• (R) Copa Libertadores da America 2021 Final

    From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 28 00:50:39 2021
    Haven't seen this posted, so I guess I'll have to do the honours.
    From Estadio Centenario in Montevideo, Uruguay:
    Palmeiras 2-1 Flamengo (1-0 HT, 1-1 FT, 2-1 AET)
    5' Raphael Veiga (1-0)
    72' Gabriel Barbosa (1-1)
    95' Deyverson (2-1)
    And so Copa Libertadores 2021 comes to a close, with a game between its two previous winners at a single match tie in the venerable Estadio Centenario. Lots of flamenguistas and palmeirenses made the trip to Montevideo to see
    their teams challenge for their third title in the competition.
    I don't have much to say, I couldn't watch the game and have only seen its highlights. Palmeiras was the better side in the first half, but Flamengo
    had it within their grasp to get a comeback in the second, just like they
    did in 2019 (although not as dramatically).
    Palmeiras scored an early opener. A long ball found right back Mayke behind
    the opponent's defensive line. He entered the box and crossed it back to Raphael Veiga, a couple of steps to the right of the penalty spot, for a strong shot that sailed just under Diego Alves's arms.
    Flamengo meant business in the second half, and their efforts were rewarded
    in the 72nd minute. Near their left sideline, a nice one-two between Gabriel Barbosa and de Arrascaeta found the former invading the penalty box and slotting a strong finish between Weverton and his near post.
    The title-winning goal came in extra time. It was a gift from Andreas Pereira, who has been brought in on loan from Manchester United in the last transfer window. He miscontrolled a backpass from David Luiz and gave Deyverson, who had been subbed in only five minutes earlier, a free path towards Diego Alves. The finish reminded one somewhat of Robben vs Casillas in the 2010 World Cup Final, but this time with a happier ending for the forward.
    Thus Deyverson became the unlikely hero of Palmeiras's third Libertadores
    win. He is a Vasco supporter and has played in the club's underage teams, which makes of it all the more sweeter for him, I guess. Plus, as the game
    drew to a close, he gave us all this most priceless moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJtnFTtCo4
    Diving after being touched by the REFEREE surely must have been a first.
    I guess that when the clock reads past 120' in a final, the leading team
    will do absolutely anything they can to avoid playing football :-) Nestor Pitana, from Argentina, has refereed in the 2018 World Cup final, but I
    guess that now he can say he has seen it all in a football field.
    2021 has been a fantastic year for Palmeiras. If one considers that Copa Libertadores 2020 final was played in January 2021, this means they won it twice in the same calendar year. That and Copa do Brasil 2020 too as well.
    This is also the third time in a row that a Portuguese manager wins the cup. Flamengo, on the other hand, had high hopes for this season, but so far
    they only have the state league title to show for it. Their season isn't
    poor by any reasonable standard, but they invested a lot and expected more.
    I guess Renato Gaucho will pay for it.
    Though Uruguayan authorities cleared El Centenario for 100% attendance,
    there were some spaces in the stands, mostly on the palmeirense side. This one-legged final business is Conmebol trying to imitate UEFA, though on a continent that is larger, poorer and that has not a comparable transport infrastructure to Europe's. Traveling costs and high ticket prices put this game beyond the reach of the vast majority of their fanbases. When two big teams meet in such a setting (as was the case here), their sheer numbers
    kinda make it "work" (as in, we get a largely occupied stadium). But if
    the teams are more modest, as was the case in Copa Sudamericana final, the whole thing quickly becomes pretty ridiculous, if not downright embarassing. This was Palmeiras's 6th Libertadores Final, won 3 (1999, 2020, 2021) and
    lost 3 (1961, 1968, 2000). They're tied with S|uo Paulo, Santos and Gr|-mio
    as Brazilian record winners of this tournament. In February (I believe) they'll travel to the United Arab Emirates to contest the Club World Cup
    with Chelsea, Al Hilal, Al Ahly, Monterrey, Auckland City and Al Jazira (hosts). Unlike 2020, they'll have more time to prepare for it, so I expect they'll do a little better than 4th place.
    So, there it is. Congratulations to the greens. And thanks, too :-)
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    Ll|-o
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 28 12:36:31 2021
    Apr*s m+re roflexion, Lloo a ocrit :

    Thus Deyverson became the unlikely hero of Palmeiras's third
    Libertadores win. He is a Vasco supporter and has played in
    the club's underage teams, which makes of it all the more
    sweeter for him, I guess. Plus, as the game drew to a close,
    he gave us all this most priceless moment:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJtnFTtCo4

    in France, we cannot see the video. But we have it here : https://twitter.com/lachainelequipe/status/1464725639244746755

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    La VAR est une technologie qui a oto mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 28 08:59:25 2021
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 8:50:41 AM UTC, Ll|-o wrote:
    Haven't seen this posted, so I guess I'll have to do the honours.
    I posted a message about it before the match was played.

    From Estadio Centenario in Montevideo, Uruguay:

    Palmeiras 2-1 Flamengo (1-0 HT, 1-1 FT, 2-1 AET)

    5' Raphael Veiga (1-0)
    72' Gabriel Barbosa (1-1)
    95' Deyverson (2-1)

    And so Copa Libertadores 2021 comes to a close, with a game between its two previous winners at a single match tie in the venerable Estadio Centenario. Lots of flamenguistas and palmeirenses made the trip to Montevideo to see their teams challenge for their third title in the competition.

    I don't have much to say, I couldn't watch the game and have only seen its highlights. Palmeiras was the better side in the first half, but Flamengo had it within their grasp to get a comeback in the second, just like they did in 2019 (although not as dramatically).
    I saw most of the match. I thought it was quite even and a draw was a fair result.

    Palmeiras scored an early opener. A long ball found right back Mayke behind the opponent's defensive line. He entered the box and crossed it back to Raphael Veiga, a couple of steps to the right of the penalty spot, for a strong shot that sailed just under Diego Alves's arms.

    Flamengo meant business in the second half, and their efforts were rewarded in the 72nd minute. Near their left sideline, a nice one-two between Gabriel Barbosa and de Arrascaeta found the former invading the penalty box and slotting a strong finish between Weverton and his near post.

    The title-winning goal came in extra time. It was a gift from Andreas Pereira,
    who has been brought in on loan from Manchester United in the last transfer window. He miscontrolled a backpass from David Luiz and gave Deyverson, who had been subbed in only five minutes earlier, a free path towards Diego Alves.
    The finish reminded one somewhat of Robben vs Casillas in the 2010 World Cup Final, but this time with a happier ending for the forward.
    Was that David Luiz of Brazil 1 Germany 7 fame?

    Thus Deyverson became the unlikely hero of Palmeiras's third Libertadores win. He is a Vasco supporter and has played in the club's underage teams, which makes of it all the more sweeter for him, I guess. Plus, as the game drew to a close, he gave us all this most priceless moment:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJtnFTtCo4

    Diving after being touched by the REFEREE surely must have been a first.
    I guess that when the clock reads past 120' in a final, the leading team will do absolutely anything they can to avoid playing football :-) Nestor Pitana, from Argentina, has refereed in the 2018 World Cup final, but I guess that now he can say he has seen it all in a football field.
    Did he think it was another player and just hoped to con the referee?

    2021 has been a fantastic year for Palmeiras. If one considers that Copa Libertadores 2020 final was played in January 2021, this means they won it twice in the same calendar year. That and Copa do Brasil 2020 too as well. This is also the third time in a row that a Portuguese manager wins the cup.

    Flamengo, on the other hand, had high hopes for this season, but so far
    they only have the state league title to show for it. Their season isn't poor by any reasonable standard, but they invested a lot and expected more. I guess Renato Gaucho will pay for it.

    Though Uruguayan authorities cleared El Centenario for 100% attendance, there were some spaces in the stands, mostly on the palmeirense side. This one-legged final business is Conmebol trying to imitate UEFA, though on a continent that is larger, poorer and that has not a comparable transport infrastructure to Europe's. Traveling costs and high ticket prices put this game beyond the reach of the vast majority of their fanbases. When two big teams meet in such a setting (as was the case here), their sheer numbers kinda make it "work" (as in, we get a largely occupied stadium). But if
    the teams are more modest, as was the case in Copa Sudamericana final, the whole thing quickly becomes pretty ridiculous, if not downright embarassing.

    This was Palmeiras's 6th Libertadores Final, won 3 (1999, 2020, 2021) and lost 3 (1961, 1968, 2000). They're tied with S|uo Paulo, Santos and Gr|-mio as Brazilian record winners of this tournament. In February (I believe) they'll travel to the United Arab Emirates to contest the Club World Cup with Chelsea, Al Hilal, Al Ahly, Monterrey, Auckland City and Al Jazira (hosts). Unlike 2020, they'll have more time to prepare for it, so I expect they'll do a little better than 4th place.
    Why February? Yes I think they'll at least reach the final this time. How do you rate their chances of actually winning it?

    So, there it is. Congratulations to the greens. And thanks, too :-)

    So who's the best team in South America now? 2 consecutive Copa Libertadores gives Palmeiras a strong case. Judging by this match, Flamengo and Palmeiras are about as good as each other.
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  • From =?UTF-8?B?TGzDqW8=?=@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 28 12:00:18 2021
    Mark escreveu:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 8:50:41 AM UTC, Ll|-o wrote:
    The title-winning goal came in extra time. It was a gift from Andreas Pereira,
    who has been brought in on loan from Manchester United in the last transfer
    window. He miscontrolled a backpass from David Luiz and gave Deyverson, who
    had been subbed in only five minutes earlier, a free path towards Diego Alves.
    The finish reminded one somewhat of Robben vs Casillas in the 2010 World Cup
    Final, but this time with a happier ending for the forward.


    Was that David Luiz of Brazil 1 Germany 7 fame?
    The same. On that day he left the pitch in tears, saying he "only wanted to make his people (Brazilians) happy". So, the meme now is that he is a man of word and fulfilled his promise :-) To be fair, this goal was Andreas' fault, not David's, but the joke goes around anyway.
    Thus Deyverson became the unlikely hero of Palmeiras's third Libertadores win. He is a Vasco supporter and has played in the club's underage teams, which makes of it all the more sweeter for him, I guess. Plus, as the game drew to a close, he gave us all this most priceless moment:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJtnFTtCo4

    Diving after being touched by the REFEREE surely must have been a first.
    I guess that when the clock reads past 120' in a final, the leading team will do absolutely anything they can to avoid playing football :-) Nestor Pitana, from Argentina, has refereed in the 2018 World Cup final, but I guess that now he can say he has seen it all in a football field.


    Did he think it was another player and just hoped to con the referee?
    Yes, I guess. He just wanted to run down the clock. Quite the non-sequitur, good thing Pitana could just have a laugh about it too.
    [SNIP]
    This was Palmeiras's 6th Libertadores Final, won 3 (1999, 2020, 2021) and lost 3 (1961, 1968, 2000). They're tied with S|uo Paulo, Santos and Gr|-mio
    as Brazilian record winners of this tournament. In February (I believe) they'll travel to the United Arab Emirates to contest the Club World Cup with Chelsea, Al Hilal, Al Ahly, Monterrey, Auckland City and Al Jazira (hosts). Unlike 2020, they'll have more time to prepare for it, so I expect
    they'll do a little better than 4th place.


    Why February? Yes I think they'll at least reach the final this time.
    Kinda depends on the draw, I guess. But they have a better chance than last time, at least.
    How do you rate their chances of actually winning it?
    Quite low, actually. Chelsea is the team to beat, they are heads and shoulders ahead of everyone else. The one thing that may help Palmeiras is that Chelsea is an English side, and the English never seem to care much for this tournament.
    Flamengo took Liverpool to extra time in 2019, and indeed South America's last CWC title was Corinthians over Chelsea in 2012. But of course, the gulf between
    Europe and everyone else has only widened since then.
    So, there it is. Congratulations to the greens. And thanks, too :-)


    So who's the best team in South America now? 2 consecutive Copa Libertadores gives
    Palmeiras a strong case. Judging by this match, Flamengo and Palmeiras are about as
    good as each other.
    I'd say Palmeiras. Even though they haven't dominated in the domestic front, they
    have a pretty strong case for that. Flamengo may have a better team on paper, but
    you have to make it count on the pitch, and they didn't. Plus, Palmeiras is clearly
    the more well-coached unit.
    --
    Ll|-o
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  • From Blueshirt@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 28 20:21:56 2021
    Ll|-o wrote:
    Mark escreveu:

    How do you rate their chances of actually winning it?

    Quite low, actually. Chelsea is the team to beat, they are heads
    and shoulders ahead of everyone else. The one thing that may help
    Palmeiras is that Chelsea is an English side, and the English never
    seem to care much for this tournament.

    Not just the English teams, but The FA as well, who don't seem too
    keen to move English fixtures around to accomodate their teams
    playing in the Club World Cup...
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Nov 29 01:53:32 2021
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:50:41 AM UTC+1, Ll|-o wrote:
    Haven't seen this posted, so I guess I'll have to do the honours.

    From Estadio Centenario in Montevideo, Uruguay:

    Palmeiras 2-1 Flamengo (1-0 HT, 1-1 FT, 2-1 AET)

    5' Raphael Veiga (1-0)
    72' Gabriel Barbosa (1-1)
    95' Deyverson (2-1)

    And so Copa Libertadores 2021 comes to a close, with a game between its two previous winners at a single match tie in the venerable Estadio Centenario. Lots of flamenguistas and palmeirenses made the trip to Montevideo to see their teams challenge for their third title in the competition.

    I don't have much to say, I couldn't watch the game and have only seen its highlights. Palmeiras was the better side in the first half, but Flamengo had it within their grasp to get a comeback in the second, just like they did in 2019 (although not as dramatically).

    Palmeiras scored an early opener. A long ball found right back Mayke behind the opponent's defensive line. He entered the box and crossed it back to Raphael Veiga, a couple of steps to the right of the penalty spot, for a strong shot that sailed just under Diego Alves's arms.

    Flamengo meant business in the second half, and their efforts were rewarded in the 72nd minute. Near their left sideline, a nice one-two between Gabriel Barbosa and de Arrascaeta found the former invading the penalty box and slotting a strong finish between Weverton and his near post.

    The title-winning goal came in extra time. It was a gift from Andreas Pereira,
    who has been brought in on loan from Manchester United in the last transfer window. He miscontrolled a backpass from David Luiz and gave Deyverson, who had been subbed in only five minutes earlier, a free path towards Diego Alves.
    The finish reminded one somewhat of Robben vs Casillas in the 2010 World Cup Final, but this time with a happier ending for the forward.

    Thus Deyverson became the unlikely hero of Palmeiras's third Libertadores win. He is a Vasco supporter and has played in the club's underage teams, which makes of it all the more sweeter for him, I guess. Plus, as the game drew to a close, he gave us all this most priceless moment:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJtnFTtCo4

    Diving after being touched by the REFEREE surely must have been a first.
    I guess that when the clock reads past 120' in a final, the leading team will do absolutely anything they can to avoid playing football :-) Nestor Pitana, from Argentina, has refereed in the 2018 World Cup final, but I guess that now he can say he has seen it all in a football field.
    Deyverson *snigger*
    Although surely this scene will now become Exhibit A whenever somebody
    claims that diving and shithousery is deeply ingrained into South American football culture...
    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Jesus Petry@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Nov 29 04:38:35 2021
    Em segunda-feira, 29 de novembro de 2021 |as 06:53:34 UTC-3, Werner Pichler escreveu:
    On Sunday, November 28, 2021 at 9:50:41 AM UTC+1, Ll|-o wrote:
    Haven't seen this posted, so I guess I'll have to do the honours.

    From Estadio Centenario in Montevideo, Uruguay:

    Palmeiras 2-1 Flamengo (1-0 HT, 1-1 FT, 2-1 AET)

    5' Raphael Veiga (1-0)
    72' Gabriel Barbosa (1-1)
    95' Deyverson (2-1)

    And so Copa Libertadores 2021 comes to a close, with a game between its two
    previous winners at a single match tie in the venerable Estadio Centenario.
    Lots of flamenguistas and palmeirenses made the trip to Montevideo to see their teams challenge for their third title in the competition.

    I don't have much to say, I couldn't watch the game and have only seen its highlights. Palmeiras was the better side in the first half, but Flamengo had it within their grasp to get a comeback in the second, just like they did in 2019 (although not as dramatically).

    Palmeiras scored an early opener. A long ball found right back Mayke behind
    the opponent's defensive line. He entered the box and crossed it back to Raphael Veiga, a couple of steps to the right of the penalty spot, for a strong shot that sailed just under Diego Alves's arms.

    Flamengo meant business in the second half, and their efforts were rewarded
    in the 72nd minute. Near their left sideline, a nice one-two between Gabriel
    Barbosa and de Arrascaeta found the former invading the penalty box and slotting a strong finish between Weverton and his near post.

    The title-winning goal came in extra time. It was a gift from Andreas Pereira,
    who has been brought in on loan from Manchester United in the last transfer
    window. He miscontrolled a backpass from David Luiz and gave Deyverson, who
    had been subbed in only five minutes earlier, a free path towards Diego Alves.
    The finish reminded one somewhat of Robben vs Casillas in the 2010 World Cup
    Final, but this time with a happier ending for the forward.

    Thus Deyverson became the unlikely hero of Palmeiras's third Libertadores win. He is a Vasco supporter and has played in the club's underage teams, which makes of it all the more sweeter for him, I guess. Plus, as the game drew to a close, he gave us all this most priceless moment:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VJtnFTtCo4

    Diving after being touched by the REFEREE surely must have been a first.
    I guess that when the clock reads past 120' in a final, the leading team will do absolutely anything they can to avoid playing football :-) Nestor Pitana, from Argentina, has refereed in the 2018 World Cup final, but I guess that now he can say he has seen it all in a football field.
    Deyverson *snigger*

    Although surely this scene will now become Exhibit A whenever somebody claims that diving and shithousery is deeply ingrained into South American football culture...
    In this particular case, Deyverson can safely plead insanity and no court would convict him.
    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry
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