Russia OUT
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for their illegal invasion of Iraq?
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:They will all be banned when they invade another country.
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for their illegal invasion of Iraq?
Slippery slope for sure.
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-6, alka...@hotmail.com wrote:Did not happen in 2003.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for their illegal invasion of Iraq?
Slippery slope for sure.They will all be banned when they invade another country.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion
martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimo avec procision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has
caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this
invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be
also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its
apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
their illegal invasion of Iraq?
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 2:40:08 PM UTC-5, Krishna Raja
Nadar wrote:
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:47:53 AM UTC-6,
alka...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixionThey will all be banned when they invade another country.
martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimo avec procision :I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this
invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be
also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its
apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
their illegal invasion of Iraq?
Slippery slope for sure.
Did not happen in 2003.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx
wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to
the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion.
Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do politics.
Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
politics.
It's not just about politics... it's about innocent people
dying.
You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actions
lead to a large scale war in Europe.
Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of the
game?
Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.
Blueshirt a formul|- la demande :
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
politics.
It's not just about politics... it's about innocent people dying.
Oh dear... Iraki people were not innocent ? Yemeni people are not
innocent ? Libyan people only have the right to die ? Palestinian
people do not count because Jewish suffered in the past ?
How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not consider
just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ? Just because
Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?
You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actions lead to a
large scale war in Europe.
Whether Russia is banned or not. It is not the purpose, here.
Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of the game?
Yes, some. During Blatter's time, even if it hurts me to say that.
But seeing Infantino...
Blueshirt a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.
Why ? Because you do not like Russia ?
Blueshirt a formul|- la demande :BOYCOTT UEFA, FIFA, ALL SPORTS BODIES THAT HAVE EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM THEIR COMPETITIONS!
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
politics.
It's not just about politics... it's about innocent peopleOh dear... Iraki people were not innocent ? Yemeni people are
dying.
not innocent ? Libyan people only have the right to die ?
Palestinian people do not count because Jewish suffered in the
past ?
How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not
consider just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ?
Just because Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?
You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actionsWhether Russia is banned or not. It is not the purpose, here.
lead to a large scale war in Europe.
Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of theYes, some. During Blatter's time, even if it hurts me to say
game?
that. But seeing Infantino...
--
Ixion
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 12:37:08 AM UTC+2, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Blueshirt a formul|- la demande :
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
politics.
It's not just about politics... it's about innocent peopleOh dear... Iraki people were not innocent ? Yemeni people are
dying.
not innocent ? Libyan people only have the right to die ?
Palestinian people do not count because Jewish suffered in the
past ?
How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not
consider just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ?
Just because Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?
You'll have no World Cup to watch if Russia's actionsWhether Russia is banned or not. It is not the purpose, here.
lead to a large scale war in Europe.
Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
Did FIFA ever have any credibility among proper fans of theYes, some. During Blatter's time, even if it hurts me to say
game?
that. But seeing Infantino...
--BOYCOTT UEFA, FIFA, ALL SPORTS BODIES THAT HAVE EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM THEIR COMPETITIONS!
Ixion
Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiom|iticos, Assiomatici et al.:
Allow me to make a few generalized remarks.
1. Sports should always be FREE of politics. Otherwise, sport is just a rCLslaverCY of the ruling political bodies. To be sure, the most compelling example was the Soviet Union.
USSR used sports as a blinding beam of propaganda. But USA has done the same thing, but in a far more sophisticated manner.
2. And this is my second point: SOPHISTICATION. The Americans are masters in PR (public relations). PR is so sophisticated that the US government is always right, no matter what.
To those authors in this grandiose thread: The United States HAS NEVER INVADED ANY COUNTRY rCo EVER. The USA has always been authorized by the United Nations to intervene in some regions of the globe in order to establish peace. Go back to Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II rCo The United Nations almost implored USA to intervene and establish peace and order.
On the other hand (the rCLleftrCY one), USSR and the offspring Russia have never gone to the United Nations and ask for authorization to intervene militarily in some geopolitical places. Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, Poland 1980, Afghanistan 1979, Georgia 2008, Crimea 2014, Donbas 2022... All those interventions were strongly condemned by the West and, implicitly, the United Nations. Had USSR/Russia asked for authorization, the UNO would have rejected the requests.
I strongly oppose the interference of politics in sports. I only think now of the Olympic Games. They would be of no interest to me. The Olympics would be ugly, non-competitive without Russia. I did hate the Soviets in sports, especially because they always back-handed the Romanian sports, gymnastics especially.
Therefore, I would boycott all sports that excluded Russia from under their umbrellas. I plea with each and everyone in this grandiose community to do the same. First, boycott UEFA, boycott FIFA! Let them know your opinion in an email or two.
I am not pro-Putin, pro-Trump, pro-Biden. Au contraire, I leveled serious criticism at them:
rCo https://saliu.com/oppressors-turncoats.html
rCo About-Face, Turncoats: Oppressors, Profiteers in Politics, Social Life
rCo https://forums.saliu.com/armageddon-jesus-trump.html
rCo Donald Trump, Armageddon: Jesus, Second Coming
rCo https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck/posts/10159682693029049
rCo Let Donbas go to Russia to avoid a human far-larger disaster, including nuclear annihilation of Terra
rCLBiden, Biden, bully bison,
Putin, Putin, you are lootin'!rCY
Ion SaliuThe sports should stay away of the politics problems
Founder of Mathematical Axiomaticism
rCo https://saliu.com/axiomatic.html
rCo Axiomatic: An Essay on Axiomaticism, Undeniable Truthfulness as Highest Human Quality.
So does Poland get a free ride to the final match against Czechia or Sweden?
The sports should stay away of the politics problems
Did not happen in 2003.
How can you explain you ban Russia now but you even did not
consider just for a while to ban United States since 2003 ?
Just because Poutin is devil and United Stated angels ?
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Blueshirt a exprimo avec procision :
Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.
Why ? Because you do not like Russia ?
Well, the the club I support is owned by a Russian, so that
is obviously not the case! Sanctions against Russia and
Russian people could well have a knock-on effect to my
football team and their future business.
But it's the right thing to do while the current situation is
ongoing.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 2:12:10 PM UTC-8, Krishna
Raja Nadar wrote:
So does Poland get a free ride to the final match against
Czechia or Sweden?
I'm assuming yes. Lemme look for something:
Stupidly enough, UEFA's website mentions nothing of the
ramification, though they do give the announcement.
The match is scheduled for March 24th -- if, by a certain
date before then, they are not reinstated, then Poland does
get the free ride, I would assume.
Blueshirt a pr|-sent|- l'|-nonc|- suivant :
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Blueshirt a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia should of course be kicked-out of everything.
Why ? Because you do not like Russia ?
Well, the the club I support is owned by a Russian, so that
is obviously not the case! Sanctions against Russia and
Russian people could well have a knock-on effect to my
football team and their future business.
But it's the right thing to do while the current situation isWhy not ?
ongoing.
But it is dangerous to judge who is good and who is bad. Some
people will consider that a part is the good one and other
people will consider that the opposite part is. What is FIFA,
if they want to gather all countries in the World, to judge
what is good and what is bad ?
I can be the devil's advocate and give some arguments to prove
that Russia attitude has legitimacy and that Ukrain is the dark
side. Off course you will say me I am a liar or that my
arguments are not good, but it is not the purpose.
And if your ultimate argument is to say that things changed
since 2003 (why not, after all) then you have to :
- ban Saudi Arabia for their actions in Yemen,
- ban Qatar for funding ISIS,
- ban Israel for abusing Palestinian,
- ban China for abusing Ouighours,
- ban Ethiopia for killing people of Tigre,
- ban Ukrain for killing people in Donbass,
(and I surely forget other).
If you only ban Russia (or moreover Belarus), it is ideology.
--Ion Saliu (royalty name: Parpaluck; every human, not only Boris Johnson, deserves a royalty-name and should boast one)
Ixion
The ultra-liberal media under the CNN umbrella demonizes the Russians while sanctifying the Ukrainians. I just saw a report on CNN virtually blaming the Russians for the massacre at Babi Yar in 1943.
UEFA should draft the next admissible team in the Nations
League so Hungary if I am not wrong.
Al Kamista vient de nous annoncer :It's a fair point to note that other nations who in the past carried out hostilities toward other countries weren't banned from football. However, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because we didn't seize the opportunity to ban countries for military aggression in the past doesn't mean we should have our hands tied from doing the right thing today.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion
martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA hasIf you ban Russia for what happens now, yes, you should ban
caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this
invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be
also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its
apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
their illegal invasion of Iraq?
Saudi Arabia, Isra|2l and you should have banned UK and US (and
even France, too).
Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
politics. Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
--
Ixion
On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 7:21:34 AM UTC-8, ixion martin
- GdBx wrote:
UEFA should draft the next admissible team in the Nations
League so Hungary if I am not wrong.
That would have to be done quickly to allow for the
assemblage of the squad.
Let me be clear on one thing:
If this goes where I think it's going, that we won't be having a
Qatar 2022 in November and December will be the LEAST of our problems.
But it is dangerous to judge who is good and who is bad. Some people
will consider that a part is the good one and other people will
consider that the opposite part is. What is FIFA, if they want to
gather all countries in the World, to judge what is good and what is
bad ?
I can be the devil's advocate and give some arguments to prove that
Russia attitude has legitimacy and that Ukrain is the dark side. Off
course you will say me I am a liar or that my arguments are not good,
but it is not the purpose.
And if your ultimate argument
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
But it is dangerous to judge who is good and who is bad. Some peopleClearly not all Russians are bad, (there are Russian people protesting against the Ukraine invasion in Moscow) and clearly not all Ukrainians
will consider that a part is the good one and other people will
consider that the opposite part is. What is FIFA, if they want to
gather all countries in the World, to judge what is good and what is
bad ?
are Saints. But FIFA were left with no choice but to ban Russia as
nobody was going to play them anyway. Poland said they would not play
Russia in their play-off semi-final later this month, before FIFA even issued their ban.
I can be the devil's advocate and give some arguments to prove thatNot at all, I live in the real world. I know that NATO have been
Russia attitude has legitimacy and that Ukrain is the dark side. Off course you will say me I am a liar or that my arguments are not good,
but it is not the purpose.
encroaching in to former Warsaw Pact countries and Russia might have legitimate concerns. I'm also well aware of the Azov Battalion and the
like in the Ukraine and stuff that's been going on in the Donbas
region, etc... I'm old enough to know nothing is ever black and white.
And if your ultimate argumentI don't have an ultimate argument. Nobody has said you are wrong. The position taken by "The West" is not consistent with other localised aggressions over the years. But in *this* scenario, because of the
possible long-term scenario if the events in the Ukraine escalate, and
the fears of us people living in Europe, sanctioning Russia is the only realistic option available. The other option could well be World War
III.
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
But it is dangerous to judge who is good and who is bad. Some people
will consider that a part is the good one and other people will
consider that the opposite part is. What is FIFA, if they want to
gather all countries in the World, to judge what is good and what is
bad ?
Clearly not all Russians are bad, (there are Russian people protesting against the Ukraine invasion in Moscow) and clearly not all Ukrainians
are Saints. But FIFA were left with no choice but to ban Russia as
nobody was going to play them anyway. Poland said they would not play
Russia in their play-off semi-final later this month, before FIFA even
issued their ban.
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:18:28 PM UTC, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Al Kamista vient de nous annoncer :
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixionIf you ban Russia for what happens now, yes, you should ban
martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has
caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this
invasion. Where is the line drawn? Should Saudi Arabia be
also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel for its
apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
their illegal invasion of Iraq?
Saudi Arabia, Isra|2l and you should have banned UK and US (and
even France, too).
Football uncluded FIFA had until now the quality not to do
politics. Now, they definitively lost all their credibility.
--
Ixion
It's a fair point to note that other nations who in the past carried out hostilities toward other countries weren't banned from football. However, two wrongs don't make a right. Just because we didn't seize the opportunity to ban countries for military aggression in the past doesn't mean we should have our hands tied from doing the right thing today.
Instead of trying to find injustices in the treatment of Russia compared to past treatment of other nations, let's view the Russian ban as a start of a new chapter, the marking of a new standard. If, in a few months time (say) the USA illegally invades Canada for no justifiable reason,
Finally, you suggest that sport and politics don't mix. I'm not sure this was ever the case, but where a country illegally invades another sovereign country and goes beyond the standard rules of engagement to shelling and bombing civilians, then I'm afraid every representative of the aggressor country is going to be viewed from a political lens and the Russian football team, whether playing under the Russian flag or that of the Russian Football Union, are no exception. In all walks of life Russia is being sanctioned for its actions in Ukraine and football should be no different.
Let us not forget that Ukraine could yet qualify for Qatar 2022. Had Russia not been banned, how could you expect Ukrainian players to play in the same tournament as the nation bombarding their country and killing their civilians? If they were to both progress far enough into the tournament you can only keep them apart so long.
RM
apparently we need to be "liberated" https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/28/
lauren-boebert-canada-liberated-ukraine/
then I agree they should be banned too.
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy and will all become friends again,
at least for a couple of weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia
reclaiming territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad. It is always about money.
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:Yes I am and unfourtanetly it is usually the case.
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy and will all become friends again,
at least for a couple of weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon manufacturers, nothing to do with RussiaAre you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine people having other motivations?
reclaiming territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad. It is always about money.
Ciao,
Werner
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 6:21:25 a.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy and will all become friends again,
at least for a couple of weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon manufacturers, nothing to do with RussiaAre you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine people having other motivations?
reclaiming territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad. It is always about money.
Ciao,Yes I am and unfourtanetly it is usually the case.
Werner
Are you so brainwashed by the media that you think this is only about Putin liberating and saving the good people of Ukrania? Or Madman Putin wanting to kill off the good people of Ukrania. There is always far more to the story, which ever one you chose to believe.
At the very least this is about Russia wanting Ukraine's vast agriculture and natural resources, he does not care about repatriating Russians back with Russia, You could have an argument that Hitler went into Poland and Czech to save the German speaking people, but that is not the case now with Putin.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimo avec procision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in to
the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion.
Where is the line drawn?
Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? Israel
for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
their illegal invasion of Iraq?
On 2022-03-02 15:08, Blueshirt wrote:
ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
But it is dangerous to judge who is good and who is bad. Some
people will consider that a part is the good one and other people
will consider that the opposite part is. What is FIFA, if they
want to gather all countries in the World, to judge what is good
and what is bad ?
Clearly not all Russians are bad, (there are Russian people
protesting against the Ukraine invasion in Moscow) and clearly not
all Ukrainians are Saints. But FIFA were left with no choice but to
ban Russia as nobody was going to play them anyway. Poland said
they would not play Russia in their play-off semi-final later this
month, before FIFA even issued their ban.
Sure. But with these things there is a lack of consistency. In some instances in the past when a country refused to play another one for
some reason, it was the country that refused that was banned.
On 2022-03-01, Al Kamista <alka...@hotmail.com> wrote:Boo fucking hoo.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprim|- avec pr|-cision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has caved-in toPoland, Czechia and Sweden have refused to play Russia. In this
the (predominantly) Western rage towards this invasion.
situation you can either ban Russia, or give them a free pass into the
World Cup. In the latter case, you'll have a World Cup with Russia and Serbia as the only UEFA sides. Good luck with that.
And yes, Europeans care more about a conflict in Europe, than aboutBut it's not a matter of how many here, but rather of whom. Might does not make right.
some remote conflict, where none of the parties will appreciate
intervention anyway.
Where is the line drawn?Where a sufficiently large group of countries care about it being
drawn.
Thank you for agreeing with me. The line is so subjective that sporting bodies should stay out of the matter entirely.Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in Yemen? IsraelIf Israel is your human rights bar, there won't be much left of CAF and AFC.
for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK have been banned for
their illegal invasion of Iraq?
On 2022-03-01, Al Kamista <alkamista@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 6:11:04 PM UTC-5, ixion
martin - GdBx wrote:
Krishna Raja Nadar a exprimo avec procision :
Russia OUT
Absolutely scandalous !
I am conflicted about this too. It seems that FIFA has
caved-in to the (predominantly) Western rage towards this
invasion.
Poland, Czechia and Sweden have refused to play Russia. In
this situation you can either ban Russia, or give them a free
pass into the World Cup.
In the latter case, you'll have a
World Cup with Russia and Serbia as the only UEFA sides. Good
luck with that.
And yes, Europeans care more about a conflict in Europe, than
about some remote conflict, where none of the parties will
appreciate intervention anyway.
Where is the line drawn?
Where a sufficiently large group of countries care about it
being drawn.
Should Saudi Arabia be also banned for its campaign in
Yemen? Israel for its apartheid policies? Should the US/UK
have been banned for their illegal invasion of Iraq?
If Israel is your human rights bar,
there won't be much left of CAF and AFC.
But in
*this* scenario, because of the possible long-term scenario
if the events in the Ukraine escalate, and the fears of us
people living in Europe, sanctioning Russia is the only
realistic option available. The other option could well be
World War III.
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder
Dundat wrote:
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common
enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy
and will all become friends again, at least for a couple of
weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and
Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is
behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon
manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia reclaiming
territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad.
It is always about money.
Are you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine
people having other motivations?
apparently we need to be "liberated" https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/28/lauren-boebert-canada-liberated-ukraine/
Blueshirt a pr|-sent|- l'|-nonc|- suivant :
But in this scenario, because of the possible long-term scenario
if the events in the Ukraine escalate, and the fears of us people
living in Europe, sanctioning Russia is the only realistic option available. The other option could well be World War III.
In football ? Seriously ?
You really think we have the risk of a WWIII if Russia is not banned
from WC ?
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32You really think we have the risk of a WWIII if Russia is not bannedDon't be silly, you know exactly what I mean. Banning Russia is part of
from WC ?
a [supposed] deterrent by "the west" as they are tooth-less in other
ways. FIFA were left with no choice for their part in it, as nations
said they would not play Russia. But even though FIFA were dragged down
that road, it was - and is - the right thing to do.
MH a couch|- sur son |-cran :
apparently we need to be "liberated"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/28/lauren-boebert-canada-liberated-ukraine/
Classic american overstatement.
But what happend in Canada is worrisome.
mad than ours is France which is not a small feat.
On 2022-03-04 01:16, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:Because the CDN govt called on the Emergency act which more or less gives them the ability to do anything they want, including closing your bank account if you donated to the hot tub trucker convoy or arresting you for standing in the wrong place.
MH a couch|- sur son |-cran :
apparently we need to be "liberated"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/28/lauren-boebert-canada-liberated-ukraine/
Classic american overstatement.Which part? Certainly it was disquieting that a small minority engaged
But what happend in Canada is worrisome.
in an illegal protest that made no sense (most "lockdown" regulations
are provincial, not federal; US had a cross border vaccine mandate too,
so Canada on its won could have done nothing about that part), and was tainted by some extremists views and a naive assertion that they could reverse the result of a democratic election held only months ago, where
most Canadians voted for progressive parties that espoused mandates. (By asking the GG to dissolve government - not within her power)
But on the other hand, the occasion was largely peaceful, and eventually resolved. No barricades (other than snow), no setting cars on fire, no looting,.....
Or are you concerned about the short-lived invocation of our Emergencies
act for the first time ?
Your gouvernant people are more
mad than ours is France which is not a small feat.?? Explain.
On 2022-03-04 01:16, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:There were some barricades and allegedly someone tried to light a building on fire, though I think that was local people using the situation to their advantage. The protest was always going to be an excuse to have a party after two years of lockdown, which is what this was, I live here I saw it, that is what it was, people re-connecting, the people may not have been my social crowd, but like you said peaceful and fun loving. There may have been some local people and businesses inconvenienced, but the main problem was the image of the street the Parliament buildings are located was closed for Electronic dance music, hot tubs, sauna, street hockey, fireworks and of course, drinking and drugs. It was a big Canada Day party, with no police, run remarkably well in my opinion. They had food stalls and coffee and child day care and all of this done during what is the coldest time of year, any other 3-4 week period would not have been as cold.
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apparently we need to be "liberated"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/02/28/lauren-boebert-canada-liberated-ukraine/
Classic american overstatement.Which part? Certainly it was disquieting that a small minority engaged
But what happend in Canada is worrisome.
in an illegal protest that made no sense (most "lockdown" regulations
are provincial, not federal; US had a cross border vaccine mandate too,
so Canada on its won could have done nothing about that part), and was tainted by some extremists views and a naive assertion that they could reverse the result of a democratic election held only months ago, where
most Canadians voted for progressive parties that espoused mandates. (By asking the GG to dissolve government - not within her power)
But on the other hand, the occasion was largely peaceful, and eventually resolved. No barricades (other than snow), no setting cars on fire, no looting,.....
Or are you concerned about the short-lived invocation of our EmergenciesFrance protests a lot more than we do and the govt use strong arm tactics, which for the most part we dont, until we did.
act for the first time ?
Your gouvernant people are more
mad than ours is France which is not a small feat.?? Explain.
Le 03/03/2022, Werner Pichler a suppos|- :So we agree that there are evil people who will literally walk over corpses to achieve money and/or power, but you find it inconceivable that there are evil people who will do the same thing because of their worldview?
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder
Dundat wrote:
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common
enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy
and will all become friends again, at least for a couple of
weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and
Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is
behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon
manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia reclaiming
territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad.
It is always about money.
Are you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine
people having other motivations?
People may have other motivations but imagining that Oil/gas
companies and weapon manufacturers may act to ease a big war to
have more money is not out of touch with reality. What is out
of touch with reality is believing that the opposite is
impossible.
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 9:13:16 AM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:Admittedly, with Putin targeting civilians, it is looking more like a madman with no agenda outside of death and destruction, but I think there has to be more to the story. Why did he wait until now, would you not want to stop "westernization" early, before people get a taste of western decadence and it is harder to make them go back to waiting in line for a pound of butter or driving a Lada.
Le 03/03/2022, Werner Pichler a suppos|- :
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder
Dundat wrote:
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common
enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy
and will all become friends again, at least for a couple of
weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and
Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is
behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon
manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia reclaiming
territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad.
It is always about money.
Are you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine
people having other motivations?
People may have other motivations but imagining that Oil/gasSo we agree that there are evil people who will literally walk over corpses to
companies and weapon manufacturers may act to ease a big war to
have more money is not out of touch with reality. What is out
of touch with reality is believing that the opposite is
impossible.
achieve money and/or power, but you find it inconceivable that there are evil
people who will do the same thing because of their worldview?
A desire for historical revenge is a far more powerful motivation than any petty conspiracyWhy target Nuclear Power plants, that not only hurts your victims, but the long (and short) term effects will hurt your side, this is where I can see evil fossil fuels companies somehow being behind this. You have a bunch of people who became rich from Gas, oil or coal and they see that revenue declining, all cars will be electric in 20 years, heat pumps and such will reduce the need for gas and oil heat, so they want to make as much as possible from their resources, before it ends.
to earn more money . Europeans should know from their own history what it does to the
psyche of a country and its leaders to lose a war, like France after 1870 and Germany after 1918.
It brings out the absolute worst.
In Putin's mind he wants to undo the 'catastrophe' of the Soviet Union's collapse.
He hasn't been secretive about that either.
Ciao,--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Werner
On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 6:08:19 a.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:Well, why did the Serbians besiege Sarajevo, shelling the city and sniping at civilians for close to four years without actually trying to militarily
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 9:13:16 AM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Le 03/03/2022, Werner Pichler a suppos|- :
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder
Dundat wrote:
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common
enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy
and will all become friends again, at least for a couple of
weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and
Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is
behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon
manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia reclaiming
territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad.
It is always about money.
Are you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine
people having other motivations?
People may have other motivations but imagining that Oil/gasSo we agree that there are evil people who will literally walk over corpses to
companies and weapon manufacturers may act to ease a big war to
have more money is not out of touch with reality. What is out
of touch with reality is believing that the opposite is
impossible.
achieve money and/or power, but you find it inconceivable that there are evil
people who will do the same thing because of their worldview?
Admittedly, with Putin targeting civilians, it is looking more like a madman with no agenda outside of death and destruction, but I think there has to be more to
the story.
On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:27:58 PM UTC+1, Binder Dundat wrote:Yup, it looks like death and destruction, how much death and destruction he can do is the question now. A Russian has to assassinate him soon.
On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 6:08:19 a.m. UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 9:13:16 AM UTC+1, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
Le 03/03/2022, Werner Pichler a suppos|- :
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:06:01 AM UTC+1, Binder
Dundat wrote:
What I see happening from all of this is that with a common
enemy, the Right wingers and lefties now have a common enemy
and will all become friends again, at least for a couple of
weeks. This is great for all the Trudeaus and Bidens and
Boris'.
The conspiracy theorist in me would like to know who is
behind this, I think Oil/gas companies and obviously weapon
manufacturers, nothing to do with Russia reclaiming
territory or wanting Ukraine resources or Putin going mad.
It is always about money.
Are you so brainwashed by capitalism that you cannot imagine
people having other motivations?
People may have other motivations but imagining that Oil/gasSo we agree that there are evil people who will literally walk over corpses to
companies and weapon manufacturers may act to ease a big war to
have more money is not out of touch with reality. What is out
of touch with reality is believing that the opposite is
impossible.
achieve money and/or power, but you find it inconceivable that there are evil
people who will do the same thing because of their worldview?
Admittedly, with Putin targeting civilians, it is looking more like a madman with no agenda outside of death and destruction, but I think there has to be more toWell, why did the Serbians besiege Sarajevo, shelling the city and sniping at civilians for close to four years without actually trying to militarily
the story.
occupy the city? To a degree because of deterrence, but mostly to drive up the human cost as a bargaining chip and force the hand of their
opponents on the negotiating table.
To all appearances, Russia miscalculated badly. To create death and destruction looks more and more like the sole remaining way to 'win'.
Ciao,
Werner
BOYCOTT UEFA, FIFA, ALL SPORTS BODIES THAT HAVE EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM THEIR COMPETITIONS!
Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiom|iticos, Assiomatici et al.:
Allow me to make a few generalized remarks.
1. Sports should always be FREE of politics. Otherwise, sport is just a rCLslaverCY of the ruling political bodies. To be sure, the most compelling example was the Soviet Union.
USSR used sports as a blinding beam of propaganda. But USA has done the same thing, but in a far more sophisticated manner.
2. And this is my second point: SOPHISTICATION. The Americans are masters in PR (public relations). PR is so sophisticated that the US government is always right, no matter what.
To those authors in this grandiose thread: The United States HAS NEVER INVADED ANY COUNTRY rCo EVER. The USA has always been authorized by the United Nations to intervene in some regions of the globe in order to establish peace. Go back to Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II rCo The United Nations almost implored USA to intervene and establish peace and order.
On the other hand (the rCLleftrCY one), USSR and the offspring Russia have never gone to the United Nations and ask for authorization to intervene militarily in some geopolitical places. Budapest 1956, Prague 1968, Poland 1980, Afghanistan 1979, Georgia 2008, Crimea 2014, Donbas 2022... All those interventions were strongly condemned by the West and, implicitly, the United Nations. Had USSR/Russia asked for authorization, the UNO would have rejected the requests.
I strongly oppose the interference of politics in sports. I only think now of the Olympic Games. They would be of no interest to me. The Olympics would be ugly, non-competitive without Russia. I did hate the Soviets in sports, especially because they always back-handed the Romanian sports, gymnastics especially.
Therefore, I would boycott all sports that excluded Russia from under their umbrellas. I plea with each and everyone in this grandiose community to do the same. First, boycott UEFA, boycott FIFA! Let them know your opinion in an email or two.
I am not pro-Putin, pro-Trump, pro-Biden. Au contraire, I leveled serious criticism at them:
rCo https://saliu.com/oppressors-turncoats.html
rCo About-Face, Turncoats: Oppressors, Profiteers in Politics, Social Life
rCo https://forums.saliu.com/armageddon-jesus-trump.html
rCo Donald Trump, Armageddon: Jesus, Second Coming
rCo https://www.facebook.com/Parpaluck/posts/10159682693029049
rCo Let Donbas go to Russia to avoid a human far-larger disaster, including nuclear annihilation of Terra
rCLBiden, Biden, bully bison,
Putin, Putin, you are lootin'!rCY
Ion SaliuMircea Lucescu, the head coach of Dynamo Kiev, opposes the exclusion of the Russian athletes from international competitions.
Founder of Mathematical Axiomaticism
rCo https://saliu.com/axiomatic.html
rCo Axiomatic: An Essay on Axiomaticism, Undeniable Truthfulness as Highest Human Quality.
Putin apologism, I see.
Michael Falkner wrote:
Putin apologism, I see.
Whether it is or isn't is pretty much irrelevant now... we are past the
point of no return.
People can dislike Russia's exclusion from sporting competitions as
much as they like, but as every day passes Russia becomes more and more
of a pariah state.
The toothpaste cannot be put back in to the tube now...
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