnstiles locked everybody out, assuming ALL further tickets were fake.
The Doctor wrote:
In article <t6vphs$qpt$1@dont-email.me>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
International? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
No. Not going to happen.
Still Wathing BBC news who is at fault? The Paris authorities
or the Loserfools?
Probably a combination of both... along with UEFA...
Tossing out Pool from CL would mean Arsenal gets promoted.
They are not going to throw Liverpool out of anything Dave. It's
delusional.
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:30:48 PM UTC+1, The Doctor wrote:
In article <990cc491-4b03-47fd...@googlegroups.com>,AntiChrist rising!
Michael Falkner <darkst...@gmail.com> wrote:
Early reports of the pre-match chaos indicate hundreds, maybe thousands, >> >of Liverpool fans had fake tickets and caused the situation whichInternational? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
delayed the start half an hour and had tear gas deployed.
If FIFA eventually finds this the case, I would think that enough cause
to throw Liverpool out of all UEFA international competition 2022-23.
You think this might be enough?
Mike
Still Wathing BBC news who is at fault? The PAris authorities
or the Loserfools?
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A full investigation is needed but there is more to this than first
appeared and the narrative has moved on from hooligans jumping the
turnstiles to the fans, police and organisers all being at fault in
their own way.
The situation does seem to have started with Liverpool fans being sold >tickets that were either fake or otherwise wouldnrCOt work at the
turnstiles. We need to remember that anyone sold a fake ticket is
themselves a victim of fraud. Blaming the issues on fans sold fake
tickets isnrCOt good enough. That isnrCOt to say some Liverpool fans >werenrCOt at fault for how they reacted, there have been reports of
Liverpool fans tailgating other fans at the turnstiles and jumping the
fence into the stadium, which clearly wasnrCOt going to help matters.
As for the police, whilst they were reacting to a situation not of their >making, there are allegations that teargas and riot police were deployed >indiscriminately, with children being caught up on the situation.
DoesnrCOt look great.
As for the organisers, as previously mentioned on this thread, if
e-tickets had been used there wouldnrCOt have been an issue with fake
tickets in the first place.
One thing that doesnrCOt fit comfortably with the narrative that fake
tickets caused fans to get stuck at the turnstiles is that Liverpool
player Andy Robertson gave his friend a ticket sourced directly from >Liverpool FC which was rejected at the turnstiles for being rCLfakerCY.
Other Liverpool fans with tickets they say were bought legitimately have >reported the same. IrCOm only speculating but could it be that the issue >wasnrCOt fake tickets but that somehow more tickets were printed than
there were seats? Eg, you and I are sold tickets to the same seat. You
arrive at the stadium before me and are admitted, when I arrive the
turnstile rejects my ticket as it shows the seat is already taken. The >turnstile attendant faced with thousands of other people to deal with, >dismisses my protests and assumes my ticket is a fake.
Whatever the explanation I look forward to the findings of the investigation.
RM
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-7, Real Mardin wrote:
IrCOm not sure I fully understand. You want Liverpool banned because >someone scammed their fans by selling them fake tickets?
The unrest which ensued.
Mike
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 5:45:55 AM UTC-7, Blueshirt wrote:
They are not going to throw Liverpool out of anything Dave. It's
delusional.
I think it's justified and I think you're misreading why.
Mike
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:45:42 AM UTC-7, Real Mardin wrote:
One thing that doesnrCOt fit comfortably with the narrative that fake >tickets caused fans to get stuck at the turnstiles is that Liverpoolplayer Andy Robertson gave his friend a ticket sourced directly from >Liverpool FC which was rejected at the turnstiles for being rCLfakerCY.
Other Liverpool fans with tickets they say were bought legitimately have >reported the same. IrCOm only speculating but could it be that the issue >wasnrCOt fake tickets but that somehow more tickets were printed than
there were seats? Eg, you and I are sold tickets to the same seat. You
arrive at the stadium before me and are admitted, when I arrive the
turnstile rejects my ticket as it shows the seat is already taken. The >turnstile attendant faced with thousands of other people to deal with, >dismisses my protests and assumes my ticket is a fake.
I would actually assume, after a sufficient number, that the turnstiles >locked everybody out, assuming ALL further tickets were fake.
Mike
In article <t6vpu0$bt$1@dont-email.me>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
In article <t6vphs$qpt$1@dont-email.me>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
International? So Aresnal might be in CL after all.
No. Not going to happen.
Still Wathing BBC news who is at fault? The Paris authorities
or the Loserfools?
Probably a combination of both... along with UEFA...
Tossing out Pool from CL would mean Arsenal gets promoted.
They are not going to throw Liverpool out of anything Dave. It's >>delusional.
WEll I was not the one who put it forward.
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On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 5:45:55 AM UTC-7, Blueshirt wrote:
They are not going to throw Liverpool out of anything Dave. It's delusional.
I think it's justified and I think you're misreading why.
In article <eabdd43a-7d06-456d-8c27-83c4070d0fe5n@googlegroups.com>,
Michael Falkner <darkstar7646@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-7, Real Mardin wrote:
IrCOm not sure I fully understand. You want Liverpool banned becausesomeone scammed their fans by selling them fake tickets?
The unrest which ensued.
Authorities vs fools.
Michael Falkner wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 5:45:55 AM UTC-7, Blueshirt wrote:
They are not going to throw Liverpool out of anything Dave. It's
delusional.
I think it's justified and I think you're misreading why.
I'm not misreading anything... and from what I've seen and heard I
don't see how it could be justified in any way shape or form.
Maybe you should wait until the official investigation is concluded
before jumping to conclusions based on what you see in the media.
But Liverpool FC being thrown out of the Champions League by UEFA is
not going to happen. So the answer to the original question is, no it
won't be enough to toss Liverpool.*
(* I'm not saying it wouldn't be fun if they did though!)
The Doctor wrote:
In article <eabdd43a-7d06-456d-8c27-83c4070d0fe5n@googlegroups.com>,
Michael Falkner <darkstar7646@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 1:19:45 AM UTC-7, Real Mardin wrote:
IrCOm not sure I fully understand. You want Liverpool banned becausesomeone scammed their fans by selling them fake tickets?
The unrest which ensued.
Authorities vs fools.
Or maybe fools in authority?!
The French Interior Minister has today claimed the problems were
triggered by 30000-40000 Liverpool fans with fake tickets or without
tickets. We await both the the official and the independent
investigation, but these numbers have already been questioned.
Journalists who were at the stadium have stated those figures don't
tally with what they witnessed. If true it does beg the question where
did these 30000-40000 dissipate to once refused entry?
More details are emerging which don't fit comfortably with the line that
this was all down to Liverpool fans jumping the turnstiles or with fake >tickets. Accounts of young French speaking men jumping the perimeter
fence and running into the stadium might suggest any issues with over >crowding in the ground or seats belonging to ticket holders being
occupied might have a cause closer to home. I've read accounts of
turnstiles which stopped working and turnstile operators asking for
payment to let supporters with what they say were legitimately bought
tickets into the ground.
There were apparently three checkpoints for fans getting into the
stadium, but the tickets weren't checked until the third checkpoint. If
fake tickets were an issue, why weren't tickets checked and the fakes
weeded out at the first checkpoint?
Not a cause of the troubles before the game, but just to illustrate what
a torrid night the Liverpool fans had, reports are that after the match
gangs of local youths attacked and robbed Liverpool fans on their
journey back to the train station.
Whether it's the danger caused by overcrowding in the stadium or the >violence, I thought football had put these scenes behind it? The whole
night sounds like something from the 1980's.
As a collective Liverpool fans are not accepting the fake ticket line.
We'll see what the investigation reveals, but you'd have thought that by
now some accounts of Liverpool fans who admit to being ripped off would
have emerged. Those who've given accounts online are adamant their
tickets were purchased from legitimate sources.
So offended are some Liverpool fans at the official position that this
was down to them having fake tickets that some are now coming out and >declaring support for breaking away from UEFA and joining a European
Super League.
RM
The French Interior Minister has today claimed the problems were triggered by 30000-40000 Liverpool fans with fake tickets or without tickets.
Wait and see. Investigation mut happen.
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 3:33:28 PM UTC-7, The Doctor wrote:
Wait and see. Investigation mut happen.
Independent report has been officially commissioned by UEFA today.
And to Blueshirt: You best be right. Because if the number of fans is >30-40K and Liverpool is found to be largely responsible, at the least
for the composition of that fan group, it may go beyond one year's
expulsion from the CL in my book.
Mike (Shall we start the bidding at 12 points in next year's EPL, on top of it?)
PS to The Doctor: Please note, I am saying "if".
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7, Real Mardin wrote:
The French Interior Minister has today claimed the problems were triggered by 30000-40000 Liverpool fans with fake tickets or without tickets.I'm not saying that's true or not true.
But IF TRUE, UEFA must expel Liverpool from next year's CL.
That's not a few ruffians or the like. That's a systematic situation.
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:52:48 AM UTC+1, Michael Falkner wrote:
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7, Real Mardin wrote:tickets.
The French Interior Minister has today claimed the problems were >triggered by 30000-40000 Liverpool fans with fake tickets or without
I'm not saying that's true or not true.
But IF TRUE, UEFA must expel Liverpool from next year's CL.
That's not a few ruffians or the like. That's a systematic situation.
Well, even if true I'm not sure it would be correct to ban Liverpool
because 30000-40000 of their fans had been sold fake tickets. Surely if
they were sold fake tickets they're the victims of fraud and need to be >treated compassionately?
Don't really see how being sold a fake ticket is the fault of either the
fans or Liverpool FC.
RM
On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:52:48 AM UTC+1, Michael Falkner wrote:
On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-7, Real Mardin wrote:
The French Interior Minister has today claimed the problems were triggered by 30000-40000 Liverpool fans with fake tickets or without tickets.I'm not saying that's true or not true.
But IF TRUE, UEFA must expel Liverpool from next year's CL.
That's not a few ruffians or the like. That's a systematic situation.Well, even if true I'm not sure it would be correct to ban Liverpool because 30000-40000 of their fans had been sold fake tickets. Surely if they were sold fake tickets they're the victims of fraud and need to be treated compassionately?
Don't really see how being sold a fake ticket is the fault of either the fans or Liverpool FC.
RM--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Well, even if true I'm not sure it would be correct to ban Liverpool because 30000-40000 of their fans had been sold fake tickets. Surely if they were sold fake tickets they're the victims of fraud and need to be treated compassionately?
Don't really see how being sold a fake ticket is the fault of either the fans or Liverpool FC.
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