• Re: UEFA WC qualifiers November 2021 [R]

    From Binder Dundat@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 10:17:29 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Summer was hangin-on here on the iceberg, actually really warm sunny weather up until today (it was high teens and sunny a couple of days ago), but now talk of snow next week. Wet but warm today, I almost want it to snow, the Puppy has never seen snow.

    EUro qualifying for the WM is a bit more interesting than normal this time, doesnt rock like CONCACAF, but some interesting knockout type games-which really only mean the KO losers go into an actual KO scenario.

    Rep. Moldau v Schottland
    Moldova are bottom of the table in this group, so Scotland should win and qualify for the KO stage behind Denmark. Colin Hendry is starting?
    Scotland leading 1-0 in the 56 min. Perhaps our software needs upgrading, but we are projecting Scotland to reach the QFs of the 2022 WC.

    Italien v Schweiz
    OK this is a KO winner qualifies for the World Cup type game, except it isnt, the winner could still finish second, but lets pretend that it is a KO game. Recent history suggests a draw, which is better for Italy, the English officiating crew suggest some BS call will decide the game. They really are terrible at the refereeing thing, I bet you the WWEpl will have foreign refs in 10 years time. Probably have the refs do the post match beheadings as well, stupid,backwards fucking country.

    Nordirland v Litauen
    nothin to see here

    D|nnemark v mini Denmark
    mini Denmark is not in last place in the group, can you imagine if mini Denmark and Denmark united, they would win every WM.

    |usterreich v Israel
    Austria never fail to disappoint lately. I think Israel have a mathematical chance-but not a real chance of 2nd place

    England v Albanien
    England should win this match and the group, but they are also dumb enough to screw up.

    Ungarn v San Marino
    San Marino looking to break the negative goal difference record.

    Andorra v Polen
    Poland should win, but lets say they dont and Albania beat England, then it is all very complicated, for the final round.

    Most of these games or on for free on UEFA TV, at least here on the iceberg.

    TBH far more interesting games on tonight, like Mexico vs the walking dead and Kanada v Kosta Rica. Kanada then play Mexico on Wednesday.
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:15:19 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 13:47, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:10:12 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    It's the final two matchdays of the group stage.

    Biggest story of the early matches is Georgia - Sweden 2-0. Looks big, >> but might not have that big an impact in the end. Sweden's final match >> is away to Spain, who are trailing by 2 points ahead of their match in >> Greece tonight. So all it really does, is change what happens in case >> of a draw.

    More impact comes from Armenia - Macedonia 0-5. The two teams were
    tied on third with 12 points, behind Romania with 13. Armenia is
    practically eliminated now (mathematically if H2H is the tiebreaker).

    We have a lot of 'finals' for direct qualification coming up.

    Portugal - Serbia (Serbia need a win, unless Portugal lose tonight against Ireland)
    Spain - Sweden (Sweden need a win, unless Spain squander their current lead against Greece)
    Croatia - Russia (Croatia need a win)
    Italy - Switzerland (both are on even points and have one more winnable match after that)
    This is difficult. I am torn between the desire to see Portugal, Spain, Croatia and Italy have to sweat through the playoffs to qualify, and the desire not to have teams like Scotland or Israel, Austria, Norway, the Czechs, North Macedonia so on have to face such tough opposition in playoff games.
    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Binder Dundat@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 10:29:23 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:17:31 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Summer was hangin-on here on the iceberg, actually really warm sunny weather up until today (it was high teens and sunny a couple of days ago), but now talk of snow next week. Wet but warm today, I almost want it to snow, the Puppy has never seen snow.

    EUro qualifying for the WM is a bit more interesting than normal this time, doesnt rock like CONCACAF, but some interesting knockout type games-which really only mean the KO losers go into an actual KO scenario.

    Rep. Moldau v Schottland
    Moldova are bottom of the table in this group, so Scotland should win and qualify for the KO stage behind Denmark. Colin Hendry is starting?
    Scotland leading 1-0 in the 56 min. Perhaps our software needs upgrading, but we are projecting Scotland to reach the QFs of the 2022 WC.
    OK this may be the software that we used for the 1950 WC, but we are now projecting Scotland to make the Semi finals.
    2-0 68 min. I think we can safely project Scotland qualifying for the playoffs, regardless of software upgrades.

    Italien v Schweiz
    OK this is a KO winner qualifies for the World Cup type game, except it isnt, the winner could still finish second, but lets pretend that it is a KO game. Recent history suggests a draw, which is better for Italy, the English officiating crew suggest some BS call will decide the game. They really are terrible at the refereeing thing, I bet you the WWEpl will have foreign refs in 10 years time. Probably have the refs do the post match beheadings as well, stupid,backwards fucking country.

    Nordirland v Litauen
    nothin to see here

    D|nnemark v mini Denmark
    mini Denmark is not in last place in the group, can you imagine if mini Denmark and Denmark united, they would win every WM.

    |usterreich v Israel
    Austria never fail to disappoint lately. I think Israel have a mathematical chance-but not a real chance of 2nd place

    England v Albanien
    England should win this match and the group, but they are also dumb enough to screw up.

    Ungarn v San Marino
    San Marino looking to break the negative goal difference record.

    Andorra v Polen
    Poland should win, but lets say they dont and Albania beat England, then it is all very complicated, for the final round.

    Most of these games or on for free on UEFA TV, at least here on the iceberg.

    TBH far more interesting games on tonight, like Mexico vs the walking dead and Kanada v Kosta Rica. Kanada then play Mexico on Wednesday.
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:15:19 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 13:47, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:10:12 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    It's the final two matchdays of the group stage.

    Biggest story of the early matches is Georgia - Sweden 2-0. Looks big,
    but might not have that big an impact in the end. Sweden's final match
    is away to Spain, who are trailing by 2 points ahead of their match in
    Greece tonight. So all it really does, is change what happens in case >> of a draw.

    More impact comes from Armenia - Macedonia 0-5. The two teams were
    tied on third with 12 points, behind Romania with 13. Armenia is
    practically eliminated now (mathematically if H2H is the tiebreaker).

    We have a lot of 'finals' for direct qualification coming up.

    Portugal - Serbia (Serbia need a win, unless Portugal lose tonight against Ireland)
    Spain - Sweden (Sweden need a win, unless Spain squander their current lead against Greece)
    Croatia - Russia (Croatia need a win)
    Italy - Switzerland (both are on even points and have one more winnable match after that)
    This is difficult. I am torn between the desire to see Portugal, Spain, Croatia and Italy have to sweat through the playoffs to qualify, and the desire not to have teams like Scotland or Israel, Austria, Norway, the Czechs, North Macedonia so on have to face such tough opposition in playoff games.
    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Binder Dundat@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 10:43:25 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:29:24 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:17:31 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Summer was hangin-on here on the iceberg, actually really warm sunny weather up until today (it was high teens and sunny a couple of days ago), but now talk of snow next week. Wet but warm today, I almost want it to snow, the Puppy has never seen snow.

    EUro qualifying for the WM is a bit more interesting than normal this time, doesnt rock like CONCACAF, but some interesting knockout type games-which really only mean the KO losers go into an actual KO scenario.

    Rep. Moldau v Schottland
    Moldova are bottom of the table in this group, so Scotland should win and qualify for the KO stage behind Denmark. Colin Hendry is starting?
    Scotland leading 1-0 in the 56 min. Perhaps our software needs upgrading, but we are projecting Scotland to reach the QFs of the 2022 WC.
    OK this may be the software that we used for the 1950 WC, but we are now projecting Scotland to make the Semi finals. by
    UH Oh, I think our Super Komputer just broke a gear.
    80 min pk save by Scottish keeper guy
    still 2-0 and we hope to have the komputer running by 2:45 normal time

    2-0 68 min. I think we can safely project Scotland qualifying for the playoffs, regardless of software upgrades.

    Italien v Schweiz
    OK this is a KO winner qualifies for the World Cup type game, except it isnt, the winner could still finish second, but lets pretend that it is a KO game. Recent history suggests a draw, which is better for Italy, the English officiating crew suggest some BS call will decide the game. They really are terrible at the refereeing thing, I bet you the WWEpl will have foreign refs in 10 years time. Probably have the refs do the post match beheadings as well, stupid,backwards fucking country.

    Nordirland v Litauen
    nothin to see here

    D|nnemark v mini Denmark
    mini Denmark is not in last place in the group, can you imagine if mini Denmark and Denmark united, they would win every WM.

    |usterreich v Israel
    Austria never fail to disappoint lately. I think Israel have a mathematical chance-but not a real chance of 2nd place

    England v Albanien
    England should win this match and the group, but they are also dumb enough to screw up.

    Ungarn v San Marino
    San Marino looking to break the negative goal difference record.

    Andorra v Polen
    Poland should win, but lets say they dont and Albania beat England, then it is all very complicated, for the final round.

    Most of these games or on for free on UEFA TV, at least here on the iceberg.

    TBH far more interesting games on tonight, like Mexico vs the walking dead and Kanada v Kosta Rica. Kanada then play Mexico on Wednesday.
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 6:15:19 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-11 13:47, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:10:12 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    It's the final two matchdays of the group stage.

    Biggest story of the early matches is Georgia - Sweden 2-0. Looks big,
    but might not have that big an impact in the end. Sweden's final match
    is away to Spain, who are trailing by 2 points ahead of their match in
    Greece tonight. So all it really does, is change what happens in case
    of a draw.

    More impact comes from Armenia - Macedonia 0-5. The two teams were >> tied on third with 12 points, behind Romania with 13. Armenia is
    practically eliminated now (mathematically if H2H is the tiebreaker).

    We have a lot of 'finals' for direct qualification coming up.

    Portugal - Serbia (Serbia need a win, unless Portugal lose tonight against Ireland)
    Spain - Sweden (Sweden need a win, unless Spain squander their current lead against Greece)
    Croatia - Russia (Croatia need a win)
    Italy - Switzerland (both are on even points and have one more winnable match after that)
    This is difficult. I am torn between the desire to see Portugal, Spain,
    Croatia and Italy have to sweat through the playoffs to qualify, and the
    desire not to have teams like Scotland or Israel, Austria, Norway, the Czechs, North Macedonia so on have to face such tough opposition in playoff games.
    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 11:26:29 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:

    80 min pk save by Scottish keeper guy


    still 2-0 and we hope to have the komputer running by 2:45 normal time

    As expected, even Scotland could not screw it up this time. Austria - Israel now will just determine who gets third place and future ranking points.

    After Finland's qualification for Euro 2020, Israel is the now the biggest underachiever in Europe -- i.e., the team with the best rating in terms of population and GDP per capita never to qualify for a major international tournament from UEFA
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 11:32:16 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:

    Italien v Schweiz
    OK this is a KO winner qualifies for the World Cup type game, except it isnt, the winner could still finish second, but lets pretend that it is a KO game. Recent history suggests a draw, which is better for Italy, the English officiating crew suggest some BS call will decide the game. They really are terrible at the refereeing thing, I bet you the WWEpl will have foreign refs in 10 years time. Probably have the refs do the post match beheadings as well, stupid,backwards fucking country.
    Relative to the starting XI that won the Euros, Italy without Chiellini, Verratti and Immobile, replaced by Acerbi, Locatelli (who scored two against the Swiss at the Euros) and Belotti.
    Italy is probably the happier of the two sides with a draw (GD +11 vs GD +9), but I don't think we would like to get into a goal-difference shootout on the final day (SUI at home to Bulgaria, ITA with a tricky away match in Belfast)
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 11:34:17 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:26:30 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:

    80 min pk save by Scottish keeper guy


    still 2-0 and we hope to have the komputer running by 2:45 normal time
    As expected, even Scotland could not screw it up this time. Austria - Israel now will just determine who gets third place and future ranking points.

    I wonder if we can draw Scotland again in the playoffs?


    After Finland's qualification for Euro 2020, Israel is the now the biggest underachiever in Europe -- i.e., the team with the best rating in terms of population and GDP per capita never to qualify for a major international
    tournament from UEFA

    My hunch feeling for Euro 2024 first-time qualifier would be Luxembourg. They've been doing really well.

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 20:57:16 2021
    On 12.11.2021. 0:15, MH wrote:

    I am torn between the desire to see Portugal, Spain,
    Croatia and Italy
    Weird to see us in this company, not only because we are very familiar
    with playoffs.

    However, in this current situation where some people are being
    blackmailed and losing
    jobs over vaccination, I really couldn't care less about what happens on Sunday.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 12:05:09 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 2:32:18 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 12:08:15 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:

    Italien v Schweiz
    OK this is a KO winner qualifies for the World Cup type game, except it isnt, the winner could still finish second, but lets pretend that it is a KO game. Recent history suggests a draw, which is better for Italy, the English officiating crew suggest some BS call will decide the game. They really are terrible at the refereeing thing, I bet you the WWEpl will have foreign refs in 10 years time. Probably have the refs do the post match beheadings as well, stupid,backwards fucking country.
    Relative to the starting XI that won the Euros, Italy without Chiellini, Verratti and Immobile, replaced by Acerbi, Locatelli (who scored two against the Swiss at the Euros) and Belotti.

    Italy is probably the happier of the two sides with a draw (GD +11 vs GD +9), but I don't think we would like to get into a goal-difference shootout on the final day (SUI at home to Bulgaria, ITA with a tricky away match in Belfast)
    15 minutes in, Switzerland up 1-0 with Widmer. Okafor's pace is creating all sorts of trouble to the Italian back line, and they already had two decent chances to increase their lead.
    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 12:16:24 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.

    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 12:26:49 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1

    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 12:48:59 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1

    Elsewhere:

    HT: England-Albania 5-0, the Conte therapy is already having its effects on Harry Kane.
    HT: Austria - Israel 0-1. Yeah, right...
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 12:51:29 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:49:01 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Elsewhere:

    HT: England-Albania 5-0, the Conte therapy is already having its effects on Harry Kane.
    HT: Austria - Israel 0-1. Yeah, right...

    Poland beating Andorra 3-1, they'll probably finish second in the group
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 13:10:37 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1

    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.
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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 22:21:26 2021
    On 11.11.2021. 21:47, Werner Pichler wrote:

    Portugal - Serbia (Serbia need a win, unless Portugal lose tonight against Ireland)

    More fun stuff from Serbia

    https://www.b92.net/sport/fudbal/vesti.php?yyyy=2021&mm=11&dd=12&nav_id=2055633

    President Vucic surprised Serbian football team before departure for
    Portugal,
    he promised them 1 million Euros to divide among themselves if they win. Comments are almost all Vucic's army of bots who praised this move,
    other comments
    are as usual censored.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 13:35:33 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.

    87' VAR penalty for Italy. Will Sommer hypnotize Jorginho yet again?

    ...no hop this time, and Jorginho blazes it way over the bar!
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:42:40 2021
    On 2021-11-12 12:34, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:26:30 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:

    80 min pk save by Scottish keeper guy


    still 2-0 and we hope to have the komputer running by 2:45 normal time
    As expected, even Scotland could not screw it up this time. Austria - Israel now will just determine who gets third place and future ranking points.

    I wonder if we can draw Scotland again in the playoffs?

    That implies Scotland would be seeded, which I think is pretty unlikely,
    as it is almost certain to require taking a point or three from Denmark.




    After Finland's qualification for Euro 2020, Israel is the now the biggest underachiever in Europe -- i.e., the team with the best rating in terms of population and GDP per capita never to qualify for a major international
    tournament from UEFA

    My hunch feeling for Euro 2024 first-time qualifier would be Luxembourg. They've been doing really well.

    North Macedonia ?

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 13:45:26 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:35:35 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.

    87' VAR penalty for Italy. Will Sommer hypnotize Jorginho yet again?

    ...no hop this time, and Jorginho blazes it way over the bar!

    Wow, this one now goes down to the wire - Italy two goals better at the moment, but away in
    Belfast looks more daunting than Switzerland playing Bulgaria at home.

    I also quite like that Little Denmark ruined Big Denmark's perfect defensive record in the 89th
    minute. Still, an extremely impressive qualifying campaign (9-0-0, 30-1) of course.


    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:45:59 2021
    On 2021-11-12 12:57, vedran wrote:
    On 12.11.2021. 0:15, MH wrote:

    I am torn between the desire to see Portugal, Spain, Croatia and Italy
    Weird to see us in this company,

    Well you guys have certainly had your day(s) in the sun. Moreso than Switzerland, Norway, Poland, and so on.

    not only because we are very familiar
    with playoffs.

    However, in this current situation where some people are being
    blackmailed and losing
    jobs over vaccination, I really couldn't care less about what happens on Sunday.

    Really ? That is happening?
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 13:48:25 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:42:43 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 12:34, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:26:30 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>
    80 min pk save by Scottish keeper guy


    still 2-0 and we hope to have the komputer running by 2:45 normal time >> As expected, even Scotland could not screw it up this time. Austria - Israel now will just determine who gets third place and future ranking points.

    I wonder if we can draw Scotland again in the playoffs?

    That implies Scotland would be seeded, which I think is pretty unlikely,
    as it is almost certain to require taking a point or three from Denmark.

    Nevertheless we could always be drawn against each other in the play-off finals.

    After Finland's qualification for Euro 2020, Israel is the now the biggest underachiever in Europe -- i.e., the team with the best rating in terms of population and GDP per capita never to qualify for a major
    international tournament from UEFA

    My hunch feeling for Euro 2024 first-time qualifier would be Luxembourg. They've been doing really well.

    North Macedonia ?

    Played in the EURO this year...


    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 13:49:29 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.
    87' VAR penalty for Italy. Will Sommer hypnotize Jorginho yet again?

    ...no hop this time, and Jorginho blazes it way over the bar!

    FT: 1-1

    If Switzerland beats Bulgaria by a margin of at least 3 goals more than the margin by which Italy beats Northern Ireland, they qualify.

    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored. Disciplinary record?
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 22:54:15 2021
    Werner Pichler a penso tr*s fort :

    I also quite like that Little Denmark ruined Big Denmark's
    perfect defensive record in the 89th minute.

    Faroe Islands :D.

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    Pas de doute, c'est bien un club Frantais
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:00:02 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:49:31 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:


    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored. Disciplinary record?

    Nope: away goals in the head-to-head comes into play, so Switzerland would go through. This will be fun.
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:00:44 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:49:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.
    87' VAR penalty for Italy. Will Sommer hypnotize Jorginho yet again?

    ...no hop this time, and Jorginho blazes it way over the bar!

    FT: 1-1

    If Switzerland beats Bulgaria by a margin of at least 3 goals more than the margin by which Italy beats Northern Ireland, they qualify.

    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored. Disciplinary record?

    Switzerland on away goals in the h2h? That should still apply.

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:02:32 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:00:45 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    If Switzerland beats Bulgaria by a margin of at least 3 goals more than the margin by which Italy beats Northern Ireland, they qualify.

    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored. Disciplinary record?
    Switzerland on away goals in the h2h? That should still apply.


    Yes.

    https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/517ef2ad2bc3665e/original/ytkbpnxyvcghx6bebesv-pdf.pdf
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 15:03:08 2021
    On 2021-11-12 14:48, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:42:43 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 12:34, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:26:30 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote: >>>>>
    80 min pk save by Scottish keeper guy


    still 2-0 and we hope to have the komputer running by 2:45 normal time >>>> As expected, even Scotland could not screw it up this time. Austria - Israel now will just determine who gets third place and future ranking points.

    I wonder if we can draw Scotland again in the playoffs?

    That implies Scotland would be seeded, which I think is pretty unlikely,
    as it is almost certain to require taking a point or three from Denmark.

    Nevertheless we could always be drawn against each other in the play-off finals.

    Could happen, but both of them winning away against seeded teams, and
    being drawn in the same path in the first place, the odds against it
    must be long.


    After Finland's qualification for Euro 2020, Israel is the now the biggest underachiever in Europe -- i.e., the team with the best rating in terms of population and GDP per capita never to qualify for a major
    international tournament from UEFA

    My hunch feeling for Euro 2024 first-time qualifier would be Luxembourg. They've been doing really well.

    North Macedonia ?

    Played in the EURO this year...

    Brain fog again, I had completely forgotten that.

    Hmm, How about Kosovo, Albania, Armenia and Georgia ?


    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:03:53 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:02:34 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:00:45 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    If Switzerland beats Bulgaria by a margin of at least 3 goals more than the margin by which Italy beats Northern Ireland, they qualify.

    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored. Disciplinary record?
    Switzerland on away goals in the h2h? That should still apply.

    Yes.

    https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/517ef2ad2bc3665e/original/ytkbpnxyvcghx6bebesv-pdf.pdf

    Page 27, 29th page of the PDF.
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:04:41 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:49:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.
    87' VAR penalty for Italy. Will Sommer hypnotize Jorginho yet again?

    ...no hop this time, and Jorginho blazes it way over the bar!
    FT: 1-1

    If Switzerland beats Bulgaria by a margin of at least 3 goals more than the margin by which Italy beats Northern Ireland, they qualify.

    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored.

    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have been.

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 15:07:34 2021
    On 2021-11-12 14:49, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>>>
    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.
    87' VAR penalty for Italy. Will Sommer hypnotize Jorginho yet again?

    ...no hop this time, and Jorginho blazes it way over the bar!

    FT: 1-1

    If Switzerland beats Bulgaria by a margin of at least 3 goals more than the margin by which Italy beats Northern Ireland, they qualify.

    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored. Disciplinary record?

    Not yet.

    Tiebreakers
    In league format, the ranking of teams in each group is based on the
    following criteria (regulations Articles 20.4 and 20.6):[13]

    Points (3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss)
    Overall goal difference
    Overall goals scored
    Points in matches between tied teams
    Goal difference in matches between tied teams
    Goals scored in matches between tied teams
    Away goals scored in matches between tied teams (if the tie is only
    between two teams in home-and-away league format)

    So Switzerland has the edge if it gets that far.




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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 15:14:04 2021
    On 2021-11-12 15:04, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:49:31 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:35:35 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 4:10:39 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:26:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:16:25 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 3:05:11 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>>>>
    Reminder: after winning the 1982 World Cup, Italy failed to qualify for Euro 1984.
    Italy a bit better in the past few minutes, including a big chance missed by Barella. Still 0-1
    Clever free kick routine by Italy to beat the Swiss offside trap, and Di Lorenzo heads in to equalize. 1-1
    Not much happening in the second half. Italy mostly on the front foot, but it's not exactly an all-out assault. 64', still 1-1.
    87' VAR penalty for Italy. Will Sommer hypnotize Jorginho yet again?

    ...no hop this time, and Jorginho blazes it way over the bar!
    FT: 1-1

    If Switzerland beats Bulgaria by a margin of at least 3 goals more than the margin by which Italy beats Northern Ireland, they qualify.

    If the difference is two goals, then it goes down to numbers of goals scored. If SUI-BUL 3-0 and NIR-ITA 0-1, the two teams would be exactly tied on both GD and goals scored.

    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have been.

    Italy pipped England on goal difference to qualify for 1978, but not
    quite the same thing as the teams were dead level on GD after England
    beat Italy 2-0, but Italy still had a match left against Luxembourg, and
    any win (they did win 3-0) would have qualified them. The whole thing
    came down, really, to England only managing to beat Finland 2-1 at
    Wembley, whereas Italy thrashed the Finns 6-1. How very un-Italian of
    them.


    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:17:38 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 11:03:12 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 14:48, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 10:42:43 PM UTC+1, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-12 12:34, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 8:26:30 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote: >>>
    After Finland's qualification for Euro 2020, Israel is the now the biggest underachiever in Europe -- i.e., the team with the best rating in terms of population and GDP per capita never to qualify for a major
    international tournament from UEFA

    My hunch feeling for Euro 2024 first-time qualifier would be Luxembourg. They've been doing really well.

    North Macedonia ?

    Played in the EURO this year...

    Brain fog again, I had completely forgotten that.

    Hmm, How about Kosovo, Albania, Armenia and Georgia ?

    Albania played in Euro 2016.

    But Armenia and Montenegro might indeed have the biggest chance on paper - the pots for Euro 2024
    qualifiers will depend on the 2022-23 Nations League rankings, and those two are in League B, giving
    them a decent chance to be drawn out of Pot 3 at least. That's impossible for the others.

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 23:26:49 2021
    On 12.11.2021. 22:45, MH wrote:

    Really ? That is happening?


    Shouldn't be surprising, all kinds of crap is going on elsewhere too,
    the question is how much more
    people here can tolerate this from our scumbag politicians. It is
    estimated half a million people left the
    country in the past 10 years (because of corruption, long before covid),
    at least those who got fired can leave somewhere else
    like others did. There are now protests (still not that massive) all
    over the country because of mandatory covid passes
    introduced on 16.11. for those who work in public sector, this is in
    Split where match will be held,
    at the same time stadium Poljud in Split is expected to be full https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A2h3XD6exE
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:30:56 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:14:07 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have been.
    Italy pipped England on goal difference to qualify for 1978, but not
    quite the same thing as the teams were dead level on GD after England
    beat Italy 2-0, but Italy still had a match left against Luxembourg, and
    any win (they did win 3-0) would have qualified them. The whole thing
    came down, really, to England only managing to beat Finland 2-1 at
    Wembley, whereas Italy thrashed the Finns 6-1. How very un-Italian of
    them.
    Of course, we also famously qualified out of the first round of the 1982 World Cup because we scored one more than Cameroon!
    As for the 1978 qualifiers, Italy benefited from the order of matches: our last two home games were against Finland and Luxembourg, and by that time we knew that it would likely go down to GD so it would be a good idea to do the very un-italian thing and pile it on.
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 15:34:54 2021


    Most of these games or on for free on UEFA TV, at least here on the iceberg.

    TBH far more interesting games on tonight, like Mexico vs the walking dead and Kanada v Kosta Rica. Kanada then play Mexico on Wednesday.

    15 degrees right now in Calgary -never know how to dress at this time of
    year, as it can be below zero when I set out for my walk to work. Today
    feels very Chinooky.

    More importantly it is 2 degrees C, 3 hours to the north of us in
    Edmonton (effects of Chinooks rarely reach that far North and even then
    only mildly). Will that affect the Costa Ricans ? I doubt it. Will
    the artificial surface affect them? Also doubtful as so many of them
    play for Saprissa, who also have a field turf pitch.


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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:37:43 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:

    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have been.

    Spain-Malta in Euro2004 qualifying comes to mind (it was after that match and the Gijon thingie that UEFA/FIFA realized that playing the last matches contemporaneously would be a good idea).

    I started to look through at past qualifying campaigns (FIFA only, because UEFA does H2H), and Group A of the WCQ2018 was decided by goal difference, with the two contenders facing each other in the last match day.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_%E2%80%93_UEFA_Group_A

    It looks as if NED would have needed to win by 7 clear goals on the last matchday to eke past Sweden. So not that relevant.

    Let's see if we can find a case where both teams had to pile it on ruthlessly on some minnow.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 14:44:22 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:37:44 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Let's see if we can find a case where both teams had to pile it on ruthlessly on some minnow.
    Group G in 2014: Bosnia and Greece tied on points on the eve of the last matchday, Greece home to Liechtenstein, Bosnia away in Lithuania. Greeks only had to make up a differential of 17 in GD...not exactly a nailbiter (in the end they could only beat Liechtenstein 2-0)
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  • From Real Mardin@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 15:24:59 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 7:26:30 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 1:43:26 PM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:

    80 min pk save by Scottish keeper guy


    still 2-0 and we hope to have the komputer running by 2:45 normal time
    As expected, even Scotland could not screw it up this time. Austria - Israel now will just determine who gets third place and future ranking points.

    After Finland's qualification for Euro 2020, Israel is the now the biggest underachiever in Europe -- i.e., the team with the best rating in terms of population and GDP per capita never to qualify for a major international tournament from UEFA

    My condolences, but who wants to go to Qatar in December anyway?

    Israel qualifying for World Cup 2026 would be quite something else.

    If I could chose between my team qualifying for the Desert Christmas World Cup Special or a summer World Cup in CONCACAFland I know what my choice would be.


    RM
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  • From doctor@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 23:26:17 2021
    In article <smmq6f$79q$1@dont-email.me>, MH <MHnospam@ucalgary.ca> wrote:


    Most of these games or on for free on UEFA TV, at least here on the iceberg. >>
    TBH far more interesting games on tonight, like Mexico vs the walking
    dead and Kanada v Kosta Rica. Kanada then play Mexico on Wednesday.

    15 degrees right now in Calgary -never know how to dress at this time of >year, as it can be below zero when I set out for my walk to work. Today >feels very Chinooky.

    More importantly it is 2 degrees C, 3 hours to the north of us in
    Edmonton (effects of Chinooks rarely reach that far North and even then
    only mildly). Will that affect the Costa Ricans ? I doubt it. Will
    the artificial surface affect them? Also doubtful as so many of them
    play for Saprissa, who also have a field turf pitch.



    Cool time today aT Commonwealth Stadium!
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 16:36:28 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:44:24 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:37:44 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Let's see if we can find a case where both teams had to pile it on ruthlessly on some minnow.
    Group G in 2014: Bosnia and Greece tied on points on the eve of the last matchday, Greece home to Liechtenstein, Bosnia away in Lithuania. Greeks only had to make up a differential of 17 in GD...not exactly a nailbiter (in the end they could only beat Liechtenstein 2-0)
    Group 4 in WCQ2006: Not exactly a last matchday shootout, but Israel went into the last batch of matches one point behind Switzerland. I don't know exactly why, but the schedule was unbalanced: Israel had only a home game against the Faroes, Switzerland had two games left, at home to France and away to Ireland. Switzerland with +11 GD, Israel with +4.
    A large win over the Faroes would have forced the Swiss to win the last match. Instead, it ended 2-1, and Switzerland advanced to the next round with two draws.
    Hmmm... it looks as if in 2006 the first tiebreaker was H2H (Croatia won its group despite having a worst GD than Sweden) but away goals didn't play a role. So Israel did have a path to qualification if they could have beaten the Faroes by a large enough margin.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Fri Nov 12 16:59:53 2021
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 7:36:30 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:44:24 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:37:44 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Let's see if we can find a case where both teams had to pile it on ruthlessly on some minnow.
    Group G in 2014: Bosnia and Greece tied on points on the eve of the last matchday, Greece home to Liechtenstein, Bosnia away in Lithuania. Greeks only had to make up a differential of 17 in GD...not exactly a nailbiter (in the end they could only beat Liechtenstein 2-0)
    Group 4 in WCQ2006: Not exactly a last matchday shootout, but Israel went into the last batch of matches one point behind Switzerland. I don't know exactly why, but the schedule was unbalanced: Israel had only a home game against the Faroes, Switzerland had two games left, at home to France and away to Ireland. Switzerland with +11 GD, Israel with +4.

    A large win over the Faroes would have forced the Swiss to win the last match. Instead, it ended 2-1, and Switzerland advanced to the next round with two draws.

    Hmmm... it looks as if in 2006 the first tiebreaker was H2H (Croatia won its group despite having a worst GD than Sweden) but away goals didn't play a role. So Israel did have a path to qualification if they could have beaten the Faroes by a large enough margin.
    WCQ2002 , Group 9
    England and Germany got to the last day equal on points, with England with a +6 in GD (that 5-1 ...). England hosting Greece, Germany Finland. Was it inconceivable that Germany could make up the GD? In the end, Germany-Finland ended 0-0, while England was losing to Greece until the 93rd minute...
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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 12:47:42 2021
    Saturday is the big day. The previous days had a bunch of dead
    rubbers, but today every match has qualification impact.

    First game of the day (15:00 CET) is Bosnia vs Finland. The winner
    will overtake Ukraine for second place in Group D. A draw will have
    Finland level on points, and one down on GD, with Ukraine.

    Final matchday has Finland - France and Bosnia - Ukraine. So a draw
    and a win will likely be enough for Bosnia.
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  • From Binder Dundat@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 06:31:51 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 7:47:45 AM UTC-5, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Saturday is the big day. The previous days had a bunch of dead
    rubbers, but today every match has qualification impact.

    First game of the day (15:00 CET) is Bosnia vs Finland. The winner
    will overtake Ukraine for second place in Group D. A draw will have
    Finland level on points, and one down on GD, with Ukraine.

    Final matchday has Finland - France and Bosnia - Ukraine. So a draw
    and a win will likely be enough for Bosnia.
    What is it with missed PKs this week? The Super Komputer cant handle it and glitches out every time a PK is missed I think it has something to do with it already programming the goal as scored and then when the PK is missed the gears all go the wrong way and wierd shit happens). The Pukki Monster missed his PK today.
    Finland leading 1-0, slight redemption for Pukki with the assist
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 08:43:37 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 9:31:52 AM UTC-5, Binder Dundat wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 7:47:45 AM UTC-5, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    Saturday is the big day. The previous days had a bunch of dead
    rubbers, but today every match has qualification impact.

    First game of the day (15:00 CET) is Bosnia vs Finland. The winner
    will overtake Ukraine for second place in Group D. A draw will have Finland level on points, and one down on GD, with Ukraine.

    Final matchday has Finland - France and Bosnia - Ukraine. So a draw
    and a win will likely be enough for Bosnia.
    What is it with missed PKs this week? The Super Komputer cant handle it and glitches out every time a PK is missed I think it has something to do with it already programming the goal as scored and then when the PK is missed the gears all go the wrong way and wierd shit happens). The Pukki Monster missed his PK today.

    Finland leading 1-0, slight redemption for Pukki with the assist
    The Pukki-boys win 3-1, and they are now on 11 points, having to host France (who will presumably have secured the top spot by then). Bosnia is out. Ukraine will have to beat Bosnia away and hope in a Finland slip-up. Ukraine has H2H advantage over Finland, so if they finish equal on points, GD and goals scored (e.g. FIN-FRA 0-0 and BIH-UKR 0-1), Ukraine advances to the playoff.
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 19:16:08 2021
    Futbolmetrix a utiliso son clavier pour ocrire :

    Group 4 in WCQ2006: Not exactly a last matchday shootout, but
    Israel went into the last batch of matches one point behind
    Switzerland. I don't know exactly why, but the schedule was
    unbalanced: Israel had only a home game against the Faroes,
    Switzerland had two games left, at home to France and away to
    Ireland. Switzerland with +11 GD, Israel with +4.

    A large win over the Faroes would have forced the Swiss to
    win the last match. Instead, it ended 2-1, and Switzerland
    advanced to the next round with two draws.

    If Switzerland would have scored and won in Ireland while
    France was only winning 4-0 versus Cyprus, Switzerland would
    have finished first before France for one goal.

    --
    Ixion
    Paris sort piteusement de la Coupe d'Europe.
    Pas de doute, c'est bien un club Frantais
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 19:16:44 2021
    Futbolmetrix avait soumis l'idoe :
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-5, Werner
    Pichler wrote:

    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference
    showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have
    been.

    Spain-Malta in Euro2004 qualifying

    1984, you mean.

    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a oto mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 11:00:37 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Futbolmetrix avait soumis l'id|-e :
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-5, Werner
    Pichler wrote:

    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference
    showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have
    been.

    Spain-Malta in Euro2004 qualifying
    1984, you mean.
    Yes, of course.
    In the meanwhile, Norway is held to a goalless draw at home vs Latvia, while Turkey puts 6 behind Gibraltar. The two are now equal on points, but Turkey is ahead on GD.
    MNE - TUR and NED - NOR on the last matchday. If NED beats Montenegro later today, they qualify and won't have much to play for.
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 20:02:02 2021
    vedran a penso tr*s fort :
    On 12.11.2021. 22:45, MH wrote:

    Really ? That is happening?


    Shouldn't be surprising, all kinds of crap is going on
    elsewhere too, the question is how much more
    people here can tolerate this from our scumbag politicians.
    It is estimated half a million people left the
    country in the past 10 years (because of corruption, long
    before covid), at least those who got fired can leave
    somewhere else like others did. There are now protests (still
    not that massive) all over the country because of mandatory
    covid passes introduced on 16.11. for those who work in
    public sector, this is in Split where match will be held,
    at the same time stadium Poljud in Split is expected to be
    full
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A2h3XD6exE

    We have the same type of crazy decisions in France.

    Our carers were sent in hospitals with garbage bags as medical
    clothe and sometimes no masks. Some of them died because of
    that. Everynight at 8pm, French people applauded them at the
    window.

    On year later, the government decided to force the carers to be
    vaccinated, but only with Pfizer or Moderna (beform=e Moderna
    was suspended because too dangerous). If not, they are
    suspended (like firemen but not police officers, strangely)
    with no money (and cannot do another job) to have refused to
    inoculate an on-test product .

    People do not support them. Rather, a lot of people applause
    the decision of a government which spent all the time lying us,
    saying that carers refusing to be vacinated are criminal.

    Note that all people have to be vaccinated. If not they cannot
    go to cinema, restaurant, show, swimming pools, sport halls or
    worse to hospital even if they are sane. It is annoying but we
    can still work and live at home.

    (in fact we do not have obligation to be vaccinated but if we
    are not, we have to do a test costing something like 40 to 50
    euros with a two days validity but for the majority, it is the
    same thing).

    This tool is called "sanitary pass" and has been current since
    the end of July. Everyone promised that it was only until
    November 15th but ten days ago they extended it until the end
    of... July, swearing it will be current only until under
    necessity (but still current in spite of a very low incidence).

    This week, the president announced that soon the sanitar pass
    will be unvalid unless vaccinated people over 65 does a third
    injection then after people from 50 to 65 (and everyone later,
    for sure).

    Instead of that, a quarter of the population wants to see
    Macron reelected.

    France was a country reputed to have a lot of protests but
    noone reacts. Worse, rare people denouncing exagerated decision
    and worring authoriarian deviation are tagged conspirationists
    or unconscious by medias.

    Our country becomes mad ! France is not yet Australia (thanks
    to God) but we go to a nightmare.

    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a oto mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 13:32:06 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 2:00:38 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Futbolmetrix avait soumis l'id|-e :
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-5, Werner
    Pichler wrote:

    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference
    showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have
    been.

    Spain-Malta in Euro2004 qualifying
    1984, you mean.
    Yes, of course.

    In the meanwhile, Norway is held to a goalless draw at home vs Latvia, while Turkey puts 6 behind Gibraltar. The two are now equal on points, but Turkey is ahead on GD.
    MNE - TUR and NED - NOR on the last matchday. If NED beats Montenegro later today, they qualify and won't have much to play for.
    NED seemed to be cruising towards qualification, but concede two goals in the last 10 minutes, and it's now MNE-NED 2-2.
    If it stays this way, they will need points against Norway
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 13:41:22 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:32:08 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 2:00:38 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 1:16:46 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Futbolmetrix avait soumis l'id|-e :
    On Friday, November 12, 2021 at 5:04:42 PM UTC-5, Werner
    Pichler wrote:

    When was the last time we had a similar Goal Difference
    showdown in qualifiers? Can't remember, but there must have
    been.

    Spain-Malta in Euro2004 qualifying
    1984, you mean.
    Yes, of course.

    In the meanwhile, Norway is held to a goalless draw at home vs Latvia, while Turkey puts 6 behind Gibraltar. The two are now equal on points, but Turkey is ahead on GD.
    MNE - TUR and NED - NOR on the last matchday. If NED beats Montenegro later today, they qualify and won't have much to play for.
    NED seemed to be cruising towards qualification, but concede two goals in the last 10 minutes, and it's now MNE-NED 2-2.
    If it stays this way, they will need points against Norway
    FT: 2-2
    NED, TUR and NOR can all either qualify directly or crash out in Group G. France and Belgium are in Qatar. Comfortable win by Wales over Belarus, and the Welsh are now a point away from securing a playoff spot.
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 23:04:46 2021
    Futbolmetrix a prosento l'ononco suivant :

    NED, TUR and NOR can all either qualify directly or crash out
    in Group G.

    France and Belgium are in Qatar. Comfortable win by Wales
    over Belarus, and the Welsh are now a point away from
    securing a playoff spot.

    Qualified :
    - France
    - Belgium
    - Denmark
    - Germany
    - England (I cannot imagine England lose verses San Marino,
    maybe concede the first goal in the first minute :))

    At least in play-off, maybe qualified :
    - Portugal
    - Serbia
    - Spain
    - Sweden
    - Italy
    - Switzerland
    - Russia
    - Croatia
    - Poland

    In play-off :
    - Scotland
    - Wales
    - Czech Republic
    - Austria

    May qualify, be in play-off or eliminated :
    - Netherlands
    - Turkey
    - Norway

    At best in play-off :
    - Ukrain
    - Finland
    - Macedonia
    - Romania
    - Armenia (0.0001%)

    --
    Ixion
    Bordeaux premier club a remporter la coupe
    de France sans jamais jouer a domicile.
    A jamais les premiers.
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 14:44:43 2021
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:47:18 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:10:12 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    It's the final two matchdays of the group stage.

    Biggest story of the early matches is Georgia - Sweden 2-0. Looks big,
    but might not have that big an impact in the end. Sweden's final match
    is away to Spain, who are trailing by 2 points ahead of their match in Greece tonight. So all it really does, is change what happens in case
    of a draw.

    More impact comes from Armenia - Macedonia 0-5. The two teams were
    tied on third with 12 points, behind Romania with 13. Armenia is practically eliminated now (mathematically if H2H is the tiebreaker).
    We have a lot of 'finals' for direct qualification coming up.

    Portugal - Serbia (Serbia need a win, unless Portugal lose tonight against Ireland)
    Spain - Sweden (Sweden need a win, unless Spain squander their current lead against Greece)
    Croatia - Russia (Croatia need a win)
    Italy - Switzerland (both are on even points and have one more winnable match after that)

    Since the Dutch shat the bed in Podgorica, also Netherlands vs. Norway.

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 13 20:00:31 2021
    On 2021-11-13 15:44, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:47:18 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:10:12 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote: >>> It's the final two matchdays of the group stage.

    Biggest story of the early matches is Georgia - Sweden 2-0. Looks big,
    but might not have that big an impact in the end. Sweden's final match
    is away to Spain, who are trailing by 2 points ahead of their match in
    Greece tonight. So all it really does, is change what happens in case
    of a draw.

    More impact comes from Armenia - Macedonia 0-5. The two teams were
    tied on third with 12 points, behind Romania with 13. Armenia is
    practically eliminated now (mathematically if H2H is the tiebreaker).
    We have a lot of 'finals' for direct qualification coming up.

    Portugal - Serbia (Serbia need a win, unless Portugal lose tonight against Ireland)
    Spain - Sweden (Sweden need a win, unless Spain squander their current lead against Greece)
    Croatia - Russia (Croatia need a win)
    Italy - Switzerland (both are on even points and have one more winnable match after that)

    Since the Dutch shat the bed in Podgorica, also Netherlands vs. Norway.


    Africa has quite a few showdowns for first place coming up. Cameroon -
    C||te d'Ivoire, Algeria - Burkina Faso, Nigeria -Cape Verde, Ghana
    _South Africa, DR Congo -Benin.

    Ciao,
    Werner

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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 14 07:07:17 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 10:00:37 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    Africa has quite a few showdowns for first place coming up. Cameroon -
    C||te d'Ivoire, Algeria - Burkina Faso, Nigeria -Cape Verde, Ghana
    _South Africa, DR Congo -Benin.
    DR Congo wins 2-0 and advances to the next round.
    Other CAF qualifiers: Mali, Egypt, Senegal and Morocco.
    In addition to the matches listed by MH, the other group still open is Group B.
    Tunisia 10 +7
    Equatorial Guinea 10 +1
    Zambia 7 +1
    Tunisia hosts Zambia, who still have a theoretical chance to qualify, while EQG visit bottom-feeders Mauritania. Advantage Tunisia, I would say.
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 14 09:55:53 2021
    On 2021-11-14 08:07, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 10:00:37 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:

    Africa has quite a few showdowns for first place coming up. Cameroon -
    C||te d'Ivoire, Algeria - Burkina Faso, Nigeria -Cape Verde, Ghana
    _South Africa, DR Congo -Benin.

    DR Congo wins 2-0 and advances to the next round.

    Could they qualify for the first time since 1974 ? If the draw is kind
    to them, they certainly could.

    Other CAF qualifiers: Mali, Egypt, Senegal and Morocco.


    For no particularly good reason, I would like Mali and Senegal to qualify.

    In addition to the matches listed by MH, the other group still open is Group B.
    Tunisia 10 +7
    Equatorial Guinea 10 +1
    Zambia 7 +1

    Tunisia hosts Zambia, who still have a theoretical chance to qualify, while EQG visit bottom-feeders Mauritania. Advantage Tunisia, I would say.



    New teams that could still qualify for the world cup: Mali, EG, Zambia,
    Cape Verde, Burkina Faso,
    After today, I would say that there is a good chance that only Mali will
    be left, but you never know.



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  • From Raja Nadar@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 14 13:55:21 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 10:55:58 AM UTC-6, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-14 08:07, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 10:00:37 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:

    Africa has quite a few showdowns for first place coming up. Cameroon -
    C||te d'Ivoire, Algeria - Burkina Faso, Nigeria -Cape Verde, Ghana
    _South Africa, DR Congo -Benin.

    DR Congo wins 2-0 and advances to the next round.
    Could they qualify for the first time since 1974 ? If the draw is kind
    to them, they certainly could.

    Other CAF qualifiers: Mali, Egypt, Senegal and Morocco.
    I have a good reason to support Mali. Their music. I like Mande and Songhai music... and the kora. Senegalese music not bad either.
    For no particularly good reason, I would like Mali and Senegal to qualify.
    In addition to the matches listed by MH, the other group still open is Group B.
    Tunisia 10 +7
    Equatorial Guinea 10 +1
    Zambia 7 +1

    Tunisia hosts Zambia, who still have a theoretical chance to qualify, while EQG visit bottom-feeders Mauritania. Advantage Tunisia, I would say.


    New teams that could still qualify for the world cup: Mali, EG, Zambia,
    Cape Verde, Burkina Faso,
    After today, I would say that there is a good chance that only Mali will
    be left, but you never know.
    Yep



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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 14 14:51:49 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 11:55:58 AM UTC-5, MH wrote:
    On 2021-11-14 08:07, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 10:00:37 PM UTC-5, MH wrote:

    Africa has quite a few showdowns for first place coming up. Cameroon -
    C||te d'Ivoire, Algeria - Burkina Faso, Nigeria -Cape Verde, Ghana
    _South Africa, DR Congo -Benin.
    Ghana edges past South Africa and advances to the next round.

    DR Congo wins 2-0 and advances to the next round.
    Could they qualify for the first time since 1974 ? If the draw is kind
    to them, they certainly could.
    Plot twist. DRC coach (Hector Cuper of Valencia and Inter's 5 maggio fame) apparently used four slots to make substitutions, in violation of FIFA rules. Automatic 3-0 win to Benin?
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 14 14:55:03 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:51:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Plot twist. DRC coach (Hector Cuper of Valencia and Inter's 5 maggio fame) apparently used four slots to make substitutions, in violation of FIFA rules. Automatic 3-0 win to Benin?

    https://twitter.com/bylka613_/status/1460005402372972545?s=20
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 14 14:59:07 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:51:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Plot twist. DRC coach (Hector Cuper of Valencia and Inter's 5 maggio fame) apparently used four slots to make substitutions, in violation of FIFA rules. Automatic 3-0 win to Benin?
    https://twitter.com/bylka613_/status/1460005402372972545?s=20

    After we've all had a good laugh at Hector Cuper, it's fair to say that this "5 subs in three slots" rule is massively confusing, and a mixup was bound to happen sooner or later...
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sun Nov 14 15:37:19 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 11:59:09 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:51:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Plot twist. DRC coach (Hector Cuper of Valencia and Inter's 5 maggio fame) apparently used four slots to make substitutions, in violation of FIFA rules. Automatic 3-0 win to Benin?

    https://twitter.com/bylka613_/status/1460005402372972545?s=20

    After we've all had a good laugh at Hector Cuper, it's fair to say that this "5 subs in three slots" rule is massively confusing, and a mixup was bound to happen sooner or later...

    Yeah, no. It's true that Roma last season and Wolfsburg this year screwed up regarding
    extra subs in extra time in cup competitions, but counting to three slots shouldn't be too
    hard. I find it a bit sad that it's always CAF that has this kind of stories - there's been no
    qualification campaign without a certain number of matches being replayed or their
    results changed around.


    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Nov 15 17:15:31 2021
    On 13.11.2021. 20:02, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:

    France was a country reputed to have a lot of protests but noone reacts.

    Our country becomes mad ! France is not yet Australia (thanks to God)
    but we go to a nightmare.

    Yes, it's the same/similar pattern everywhere. They are tightening the
    grip, we'll see for how long.
    I thought I saw some protest in France not that long ago, I would
    definitely expect
    from French to protest. One of the Youtubers I watch just mentioned
    Macron and his
    new regulation, Eli's take on all this is pretty reasonable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-H19QEvMz8
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  • From vedran@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Mon Nov 15 17:17:10 2021
    On 12.11.2021. 22:21, vedran wrote:

    President Vucic surprised Serbian football team before departure for Portugal,

    Trying to find something positive about this result, I guess most hated
    person in Serbia will be even more irritating for them from now on, he
    said he will
    ask the players to go at least to SF on the WC https://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2021&mm=11&dd=15&nav_category=11&nav_id=2056933

    At the same time Mamic is again sucking up https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/mamic-zelim-finale-svjetskog-prvenstva-hrvatska-srbija/2318545.aspx?index_ref=naslovnica_sport_ostalo_d
    by saying his usual mantra that Serbia always had at least as good
    players as Croatia...
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 10:38:04 2021
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:37:20 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 11:59:09 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:51:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Plot twist. DRC coach (Hector Cuper of Valencia and Inter's 5 maggio fame) apparently used four slots to make substitutions, in violation of FIFA rules. Automatic 3-0 win to Benin?

    https://twitter.com/bylka613_/status/1460005402372972545?s=20

    After we've all had a good laugh at Hector Cuper, it's fair to say that this "5 subs in three slots" rule is massively confusing, and a mixup was bound to happen sooner or later...
    Yeah, no. It's true that Roma last season and Wolfsburg this year screwed up regarding
    extra subs in extra time in cup competitions, but counting to three slots shouldn't be too
    hard. I find it a bit sad that it's always CAF that has this kind of stories - there's been no
    qualification campaign without a certain number of matches being replayed or their
    results changed around.


    I haven't seen any follow-up on this, so maybe Congo is going to be OK?

    In the meanwhile, Nigeria and Algeria secure passage to the next round, both hanging on to home draws against their direct opponents.
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  • From Raja Nadar@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 10:50:22 2021
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 12:38:06 PM UTC-6, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:37:20 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 11:59:09 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:51:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Plot twist. DRC coach (Hector Cuper of Valencia and Inter's 5 maggio fame) apparently used four slots to make substitutions, in violation of FIFA rules. Automatic 3-0 win to Benin?

    https://twitter.com/bylka613_/status/1460005402372972545?s=20

    After we've all had a good laugh at Hector Cuper, it's fair to say that this "5 subs in three slots" rule is massively confusing, and a mixup was bound to happen sooner or later...
    Yeah, no. It's true that Roma last season and Wolfsburg this year screwed up regarding
    extra subs in extra time in cup competitions, but counting to three slots shouldn't be too
    hard. I find it a bit sad that it's always CAF that has this kind of stories - there's been no
    qualification campaign without a certain number of matches being replayed or their
    results changed around.

    I haven't seen any follow-up on this, so maybe Congo is going to be OK?

    In the meanwhile, Nigeria and Algeria secure passage to the next round, both hanging on to home draws against their direct opponents.
    The question here will be how many of them will be Islamic vs how many non-Islamic... at WC 2018, it was loaded with Islamic nations.
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  • From Raja Nadar@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 12:43:23 2021
    On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 4:44:45 PM UTC-6, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:47:18 PM UTC+1, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Thursday, November 11, 2021 at 9:10:12 PM UTC+1, Jesper Lauridsen wrote:
    It's the final two matchdays of the group stage.

    Biggest story of the early matches is Georgia - Sweden 2-0. Looks big, but might not have that big an impact in the end. Sweden's final match is away to Spain, who are trailing by 2 points ahead of their match in Greece tonight. So all it really does, is change what happens in case
    of a draw.

    More impact comes from Armenia - Macedonia 0-5. The two teams were
    tied on third with 12 points, behind Romania with 13. Armenia is practically eliminated now (mathematically if H2H is the tiebreaker).
    We have a lot of 'finals' for direct qualification coming up.

    Portugal - Serbia (Serbia need a win, unless Portugal lose tonight against Ireland)
    Spain - Sweden (Sweden need a win, unless Spain squander their current lead against Greece)
    Croatia - Russia (Croatia need a win)
    Italy - Switzerland (both are on even points and have one more winnable match after that)

    Since the Dutch shat the bed in Podgorica, also Netherlands vs. Norway.

    Ciao,
    Werner
    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win... not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will be knocked out with the current scenario?
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  • From ixion martin - GdBx@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 21:47:02 2021
    Raja Nadar vient de nous annoncer :

    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win...
    not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will
    be knocked out with the current scenario?

    Half-time on the seven matches. Seven draws for the moment.

    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a oto mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Binder Dundat@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 13:00:35 2021
    Kinda back to lockdown football in Holland, which is what I will blame for this game being so boring.
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Raja Nadar vient de nous annoncer :
    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win...
    not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will
    be knocked out with the current scenario?
    Half-time on the seven matches. Seven draws for the moment.
    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a |-t|- mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Real Mardin@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 13:05:59 2021
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:00:36 PM UTC, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Kinda back to lockdown football in Holland, which is what I will blame for this game being so boring.
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Raja Nadar vient de nous annoncer :
    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win...
    not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will
    be knocked out with the current scenario?
    Half-time on the seven matches. Seven draws for the moment.
    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a |-t|- mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
    Deflected shot from outside the area goes in off the post and puts Turkey 2-1 up (scorer: Orkun)
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 13:38:09 2021
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:06:02 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:00:36 PM UTC, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Kinda back to lockdown football in Holland, which is what I will blame for this game being so boring.
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Raja Nadar vient de nous annoncer :
    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win...
    not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will
    be knocked out with the current scenario?
    Half-time on the seven matches. Seven draws for the moment.
    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a |-t|- mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
    Deflected shot from outside the area goes in off the post and puts Turkey 2-1 up (scorer: Orkun)
    Bergwijn puts NED ahead in the the 83' minute, and then unselfishly sets up Memphis for the second goal. No Haaland in Qatar :-/ And no Pukki either.
    Also, none of the Ivorian players (Kessie, Haller, Cornet, Pepe, Bailly, Aurier...)They came close to equalizing in the dying minutes against Cameroon, but no luck.
    Tunisia also advancing to the next round.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Futbolmetrix@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 13:44:35 2021
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:38:10 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:06:02 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:00:36 PM UTC, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Kinda back to lockdown football in Holland, which is what I will blame for this game being so boring.
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Raja Nadar vient de nous annoncer :
    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win...
    not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will
    be knocked out with the current scenario?
    Half-time on the seven matches. Seven draws for the moment.
    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a |-t|- mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
    Deflected shot from outside the area goes in off the post and puts Turkey 2-1 up (scorer: Orkun)
    Bergwijn puts NED ahead in the the 83' minute, and then unselfishly sets up Memphis for the second goal. No Haaland in Qatar :-/ And no Pukki either.

    Also, none of the Ivorian players (Kessie, Haller, Cornet, Pepe, Bailly, Aurier...)They came close to equalizing in the dying minutes against Cameroon, but no luck.

    Tunisia also advancing to the next round.
    If wikipedia is to be believed, the UEFA playoff is set:
    Seeded: Portugal, Scotland, Italy, Russia, Sweden, Wales
    Unseeded: Turkey, Poland, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Austria, Czech Republic Wales hanging on to a draw against Belgium crucial to getting them the last seeded slot. I'd be happy to avoid Lewandowski, but they are all tricky in one way or the other...
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Real Mardin@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 14:36:43 2021
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:44:36 PM UTC, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:38:10 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:06:02 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:00:36 PM UTC, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Kinda back to lockdown football in Holland, which is what I will blame for this game being so boring.
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Raja Nadar vient de nous annoncer :
    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win...
    not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will
    be knocked out with the current scenario?
    Half-time on the seven matches. Seven draws for the moment.
    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a |-t|- mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
    Deflected shot from outside the area goes in off the post and puts Turkey 2-1 up (scorer: Orkun)
    Bergwijn puts NED ahead in the the 83' minute, and then unselfishly sets up Memphis for the second goal. No Haaland in Qatar :-/ And no Pukki either.

    Also, none of the Ivorian players (Kessie, Haller, Cornet, Pepe, Bailly, Aurier...)They came close to equalizing in the dying minutes against Cameroon, but no luck.

    Tunisia also advancing to the next round.
    If wikipedia is to be believed, the UEFA playoff is set:

    Seeded: Portugal, Scotland, Italy, Russia, Sweden, Wales
    Unseeded: Turkey, Poland, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Austria, Czech Republic

    It seems obvious to say I'd want Turkey to avoid Italy and Portugal, but then in a one off game as the away side there's no game you'd say was comfortable. We tend to do reasonably well against Sweden and our last three games with Russia have produced two draws and a win, so I guess I'd prefer one of those two. Even if we're technically superior I wouldn't really fancy Scotland or Wales away in a one off game, both in good form cheered on by passionate home support might not make for a comfortable experience, not to mention Wales gives me a personal conflict with two parents on each side.
    RM
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From MH@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Tue Nov 16 16:52:49 2021
    On 2021-11-16 14:44, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:38:10 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:06:02 PM UTC-5, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:00:36 PM UTC, Binder Dundat wrote:
    Kinda back to lockdown football in Holland, which is what I will blame for this game being so boring.
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 3:47:04 PM UTC-5, ixion martin - GdBx wrote:
    Raja Nadar vient de nous annoncer :
    Not sure what is Norway's strategy here. They need a win...
    not even a single shot on goal yet. Do they know they will
    be knocked out with the current scenario?
    Half-time on the seven matches. Seven draws for the moment.
    --
    Ixion
    La VAR est une technologie qui a |-t|- mise
    en place pour envoyer Bordeaux en L2.
    Deflected shot from outside the area goes in off the post and puts Turkey 2-1 up (scorer: Orkun)
    Bergwijn puts NED ahead in the the 83' minute, and then unselfishly sets up Memphis for the second goal. No Haaland in Qatar :-/ And no Pukki either.

    Also, none of the Ivorian players (Kessie, Haller, Cornet, Pepe, Bailly, Aurier...)They came close to equalizing in the dying minutes against Cameroon, but no luck.

    Tunisia also advancing to the next round.

    If wikipedia is to be believed, the UEFA playoff is set:

    Seeded: Portugal, Scotland, Italy, Russia, Sweden, Wales
    Unseeded: Turkey, Poland, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Austria, Czech Republic

    Wales hanging on to a draw against Belgium crucial to getting them the last seeded slot. I'd be happy to avoid Lewandowski, but they are all tricky in one way or the other...


    You could have a path with all of Italy, Portugal, Poland and the Czech Republic.

    Or you could end up with one of Scotland or Wales, North Macedonia, and
    Turkey or Ukraine in the same path as Italy. None of the latter three
    did much in the Euros. In fact 4 out of 5 went out in the group stage
    and Wales were lucky to get to the K.o. where they were thrashed.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Nov 17 06:06:09 2021
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 10:44:36 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Seeded: Portugal, Scotland, Italy, Russia, Sweden, Wales
    Unseeded: Turkey, Poland, North Macedonia, Ukraine, Austria, Czech Republic

    Wales hanging on to a draw against Belgium crucial to getting them the last seeded slot. I'd be happy to avoid Lewandowski, but they are all tricky in one way or
    the other...

    I would find it quite ironic if we got to play Scotland again, as it would kind of make most of both
    sides' qualifying campaigns so far rather pointless.

    Also, home advantage for the seeded teams is OK for the first play-off round, but I find it unfair
    that in the three finals it's purely down to the luck of the draw.

    Either make it a proper knock-out round with home and away matches (a bit of a scheduling
    problem, admittedly), have it played on neutral ground, or at least give it to the team with the
    better record in the group stages. I believe all three of those methods have been used for
    UEFA play-offs in the past.

    Ciao,
    Werner
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Bruce Scott@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Nov 17 15:16:18 2021
    On 2021-11-16, Futbolmetrix <daniele.paserman@gmail.com> wrote:

    Also, none of the Ivorian players (Kessie, Haller, Cornet, Pepe,
    Bailly, Aurier...)They came close to equalizing in the dying minutes
    against Cameroon, but no luck.

    But now we will have Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting in there for FCB!

    --
    ciao, Bruce
    (he was on quarantine, so I guess he didn't play... contact person
    for Niklas Suele)
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Nov 17 07:33:41 2021
    On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 4:16:22 PM UTC+1, Bruce Scott wrote:
    On 2021-11-16, Futbolmetrix <daniele....@gmail.com> wrote:

    Also, none of the Ivorian players (Kessie, Haller, Cornet, Pepe,
    Bailly, Aurier...)They came close to equalizing in the dying minutes against Cameroon, but no luck.
    But now we will have Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting in there for FCB!

    --
    ciao, Bruce
    (he was on quarantine, so I guess he didn't play... contact person
    for Niklas Suele)

    Oh, he played.


    Ciao,
    Werner
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Werner Pichler@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Wed Nov 17 07:54:52 2021
    On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 7:38:06 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:37:20 PM UTC-5, Werner Pichler wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 11:59:09 PM UTC+1, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:55:04 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:
    On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 5:51:50 PM UTC-5, Futbolmetrix wrote:

    Plot twist. DRC coach (Hector Cuper of Valencia and Inter's 5 maggio fame) apparently used four slots to make substitutions, in violation of FIFA rules. Automatic 3-0 win to Benin?

    https://twitter.com/bylka613_/status/1460005402372972545?s=20

    After we've all had a good laugh at Hector Cuper, it's fair to say that this "5 subs in three slots" rule is massively confusing, and a mixup was bound to happen
    sooner or later...

    Yeah, no. It's true that Roma last season and Wolfsburg this year screwed up regarding
    extra subs in extra time in cup competitions, but counting to three slots shouldn't be too
    hard. I find it a bit sad that it's always CAF that has this kind of stories - there's been no
    qualification campaign without a certain number of matches being replayed or their
    results changed around.

    I haven't seen any follow-up on this, so maybe Congo is going to be OK?

    FIFA have only yesterday confirmed that they have received the complaint and will now look into it.

    In the meanwhile, Nigeria and Algeria secure passage to the next round, both hanging on to home draws against their direct opponents.

    Quite remarkable that, despite some close shaves, in CAF every single Pot 1 team
    won their group (DR Congo/Benin situation not taken into account).

    Ciao,
    Werner
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  • From Bruce Scott@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Thu Nov 18 14:59:30 2021
    On 2021-11-17, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 4:16:22 PM UTC+1, Bruce Scott wrote:
    But now we will have Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting in there for FCB!
    Oh, he played.

    I read when I got home, he "tested himself free" as they say here

    --
    ciao, Bruce
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Jesper Lauridsen@24:150/2 to rec.sport.soccer on Sat Nov 20 15:16:50 2021
    On 2021-11-12, Werner Pichler <wpichler@gmail.com> wrote:

    I also quite like that Little Denmark ruined Big Denmark's perfect
    defensive record in the 89th minute.

    Your words will not be forgotten.
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