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  • Kicker Bundesliga Ratings Winter 2021/22

    From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jan 6 18:47:55 2022
    In brackets the player's position in the previous ranking (Summer 2021)
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    Goalkeepers
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    None
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    1. Manuel Neuer / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (IK-1)
    2. Mark Flekken / NED / SC Freiburg (-)
    3. Gregor Kobel / SUI / Borussia Dortmund) (NK-6)
    4. Yann Sommer / SUI / M||nchengladbach (IK-3)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    5. Stefan Ortega / GER / Arminia Bielefeld (IK-5)
    6. Manuel Riemann / GER / VfL Bochum (-)
    7. Oliver Baumann / GER / Hoffenheim (-)
    8. P|-ter Gul|icsi / HUN / RB Leipzig (IK-4)
    9. Kevin Trapp / GER / Eintracht Frankfurt (NK-11)
    Shorter list than usual. No more Casteels (#2 in summer), Gikiewicz,
    Hradecky, Horn,...
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    Central Defenders
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    none
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    1. Nico Schlotterbeck / GER / SC Freiburg (NK-18)
    2. Niklas S|+le / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (-)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    3. Manuel Akanji / SUI / Borussia Dortmund (NK-8)
    4. Dayot Upamecano / FRA / Bayern M|+nchen (-)
    5. Moussa Niakhat|- / FRA / FSV Mainz 05 (NK-6)
    6. Evan N'Dicka / FRA / Eintracht Frankfurt (-)
    7. Philipp Lienhart / AUT / SC Freiburg (-)
    8. Lucas Hern|indez / FRA / Bayern M|+nchen (NK-3 FB)
    9. Kevin Vogt / GER / Hoffenheim (-)
    10. Stefan Bell / GER / FSV Mainz 05 (NK-16)
    11. Jonathan Tah / GER / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
    12. Lukas Klostermann / GER / RB Leipzig (-)
    13. Reece Oxford / ENG / FC Augsburg (-)
    14. Rafael Czichos / GER / 1. FC K||ln (transferred to Chicago Fire) (-)
    15. Alexander Hack / GER / FSV Mainz 05 (-)
    16. Jo+iko Gvardiol / CRO / RB Leipzig (-)
    The best defender in the summer ranking (Alaba) has left the league, the second-best (Hummels) is getting old, the third-best (Orb|in) became a
    victim of the new manager's system.
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    Fullbacks ('defensive laterals')
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    none
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    1. Alphonso Davies / CAN / Bayern M|+nchen (-)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    2. Christian G|+nter / GER / SC Freiburg (NK-4)
    3. Jonas Hector / GER / 1. FC K||ln (IK-7 Def. MF)
    4. David Raum / GER / Hoffenheim (-)
    5. Jeremie Frimpong / NED / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
    6. Benno Schmitz / GER / 1. FC K||ln (-)
    7. Silvan Widmer / SUI / FSV Mainz 05 (-)
    8. Angeli|#o / ESP / RB Leipzig (NK-2)
    9. Thomas Meunier / BEL / Borussia Dortmund (-)
    10. Piero Hincapi|- / ECU / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
    11. C|-dric Brunner / SUI / Arminia Bielefeld (-)
    A couple of interesting new names on what's usually the shortest list in
    these rankings.
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    Defensive Midfielders
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    none
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    1. Joshua Kimmich / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (IK-2)
    2. Leon Goretzka / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (IK-1)
    3. Ellyes Skhiri / TUN / 1. FC K||ln (NK-13)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    4. Nicolas H||fler / GER / SC Freiburg (-)
    5. Djibril Sow / SUI / Eintracht Frankfurt (-)
    6. Robert Andrich / GER / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
    7. Dejan Ljubi-ii-c / AUT / 1. FC K||ln (-)
    8. Florian Grillitsch / AUT / Hoffenheim (NK-10)
    9. Denis Zakaria / SUI / M||nchengladbach (-)
    10. Salih |uzcan / GER / 1. FC K||ln (-)
    11. Dennis Geiger / GER / Hoffenheim (-)
    Three K||ln players? Is that right?
    Sabitzer should have stayed in Leipzig.
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    Offensive Midfielders
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    1. Thomas M|+ller / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (IK-1)
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    2. Florian Wirtz / GER / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
    3. Christopher Nkunku / FRA / RB Leipzig (NK-3)
    4. Jude Bellingham / ENG / Borussia Dortmund (IK-6 Def. MF)
    5. Jonas Hofmann / GER / M||nchengladbach (-)
    6. Marco Reus / GER / Borussia Dortmund (IK-2)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    7. Emil Forsberg / SWE / RB Leipzig (NK-7 Wingers)
    8. Julian Brandt / GER / Borussia Dortmund (-)
    9. Mark Uth / GER / 1. FC K||ln (-)
    10. Jae-Sung Lee / KOR / FSV Mainz 05 (-)
    Most notable names missing are Dani Olmo and Lars Stindl.
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    Wingers ('offensive laterals')
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    none
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    1. Leroy San|- / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (-)6
    2. Kingsley Coman / FRA / Bayern M|+nchen (NK-3)
    3. Serge Gnabry / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (NK-5)
    4. Vincenzo Grifo / ITA / SC Freiburg (NK-10)
    5. Jamal Musiala / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (-)
    6. Filip Kosti-c / SRB / Eintracht Frankfurt (IK-2)
    7. Moussa Diaby / FRA / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    8. Patrick Wimmer / AUT / Arminia Bielefeld (-)
    A bit weird to have only one player in the National Class list.
    Ridle Baku probably the biggest name missing here.
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    Strikers
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    1. Robert Lewandowski / POL / Bayern M|+nchen (WK-1)
    2. Erling Braut Haaland / NOR / Borussia Dortmund (WK-2)
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    3. Patrik Schick / CZE / Bayer Leverkusen (NK-9)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    4. Anthony Modeste / FRA / 1. FC K||ln (-)
    5. Taiwo Awoniyi / NGA / Union Berlin (-)
    6. Lucas H||ler / GER / SC Freiburg (-)
    7. Jonathan Burkardt / GER / FSV Mainz 05 (-)
    8. Yussuf Poulsen / DEN / RB Leipzig (NK-10)
    9. Andrej Kramari-c / CRO / Hoffenheim (IK-4)
    10. Stevan Joveti-c / MNE / Hertha BSC (-)
    11. Max Kruse / GER / Union Berlin (-)
    12. Karim Onisiwo / AUT / FSV Mainz 05 (NK-8)
    13. Georginio Rutter / FRA / Hoffenheim (-)
    Andr|- Silva and Wout Weghorst the most notable exclusions.
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    Germans Abroad to follow.
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    Ciao,
    Werner
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 7 20:18:21 2022
    On 2022-01-07, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
    In brackets the player's position in the previous ranking (Summer 2021)


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    Goalkeepers


    Weltklasse (World Class)

    None


    Internationale Klasse (International Class)

    1. Manuel Neuer / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (IK-1)
    2. Mark Flekken / NED / SC Freiburg (-)

    Mark Flekken: https://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2018/feb/26/ingolstadt-score-while-duisburg-keeper-takes-a-drink-during-game-video-mark-flekken
    Not Mark Flekken: https://youtu.be/su14KZvlXmw?t=85

    The first video leaves out a lot of context.

    Central Defenders


    Weltklasse (World Class)

    none


    Internationale Klasse (International Class)

    1. Nico Schlotterbeck / GER / SC Freiburg (NK-18)
    2. Niklas S|+le / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (-)

    Who would have predicted that?

    Nationale Klasse (National Class)

    3. Manuel Akanji / SUI / Borussia Dortmund (NK-8)
    4. Dayot Upamecano / FRA / Bayern M|+nchen (-)

    Too inconsistent for a higher ranking.

    Fullbacks ('defensive laterals')


    Weltklasse (World Class)

    none


    A couple of interesting new names on what's usually the shortest list in these rankings.

    Not a lot of quality in that list.

    Defensive Midfielders


    Three K||ln players? Is that right?
    Sabitzer should have stayed in Leipzig.

    Yes.

    Offensive Midfielders


    Weltklasse (World Class)

    1. Thomas M|+ller / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (IK-1)

    Old man.

    Internationale Klasse (International Class)

    2. Florian Wirtz / GER / Bayer Leverkusen (-)
    3. Christopher Nkunku / FRA / RB Leipzig (NK-3)
    4. Jude Bellingham / ENG / Borussia Dortmund (IK-6 Def. MF)

    Followed by kids.

    5. Jonas Hofmann / GER / M||nchengladbach (-)
    6. Marco Reus / GER / Borussia Dortmund (IK-2)


    Wingers ('offensive laterals')


    Weltklasse (World Class)

    none


    Internationale Klasse (International Class)

    1. Leroy San|- / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (-)6
    2. Kingsley Coman / FRA / Bayern M|+nchen (NK-3)
    3. Serge Gnabry / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (NK-5)
    4. Vincenzo Grifo / ITA / SC Freiburg (NK-10)
    5. Jamal Musiala / GER / Bayern M|+nchen (-)


    6. Filip Kosti-c / SRB / Eintracht Frankfurt (IK-2)
    7. Moussa Diaby / FRA / Bayer Leverkusen (-)


    Nationale Klasse (National Class)

    8. Patrick Wimmer / AUT / Arminia Bielefeld (-)


    A bit weird to have only one player in the National Class list.
    Ridle Baku probably the biggest name missing here.

    Wolfsburg has dragged him down.

    Strikers


    Weltklasse (World Class)

    1. Robert Lewandowski / POL / Bayern M|+nchen (WK-1)
    2. Erling Braut Haaland / NOR / Borussia Dortmund (WK-2)


    Internationale Klasse (International Class)

    3. Patrik Schick / CZE / Bayer Leverkusen (NK-9)

    An easy one to put together.

    Nationale Klasse (National Class)

    4. Anthony Modeste / FRA / 1. FC K||ln (-)
    5. Taiwo Awoniyi / NGA / Union Berlin (-)
    6. Lucas H||ler / GER / SC Freiburg (-)
    7. Jonathan Burkardt / GER / FSV Mainz 05 (-)
    8. Yussuf Poulsen / DEN / RB Leipzig (NK-10)
    9. Andrej Kramari-c / CRO / Hoffenheim (IK-4)
    10. Stevan Joveti-c / MNE / Hertha BSC (-)
    11. Max Kruse / GER / Union Berlin (-)
    12. Karim Onisiwo / AUT / FSV Mainz 05 (NK-8)
    13. Georginio Rutter / FRA / Hoffenheim (-)


    Andr|- Silva and Wout Weghorst the most notable exclusions.

    Silva should have stayed in Frankfurt.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jan 9 00:53:51 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 9:18:24 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    On 2022-01-07, Werner Pichler <wpic...@gmail.com> wrote:
    In brackets the player's position in the previous ranking (Summer 2021)



    Sabitzer should have stayed in Leipzig.

    Yes.
    He definitely never had to play left-back there.
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    Germans Abroad
    Top Leagues
    Weltklasse (World Class)
    None
    Internationale Klasse (International Class)
    Antonio R|+diger / Chelsea (IK)
    -#lkay G|+ndo-fan / Manchester City (IK)
    Toni Kroos / Real Madrid (IK)
    Nationale Klasse (National Class)
    Marc-Andr|- Ter Stegen / Barcelona (IK)
    Vitaly Janelt / Brentford (A average leagues)
    Kai Havertz / Chelsea (IK)
    Kevin Volland / AS Monaco (NK)
    No Werner, for obvious reasons. Boateng didn't make the grade either.
    Gosens is injured.
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    Average Leagues
    Herausragend ('Excellent')
    Julian Weigl / Benfica (A)
    Hany Mukhtar / Nashville SC (A)
    Karim Adeyemi / Salzburg (-)
    Deniz Undav / Union Saint-Gilloise (-)
    Auff|nllig ('Conspicuous')
    Lars Unnerstall / Twente (-)
    Patrick Bauer / Preston North End (-)
    Christopher Braun / Boto+Oani (-)
    Maximilian Vittek / Vitesse (A)
    Eric Martel / Austria Wien (on loan from Leipzig) (-)
    Mario G||tze / PSV (A)
    Mesut |uzil / Fenerbah|oe (-)
    Lukas Podolski / G||rnik Zabrze (-)
    Mergim Berisha / Fenerbah|oe (H)

    Boto+Oani. Sure.
    Last hurrahs for |uzil and Podolski.
    Ciao,
    Werner
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jan 10 08:33:20 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 8:53:52 AM UTC, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Germans Abroad


    Internationale Klasse (International Class)

    Sara Dabritz
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)