ESPNFC asked three of its writers - Mark Ogden, Julien Laurens, and Alex Kirkland if they missed the AGR. Responses below.Laurens is talking out of his behind.
Ogden is the sentimentalists, while Laurens of course gives the best response.
Kirkland: There were fears that the rule's abolition would lead more games to go to extra time or be decided on penaltiesPreliminary rounds also exist, and the number of matches going to ET has more about doubled. In the long run, it's likely that ET will happen in about 15% of ties, and PKs in about 6%.
-- so far that hasn't been the case.
Ogden: Yes, the knockout ties have lacked an element of jeopardy without away goals. Rather than being an outdated concept, the rule posed a tactical challenge to teams and coaches in terms of whether they were bold enough to push for a goal on the road, at the risk of leaving gaps in defence.Yeah, that's BS. The added incentive to attack by the away team was counterbalanced by the added incentive of the home team to prevent a goal.
Laurens: Absolutely not. It was a pointless and unfair rule. I can guarantee that United and Juventus, for example, would have played for a 0-0 draw at home in the second legs to go through. I'm sorry, but a team playing for a draw twice over two legs should not be able to qualify without going to a penalty shootout. Instead, we had some fascinating second legs where everybody had to attack and had to score. That's what football is about. As for the away goals rule posing a tactical challenge, that's ridiculous. All it used to do was make teams be more calculating and cautious.The guy misses the point completely. The point of AGR should never have been about rewarding this team or the other. It's one way to settle ties. The direct effect of the abolition of AGR is that you have more minutes of the tie in which neither team is eliminated, and so neither of the two has incentives to take risks. Result: worse football. This has nothing to do with my allegiance to Juventus.
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:This is all speculation. We are not even through one full European season without the AGR. We need a larger sample size to make any conclusive judgements.
ESPNFC asked three of its writers - Mark Ogden, Julien Laurens, and Alex Kirkland if they missed the AGR. Responses below.The guy misses the point completely. The point of AGR should never have been about rewarding this team or the other. It's one way to settle ties. The direct effect of the abolition of AGR is that you have more minutes of the tie in which neither team is eliminated, and so neither of the two has incentives to take risks. Result: worse football.
Laurens: Absolutely not. It was a pointless and unfair rule. I can guarantee that United and Juventus, for example, would have played for a 0-0 draw at home in the second legs to go through. I'm sorry, but a team playing for a draw twice over two legs should not be able to qualify without going to a penalty shootout. Instead, we had some fascinating second legs where everybody had to attack and had to score. That's what football is about. As for the away goals rule posing a tactical challenge, that's ridiculous. All it used to do was make teams be more calculating and cautious.
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 3:49:45 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote: >>> ESPNFC asked three of its writers - Mark Ogden, Julien Laurens, and Alex Kirkland if they missed the AGR. Responses below.
Laurens: Absolutely not. It was a pointless and unfair rule. I can guarantee that United and Juventus, for example, would have played for a 0-0 draw at home in the second legs to go through. I'm sorry, but a team playing for a draw twice over two legs should not be able to qualify without going to a penalty shootout. Instead, we had some fascinating second legs where everybody had to attack and had to score. That's what football is about. As for the away goals rule posing a tactical challenge, that's ridiculous. All it used to do was make teams be more calculating and cautious.
The guy misses the point completely. The point of AGR should never have been about rewarding this team or the other. It's one way to settle ties. The direct effect of the abolition of AGR is that you have more minutes of the tie in which neither team is eliminated, and so neither of the two has incentives to take risks. Result: worse football.
This is all speculation. We are not even through one full European season without the AGR. We need a larger sample size to make any conclusive judgements.
Furthermore, justice trumps excitement. An artificial tiebreaker is no way to govern the sport. As someone here said in this debate a few years ago, the AGR is so arbitrary that you could just as well have another tiebreaker, e.g. who scores first in the tie, and it would be just as arbitrary.
On 2022-03-18 08:52, Al Kamista wrote:Or which team had fewer yellow/red cards. It would also be "something that happened during the course of the game" to placate Mark Ogden's strange aversion to something happening on the pitch a few short minutes after extra time.
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 3:49:45 PM UTC-4, Futbolmetrix wrote:
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
ESPNFC asked three of its writers - Mark Ogden, Julien Laurens, and Alex Kirkland if they missed the AGR. Responses below.
Laurens: Absolutely not. It was a pointless and unfair rule. I can guarantee that United and Juventus, for example, would have played for a 0-0 draw at home in the second legs to go through. I'm sorry, but a team playing for a draw twice over two legs should not be able to qualify without going to a penalty shootout. Instead, we had some fascinating second legs where everybody had to attack and had to score. That's what football is about. As for the away goals rule posing a tactical challenge, that's ridiculous. All it used to do was make teams be more calculating and cautious.
The guy misses the point completely. The point of AGR should never have been about rewarding this team or the other. It's one way to settle ties. The direct effect of the abolition of AGR is that you have more minutes of the tie in which neither team is eliminated, and so neither of the two has incentives to take risks. Result: worse football.
This is all speculation. We are not even through one full European season without the AGR. We need a larger sample size to make any conclusive judgements.
Furthermore, justice trumps excitement. An artificial tiebreaker is no way to govern the sport. As someone here said in this debate a few years ago, the AGR is so arbitrary that you could just as well have another tiebreaker, e.g. who scores first in the tie, and it would be just as arbitrary.Or you could use something less arbitrary, such as which team had the
better record so far in the competition (as done in Mexico in their playoffs) that year, and if still unresolved go back to previous years
or the team's UEFA coefficient. Both of those criteria would make it
less likely that teams would mail it in once they had won their group or guaranteed progress to the next round.
ESPNFC asked three of its writers - Mark Ogden, Julien Laurens, and Alex Kirkland if they missed the AGR. Responses below.It's pretty simple really, any rule which incentivises a team to lose 2-1 rather than 5-4 is alien to the purpose of the game, particularly in an era where clubs are globalised multinational corporation fielding teams of influencer/entrepreneurs who couldn't care less what city/country/continent they're in at any given time.
Ogden is the sentimentalists, while Laurens of course gives the best response.
Do you miss the away goals rule?
On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 4:24:08 PM UTC, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
ESPNFC asked three of its writers - Mark Ogden, Julien Laurens, and Alex Kirkland if they missed the AGR. Responses below.
Ogden is the sentimentalists, while Laurens of course gives the best response.
Do you miss the away goals rule?
It's pretty simple really, any rule which incentivises a team to lose 2-1 rather than 5-4 is alien to the purpose of the game, particularly in an era where clubs are globalised multinational corporation fielding teams of influencer/entrepreneurs who couldn't care less what city/country/continent they're in at any given time.
Well there's a blast from the past ! How are you, Sheridan?
I agree with you on the away goal rule, btw.
On Saturday, April 23, 2022 at 11:44:05 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
Well there's a blast from the past ! How are you, Sheridan?
I agree with you on the away goal rule, btw.
Good, thanks! Well, the state of the world aside. Did you ever think back in the halcyon early-millennium RSS days that you'd be looking forward to Canada playing in the World Cup again?
On 2022-04-23 18:55, Sheridan Elliot wrote:
How is the Airtricity league? I check the results and standings everyI'm very sorry to hear that. I was in Sligo town a few weeks ago, it's a very underrated place. Lots of dereliction (like every Irish town), but some stunning architecture. The 19th-century town hall is modelled on a Venetian palazzo. Sadly, there were two shocking (arguably serial) killings in Sligo the weekend I was there - the perpetrator has since been arrested.
now and again, but with less regularity this last 8 years after my old friend Mick (a Sligo Rovers supporter) passed on (still in his 50s, alas).
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