• RSS World Class XI [12th edition] - Vote!

    From milivella@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 7 01:26:45 2022
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.

    You can only vote a player under his main position according to www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you can
    vote for players not listed there; just check their main position on Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of position, the vote will
    be transferred to the same player in his "official" position.

    For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
    point to each in any case.

    3 days to vote.

    Shortlist
    =========

    GK
    Alisson
    Courtois
    Donnarumma
    Ederson
    Maignan
    Emi Martinez
    Edouard Mendy
    Oblak
    Pickford
    Ramsdale
    Simon
    ter Stegen

    RB
    Alexander-Arnold
    Calabria
    Cancelo
    Castagne
    Di Lorenzo
    Emerson Royal
    Hakimi
    Reece James
    Mukiele
    Pavard
    Ricardo Pereira
    Porro
    Semedo
    Tomiyasu
    Walker
    Wan-Bissaka

    CB/SW [name at least two]
    Alaba
    Bastoni
    Diego Carlos
    Ruben Dias
    van Dijk
    Gimenez
    Lucas Hernandez
    Koulibaly
    Kounde
    Laporte
    de Ligt
    Maguire
    Marquinhos
    Militao
    Skriniar
    Soyuncu
    Pau Torres
    Tomori
    Upamecano
    Varane
    de Vrij

    LB
    Chilwell
    Davies
    Gaya
    Guerreiro
    Theo Hernandez
    Nuno Mendes
    Ferlan Mendy
    Robertson
    Shaw
    Tierney

    DM
    Brozovic
    Casemiro
    Fabinho
    Jorginho
    Kante
    Kimmich
    Ndindi
    Neves
    Partey
    Phillips
    Rice
    Rodri
    Soucek
    Tchouameni

    CM
    Barella
    Bellingham
    Camavinga
    Foden
    Goretzka
    Frenkie de Jong
    Marcos Llorente
    Milinkovic-Savic
    Pedri
    Pogba
    Fabian Ruiz
    Tielemans
    Valverde
    Verratti

    RW/RM
    Asensio
    Chiesa
    Coman
    Gnabry
    Greenwood
    Lozano
    Mahrez
    Messi
    Pulisic
    Raphinha
    Rodrygo
    Salah
    Ferran Torres

    AM/SS
    De Bruyne
    Dybala
    Felix
    Bruno Fernandes
    Griezmann
    Havertz
    Maddison
    Mount
    Musiala
    Nkunku
    Olmo
    Bernardo Silva
    Wirtz
    Zielinski

    LW/LM
    Grealish
    Mane
    Neymar
    Oyarbazal
    Rashford
    Sancho
    Sane
    Son
    Sterling
    Vinicius Junior

    CF
    Jonathan David
    Gabriel Jesus
    Haaland
    Kane
    Lewandowski
    Lukaku
    Lautaro Martinez
    Mbappe
    Osimhen
    Richarlison
    Vlahovic
    Werner

    Past editions
    =============

    April 2011

    GK Neuer
    RD Bosingwa / Maicon
    CD Vidic
    CD Alex / Carvalho
    LD Cole
    DM Busquets
    CM Xavi
    RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Messi
    CAM van der Vaart
    LAM Arshavin / Iniesta / Modric / Oezil
    ST Rooney or Tevez

    Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/
    Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/

    ---

    January 2012

    GK Neuer
    RD Puyol
    CD Pique
    CD Kompany / Thiago Silva
    LD Lahm
    DM Busquets
    CM Xavi
    RAM Messi
    CAM Iniesta
    LAM Silva
    ST Cristiano Ronaldo

    Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/d3469c85418120d6/
    Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b81e74f03b580578/

    ---

    January 2013

    GK Hart
    RD Lahm
    CD Thiago Silva
    CD Pique
    LD Alba
    DM Busquets
    CM Pirlo / Xavi
    RAM Goetze
    CAM Messi
    LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
    ST Falcao

    If one could clone players:
    GK Hart
    RD Lahm
    CD Thiago Silva
    CD Pique
    LD Alba
    DM Busquets
    CM Pirlo / Xavi
    * RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Goetze
    CAM Messi
    LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
    * ST Messi

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/IoMxsHBSDLY
    Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/-HfLOJx5b7M

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    January 2014

    GK Neuer
    RD Lahm
    CD Thiago Silva
  • From milivella@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 7 01:40:24 2022
    Just to get the ball rolling:

    GK

    Edouard Mendy

    RB

    Alexander-Arnold

    CB/SW [name at least two]

    Ruben Dias, van Dijk, Marquinhos

    LB

    Theo Hernandez, Robertson

    DM

    Kante, Kimmich

    CM

    Pedri, Valverde

    RW/RM

    Salah

    AM/SS

    De Bruyne

    LW/LM

    Vinicius Junior

    CF

    Benzema, Haaland, Lewandowski, Mbappe

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    milivella
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  • From Blueshirt@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 7 13:45:01 2022
    milivella wrote:

    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the
    best in the world in a year.

    You can only vote a player under his main position according to www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you
    can vote for players not listed there; just check their main
    position on Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of
    position, the vote will be transferred to the same player in his
    "official" position.

    For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
    point to each in any case.

    3 days to vote.

    Okay...

    GK

    Edouard Mendy

    RB

    Reece James

    CB/SW [name at least two]

    Kounde, Laporte

    LB

    Robertson

    DM

    Kimmich, Rodri

    CM

    Foden

    RW/RM

    Mo Salah, Pulisic

    AM/SS

    De Bruyne

    LW/LM

    Vinicius Junior, Sancho

    CF

    Haaland, Mbappe
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 7 08:31:03 2022
    On 2022-01-06 17:26, milivella wrote:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.

    This is the difficult part for me. "in a year". First of all I think
    most people ignore this in their selections. Second, as a scientist, I
    can't be "sure" of anything. All my selections could quite easily suffer devastating injuries, loss of form, deep-seated unresolved emotional
    conflicts or whatever. The pressure to conform to a fixed formation and positions is also a problem - and the way you slice it up here is
    probably worse than Kicker's. At least kicker does not fixate on which
    side of the field the wide players operate.

    With those caveats:

    GK: Courtois, Ramsdale
    LB: Davies, Tierney
    RB: Alexander Arnold, Hakimi
    CD: Van Dijk, Ruben Dias, Upamecano
    DM: Kimmich, Rodri, Fabinho, Rice
    CM: Your short list is awfully unimpressive. Some of the ones listed as
    DM would be better than any here. Goretzka I guess. Mount too, though
    he is listed elsewhere. Pedri ?
    AM/SS : Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne, Nkunku
    LW: Neymar, Vinicius Junior
    RW: Salah, Chiesa
    S: Haaland, Mbappe





    You can only vote a player under his main position according to www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you can
    vote for players not listed there; just check their main position on Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of position, the vote will
    be transferred to the same player in his "official" position.

    For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
    point to each in any case.

    3 days to vote.of

    Shortlist
    =========

    GK
    Alisson
    Courtois
    Donnarumma
    Ederson
    Maignan
    Emi Martinez
    Edouard Mendy
    Oblak
    Pickford
    Ramsdale
    Simon
    ter Stegen

    RB
    Alexander-Arnold
    Calabria
    Cancelo
    Castagne
    Di Lorenzo
    Emerson Royal
    Hakimi
    Reece James
    Mukiele
    Pavard
    Ricardo Pereira
    Porro
    Semedo
    Tomiyasu
    Walker
    Wan-Bissaka

    CB/SW [name at least two]
    Alaba
    Bastoni
    Diego Carlos
    Ruben Dias
    van Dijk
    Gimenez
    Lucas Hernandez
    Koulibaly
    Kounde
    Laporte
    de Ligt
    Maguire
    Marquinhos
    Militao
    Skriniar
    Soyuncu
    Pau Torres
    Tomori
    Upamecano
    Varane
    de Vrij

    LB
    Chilwell
    Davies
    Gaya
    Guerreiro
    Theo Hernandez
    Nuno Mendes
    Ferlan Mendy
    Robertson
    Shaw
    Tierney

    DM
    Brozovic
    Casemiro
    Fabinho
    Jorginho
    Kante
    Kimmich
    Ndindi
    Neves
    Partey
    Phillips
    Rice
    Rodri
    Soucek
    Tchouameni

    CM
    Barella
    Bellingham
    Camavinga
    Foden
    Goretzka
    Frenkie de Jong
    Marcos Llorente
    Milinkovic-Savic
    Pedri
    Pogba
    Fabian Ruiz
    Tielemans
    Valverde
    Verratti

    RW/RM
    Asensio
    Chiesa
    Coman
    Gnabry
    Greenwood
    Lozano
    Mahrez
    Messi
    Pulisic
    Raphinha
    Rodrygo
    Salah
    Ferran Torres

    AM/SS
    De Bruyne
    Dybala
    Felix
    Bruno Fernandes
    Griezmann
    Havertz
    Maddison
    Mount
    Musiala
    Nkunku
    Olmo
    Bernardo Silva
    Wirtz
    Zielinski

    LW/LM
    Grealish
    Mane
    Neymar
    Oyarbazal
    Rashford
    Sancho
    Sane
    Son
    Sterling
    Vinicius Junior

    CF
    Jonathan David
    Gabriel Jesus
    Haaland
    Kane
    Lewandowski
    Lukaku
    Lautaro Martinez
    Mbappe
    Osimhen
    Richarlison
    Vlahovic
    Werner

    Past editions
    =============

    April 2011

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Bosingwa / Maicon
    CD-a Vidic
    CD-a Alex / Carvalho
    LD-a Cole
    DM-a Busquets
    CM-a Xavi
    RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Messi
    CAM van der Vaart
    LAM Arshavin / Iniesta / Modric / Oezil
    ST-a Rooney or Tevez

    Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/

    Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/


    ---

    January 2012

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Puyol
    CD-a Pique
    CD-a Kompany / Thiago Silva
    LD-a Lahm
    DM-a Busquets
    CM-a Xavi
    RAM Messi
    CAM Iniesta
    LAM Silva
    ST-a Cristiano Ronaldo

    Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/d3469c85418120d6/

    Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b81e74f03b580578/


    ---

    January 2013

    GK-a Hart
    RD-a Lahm
    CD-a Thiago Silva
    CD-a Pique
    LD-a Alba
    DM-a Busquets
    CM-a Pirlo / Xavi
    RAM Goetze
    CAM Messi
    LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
    ST-a Falcao

    If one could clone players:
    -a GK-a Hart
    -a RD-a Lahm
    -a CD-a Thiago Silva
    -a CD-a Pique
    -a LD-a Alba
    -a DM-a Busquets
    -a CM-a Pirlo / Xavi
    * RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Goetze
    -a CAM Messi
    -a LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
    * ST-a Messi

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/IoMxsHBSDLY

    Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/-HfLOJx5b7M


    ---

    January 2014

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Lahm
    CD-a Thiago Silva
    CD-a Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
    LD-a Alaba
    DM-a Yaya Toure
    CM-a Schweinsteiger
    RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Silva
    CAM Rooney
    LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
    ST-a Messi / Suarez

    If one could clone players:

    -a GK-a Neuer
    -a RD-a Lahm
    -a CD-a Thiago Silva
    -a CD-a Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
    -a LD-a Alaba
    -a DM-a Yaya Toure
    * CM-a Schweinsteiger / Yaya Toure
    * RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo / Silva
    -a CAM Rooney
    -a LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
    -a ST-a Messi or Suarez

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/f7MMLAiYqMs Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/iM5KyjH7FBc

    ---

    January 2015

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Lahm
    CD-a Boateng
    CD-a Benatia / Marquinhos / Ramos / Varane
    LD-a Alaba
    DM-a Matic
    CM-a Kroos
    RAM Di Maria / Robben
    CAM James Rodriguez
    LAM Bale / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo
    ST-a Messi

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/e4HnzeR_rRs Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/K1KY3nz3l8w

    Experimental edition:
    - Poll:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/ZJs16SC50LE
    - Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8AvyguY0ns8

    ---

    January 2016

    GK Neuer
    RB Lahm
    CD Pique
    CD Boateng
    LB Alaba
    WM Bale
    CM Iniesta
    WM De Bruyne
    FW Messi
    FW Suarez
    FW Neymar

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/P5pdR0Uc8yM Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/o4MWf3MH8kU


    ---

    January 2017

    GK-a-a-a de Gea
    RB-a-a-a Carvajal
    CB/SW Bonucci
    CB/SW Ramos
    LB-a-a-a Alaba
    DM-a-a-a Kante
    CM-a-a-a Kroos / Modric
    RW/LM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Cristiano Ronaldo
    CF-a-a-a Suarez

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6UWN6ktrqbM Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/rpcAwSMM32w

    ---

    January 2018

    GK-a-a-a de Gea
    RB-a-a-a Carvajal / Kimmich
    CB/SW Ramos
    CB/SW Varane
    LB-a-a-a Marcelo
    DM-a-a-a Kante
    CM-a-a-a Kroos / Modric / Pogba
    RW/RM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Neymar
    CF-a-a-a Cristiano Ronaldo / Kane

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/RTWgAAq1XYU Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8fgIJv6B0Bg

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    January 2019

    GK-a-a-a de Gea
    RB-a-a-a Kimmich
    CB/SW van Dijk
    CB/SW Varane
    LB-a-a-a Marcelo / Mendy
    DM-a-a-a Busquets
    CM-a-a-a Kante
    RW/RM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Hazard / Cristiano Ronaldo
    CF-a-a-a Kane

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6-4fQUsuu-E Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/9k-30BqDpfQ

    ---

    February 2020

    GK-a-a-a Alisson
    RB-a-a-a Alexander-Arnold
    CB/SW van Dijk
    CB/SW de Ligt
    LB-a-a-a Robertson
    DM-a-a-a Casemiro
    CM-a-a-a Kante
    RW/RM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Mane
    CF-a-a-a Lewandowski

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/KyXKA0E-Mz8 Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/b-ORao8xhng

    ---

    February 2021

    GK-a-a-a Oblak
    RB-a-a-a Alexander-Arnold / Reece James
    CB/SW Dias
    CB/SW van Dijk
    LB-a-a-a Robertson
    DM-a-a-a Kimmich
    CM-a-a-a Gundogan
    RW/RM Bernardo Silva / Messi
    AM/SS Bruno Fernades
    LW/LM Neymar
    CF-a-a-a Haaland

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/6YvNwJlZ44o
    Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/dLO1Kilz7aI

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    milivella
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  • From Alberto Vella@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 7 10:02:41 2022
    GK: Donnarumma

    RB: Cancelo
    CB/SW: Ruben Dias - Koulibaly
    LB: Davies

    DM: Jorginho
    CM: Barella

    RW/RM: Salah
    AM/SS: De Bruyne
    LW/LM: Sterling

    CF: Lewandowski
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  • From Binder Dundat@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Jan 7 11:09:33 2022
    As a non Scientist, who does not trust the science -but not like a Fox news guy- my predictions, for whom I think will play goodly in 2022, here are my totally non scientific picks.
    GK: Donarumma
    LB: Davies
    RB: Alexander Arnold
    CD: Upamecano
    DM: Kimmich
    CM: Szoblasi (the hungarian kid who plays for Red bull)
    AM/SS : Jao Felix
    LW: Wirtz
    RW: Chiesa
    S: Haaland
    SuperSub: Marko Marin
    I hope none of them are over 25, but yeah, no reason tothink that guys like Salah, Lewa, Van Diyk etc still wont be the best next year. So my picks are more young stars, I eman who knows, maybe Chouppo Motting has a great season and wins the African Cup and UCL this year and is top scorer in both.
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  • From Jay Kat@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jan 9 12:17:30 2022

    GK - Donnarumma
    RB - Hakimi
    CB/SW - Koulibaly, de Ligt
    LB - Theo Hernandez
    DM - Jorginho
    CM - Barella, Fabian Ruiz
    RW/RM - Chiesa
    AM/SS - De Bruyne
    LW/LM - Neymar
    CF - Haaland
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  • From Al Kamista@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jan 9 15:59:06 2022
    On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 7:26:56 PM UTC-5, milivella wrote:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.

    You can only vote a player under his main position according to www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you can
    vote for players not listed there; just check their main position on Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of position, the vote will
    be transferred to the same player in his "official" position.

    For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
    point to each in any case.

    3 days to vote.

    Shortlist
    =========

    GK
    Donnarumma
    Edouard Mendy

    RB
    Alexander-Arnold
    Cancelo
    Reece James


    CB/SW [name at least two]
    Ruben Dias


    LB
    Davies


    DM
    Casemiro
    Fabinho
    Kante


    CM
    Verratti

    RW/RM
    Salah

    AM/SS
    Bernardo Silva

    LW/LM
    Vinicius Junior

    CF
    Haaland
    Lewandowski
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Jan 9 23:15:14 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 2:26:56 AM UTC+2, milivella wrote:

    GK
    Donnarumma, Alisson


    RB
    Alexander-Arnold, Cancelo

    CB/SW [name at least two]

    Bastoni, Van Dijk, Marquinhos

    LB
    Theo Hernandez


    DM
    Casemiro, Kante, Rice, Rodri


    CM
    Pogba


    RW/RM

    Salah


    AM/SS
    De Bruyne


    LW/LM

    Son


    CF
    Haaland, Lewandowski, Mbappe

    The first time in ages that I didn't include either Messi or Ronaldo?
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Jan 10 09:25:02 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 1:26:56 AM UTC+1, milivella wrote:
    GK
    Neuer, Alisson
    RB
    Alexander-Arnold, Cancelo (11 matches this season)
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    Alaba, Ruben Dias, van Dijk
    LB
    Davies, Cancelo (17 matches this season)
    DM
    Kimmich
    CM
    G|+ndo-fan
    RW/RM
    Salah
    AM/SS
    Foden (slots in better here, doesn't he?)
    LW/LM
    Vin|!cius J||nior
    CF
    Lewandowski, Haaland, Mbapp|-, Benzema

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.

    You can only vote a player under his main position according to www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you can
    vote for players not listed there; just check their main position on Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of position, the vote will
    be transferred to the same player in his "official" position.

    For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
    point to each in any case.

    3 days to vote.
    I think you should extend that to one week.
    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From milivella@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 11 21:47:02 2022
    Following Werner' suggestion (thanks!), the deadline for voting is moved
    to January 13, 23:59 GMT.

    Il 07/01/2022 01:26, milivella ha scritto:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.

    You can only vote a player under his main position according to www.transfermarkt.com . Below you will find a shortlist of the ten highest-valued player in each position on Transfermarkt, but you can
    vote for players not listed there; just check their main position on Transfermarkt. If you vote for a player out of position, the vote will
    be transferred to the same player in his "official" position.

    For each position, you can pick one or more player. You'll give one
    point to each in any case.

    Shortlist
    =========

    GK
    Alisson
    Courtois
    Donnarumma
    Ederson
    Maignan
    Emi Martinez
    Edouard Mendy
    Oblak
    Pickford
    Ramsdale
    Simon
    ter Stegen

    RB
    Alexander-Arnold
    Calabria
    Cancelo
    Castagne
    Di Lorenzo
    Emerson Royal
    Hakimi
    Reece James
    Mukiele
    Pavard
    Ricardo Pereira
    Porro
    Semedo
    Tomiyasu
    Walker
    Wan-Bissaka

    CB/SW [name at least two]
    Alaba
    Bastoni
    Diego Carlos
    Ruben Dias
    van Dijk
    Gimenez
    Lucas Hernandez
    Koulibaly
    Kounde
    Laporte
    de Ligt
    Maguire
    Marquinhos
    Militao
    Skriniar
    Soyuncu
    Pau Torres
    Tomori
    Upamecano
    Varane
    de Vrij

    LB
    Chilwell
    Davies
    Gaya
    Guerreiro
    Theo Hernandez
    Nuno Mendes
    Ferlan Mendy
    Robertson
    Shaw
    Tierney

    DM
    Brozovic
    Casemiro
    Fabinho
    Jorginho
    Kante
    Kimmich
    Ndindi
    Neves
    Partey
    Phillips
    Rice
    Rodri
    Soucek
    Tchouameni

    CM
    Barella
    Bellingham
    Camavinga
    Foden
    Goretzka
    Frenkie de Jong
    Marcos Llorente
    Milinkovic-Savic
    Pedri
    Pogba
    Fabian Ruiz
    Tielemans
    Valverde
    Verratti

    RW/RM
    Asensio
    Chiesa
    Coman
    Gnabry
    Greenwood
    Lozano
    Mahrez
    Messi
    Pulisic
    Raphinha
    Rodrygo
    Salah
    Ferran Torres

    AM/SS
    De Bruyne
    Dybala
    Felix
    Bruno Fernandes
    Griezmann
    Havertz
    Maddison
    Mount
    Musiala
    Nkunku
    Olmo
    Bernardo Silva
    Wirtz
    Zielinski

    LW/LM
    Grealish
    Mane
    Neymar
    Oyarbazal
    Rashford
    Sancho
    Sane
    Son
    Sterling
    Vinicius Junior

    CF
    Jonathan David
    Gabriel Jesus
    Haaland
    Kane
    Lewandowski
    Lukaku
    Lautaro Martinez
    Mbappe
    Osimhen
    Richarlison
    Vlahovic
    Werner

    Past editions
    =============

    April 2011

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Bosingwa / Maicon
    CD-a Vidic
    CD-a Alex / Carvalho
    LD-a Cole
    DM-a Busquets
    CM-a Xavi
    RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Messi
    CAM van der Vaart
    LAM Arshavin / Iniesta / Modric / Oezil
    ST-a Rooney or Tevez

    Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/da4c3cabfed764a0/

    Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/2e51b8cade3f4204/


    ---

    January 2012

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Puyol
    CD-a Pique
    CD-a Kompany / Thiago Silva
    LD-a Lahm
    DM-a Busquets
    CM-a Xavi
    RAM Messi
    CAM Iniesta
    LAM Silva
    ST-a Cristiano Ronaldo

    Poll: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/d3469c85418120d6/

    Results: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.sport.soccer/browse_thread/thread/b81e74f03b580578/


    ---

    January 2013

    GK-a Hart
    RD-a Lahm
    CD-a Thiago Silva
    CD-a Pique
    LD-a Alba
    DM-a Busquets
    CM-a Pirlo / Xavi
    RAM Goetze
    CAM Messi
    LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
    ST-a Falcao

    If one could clone players:
    -a GK-a Hart
    -a RD-a Lahm
    -a CD-a Thiago Silva
    -a CD-a Pique
    -a LD-a Alba
    -a DM-a Busquets
    -a CM-a Pirlo / Xavi
    * RAM Cristiano Ronaldo / Goetze
    -a CAM Messi
    -a LAM Cristiano Ronaldo
    * ST-a Messi

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/IoMxsHBSDLY

    Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/-HfLOJx5b7M


    ---

    January 2014

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Lahm
    CD-a Thiago Silva
    CD-a Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
    LD-a Alaba
    DM-a Yaya Toure
    CM-a Schweinsteiger
    RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Silva
    CAM Rooney
    LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
    ST-a Messi / Suarez

    If one could clone players:

    -a GK-a Neuer
    -a RD-a Lahm
    -a CD-a Thiago Silva
    -a CD-a Kompany / Marquinhos / Pique
    -a LD-a Alaba
    -a DM-a Yaya Toure
    * CM-a Schweinsteiger / Yaya Toure
    * RAM Cavani / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo / Silva
    -a CAM Rooney
    -a LAM Bale / Cristiano Ronaldo
    -a ST-a Messi or Suarez

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/f7MMLAiYqMs Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/iM5KyjH7FBc

    ---

    January 2015

    GK-a Neuer
    RD-a Lahm
    CD-a Boateng
    CD-a Benatia / Marquinhos / Ramos / Varane
    LD-a Alaba
    DM-a Matic
    CM-a Kroos
    RAM Di Maria / Robben
    CAM James Rodriguez
    LAM Bale / Thomas Mueller / Cristiano Ronaldo
    ST-a Messi

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/e4HnzeR_rRs Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/K1KY3nz3l8w

    Experimental edition:
    - Poll:
    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/ZJs16SC50LE
    - Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8AvyguY0ns8

    ---

    January 2016

    GK Neuer
    RB Lahm
    CD Pique
    CD Boateng
    LB Alaba
    WM Bale
    CM Iniesta
    WM De Bruyne
    FW Messi
    FW Suarez
    FW Neymar

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/P5pdR0Uc8yM Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/o4MWf3MH8kU


    ---

    January 2017

    GK-a-a-a de Gea
    RB-a-a-a Carvajal
    CB/SW Bonucci
    CB/SW Ramos
    LB-a-a-a Alaba
    DM-a-a-a Kante
    CM-a-a-a Kroos / Modric
    RW/LM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Cristiano Ronaldo
    CF-a-a-a Suarez

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6UWN6ktrqbM Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/rpcAwSMM32w

    ---

    January 2018

    GK-a-a-a de Gea
    RB-a-a-a Carvajal / Kimmich
    CB/SW Ramos
    CB/SW Varane
    LB-a-a-a Marcelo
    DM-a-a-a Kante
    CM-a-a-a Kroos / Modric / Pogba
    RW/RM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Neymar
    CF-a-a-a Cristiano Ronaldo / Kane

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/RTWgAAq1XYU Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/8fgIJv6B0Bg

    ---

    January 2019

    GK-a-a-a de Gea
    RB-a-a-a Kimmich
    CB/SW van Dijk
    CB/SW Varane
    LB-a-a-a Marcelo / Mendy
    DM-a-a-a Busquets
    CM-a-a-a Kante
    RW/RM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Hazard / Cristiano Ronaldo
    CF-a-a-a Kane

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/6-4fQUsuu-E Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/9k-30BqDpfQ

    ---

    February 2020

    GK-a-a-a Alisson
    RB-a-a-a Alexander-Arnold
    CB/SW van Dijk
    CB/SW de Ligt
    LB-a-a-a Robertson
    DM-a-a-a Casemiro
    CM-a-a-a Kante
    RW/RM Messi
    AM/SS De Bruyne
    LW/LM Mane
    CF-a-a-a Lewandowski

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/KyXKA0E-Mz8 Results: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.sport.soccer/b-ORao8xhng

    ---

    February 2021

    GK-a-a-a Oblak
    RB-a-a-a Alexander-Arnold / Reece James
    CB/SW Dias
    CB/SW van Dijk
    LB-a-a-a Robertson
    DM-a-a-a Kimmich
    CM-a-a-a Gundogan
    RW/RM Bernardo Silva / Messi
    AM/SS Bruno Fernades
    LW/LM Neymar
    CF-a-a-a Haaland

    Poll: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/6YvNwJlZ44o
    Results: https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/dLO1Kilz7aI

    --
    Cheers
    milivella
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  • From milivella@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 11 22:19:37 2022
    MH:

    On 2022-01-06 17:26, milivella wrote:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.

    This is the difficult part for me.
    I'm replying to each point separately, but there are some general points
    that I can put here:
    - First of all, thanks for sharing your opinion!
    - I was already aware of your doubts/criticisms, and I have already
    considered them. I haven't been able to find a better format than the
    one I have posted. Of course this doesn't mean that I'm not trying to
    improve it further.
    - I'd like to see one or more alternative polls based on different
    points of view. If people will prefer another poll, I'll happily pass
    the "RSS World Class XI" baton to such poll.

    "in a year". First of all I think
    most people ignore this in their selections.

    It may be. I'll bold it next time. Let's hope it will be enough.

    Second, as a scientist, I
    can't be "sure" of anything. All my selections could quite easily suffer devastating injuries, loss of form, deep-seated unresolved emotional conflicts or whatever.

    Right. Would changing it to "most sure" be better? I'll change it next year.

    The pressure to conform to a fixed formation and
    positions is also a problem - and the way you slice it up here is
    probably worse than Kicker's.-a At least kicker does not fixate on which side of the field the wide players operate.

    This makes a lot of sense. The only virtue I can find in my method is
    that it seems to me the simplest possible method to have a realistic XI.
    (Of course I may be wrong and there is a simpler method. Also, in any
    case, it all depends on what one means by "realistic".)

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    milivella
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  • From Al Kamista@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 11 15:01:50 2022
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 10:31:08 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    On 2022-01-06 17:26, milivella wrote:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.
    This is the difficult part for me. "in a year". First of all I think
    most people ignore this in their selections.

    Indeed. I never noticed that part. I assumed it was for the best player in the last year! Doh.

    I'll resubmit.
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  • From Al Kamista@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 11 15:06:29 2022
    On Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 7:26:56 PM UTC-5, milivella wrote:

    Updated list. Ignore previous one.


    Shortlist
    =========

    GK
    Alisson
    Edouard Mendy


    RB
    Alexander-Arnold
    Cancelo
    Reece James


    CB/SW [name at least two]
    Ruben Dias
    van Dijk


    LB
    Davies
    Robertson


    DM
    Casemiro
    Fabinho


    CM
    Foden (though he's not a CM, but slim pickins in this category)
    Pedri


    RW/RM
    Salah

    AM/SS
    De Bruyne
    Bernardo Silva


    LW/LM
    Vinicius Junior

    CF
    Haaland
    Mbappe
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 11 21:58:41 2022
    On 2022-01-11 16:01, Al Kamista wrote:
    On Friday, January 7, 2022 at 10:31:08 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    On 2022-01-06 17:26, milivella wrote:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.
    This is the difficult part for me. "in a year". First of all I think
    most people ignore this in their selections.

    Indeed. I never noticed that part. I assumed it was for the best player in the last year! Doh.

    I'll resubmit.

    Actually I thought the fact that ROnaldo and Messi were not considered
    by most to be evidence that people were finally paying attention to this
    part.
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Jan 11 22:08:00 2022
    On 2022-01-11 14:19, milivella wrote:
    MH:

    On 2022-01-06 17:26, milivella wrote:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the
    best in the world in a year.

    This is the difficult part for me.
    I'm replying to each point separately, but there are some general points that I can put here:
    - First of all, thanks for sharing your opinion!
    - I was already aware of your doubts/criticisms, and I have already considered them. I haven't been able to find a better format than the
    one I have posted. Of course this doesn't mean that I'm not trying to improve it further.
    - I'd like to see one or more alternative polls based on different
    points of view. If people will prefer another poll, I'll happily pass
    the "RSS World Class XI" baton to such poll.

    "in a year". First of all I think most people ignore this in their
    selections.

    It may be. I'll bold it next time. Let's hope it will be enough.

    Might help

    Second, as a scientist, I can't be "sure" of anything. All my
    selections could quite easily suffer devastating injuries, loss of
    form, deep-seated unresolved emotional conflicts or whatever.

    Right. Would changing it to "most sure" be better? I'll change it next
    year.

    The player or players who you are most confident that, provided they
    stay healthy, will be the best in the world at their position by Jan 1
    (Feb 1 ?) 2023.
    ,

    The pressure to conform to a fixed formation and positions is also a
    problem - and the way you slice it up here is probably worse than
    Kicker's.-a At least kicker does not fixate on which side of the field
    the wide players operate.

    This makes a lot of sense. The only virtue I can find in my method is
    that it seems to me the simplest possible method to have a realistic XI.
    (Of course I may be wrong and there is a simpler method. Also, in any
    case, it all depends on what one means by "realistic".)

    For wingers (whatever those are), they always switch sides enough that
    they would be easy enough to fit in on either side which helps in years
    where there are many outstanding options who play primarily on the right
    for their club, and not so many on the left.

    This year, though, Cancelo was only available as RB, when in fact he
    plays more often on the left. De Bruyne was only available as AM/SS
    when he is equally effective, and often deployed, as a Central
    Midfielder (or even a false nine).

    Foden is almost never a CM. AM or LW.

    I know it is extra work, but I wonder if you asked people to fill out
    multiple formations that are in common use, you would not come up with something interesting

    3-4-3

    3-5-2

    4-4-2

    4-3-3

    4-3-1-2

    4-2-3-1

    That should just about cover it.




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    milivella
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  • From Bruce Scott@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Jan 13 18:32:34 2022
    On 2022-01-07, milivella <milivella@gmail.com> wrote:
    GK
    RB
    CB/SW [name at least two]
    LB
    DM
    CM
    RW/RM
    AM/SS
    LW/LM
    CF

    Name, for each position, the player that you are sure will be the best
    in the world in a year.
    [...]

    Unfortunately, I do not see enough games for this... sorry.

    ciao, Bruce
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  • From milivella@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Jan 19 02:39:57 2022
    MH:

    The player or players who you are most confident that, provided they
    stay healthy, will be the best in the world at their position by Jan 1
    (Feb 1 ?)-a 2023.

    Thanks, I'll use it. I'll just change "stay healthy" to "are healthy",
    because the former wording may seem to exclude currently injured players
    (am I wrong?).

    For wingers (whatever those are), they always switch sides enough that
    they would be easy enough to fit in on either side which helps in years where there are many outstanding options who play primarily on the right
    for their club, and not so many on the left.

    This year, though, Cancelo was only available as RB, when in fact he
    plays more often on the left.-a-a De Bruyne was only available as AM/SS
    when he is equally effective, and often deployed, as a Central
    Midfielder (or even a false nine).

    Foden is almost never a CM. AM or LW.

    If I'll have time, I'll check if I find a better source for positions
    than Transfermarkt.

    [Thinking out loud] Transfermarkt has secondary positions, e.g.
    - Salah: main RW, other SS, CF
    - Vinicius Junior: main LW, other RW
    - Cancelo: main RB, other RM LW
    - De Bruyne: main AM, other CM
    - Foden: main CM, other AM LM
    I could use these secondary positions. But how? One way is to have a
    ranking of dozens of players, and then putting them in a XI in a way
    that maximize the rank of the picked players (of course a player could
    only go in one of his positions, main or not).

    I know it is extra work, but I wonder if you asked people to fill out multiple formations that are in common use, you would not come up with something interesting

    3-4-3

    3-5-2

    4-4-2

    4-3-3

    4-3-1-2

    4-2-3-1

    That should just about cover it.

    It would be interesting for sure. I like it simpler, though.

    We may have a meta-poll about the most preferred poll format.

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    milivella
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