• '22 Azerbaijan DotD?

    From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Jun 12 12:57:18 2022
    Your pick for DotD?
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  • From Phil Carmody@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 13 17:39:54 2022
    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
    Your pick for DotD?

    I can't say VER because I can't be sure the pitstops wouldn't have
    unwound in Ferrari's favour if they'd managed to not blow up, so
    perhaps he chanced into the win. RUS gained 2 from the retirements
    too, so perhaps could be considered lucky to get a podium. However,
    he did do better than a 7-times world champion in the same car, so
    at least a case could be made for his drive being worthy.

    But I'll sit on the fence - even the raciest who did some impressive
    overtakes also made some mistakes - noone was perfect.

    Phil
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 13 10:32:19 2022
    Agree. Most races someone stands out but no one catched my eye this time; odd considering the number of passes.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 13 18:16:56 2022
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
    Your pick for DotD?

    I can't say VER because I can't be sure the pitstops wouldn't have
    unwound in Ferrari's favour if they'd managed to not blow up, so
    perhaps he chanced into the win. RUS gained 2 from the retirements
    too, so perhaps could be considered lucky to get a podium. However,
    he did do better than a 7-times world champion in the same car, so
    at least a case could be made for his drive being worthy.

    But I'll sit on the fence - even the raciest who did some impressive overtakes also made some mistakes - noone was perfect.


    Yup, even those who worked really hard for their result did not make a
    great overall impression. For example Hamilton put in quite a decent performance but his pace was often well below that of GR.

    VER as winner gets it by default and he did outperform his teammate by
    quite a margin.

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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 13 14:31:13 2022
    On 6/13/2022 2:16 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
    Your pick for DotD?

    I can't say VER because I can't be sure the pitstops wouldn't have
    unwound in Ferrari's favour if they'd managed to not blow up, so
    perhaps he chanced into the win. RUS gained 2 from the retirements
    too, so perhaps could be considered lucky to get a podium. However,
    he did do better than a 7-times world champion in the same car, so
    at least a case could be made for his drive being worthy.

    But I'll sit on the fence - even the raciest who did some impressive
    overtakes also made some mistakes - noone was perfect.


    Yup, even those who worked really hard for their result did not make a
    great overall impression. For example Hamilton put in quite a decent performance but his pace was often well below that of GR.

    VER as winner gets it by default and he did outperform his teammate by
    quite a margin.


    Unless his penultimate pass was a 'gimme', he had excess performance in
    hand.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 13 13:01:39 2022
    On 2022-06-13 11:16, Bigbird wrote:
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
    Your pick for DotD?

    I can't say VER because I can't be sure the pitstops wouldn't have
    unwound in Ferrari's favour if they'd managed to not blow up, so
    perhaps he chanced into the win. RUS gained 2 from the retirements
    too, so perhaps could be considered lucky to get a podium. However,
    he did do better than a 7-times world champion in the same car, so
    at least a case could be made for his drive being worthy.

    But I'll sit on the fence - even the raciest who did some impressive
    overtakes also made some mistakes - noone was perfect.


    Yup, even those who worked really hard for their result did not make a
    great overall impression. For example Hamilton put in quite a decent performance but his pace was often well below that of GR.

    According to reports, Hamilton's Mercedes was running a very different
    spec than Russell's, so it's probably not fair to compare their pace.

    I read a report that Hamilton was lifting occasionally at the kinks in
    the main straight because he was concerned that he might lose control at 180mph.


    VER as winner gets it by default and he did outperform his teammate by
    quite a margin.

    Vettel's recovery to 6th was pretty impressive, but of course it is
    offset by the fact that he only needed to recover because he made a
    pretty big error.

    Outside of the default...

    ...perhaps Ricciardo?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jun 13 13:34:40 2022
    On 2022-06-13 07:39, Phil Carmody wrote:
    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
    Your pick for DotD?

    I can't say VER because I can't be sure the pitstops wouldn't have
    unwound in Ferrari's favour if they'd managed to not blow up, so
    perhaps he chanced into the win. RUS gained 2 from the retirements
    too, so perhaps could be considered lucky to get a podium. However,
    he did do better than a 7-times world champion in the same car, so
    at least a case could be made for his drive being worthy.

    It seems that the two Mercedes were not the "same car" on this
    particular weekend:

    <https://www.racefans.net/2022/06/11/hamiltons-recent-deficit-to-russell-is-due-to-set-up-experiments-says-wolff/>

    'Hamilton said yesterday rCLwe tried something experimental on my car and
    it didnrCOt feel that great to be honest.rCY'


    But I'll sit on the fence - even the raciest who did some impressive overtakes also made some mistakes - noone was perfect.

    Phil
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jun 14 09:46:17 2022
    On 14/06/2022 6:16 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
    Your pick for DotD?

    I can't say VER because I can't be sure the pitstops wouldn't have
    unwound in Ferrari's favour if they'd managed to not blow up, so
    perhaps he chanced into the win. RUS gained 2 from the retirements
    too, so perhaps could be considered lucky to get a podium. However,
    he did do better than a 7-times world champion in the same car, so
    at least a case could be made for his drive being worthy.

    But I'll sit on the fence - even the raciest who did some impressive
    overtakes also made some mistakes - noone was perfect.


    Yup, even those who worked really hard for their result did not make a
    great overall impression. For example Hamilton put in quite a decent performance but his pace was often well below that of GR.

    VER as winner gets it by default and he did outperform his teammate by
    quite a margin.


    PER had to cede, equally could not challenge, and there was no point in stressing or breaking anything.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jun 14 09:58:39 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 14/06/2022 6:16 am, Bigbird wrote:
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:
    Your pick for DotD?

    I can't say VER because I can't be sure the pitstops wouldn't have unwound in Ferrari's favour if they'd managed to not blow up, so
    perhaps he chanced into the win. RUS gained 2 from the retirements
    too, so perhaps could be considered lucky to get a podium.
    However, he did do better than a 7-times world champion in the
    same car, so at least a case could be made for his drive being
    worthy.

    But I'll sit on the fence - even the raciest who did some
    impressive overtakes also made some mistakes - noone was perfect.


    Yup, even those who worked really hard for their result did not
    make a great overall impression. For example Hamilton put in quite
    a decent performance but his pace was often well below that of GR.

    VER as winner gets it by default and he did outperform his teammate
    by quite a margin.


    PER had to cede, equally could not challenge, and there was no point
    in stressing or breaking anything.


    He had to cede because he did not have the pace.

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