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  • So I'm guess that Russell is the 2GOAT...

    From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 10:54:09 2022
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 09:14:01 2022
    On 12/04/2022 5:54 am, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Apr 11 18:41:29 2022
    On 2022-04-11 2:14 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 5:54 am, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    Really?

    Why?

    Because I knew what none of the fanbois knew; that HamiltonrCowhile
    clearly one of the best of the current driversrCohas come nowhere NEAR
    showing he's the GOAT?

    Face it:

    If Hamilton is the "greatest of all time"...

    ...how is it that Russell is instantly as fast as he is in the same
    machinery?
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 22:30:39 2022
    On 12/04/2022 1:41 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 2:14 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 5:54 am, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    Really?

    Why?

    Because I knew what none of the fanbois knew; that HamiltonrCowhile
    clearly one of the best of the current driversrCohas come nowhere NEAR showing he's the GOAT?

    Face it:

    If Hamilton is the "greatest of all time"...

    ...how is it that Russell is instantly as fast as he is in the same machinery?

    So HAM would have to beat this team-mate every time to qualify ?

    And in this instance despite being told not to overtake ? And despite unluckily missing out on the safety-car early pit-stop ?

    I'm not suggesting HAM is the GOAT, but I do take exception to your fuckwit-glee over every small setback he may have.

    geoff
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 11:35:15 2022
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 1:41 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 2:14 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 5:54 am, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    Really?

    Why?

    Because I knew what none of the fanbois knew; that HamiltonrCowhile
    clearly one of the best of the current driversrCohas come nowhere NEAR
    showing he's the GOAT?

    Face it:

    If Hamilton is the "greatest of all time"...

    ...how is it that Russell is instantly as fast as he is in the same
    machinery?

    So HAM would have to beat this team-mate every time to qualify ?

    And in this instance despite being told not to overtake ? And despite unluckily missing out on the safety-car early pit-stop ?

    I'm not suggesting HAM is the GOAT, but I do take exception to your fuckwit-glee over every small setback he may have.

    +1

    (Schumacher seldom had a really competitive teammate; Hamilton has, several times).

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    Sir Tim
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 12:26:43 2022
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 2:14 p.m., geoff wrote:

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    Really?

    Why?

    Because I knew what none of the fanbois knew; that Hamilton?while
    clearly one of the best of the current drivers?has come nowhere NEAR
    showing he's the GOAT?

    Face it:

    If Hamilton is the "greatest of all time"...

    ...how is it that Russell is instantly as fast as he is in the same machinery?

    Okay, some comments from a non-fanboi...

    ...and I don't believe he's GOAT (I think the term is meaningless)...

    Russell and Hamilton are to an extent levelled up (as are all teams) by
    the very significant changes to the formula. It will take time to know
    how much this suits one driver in a team compared to another, so it's
    not worth speculating.

    Three races is not sufficient to know (for sure) their relative speeds, particularly given the porpoising challenges that seem particularly
    difficult for Mercedes right now.

    Frankly, even compared to some of your shit-stirring this is a pointless attempt to drum up controversy where none exists.

    So...you can explain why you can use wording that suggests that the
    opinions you are present are actual settled facts. They aren't.

    Let's see how the season unfolds before we declare on all of the
    drivers, not just Hamilton.

    Or is it just that you prefer trolling? If so, let me rate this: 0/10
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  • From Dan the Man@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 06:07:51 2022
    On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:54:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)
    I don't think it's possible to know who the GOAT really is. We can only really judge drivers on how they do in their own age; would HAM be able to out-race old-tyme greats like Moss, Fangio, Hill, et al? How about drivers of more recent vintage like Piquet, Lauda, Senna, Prost? They drove different cars on different circuits, so it's only speculation in the end.
    Dan
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 07:00:16 2022
    On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:54:12 AM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    So I'm guess that Russell is the 2GOAT

    you sound drunk or stupid
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  • From Slang@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 16:13:55 2022
    Il 12/04/2022 13:35, Sir Tim ha scritto:

    (Schumacher seldom had a really competitive teammate; Hamilton has, several times).

    And several times was beaten.
    S
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 09:29:43 2022
    On 2022-04-12 6:07 a.m., Dan the Man wrote:
    On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:54:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All Time!",
    please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)
    I don't think it's possible to know who the GOAT really is. We can only really judge drivers on how they do in their own age; would HAM be able to out-race old-tyme greats like Moss, Fangio, Hill, et al? How about drivers of more recent vintage like Piquet, Lauda, Senna, Prost? They drove different cars on different circuits, so it's only speculation in the end.


    Of course there's speculation.

    But there is a faction here (and elsewhere) that holds that Hamilton's
    success with Mercedes (and McLaren before them) means he must be the
    greatest.

    I'm just pointing out a flaw in their logic.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 09:31:31 2022
    On 2022-04-12 3:30 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 1:41 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 2:14 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 5:54 am, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    Really?

    Why?

    Because I knew what none of the fanbois knew; that HamiltonrCowhile
    clearly one of the best of the current driversrCohas come nowhere NEAR
    showing he's the GOAT?

    Face it:

    If Hamilton is the "greatest of all time"...

    ...how is it that Russell is instantly as fast as he is in the same
    machinery?

    So HAM would have to beat this team-mate every time to qualify ?

    He'd certainly need to be regularly a good bit faster than the teammates
    he's had...

    ...which he hasn't been.


    And in this instance despite being told not to overtake ? And despite unluckily missing out on the safety-car early pit-stop ?

    Way to miss the poing!


    I'm not suggesting HAM is the GOAT, but I do take exception to your fuckwit-glee over every small setback he may have.

    I'm taking no glee at all in Hamilton's result.

    You may be yet another person who doesn't get it, but I have nothing
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 09:32:53 2022
    On 2022-04-12 4:35 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 1:41 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 2:14 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 5:54 am, Alan wrote:
    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    Really?

    Why?

    Because I knew what none of the fanbois knew; that HamiltonrCowhile
    clearly one of the best of the current driversrCohas come nowhere NEAR
    showing he's the GOAT?

    Face it:

    If Hamilton is the "greatest of all time"...

    ...how is it that Russell is instantly as fast as he is in the same
    machinery?

    So HAM would have to beat this team-mate every time to qualify ?

    And in this instance despite being told not to overtake ? And despite
    unluckily missing out on the safety-car early pit-stop ?

    I'm not suggesting HAM is the GOAT, but I do take exception to your
    fuckwit-glee over every small setback he may have.

    +1

    (Schumacher seldom had a really competitive teammate; Hamilton has, several times).


    And when he has had those teammates, they WERE competitive, right?

    So if Hamilton is purported to be the GOAT isn't it an amazing
    coincidence that pretty much all of his teammates have been very nearly
    as good?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 09:35:58 2022
    On 2022-04-12 5:26 a.m., Mark wrote:
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-04-11 2:14 p.m., geoff wrote:

    Yes. You are a fuckwit.

    Really?

    Why?

    Because I knew what none of the fanbois knew; that Hamilton?while
    clearly one of the best of the current drivers?has come nowhere NEAR
    showing he's the GOAT?

    Face it:

    If Hamilton is the "greatest of all time"...

    ...how is it that Russell is instantly as fast as he is in the same
    machinery?

    Okay, some comments from a non-fanboi...

    ...and I don't believe he's GOAT (I think the term is meaningless)...

    Russell and Hamilton are to an extent levelled up (as are all teams) by
    the very significant changes to the formula. It will take time to know
    how much this suits one driver in a team compared to another, so it's
    not worth speculating.

    But the very fact that you acknowledge that cars can suit particular
    driver's also acknowledges that for years the car could have been
    designed and developed to suit Hamilton.


    Three races is not sufficient to know (for sure) their relative speeds, particularly given the porpoising challenges that seem particularly
    difficult for Mercedes right now.

    Frankly, even compared to some of your shit-stirring this is a pointless attempt to drum up controversy where none exists.

    So...you can explain why you can use wording that suggests that the
    opinions you are present are actual settled facts. They aren't.

    With a whole bunch of folks here, it is apparently cast into the stone
    that must be in their heads that all of Hamilton's championships must
    mean he is the "greatest of all time!!!!!!"

    Sorry, but that is what has been presented here on NUMEROUS occasions.


    Let's see how the season unfolds before we declare on all of the
    drivers, not just Hamilton.

    I always enjoy how the season unfolds.

    I also enjoy pointing out the logical inconsistencies in a line of what
    can loosely be called "thought".

    :-)


    Or is it just that you prefer trolling? If so, let me rate this: 0/10
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 16:46:02 2022
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 10:00:37 2022
    On 2022-04-12 9:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s

    I am unbiased.

    I realize you can't understand that, but this has never been about me disliking Hamilton.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 19:15:50 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 9:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s

    I am unbiased.

    I realize you can't understand that, but this has never been about me disliking Hamilton.

    Your continual unprovoked "unbiased" anti-Hamilton posts are just an accident...

    Riiiiiiight!

    :-)
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 12:21:45 2022
    On 2022-04-12 12:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 9:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of All
    Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s

    I am unbiased.

    I realize you can't understand that, but this has never been about me
    disliking Hamilton.

    Your continual unprovoked "unbiased" anti-Hamilton posts are just an accident...

    Riiiiiiight!

    Quote any text I have ever written...

    ANYTHING AT ALL

    ...that is "anti-Hamilton".
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 19:31:51 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 12:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 9:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of
    All Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s

    I am unbiased.

    I realize you can't understand that, but this has never been
    about me disliking Hamilton.

    Your continual unprovoked "unbiased" anti-Hamilton posts are just an accident...

    Riiiiiiight!

    Quote any text I have ever written...

    ANYTHING AT ALL

    ...that is "anti-Hamilton".

    Your OP and just about any controversial decision involving Hamilton...
    and quite a few that weren't except in your tiny mind.

    Don't pretend to be half as intelligent as a plank... you are almost
    twice as intelligent as that.

    Now take the hint everybody is trying to give you and STFU.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 12:33:23 2022
    On 2022-04-12 12:31 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 12:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 9:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of
    All Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s

    I am unbiased.

    I realize you can't understand that, but this has never been
    about me disliking Hamilton.

    Your continual unprovoked "unbiased" anti-Hamilton posts are just an
    accident...

    Riiiiiiight!

    Quote any text I have ever written...

    ANYTHING AT ALL

    ...that is "anti-Hamilton".

    Your OP and just about any controversial decision involving Hamilton...
    and quite a few that weren't except in your tiny mind.

    How is pointing out that Russell is clearly as fast as Hamilton in any
    way "anti-Hamilton"?


    Don't pretend to be half as intelligent as a plank... you are almost
    twice as intelligent as that.

    Now take the hint everybody is trying to give you and STFU.

    Make me.

    You can't quote a single thing I've ever said that is "anti-Hamilton"...

    ...because I think Hamilton is a great F1 driver.

    Period. Full stop.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 12:53:26 2022
    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 1:33:25 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    Period. Full stop.

    almost precisely or completely precisely?
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Apr 13 09:26:54 2022
    On 13/04/2022 4:31 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-12 3:30 a.m., geoff wrote:
    !


    I'm not suggesting HAM is the GOAT, but I do take exception to your
    fuckwit-glee over every small setback he may have.

    I'm taking no glee at all in Hamilton's result.

    I'm sure everybody else here would be surprised to read that. Not to
    mention be sceptical.

    Your envy/jealousy/whatever-it-is shines through.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Apr 13 09:30:09 2022
    On 13/04/2022 7:33 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-12 12:31 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 12:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 9:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of
    All Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s

    I am unbiased.

    I realize you can't understand that, but this has never been
    about me disliking Hamilton.

    Your continual unprovoked "unbiased" anti-Hamilton posts are just an
    accident...

    Riiiiiiight!

    Quote any text I have ever written...

    ANYTHING AT ALL

    ...that is "anti-Hamilton".

    Your OP and just about any controversial decision involving Hamilton...
    and quite a few that weren't except in your tiny mind.

    How is pointing out that Russell is clearly as fast as Hamilton in any
    way "anti-Hamilton"?


    So why did they need to tell HAM not to pass RUS ? To save the hot car
    bits, yeah right ....

    geoff

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 14:52:36 2022
    On 2022-04-12 2:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 13/04/2022 4:31 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-12 3:30 a.m., geoff wrote:
    !


    I'm not suggesting HAM is the GOAT, but I do take exception to your
    fuckwit-glee over every small setback he may have.

    I'm taking no glee at all in Hamilton's result.

    I'm sure everybody else here would be surprised to read that. Not to
    mention be sceptical.

    Your envy/jealousy/whatever-it-is shines through.

    In what actual words?

    Be specific, Geoff.

    I have said that Hamilton is clearly one of the very best of the current
    crop of drivers.

    So put up or shut up.

    :-)
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 14:53:08 2022
    On 2022-04-12 2:30 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 13/04/2022 7:33 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-12 12:31 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 12:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-04-12 9:46 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    ...right?

    Can all of you who have proclaimed Hamilton the "Greatest of
    All Time!", please explain this to me?

    Thanks in advance.

    :-)

    So another yet example of how unbiased you are. /s

    I am unbiased.

    I realize you can't understand that, but this has never been
    about me disliking Hamilton.

    Your continual unprovoked "unbiased" anti-Hamilton posts are just an >>>>> accident...

    Riiiiiiight!

    Quote any text I have ever written...

    ANYTHING AT ALL

    ...that is "anti-Hamilton".

    Your OP and just about any controversial decision involving Hamilton...
    and quite a few that weren't except in your tiny mind.

    How is pointing out that Russell is clearly as fast as Hamilton in any
    way "anti-Hamilton"?


    So why did they need to tell HAM not to pass RUS ? To save the hot car
    bits, yeah right ....

    Hamilton is the team number one.

    If they were telling him not to push, there was a reason.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Apr 12 17:20:14 2022
    On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 3:52:38 PM UTC-6, Alan wrote:

    So put up or shut up.

    this from a trolling, loser,
    cocking sucking, mouthpiece,
    piece of shit
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