• Last nail in the coffin ?

    From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon May 30 16:02:04 2022
    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it would be the
    last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram into F1 should this
    historic GP be omitted ?

    geoff
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon May 30 06:38:53 2022
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it would be the last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram into F1 should this
    historic GP be omitted ?

    geoff


    Spa would be a much greater loss IMO.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon May 30 21:41:12 2022
    On 30/05/2022 6:38 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it would be the
    last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram into F1 should this
    historic GP be omitted ?

    geoff


    Spa would be a much greater loss IMO.


    Certainly, especially as being one of the best tracks.

    They seem determined to turn everything into the motor-racing version of
    a gimmicky 'reality-series'.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon May 30 13:35:15 2022
    geoff wrote:

    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it would be
    the last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram into F1 should
    this historic GP be omitted ?


    Why do you think that?

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue May 31 09:26:29 2022
    On 31/05/2022 1:35 am, Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it would be
    the last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram into F1 should
    this historic GP be omitted ?


    Why do you think that?

    The historical context, the 'glamour',the unique setting, and the
    profound association with F1 in the mind of the public in general.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue May 31 11:41:09 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 31/05/2022 1:35 am, Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it would
    be the last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram into F1
    should this historic GP be omitted ?


    Why do you think that?

    The historical context, the 'glamour',the unique setting, and the
    profound association with F1 in the mind of the public in general.


    I think the greater perception is that it is a boring race that mainly
    exists for historical reasons but has little place in the modern F1
    calendar except for the glamour.

    I certainly don't see losing it as a problem for the sport or the fans.
    F1 can exist quite happily with a little less money on the table.

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  • From Phil Carmody@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue May 31 16:43:57 2022
    "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> writes:
    geoff wrote:
    On 31/05/2022 1:35 am, Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it would
    be the last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram into F1
    should this historic GP be omitted ?


    Why do you think that?

    The historical context, the 'glamour',the unique setting, and the
    profound association with F1 in the mind of the public in general.

    I think the greater perception is that it is a boring race that mainly
    exists for historical reasons but has little place in the modern F1
    calendar except for the glamour.

    What if, in the eyes of most of those providing the largest income
    into the sport, the race isn't perceived as "boring", that simply
    isn't a property being evaluated? When blingy rappers or actors and
    suchlike are being namedropped by the commentators, I get the feeling
    that for many people, it's really not so much about the racing at all.
    For most there, it's more important to be seen than to see any racing.

    I certainly don't see losing it as a problem for the sport or the fans.
    F1 can exist quite happily with a little less money on the table.

    As a fan of racing, I agree with you, although I did enjoy the quali
    and the first 30 laps of the race this year. I'm happy to accept I
    might be in bit of a minority.

    Phil
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue May 31 15:02:48 2022
    Phil Carmody wrote:

    "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> writes:
    geoff wrote:
    On 31/05/2022 1:35 am, Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    As frustratingly processional as it (usually) is, surely it
    would >> > > be the last nail in the coffin that Liberty could ram
    into F1 >> > > should this historic GP be omitted ?


    Why do you think that?

    The historical context, the 'glamour',the unique setting, and the
    profound association with F1 in the mind of the public in general.

    I think the greater perception is that it is a boring race that
    mainly exists for historical reasons but has little place in the
    modern F1 calendar except for the glamour.

    What if, in the eyes of most of those providing the largest income
    into the sport, the race isn't perceived as "boring", that simply
    isn't a property being evaluated? When blingy rappers or actors and
    suchlike are being namedropped by the commentators, I get the feeling
    that for many people, it's really not so much about the racing at all.
    For most there, it's more important to be seen than to see any racing.


    I am not sure that is a "what if" as much as a statement of fact. The
    race is of little importance to F1 in itself as a sporting event; a
    viewing spectacle. It has some monetary value and if the bean counters
    can sort it out fair enough but I don't think it adds value in a way
    that the sport will not do well enough without it. It's loss would not
    be the "nail in the coffin".

    If the net result is a bit less money in the circus F1 can survive
    that. Money has done more harm than good to the sport.

    I certainly don't see losing it as a problem for the sport or the
    fans. F1 can exist quite happily with a little less money on the
    table.

    As a fan of racing, I agree with you, although I did enjoy the quali
    and the first 30 laps of the race this year. I'm happy to accept I
    might be in bit of a minority.


    I used to really enjoy Monaco, less for the race as much as practice
    and qualifying. It was quite unique in that respect. I am not sure if
    the skills are less evident especially with a number of (oversized)
    cars being too unpredictable to be pushed to the limit but it doesn't
    do it for me in the same way any more.

    With the prospect of the racing improving over the next couple of years
    the Monaco procession can only look more out of place on the calendar.
    I can take it or leave it.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jun 1 09:46:53 2022
    On 1/06/2022 3:02 am, Bigbird wrote:


    With the prospect of the racing improving over the next couple of years
    the Monaco procession can only look more out of place on the calendar.
    I can take it or leave it.



    But Spa ?!!!

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue May 31 22:33:59 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 1/06/2022 3:02 am, Bigbird wrote:


    With the prospect of the racing improving over the next couple of
    years the Monaco procession can only look more out of place on the calendar. I can take it or leave it.



    But Spa ?!!!


    Different kettle of fish. If I get around to visiting another GP it
    would be Spa.
    There is a list of tracks that I view as the core of the sport (Monaco
    was among them in the past when it was about driver skill and
    attrition). There is room for other tracks to join them (I am not a
    snob) when they have proved they can regularly host an exciting race.

    Spa is high on the list.

    I think that if, as hoped, we get better racing on a variety of tracks
    there will be less reason to keep those tracks that only offer a
    procession.


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  • From Phil Carmody@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jun 7 16:39:57 2022
    "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> writes:
    Phil Carmody wrote:
    ...
    If the net result is a bit less money in the circus F1 can survive
    that. Money has done more harm than good to the sport.
    ...
    With the prospect of the racing improving over the next couple of years
    the Monaco procession can only look more out of place on the calendar.
    I can take it or leave it.

    Broad agreement there, yup.

    Phil
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