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    From leonard hofstatder@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jul 4 20:20:41 2022
    Insane...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1543900243678437376
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jul 5 10:25:10 2022
    On 7/4/2022 9:20 PM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    Insane...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1543900243678437376

    But for a stout catch fence... Reminiscent of the 2018 Macao GP crash.
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  • From D Munz@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jul 6 05:40:48 2022
    On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:25:15 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
    On 7/4/2022 9:20 PM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    Insane... https://mobile.twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1543900243678437376

    But for a stout catch fence... Reminiscent of the 2018 Macao GP crash.

    Even so, you have to wonder if people on the front row were cleaning carbon fiber bits out of their teeth.

    Begs another question however - why is there a gap between the barrier and the fence? I've not noticed that elsewhere but haven't really looked for it.
    It seems like a bit of a deathtrap. If there had been a fire...

    FWIW
    DLM
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jul 6 14:55:46 2022
    D Munz <dlmunz@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:25:15 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
    On 7/4/2022 9:20 PM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    Insane...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1543900243678437376

    But for a stout catch fence... Reminiscent of the 2018 Macao GP crash.

    Even so, you have to wonder if people on the front row were cleaning
    carbon fiber bits out of their teeth.

    Begs another question however - why is there a gap between the barrier
    and the fence? I've not noticed that elsewhere but haven't really
    looked for it.
    It seems like a bit of a deathtrap. If there had been a fire...

    I think the gap makes sense...but I wouldn't make it almost precisely
    the height of an F1 car such that it can be wedged in like that. I would
    have thought that having a wider gap would have been better for where it
    came to rest, extracting the driver and for fighting fires.
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jul 6 23:54:02 2022
    On 7/6/2022 10:55 AM, Mark wrote:
    D Munz <dlmunz@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:25:15 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
    On 7/4/2022 9:20 PM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    Insane...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1543900243678437376

    But for a stout catch fence... Reminiscent of the 2018 Macao GP crash.

    Even so, you have to wonder if people on the front row were cleaning
    carbon fiber bits out of their teeth.

    I wondered about that. It probably helped that the grandstands are
    elevated - anything that went straight through the (vertical portion of
    the) catch fence would have hit the metal facing below the exposed
    spectators in the front row.

    Begs another question however - why is there a gap between the barrier
    and the fence? I've not noticed that elsewhere but haven't really
    looked for it.
    It seems like a bit of a deathtrap. If there had been a fire...

    I think the gap makes sense

    Presumably to permit the tire barrier to "give" more by moving into the gap.

    but I wouldn't make it almost precisely
    the height of an F1 car such that it can be wedged in like that. I would
    have thought that having a wider gap would have been better for where it
    came to rest, extracting the driver and for fighting fires.

    Larger would be better, although movement of the tire barrier would
    reduce the gap during an actual crash.

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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jul 7 09:20:52 2022
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 7/6/2022 10:55 AM, Mark wrote:

    but I wouldn't make it almost precisely
    the height of an F1 car such that it can be wedged in like that. I would
    have thought that having a wider gap would have been better for where it
    came to rest, extracting the driver and for fighting fires.

    Larger would be better, although movement of the tire barrier would
    reduce the gap during an actual crash.

    Yes, but if you look the barrier is held back by Armco which limits how
    far it can move. Even with significant impacts, several layers of tyres
    should absorb enough that the Armco doesn't move and reduce that gap in
    most cases.
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  • From D Munz@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jul 7 05:26:27 2022
    On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:54:07 PM UTC-5, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 7/6/2022 10:55 AM, Mark wrote:
    D Munz <dlm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Even so, you have to wonder if people on the front row were cleaning
    carbon fiber bits out of their teeth.
    I wondered about that. It probably helped that the grandstands are
    elevated - anything that went straight through the (vertical portion of
    the) catch fence would have hit the metal facing below the exposed spectators in the front row.
    There is another video floating around (I think on Peter Windsor's twitter feed) from a couple of rows back that shows people in the front row ducking down below the facing as Zhou's car hits. It was taken by a 13-year old who was either very brave or just didn't understand the danger.
    As we see more video, it is apparent that this could have been very tragic for both Zhou and the fans.
    It really is amazing how far safety has progressed in motorsport.
    FWIW
    DLM
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jul 7 21:39:06 2022
    D Munz wrote:

    On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 10:54:07 PM UTC-5, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 7/6/2022 10:55 AM, Mark wrote:
    D Munz <dlm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Even so, you have to wonder if people on the front row were
    cleaning >> carbon fiber bits out of their teeth.
    I wondered about that. It probably helped that the grandstands are elevated - anything that went straight through the (vertical
    portion of the) catch fence would have hit the metal facing below
    the exposed spectators in the front row.

    There is another video floating around (I think on Peter Windsor's
    twitter feed) from a couple of rows back that shows people in the
    front row ducking down below the facing as Zhou's car hits. It was
    taken by a 13-year old who was either very brave or just didn't
    understand the danger.

    As we see more video, it is apparent that this could have been very
    tragic for both Zhou and the fans.

    It really is amazing how far safety has progressed in motorsport.

    FWIW
    DLM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYechDbj308&t=6s

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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jul 7 16:30:52 2022
    On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 3:39:08 PM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYechDbj308&t=6s

    fuck you
    and fuck your link
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Jul 9 07:57:48 2022
    On Wed, 6 Jul 2022 05:40:48 -0700 (PDT), D Munz wrote:

    On Tuesday, July 5, 2022 at 9:25:15 AM UTC-5, News wrote:
    On 7/4/2022 9:20 PM, leonard hofstatder wrote:
    Insane...
    https://mobile.twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1543900243678437376

    But for a stout catch fence... Reminiscent of the 2018 Macao GP crash.

    Even so, you have to wonder if people on the front row were cleaning
    carbon fiber bits out of their teeth.

    Begs another question however - why is there a gap between the barrier
    and the fence? I've not noticed that elsewhere but haven't really looked
    for it.
    It seems like a bit of a deathtrap. If there had been a fire...

    FWIW DLM

    good call on the distance but I would suggest 1.5 - 2 times car WIDTH, so
    a reasonable amount of access to a car in almost any position (falt , on
    its side, upside down etc.



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