-a-a-a https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61300470
"Porsche is said by F1 insiders to be preparing an alliance with Red Bull.
Porsche would partner with the team's new engine division, which has
been set up to design and build the drinks brand's own power-unit for
the new engine regulations due in F1 in 2026, and the team would run as
Red Bull-Porsche.
Audi will come in as a team and has been linked with buying out an
existing entrant."
On 5/2/22 17:37, Brian Lawrence wrote:
-a-a-a-a https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61300470
"Porsche is said by F1 insiders to be preparing an alliance with Red
Bull.
Porsche would partner with the team's new engine division, which has
been set up to design and build the drinks brand's own power-unit for
the new engine regulations due in F1 in 2026, and the team would run
as Red Bull-Porsche.
Audi will come in as a team and has been linked with buying out an
existing entrant."
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all fossil fuels
and engines.
As we speak they taxed the Diesel to 2.2 Euro per liter and going.
The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it daily
about 20 times and now most people just believe it is true.
Pretty amazing.
"Made up something"?
Seriously?
On 2022-05-02 9:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all
fossil fuels and engines. As we speak they taxed the Diesel to
2.2 Euro per liter and going.
The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it
daily about 20 times and now most people just believe it is
true. Pretty amazing.
"Made up something"?
Seriously?
Key facts........................
=========
Science corrupted to support political ideology again.
The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
Bob.
Key fact:
In article <t4p19e$cmr$1@dont-email.me>,
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-05-02 9:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all
fossil fuels and engines. As we speak they taxed the Diesel to
2.2 Euro per liter and going.
The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it
daily about 20 times and now most people just believe it is
true. Pretty amazing.
"Made up something"?
Seriously?
Oh yes. the biggest load of propaganda in history.
The slight warming has happened before and will happen again with or
without man.
Governments do not care about the poverty and death their policies
will bring, they only care about their naive religion.
Key facts
=========
70% of solar energy (not reflected by particles) gets to the
atmosphere and the
Earth's surface. The atmosphere radiates back to space 58% of
incoming solar
energy:-
23% absorbed by atmosphere
25% evaporation
5% convection
5% of radiation from the surface is absorbed by green house gases.
12% balance is radiated directly from surface to space.
Of the 5% absorbed by green house gases, 95% are absorbed by water
vapour and
3.97% by CO2.
Thus 0.1985% of solar radiation is absorbed by CO2, if not already
saturated.
CO2 forms 0.0412% of atmosphere.
56% comes from the oceans
38% from breath exhalations.
6% from fossil fuels.
CO2 is released by the oceans following a rise in temperature.
CO2 from human combustion creates 0.00244% of the atmosphere.
For the last 5 million years, CO2 has been lower than the previous
550M years, except possibly for a trough in the permian epoch 250M
years ago.
CO2 did not cause the Holocene optimum, Minoan warming, Roman
warming, Medieval warming or Modern warming.
CERES satellite data shows outgoing longwave radiation from the earth
has *increased* (not been trapped by a mythical man-blanket) and
outgoing solar shortwave radiation (reflected off cloud tops) has
reduced. More sun past less cloud = global warming.
CO2 is a trace gas essential to life and is nearly the lowest it has
ever been. It is definitely not pollution. We had an ice age with 10
times the CO2 we have now.
No amount of making people live impoverished lives in cold homes only
to die of poverty will make any difference to the weather or the
climate. The Gods will not accept the sacrifice and save us. What
we're doing is madness close to witch burning naivety and stupidity.
Science corrupted to support political ideology again.
The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
Bob.
Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.
Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.
In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who
apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.
It looks like you've not actually seen the breakdown of what
scientists actually thought when asked specific questions. The
problem is the lying media as usual.
The media don't tell you facts anymore, they tell you what you should believe.
Look further and you'll find thousands of scientists that disagree
with this 50 year old narrative. "The end is nigh" proclaimed by
loons for 50 years and all predictions ALWAYS come to nothing. Even
prince Charles - his prediction came and went just like all the
others. In the 70s we were told daily how we were heading for another
ice age as temperatures had fallen since 1940. 30 years of cooling
whilst CO2 was shooting up in a post war world.
I quote David Bellamy:
"Global warming is part of natural cycle and there's nothing we can
do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast
amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist."
And Richard Feynman.
"I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that
can't be questioned."
Science works by debate if you shut down one side of the debate with statements like " The science is settled" or "the majority of
scientists agree" etc. you are being anti science and proving this is
a politics and religion and nothing to do with fact.
All of this come from watermelons, people who are green on the
outside and red on the inside, they see it as a way to destroy
capitalism and they're being very successful. The gullible masses are
buying it. But when we have world communist government and the
weather is still the same, don't say I didn't tell you.
On 3/05/2022 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Look further and you'll find thousands of scientists that
disagree with this 50 year old narrative. "The end is nigh"
proclaimed by loons for 50 years and all predictions ALWAYS come
to nothing. Even prince Charles - his prediction came and went
just like all the others. In the 70s we were told daily how we
were heading for another ice age as temperatures had fallen since
1940. 30 years of cooling whilst CO2 was shooting up in a post
war world.
And what has happened since then - the 'natural' factors have
suddenly changed ?
Il 02/05/2022 20:19, Bob Latham ha scritto:
........................
Key facts
=========
Science corrupted to support political ideology again.Key fact:
The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
Bob.
glaciers are at an all-time low.
Analysis of the ice columns obtained from the glacier perforations allow
to derive the quantity of CO2 present in the various geological eras.
And data are rather troubling.
Humanity, due to the way it is organized and how it is located on earth,
is unable to face the variations linked to climate change without catastrophic consequences.
S
CO2 is a distraction.
Read the 1972 MIT paper "Limits to Growth" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth#:~:text=The%20Limits%20to%20Growth%20(LTG,the%20earth%20and%20human%20systems.
In 2020, an analysis by Gaya Herrington (Sustainability and Dynamic System Analysis Lead at KPMG in the United States but in a personal capacity) was published in Yale's Journal of Industrial Ecology.The study assessed whether, given key data known in 2020 about factors important for the "Limits to Growth" report, the original report's conclusions are supported.
The study found that current empirical data is broadly consistent with the 1972 projections, and that if major changes to the consumption of resources are not undertaken, economic growth will peak and then rapidly decline by around 2040.
Luckily I'll be pushing up daisies!!
Jeeze - you make Ayn Rand sound like some sort of trendy lefty !
Luckily I'll be pushing up daisies!!
In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
Oh yeah, and the overwhelming majority of relevant scientists, who
apparently know less than you, are sucked in by it.
Be open minded, give this video a chance see what you think. It is a
few years old now but that doesn't matter as you'll see...
https://youtu.be/xSgCsb34Bfs
It's just bad science.
In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
It's just bad science.
Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
science it's propaganda.
And Richard Feynman.
"I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that
can't be questioned."
On 5/3/2022 11:17 AM, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
-a-a-a Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
It's just bad science.
Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
science it's propaganda.
Phil watched your oh-so-convincing video, and debunked it.-a Perhaps you should begin questioning your own propaganda.
Earlier, Bob Latham wrote:
And Richard Feynman.
"I'd rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that
can't be questioned."
Feynman knew when questioning the answer turns delusional.-a You could
learn from him.
In article <t4p19e$cmr$1@dont-email.me>,
Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-05-02 9:12 a.m., Edmund wrote:
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all
fossil fuels and engines. As we speak they taxed the Diesel to
2.2 Euro per liter and going.
The spin doctors made up something about CO2 and they repeat it
daily about 20 times and now most people just believe it is
true. Pretty amazing.
"Made up something"?
Seriously?
Oh yes. the biggest load of propaganda in history.
The slight warming has happened before and will happen again with or
without man.
Governments do not care about the poverty and death their policies
will bring, they only care about their naive religion.
Key facts
=========
70% of solar energy (not reflected by particles) gets to the
atmosphere and the
Earth's surface. The atmosphere radiates back to space 58% of
incoming solar
energy:-
23% absorbed by atmosphere
25% evaporation
5% convection
5% of radiation from the surface is absorbed by green house gases.
12% balance is radiated directly from surface to space.
Of the 5% absorbed by green house gases, 95% are absorbed by water
vapour and
3.97% by CO2.
Thus 0.1985% of solar radiation is absorbed by CO2, if not already
saturated.
CO2 forms 0.0412% of atmosphere.
56% comes from the oceans
38% from breath exhalations.
6% from fossil fuels.
CO2 is released by the oceans following a rise in temperature.
CO2 from human combustion creates 0.00244% of the atmosphere.
For the last 5 million years, CO2 has been lower than the previous
550M years, except possibly for a trough in the permian epoch 250M
years ago.
CO2 did not cause the Holocene optimum, Minoan warming, Roman
warming, Medieval warming or Modern warming.
CERES satellite data shows outgoing longwave radiation from the earth
has *increased* (not been trapped by a mythical man-blanket) and
outgoing solar shortwave radiation (reflected off cloud tops) has
reduced. More sun past less cloud = global warming.
CO2 is a trace gas essential to life and is nearly the lowest it has
ever been. It is definitely not pollution. We had an ice age with 10
times the CO2 we have now.
No amount of making people live impoverished lives in cold homes only
to die of poverty will make any difference to the weather or the
climate. The Gods will not accept the sacrifice and save us. What
we're doing is madness close to witch burning naivety and stupidity.
Science corrupted to support political ideology again.
The next thing is we'll be expected to believe that a person with a
penis can be pregnant. Oh wait...
Bob.
Your source for all of that please?
Humanity, due to the way it is organized and how it is located on
earth, is unable to face the variations linked to climate change
without catastrophic consequences.
Amazing, our ancestors walked around 6 million years ago and the
obviously coped very well with every change in the weather but now we
can't?
Or are you try to tell us the climate was exactly the same the last 6 million years
S
Edmund
Do you really want to live like our ancestors? I'd like to see you kill animals with your club for food.
But, before reaching this situation, millions of migrants from submerged
or no longer habitable lands could represent a big problem.
Think if someone came in front of our houses and camped there.
And most likely they wouldn't have money, jobs and food ... hummmm, big problems on the horizon.
And we are not talking about a few hundred thousand people, who are
already creating considerable problems in this way.
We are talking about tens of millions.
And in any case it would be a tremendous shock to the economy: we will
smile as we remember past crises.
But maybe a higher wall could be enough, right?
S.
Il 03/05/2022 12:53, Edmund ha scritto:
Do you really want to live like our ancestors?Humanity, due to the way it is organized and how it is located on earth, is unable to face the variations linked to climate change without catastrophic consequences.
Amazing, our ancestors walked around 6 million years ago and the obviously coped very well with every change in the weather but now we can't?
Or are you try to tell us the climate was exactly the same the last 6 million years
S
Edmund
I'd like to see you kill animals with your club for food.
But, before reaching this situation, millions of migrants from submerged or no longer habitable lands could represent a big problem.
Think if someone came in front of our houses and camped there.
And most likely they wouldn't have money, jobs and food ... hummmm, big problems on the horizon.
And we are not talking about a few hundred thousand people, who are already creating considerable problems in this way.
We are talking about tens of millions.
And in any case it would be a tremendous shock to the economy: we will smile as we remember past crises.
But maybe a higher wall could be enough, right?
S.
Got anything on Porsche F1?
Yeah sure, In reality millions of those self proclaimed refugies from
higher grounds demand free housing free money and free everything in a country that is
already a few meters below see level.
But don't get confused by facts.
Sure sure wasting trillions in reducing the building blocks of life (
CO2 ) is a great idea and will suit the economy well.
what is your take on the other things I said, like the trees found in
melted glaciers?
Imagine
seems to me
Maybe
could be
In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
It's just bad science.
Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
science it's propaganda.
Il 03/05/2022 20:29, Edmund ha scritto:
Yeah sure, In reality millions of those self proclaimed refugies from higher grounds demand free housing free money and free everything in a country that is
already a few meters below see level.
But don't get confused by facts.
Imagine that them could become 10-100 times more.
All lying about their hard life, of course.
Sure sure wasting trillions in reducing the building blocks of life ( CO2 ) is a great idea and will suit the economy well.
Economy is already at stake, this economic system is at stake.
Could green economy represent a new source of work?
what is your take on the other things I said, like the trees found in melted glaciers?
Glaciers are living organisms: they have always incorporated and returned foreign bodies.
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all fossil fuels
and engines.
In article <t4ovtu$1v9$1@dont-email.me>, nomail@hotmail.com says...
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all fossil fuels
and engines.
Part of the 'deal' used to lure them in is that fully renewable fuels
will be used from 2026 on. E100 effectively.
In article <SImdnXkoatQXYu3_nZ2dnUU7-VHNnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
On 3/05/2022 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <SOadnbbsOu_QQO3_nZ2dnUU7-I2dnZ2d@giganews.com>,
Look further and you'll find thousands of scientists that
disagree with this 50 year old narrative. "The end is nigh"
proclaimed by loons for 50 years and all predictions ALWAYS come
to nothing. Even prince Charles - his prediction came and went
just like all the others. In the 70s we were told daily how we
were heading for another ice age as temperatures had fallen since
1940. 30 years of cooling whilst CO2 was shooting up in a post
war world.
And what has happened since then - the 'natural' factors have
suddenly changed ?
Watch the video and it will show you !
Bob.
In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
It's just bad science.
Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
science it's propaganda.
Bob.
I quote David Bellamy:
"Global warming is part of natural cycle and there's nothing we can
do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast
amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist."
I know
David Bellamy, who became the well-known crank.
And David Attenborough will say that humans are contributing to the
current unprecedented temperature rise. So what.
I know whose opinions I would put greater faith in.
Must be getting senile
On 4/05/2022 3:17 am, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <87v8umis4l.fsf@zotaspaz.fatphil.org>,
-a-a-a Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
It's just bad science.
Yes you got that right. Science that can't be questioned isn't
science it's propaganda.
Bob.
Science says humans breath oxygen. Somebody questioning that is somehow somehow not a fuckwit ?!!!
geoff
In article <t4ovtu$1v9$1@dont-email.me>, nomail@hotmail.com says...
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all fossil fuels
and engines.
Part of the 'deal' used to lure them in is that fully renewable fuels
will be used from 2026 on. E100 effectively.
Only thing that shows is how one can find a crank scientist to
'prove' practically anything you want.
The assertions are so flawed that a school-kid should be able to
reason what is wrong.
In article <RbKdnWQ3S_iDA-z_nZ2dnUU7-b3NnZ2d@giganews.com>,
geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
Only thing that shows is how one can find a crank scientist to
'prove' practically anything you want.
The assertions are so flawed that a school-kid should be able to
reason what is wrong.
I'm sorry to tell you Geoff but you're the victim of religious indoctrination. I'm telling religious zealots that there is no God
and getting backlash. Not surprising I suppose.
Out of interest. If CO2 is the great temperature control why we had
the little ice age 300 years + ago and what caused all the previous
warm periods at predictable intervals. All those 4x4 Chelsea taxis in medieval and Roman times no doubt.
I find this a bit strange since in Europe they will ban all fossil fuels >> and engines.
Part of the 'deal' used to lure them in is that fully renewable fuels
will be used from 2026 on. E100 effectively.
Sure. Turn over those fields for dirty ethanol production.
On 3/05/2022 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
.
I quote David Bellamy:
"Global warming is part of natural cycle and there's nothing we can
do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast
amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist."
David Bellamy, who became the well-known crank.
clickety-click<"""
clickety-click<"""
And David Attenborough will say that humans are contributing to the
current unprecedented temperature rise. So what.
I know whose opinions I would put greater faith in.
On 3/05/2022 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
.
I quote David Bellamy:
"Global warming is part of natural cycle and there's nothing we can
do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a vast
amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that doesn't exist."
David Bellamy, who became the well-known crank.
And David Attenborough will say that humans are contributing to the current unprecedented temperature rise. So what.
I know whose opinions I would put greater faith in.
geoff
On 5/4/22 06:16, geoff wrote:
On 3/05/2022 8:55 pm, Bob Latham wrote:
.
I quote David Bellamy:
"Global warming is part of natural cycle and there's nothing we
can do to stop these cycles. The world is now facing spending a
vast amount of money in tax to try to solve a problem that
doesn't exist."
David Bellamy, who became the well-known crank.
And David Attenborough will say that humans are contributing to
the current unprecedented temperature rise. So what.
I know whose opinions I would put greater faith in.
geoff
Well that is a dead giveaway about your way of (NOT) thinking. FYI,
science is not about believing, or who you should trust, science is
about data - the not altered data that is - and facts. That you
willingly ( admit) that you put your blind trust in a crook as
David Attenborough, says it all. Me too saw the tear drawing fake
documentary from Attenborough in which an old sick and dying polar
bear starred and which he made it look like it was due to climate
change.
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