FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-made-human-error/
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCOmade-human-error/
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is Alan,
who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-made-human-error/
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCOmade-human-error/
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'It also does not feature any comment or explanation from Masi regarding
the decisions made in Abu Dhabi.'
Odd, don't you think?
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCOmade-human-error/
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is Alan,
who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCOmade-human-error/
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO
preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ahuman errorA
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-made-human-error/
So, it looks like Horner won the WDC for Max.
oHuman erroro seems a reasonable finding in the circumstances but it in no >way absolves Masi from blame, especially when taking account of various
other questionable decisions during the season, and he has rightly lost his >job. I canAt help wondering whether Charlie Whiting would have allowed the >same situation to develop.
The irony is that had the race been red flagged, thus negating HamiltonAs >advantage, and been restarted and had Verstappen gone on to win everybody >would have said that it was tough on Lewis but othatAs motor racing!o. As--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
it is MaxAs first championship will forever be devalued in the eyes of many >fans.
Having said all that it is clearly time to move on. Max is the champion >whether we like it or not, as Toto and Lewis have long since accepted.
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCOmade-human-error/
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races
under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
"Previous discussions"
"Preference"
nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
you have repeatedly claimed.
Yes Masi was trying to achieve what everyone wanted - never under dispute. the thing was simply that he was over-eager to do this & violated the
rules in his attempt to do so.
this is now ancient history & a dead horse so please FUCK OFF & stop
trying to flog it.
alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>> made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and >>> F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races >>> under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
"Previous discussions"
"Preference"
nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
you have repeatedly claimed.
I think that the report makes it clear that the only person Masi received direct instruction from was Christian Horner
Yes Masi was trying to achieve what everyone wanted - never under dispute. >> the thing was simply that he was over-eager to do this & violated the
rules in his attempt to do so.
this is now ancient history & a dead horse so please FUCK OFF & stop
trying to flog it.
+1
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO
preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
not apply the regulations?
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
only you claim exists.
On 21/03/2022 1:14 am, Bigbird wrote:
It was Q.
But no point in trying to end this, as A will always insist on having
the last word, ad infinitum.
Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking;
lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:
Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking;
lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.
The ukraine mess would not have
happened with trump in power.
You useless british twat.
Il 21/03/2022 22:26, texas gate ha scritto:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:Wow, a fan of the III WW.
Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking;
lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.
The ukraine mess would not have
happened with trump in power.
You useless british twat.
And you are a Marine, right?
S
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 23:52:18 +0100, Slang <cippalippa@cippalippa.com>
wrote:
Il 21/03/2022 22:26, texas gate ha scritto:
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 3:55:14 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:Wow, a fan of the III WW.
Perhaps he has been conditioned by Trumpers into their way of thinking; >>>> lie down with Trumpers wake up seeing conspiracies.
The ukraine mess would not have
happened with trump in power.
You useless british twat.
And you are a Marine, right?
S
He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
take over whatever he wanted.
He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there, Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
take over whatever he wanted.
And presumably was grateful
for his buddy holding off until he was no longer in the hot seat.
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:
He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no
sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
take over whatever he wanted.
Trump got rid isis.
On Monday, March 21, 2022 at 5:08:33 PM UTC-6, martin...@gmail.com wrote:
He's right for once, there wouldn't be the current war - American arms
and sanctions are playing a vital role and if Trump were still there,
Ukraine wouldn't be getting those arms and there would have been no
sanctions, Trump would have just told his hero Putin to go ahead and
take over whatever he wanted.
lol. Like when putin took crimea with
obama as US president.
You are out to lunch.
Trump got rid isis.
You are welcome.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCOmade-human-error/
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races
under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
"Previous discussions"
"Preference"
nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
you have repeatedly claimed.
Yes Masi was trying to achieve what everyone wanted - never under dispute. the thing was simply that he was over-eager to do this & violated the
rules in his attempt to do so.
alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 17:41:43 -0700, Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>> made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and >>> F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races >>> under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
"Previous discussions"
"Preference"
nowhere does this indicate that Masi as receiving direct instructions as
you have repeatedly claimed.
I think that the report makes it clear that the only person Masi received direct instruction from was Christian Horner
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that is
Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & still claim
Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO
preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
not apply the regulations?
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
only you claim exists.
special information
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
the start of the race.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Any other inference is a fabrication.
You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
want to do that?
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond;
who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
something.
What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?
Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
We know Masi changed his mind.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ahuman errorA
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Any other inference is a fabrication.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
Sorry, but same question.
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman
errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with
that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover
up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from
above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that
made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green
flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
Nope. What you just said is a lie.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
race.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Any other inference is a fabrication.
You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars
and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of
the race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special information to
the teams prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
information to the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race
briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
used.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman
errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with
that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover
up & still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from
above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that
made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green
flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
Nope. What you just said is a lie.
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would they
want to do that?"
The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
race.
So no cite, just deflection.
What special instructions?
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Any other inference is a fabrication.
You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
Why did you duck responding to this.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars
and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of
the race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special information to
the teams prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
information to the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race
briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
Because I didn't feel like it, Liar.
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed
with that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is
a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct
instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding
the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely
took into account previous discussions (including at
meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team
Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end
races under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times
and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed...
only not applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed
to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
Nope. What you just said is a lie.
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."
Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?"
Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.
The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover
up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the
outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
race.
So no cite, just deflection.
What special instructions?
Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Any other inference is a fabrication.
You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
Why did you duck responding to this.
Because I didn't feel like it,
Liar.
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed
to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
the teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended
as quickly as possible.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed
to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of
cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome
of the race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
information to the teams before every race. It's called a
pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 2:56 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman
errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed
with that is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is
a cover up & still claim Masi acting under direct
instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding
the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely
took into account previous discussions (including at
meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team
Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end
races under green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times
and the facts remain... the regulations were not changed...
only not applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to
Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed
to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
Nope. What you just said is a lie.
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."
Which has nothing to do with time, Liar.
Stupid lie.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?"
Which has even less to do with the issue of WHEN, Liar.
Another stupid lie.
The threads they are taken from expose you dishonesty.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover
up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the
outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The fact that he gave special instructions to the teams before the
race.
So no cite, just deflection.
What special instructions?
Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams special
instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
"there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Any other inference is a fabrication.
You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
Why did you duck responding to this.
Because I didn't feel like it,
Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.
Liar.
Yet you just admitted it was the truth.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed
to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote implies
as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
the teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended
as quickly as possible.
Any such instructions would be moot unless they included instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.
You know they didn't.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his superiors
and who specifically are "those superiors"?
I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
teams.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed
to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi,
during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of
cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up
but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome
of the race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
information to the teams before every race. It's called a
pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be
used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique pre-race
instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
Take a stand, you pussy.
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping
of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six
could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to the teams before every race. It's called a
pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.
Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
context.
Liar.
Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why
would they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from
his superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
to the teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
ended as quickly as possible.
Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
and F1 Team Managers)'
You know they didn't.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?
I don't know.
Now answer my question:
Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would
be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that
event?
Yes or no.
I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
teams.
It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took
no issue with its existence then.
What special instructions?
Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
"there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
Straight from the report, Liar.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
and F1 Team Managers)'
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Any other inference is a fabrication.
You dishonestly tried to imply otherwise.
Why did you duck responding to this.
Because I didn't feel like it,
Fair enough, since you have no defence that is to be expected.
Liar.
Yet you just admitted it was the truth.
And that's clearly a lie.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping
of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six
could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special
information to the teams before every race. It's called a
pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.
Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
context.
Liar.
Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why
would they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from
his superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
to the teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
ended as quickly as possible.
Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
and F1 Team Managers)'
How is that a response?
Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.
Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received
instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him authorisation
to ignore the safety car regulations...
...else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.
You know they didn't.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?
I don't know.
So you just made it all up.
Now answer my question:
Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car would
be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to that
event?
Yes or no.
It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or cite
such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.
I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to the
teams.
It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you took
no issue with its existence then.
No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them without
any trouble or further prevarication.
Alan wrote:
[snip]
What special instructions?
Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
Cite any that you think support your position as you declared above
that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
"there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
Straight from the report, Liar.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car
at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
and F1 Team Managers)'
No mention of special instructions to the team there.
Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again or misleading and misrepresentation.
Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.
Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.
Got it.
On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>> made-human-error/
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ahuman errorA
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that
is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the
F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had >received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his >superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >quickly as possible.
Yes or no:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond; >>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to
not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only
if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that
only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from
above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to
the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
What I don't understand is why you say 'clearly' when you appear to be
the only person on the planet who can see 'it'?
Occam's razor applys. We know there was a push prior by all involved to
see races finish under green flags /where possible/. We know that Masi
said no lapped cars. We know Horner pressured Masi using above pretext.
We know Masi changed his mind.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond; >>>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to >>>>> not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and
then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only >>>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that >>>>> only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from >>>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to
the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to >>> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.
So what was UNIQUE about them?
Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>>> made-human-error/
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO >>>>>>>>>
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that >>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into
account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the >>>>>>> F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the
facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>>
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC >>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but
only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction
from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.
Keep digging, Alan, you'll soon be at the Antipodes.
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>> that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the
teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as
quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
Sheeesh.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>> -a-a that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>> teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>> quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams about this particular race.
...if you have the balls for it.
On 24/03/2022 12:46 pm, Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>>> -a-a that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>> they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to
the
teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
ended as
quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the
teams about this particular race.
And those unique instructions included that the rules were going to be ignored ?
OK, to play your silly game - prove it.If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.
If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.
If you want to play the game, you have to pick a side.
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
[snip]
What special instructions?
Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
Cite any that you think support your position as you declared
above that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
"there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
Straight from the report, Liar.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
No mention of special instructions to the team there.
Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again
or misleading and misrepresentation.
There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
race, Liar.
On 2022-03-23 7:01 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can
absolutely count on
that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence
was applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
There is no need. We both know you are lying. The above quote
implies as much. It makes no sense in any other contest.
Learn the difference between "infer" and "imply", Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the
context.
Liar.
Yet there is no other explanation other than that... so...
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone,
why would they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted
alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received
from his superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique
instructions to the teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would
be ended as quickly as possible.
Any such instructions would be moot unless they included
instructions permitting him to ignore the regulations.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
How is that a response?
Seems you are trying to deflect because you have nothing.
Let me make it simple for you you need to show that he received instructions from (preferably named) superiors giving him
authorisation to ignore the safety car regulations...
...else it just looks like you are making things up/lying.
You know they didn't.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
What instructions precisely can you prove he was given by his
superiors and who specifically are "those superiors"?
I don't know.
So you just made it all up.
Now answer my question:
Did Masi give the teams instructions about how the safety car
would be employed towards the end of the race that were unique to
that event?
Yes or no.
It certainly doesn't look like it, as I have asked you to quote or
cite such and you have repeatedly failed/prevaricated and lied.
Still won't take a stand.
Got it.
I am not aware of any "unique instructions" given to Masi or to
the teams.
It was widely reported, Liar. It's now buried under literally
thousands of other links, but I reported it much earlier and you
took no issue with its existence then.
No, I am sure if they existed you would be able to google them
without any trouble or further prevarication.
Sorry, but when an event gets as much coverage as this does, it makes
finding a particular link from earlier very difficult.
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and
said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
special information to the teams prior to the start
of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
special information to the teams before every race.
It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ahuman errorA >>>>>>>>>>
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that >>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up &
still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above. >>>>>>>>>
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into >>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1
SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the >>>>>>>> F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the >>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>>>
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC >>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but >>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction >>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how
the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had
received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.
The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special >instructionsuones not given at prior racesuregarding the use of the
safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Keep digging, Alan, you'll soon be at the Antipodes.
Start by answering that question...
...if you have the balls for it.
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>> that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>> teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>> quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams >about this particular race.
Sheeesh.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
Well?
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during
the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>> that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would
they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>> teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>> quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams >about this particular race.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
Sheeesh.
Yes or no:
Did Masi give those unique instructions prior to the race?
Well?
On 2022-03-23 11:46 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:18:25 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to respond; >>>>>> who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC period, to >>>>>> not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping of cars and >>>> then suddenly changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but only >>>>>> if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race, that >>>>>> only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction from >>>>> above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to >>>>> the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special information to >>>> the teams before every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car would be used.
So what was UNIQUE about them?
Oh, wait, you already told us, it would be that any safety car period
would be ended as quickly as possible. Big deal.
Yes. A very big deal, because the fact that that unique discussion
took
place puts Masi's actions in a larger context.
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made rCyhuman errorrCO >>>>>>>>>>>
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that >>>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & >>>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above. >>>>>>>>>>
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the >>>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into >>>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 >>>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the >>>>>>>>> F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the >>>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not
applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>>>>
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to
respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC >>>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but >>>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the >>>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction >>>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams >>>>>>> prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how >>>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had >>>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that
you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.
The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
instructionsrCoones not given at prior racesrCoregarding the use of the
safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
up."
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>>> that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>> they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone?
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>>> teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>>> quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
about this particular race.
That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams' preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
managed.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
[snip]
What special instructions?
Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the teams
special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
Cite any that you think support your position as you declared
above that gave Masi permission to ignore the regulations.
"there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
Straight from the report, Liar.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety
car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account
previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1
Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
No mention of special instructions to the team there.
Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special
instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet again
or misleading and misrepresentation.
There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
race, Liar.
Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s
I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
are not just that... a liarboy.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com
says...
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and
said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
special information to the teams prior to the start
of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
special information to the teams before every race.
It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car
would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique
pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
Another lie, LIARBOY...
In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior
races.
The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or
expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
before that final race.
And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.
On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi- >>>>>>>>>>> made-human-error/
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made ahuman errorA >>>>>>>>>>>>
I think the only person who has at any time disagreed with that >>>>>>>>>>> is Alan, who i am sure will now claim this is a cover up & >>>>>>>>>>> still claim Masi acting under direct instructions from above. >>>>>>>>>>>
'32. It was also considered that the decisions regarding the >>>>>>>>>> safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into >>>>>>>>>> account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 >>>>>>>>>> SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the >>>>>>>>>> F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen times and the >>>>>>>>> facts remain... the regulations were not changed... only not >>>>>>>>> applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory Committee" >>>>>>>>>>
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission) reported to Masi... >>>>>>>>>>
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during the SC >>>>>>>>> period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover up but >>>>>>>>> only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the >>>>>>>>> race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly direction >>>>>>>> from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams >>>>>>>> prior to the start of the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsA preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all in it
about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and practices.
Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message about how >>>>> the safety car would be handled late in the race indicates that he had >>>>> received instructions on the subject from someone above him.
Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was. Pity that >>>> you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you can't tell us why
Horner didn't use that message to justify Max's victory.
The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
instructionsuones not given at prior racesuregarding the use of the
safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
I don't know of any such instructions. *You* are the only one claiming
there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
up."
Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?
Why is it none of you will take a stand?
On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period" >>>>>>>>>
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on >>>>>>>> that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>>
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>>> they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone? >>>>>>
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions to the >>>>> teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be ended as >>>>> quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
about this particular race.
That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
managed.
That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous >discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsA preference to end races >under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
when safe to do so.'
That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.
'The F1 driversA consultation'--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous >discussions".
Those links are now buried
Because, unlike you, we don't answer questions to which we don't
actually know the answer.
On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period" >>>>>>>>>
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely
count on
-a-a-a that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was applied? >>>>>>>
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context.
Liar.
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>>> they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone? >>>>>>
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his
superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions
to the
teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
ended as
quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as
quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams
about this particular race.
That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
managed.
That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and
F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety car,
when safe to do so.'
That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.
'The F1 driversrCO consultation'
THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous discussions".
Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.
Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.
On 25/03/2022 6:39 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-24 5:10 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:56 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:44 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:13:18 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:08 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Something you have been asked many times and always failed to >>>>>>>>>>> respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, during >>>>>>>>>>> the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC period" >>>>>>>>>>
2 examples
"Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely >>>>>>>>> count on
-a-a-a that."
What does that have to do with WHEN the other influence was
applied?
Find the thread and re-read it.
Nope. You quote it, Liar.
Liar.
You are either lying or pretending to have forgotten the context. >>>>>>
"If there conclusions were only that Masi acted alone, why would >>>>>>>>> they want to do that?
Sorry, but same question.
So are you now backpedaling and saying you believe he acted alone? >>>>>>>
Yes or no?
Nope. He acted on the (earlier) instructions he'd received from his >>>>>> superiors.
Instructions that are the reason that he gave unique instructions >>>>>> to the
teams...
...BEFORE THE RACE...
...that any safety car period near the end of the race would be
ended as
quickly as possible.
Are you now claiming that safety car periods aren't usually ended as >>>>> quickly as possible?
I'm claiming that there were specific, unique instructions to the teams >>>> about this particular race.
That is NOT what the report said - it said "made clear the F1 teams'
preference to end races under green flag racing conditions". Stating
the F1 teams' preference is not a *specific instruction* to a RD to
simply ignore current rules and practice as to how the safety car is
managed.
That is either a disingenuous lie or you're just ignorant.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the safety car at
the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission,
and F1 Team Managers) that made clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end
races under green flag racing conditions, rather than behind a safety
car, when safe to do so.'
That's the full sentence. It clearly talks about the involvement of
those who were Masi's superiors in the FIA.
'The F1 driversrCO consultation'
THAT is what took place prior to the race and after those "previous
discussions".
Doesn't suggest anything about free licence to ignore the rules and regs.
You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been ignored...
...right?
You get that the stewards at the event ruled the rules hadn't been ignored...
...right?
On 2022-03-24 3:02 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1gbg7$orc$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
instructions?ones not given at prior races?regarding the use of the
safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
Yes. Unless you have evidence of what was said (or not said) at prior races.
Sorry, but that's just another way to avoid answering.
What does "Yes[,] unless [I] have evidence" mean?
What you believe right now is tied to whether or not I have evidence?
The meeting (it now appears there were several) where agreement or expression of desire by the teams, for races (plural) to finish under
green flag conditions was not a flash in the pan that occurred just
before that final race.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
It was pointed out at about the time that his all happened that the discussion was unique to this race.
Those links are now buried in the thousands that use a lot of the same words.
And if it was mentioned in briefings before the final race, I see no
reason why it was not mentioned at prior races.
You seeing no reason for something doesn't change its reality.
On 2022-03-24 3:34 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 7:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
[snip]
What special instructions?
Are you denying the multiple reports that Masi gave the
teams special instructions prior to the Abu Dhabi GP?
Cite any that you think support your position as you
declared above that gave Masi permission to ignore the
regulations.
"there was clearly
direction from above that led Masi to give special
information to the teams prior to the start of the race"
Third chance. Anyone might think you were being dishonest.
Yes: "prior to the start of the race"
Straight from the report, Liar.
'It was also considered that the decisions regarding the
safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu Dhabi GP likely took
into account previous discussions (including at meetings of
the F1 SAC, the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers)'
No mention of special instructions to the team there.
Just the same old "desirable not to finish under the SC".
No special instructions to the teams and certainly no special instruction to Masi regarding the regulations.
So if that is all you were talking about you are guilty, yet
again or misleading and misrepresentation.
There were indeed special instructions given to the teams for that
race, Liar.
Well if liarboy says so who could possibly doubt... /s
I think I'll wait for you to actually show an iota of proof that you
are not just that... a liarboy.
I'm still waiting for you to take a stand.
On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made
rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time
disagreed with that is Alan, who i am sure will
now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi
acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions
regarding the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu
Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC,
the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made
clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under
green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen
times and the facts remain... the regulations were
not changed... only not applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission)
reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
special information to the teams prior to the start of
the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all
in it about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and
practices.
Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message
about how the safety car would be handled late in the race
indicates that he had received instructions on the subject
from someone above him.
Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was.
Pity that you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you
can't tell us why Horner didn't use that message to justify
Max's victory.
The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special instructionsrCoones not given at prior racesrCoregarding the use of
the safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
I don't know of any such instructions. You are the only one claiming
there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
up."
Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?
Why is it none of you will take a stand?
On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and
always failed to respond; who are the people
that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a
huge cover up but only if it involves a
conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
clearly direction from above that led Masi to give special information to the teams prior to the
start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
special information to the teams before every race.
It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
car would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those
unique pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
Another lie, LIARBOY...
I've asked the question.
You've avoided answering it.
What would you call it?
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and
always failed to respond; who are the people
that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a
huge cover up but only if it involves a
conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
special information to the teams prior to the
start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
special information to the teams before every race.
It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
car would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those
unique pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
Another lie, LIARBOY...
I've asked the question.
You've avoided answering it.
What would you call it?
Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or said
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-24 5:03 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:https://racer.com/2022/03/19/fia-releases-abu-dhabi-report-says-masi-
On Wed, 23 Mar 2022 16:46:15 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-23 11:41 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 10:34:53 -0700, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-03-22 10:31 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Tue, 22 Mar 2022 09:56:47 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
<bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-20 5:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-19 9:22 a.m., alister wrote:
On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 10:29:34 -0500, Heron wrote:
FIA releases Abu Dhabi report, says Masi made
rCyhuman errorrCO
made-human-error/
I think the only person who has at any time
disagreed with that is Alan, who i am sure will
now claim this is a cover up & still claim Masi
acting under direct instructions from above.
'32. It was also considered that the decisions
regarding the safety car at the end of the 2021 Abu
Dhabi GP likely took into account previous
discussions (including at meetings of the F1 SAC,
the F1 Commission, and F1 Team Managers) that made
clear the F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under
green flag racing conditions...'
Straight from the actual report.
Nothing new. You must have brought this up a dozen
times and the facts remain... the regulations were
not changed... only not applied.
The "F1 SAC" is the "Formula 1 Sporting Advisory
Committee"
Do you think that they (and the F1 Commission)
reported to Masi...
...or did he report to them?
Who is the Race Director's boss?
Something you have been asked many times and always
failed to respond; who are the people that you claim
told Masi, during the SC period, to not apply the
regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC
period"
That's essentially a lie. You constantly pushed that.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge
cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to
change the outcome of the race, that only you claim
exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
special information to the teams prior to the start of
the race.
Cite.
The only thing clarified above is that " the
F1 teamsrCO preference to end races under green flag racing
conditions"
Which was just about everybody's preference. Nothing at all
in it about Masi being free to ignore existing rules and
practices.
Except the fact that MASI brought the teams an extra message
about how the safety car would be handled late in the race
indicates that he had received instructions on the subject
from someone above him.
Pity you can't give us any details of what that message was.
Pity that you can't tell us who that "someone" was. Pity you
can't tell us why Horner didn't use that message to justify
Max's victory.
The gist of it was posted in this group ages ago.
Do you deny that prior to the race, Michael Masi gave special
instructionsrCoones not given at prior racesrCoregarding the use of
the safety car near the end of the race?
Yes or no.
I don't know of any such instructions. You are the only one claiming
there were such instructions, it's up to you to give the evidence to
support your claim - it's well beyond time that you "put up or shut
up."
Is that a "yes"... ...or a "no"?
Why is it none of you will take a stand?
Everyone has taken a stand.
Liar.
On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and
always failed to respond; who are the people
that you claim told Masi, during the SC period,
to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no
lapping of cars and then suddenly changed his mind
and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there is a
huge cover up but only if it involves a
conspiracy, to change the outcome of the race,
that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was
clearly direction from above that led Masi to give
special information to the teams prior to the
start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives
special information to the teams before every race.
It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety
car would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those
unique pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
Another lie, LIARBOY...
I've asked the question.
You've avoided answering it.
What would you call it?
Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or said
By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a question
you haven't answered.
Liar.
On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and
always failed to respond; who are the people
that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi
said no lapping of cars and then suddenly
changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there
is a huge cover up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there
was clearly direction from above that led
Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director,
gives special information to the teams before
every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the
safety car would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those
unique pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
Another lie, LIARBOY...
I've asked the question.
You've avoided answering it.
What would you call it?
Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or
said
By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a
question you haven't answered.
Liar.
On 2022-03-25 3:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Everyone has taken a stand.
You haven't.
Liar.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-25 3:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Everyone has taken a stand.
You haven't.
I have, you just don't like it. I have clearly declared my position
several times.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>,
nuh-uh@nope.com says...
Something you have been asked many times and
always failed to respond; who are the people
that you claim told Masi, during the SC
period, to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING
the SC period"
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi
said no lapping of cars and then suddenly
changed his mind and said six could lap.
It wasn't.
It seems you are willing to believe there
is a huge cover up but only if it involves a
conspiracy, to change the outcome of the
race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there
was clearly direction from above that led
Masi to give special information to the teams
prior to the start of the race.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director,
gives special information to the teams before
every race. It's called a pre-race briefing or
something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the
safety car would be used.
Let's keep this simple.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those
unique pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the
quotes.
Quote away.
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
Another lie, LIARBOY...
I've asked the question.
You've avoided answering it.
What would you call it?
Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or
said
By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a
question you haven't answered.
No, you ignorant fool, it is just precision.
Do you know even know what relevant means.
By the same token you are admitting that your questions have not been relevant. So duh!
On 26/03/2022 9:45 am, Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-25 3:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-24 3:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-23 6:39 a.m., Bigbird wrote:Another lie, LIARBOY...
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:55 a.m., Bigbird wrote:So you lied yet again. You are unable to "slap" any quotes
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 11:14 a.m., Bigbird wrote:Quote away.
Alan wrote:
On 2022-03-22 3:27 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:Let's keep this simple.
In article <t1bcnr$lre$3@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
I thought that was what the claim was. Masi said no lapping >>>>>>>>>>>>> of cars and then suddenly changed his mind and said six >>>>>>>>>>>>> could lap.Something you have been asked many times and always failed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to respond; who are the people that you claim told Masi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the SC period,
to not apply the regulations?
I never claimed they told him anything "DURING the SC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> period"
It wasn't.
Masi, or more correctly, the race director, gives special >>>>>>>>>>>>> information to the teams before every race.It seems you are willing to believe there is a huge cover >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up but only if it involves a conspiracy, to change the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outcome of the race, that only you claim exists.
It seems you're willing to ignore that there was clearly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction from above that led Masi to give special >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information to the teams prior to the start of the race. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It's called a pre-race briefing or something.
This was UNIQUE instructions regarding how the safety car >>>>>>>>>>>> would be used.
You are lying.
I'm not.
And you're "keeping it simple"...
...because you don't actually want to deny that those unique >>>>>>>>>> pre-race instructions were given...
...because you know I'll just bitch-slap you with the quotes. >>>>>>>>>
Sorry, but you need to take a definitive stand first.
anywhere...
...as expected.
This thread is simply a litany of your lies now.
So you won't take a stand.
I've asked the question.
You've avoided answering it.
What would you call it?
Another lie, I haven't avoided answering any relevant questions or
said
By your insertion of the word "relevant" you admit there is a question
you haven't answered.
Liar.
Naa naa naa-naa naa
geoff
It's a weasel word.
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