• Sharing engines

    From bra@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 10:16:16 2022
    I can't find an FIA rule about the provision and maintenance of engines. (1.) Who builds and who maintains the Ferrari engines in the three teams that use it? (2.) Likewise the four users of the Mercedes engine. (3.) Lastly, when did the Red Bull engine come into existence without parents?
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 13:28:51 2022
    On 3/17/2022 1:16 PM, bra wrote:
    I can't find an FIA rule about the provision and maintenance of
    engines. (1.) Who builds and who maintains the Ferrari engines in
    the three teams that use it? (2.) Likewise the four users of the
    Mercedes engine.

    I believe those engine manufacturers build and maintain the engines - by choice, not by rule.

    (3.) Lastly, when did the Red Bull engine come into existence without parents?

    Honda abandoned it on their doorstep. After they had announced their intention Max won the WDC using it, so they decided to continue to
    assemble it (although AIUI the Red Bull engine operation, formed in anticipation of entirely taking over the Honda operation and of
    developing a new engine for 2026 or so) has more of a role in
    maintenance than a customer would.

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  • From bra@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 12:31:06 2022

    (3.) Lastly, when did the Red Bull engine come into existence without parents?
    Honda abandoned it on their doorstep. After they had announced their intention Max won the WDC using it, so they decided to continue to
    assemble it (although AIUI the Red Bull engine operation, formed in anticipation of entirely taking over the Honda operation and of
    developing a new engine for 2026 or so) has more of a role in
    maintenance than a customer would.

    Thank you, Mark.
    Was the 'initial' Honda engine built in England, and if so, is it still built there at Red Bull?
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 15:52:29 2022
    On 3/17/2022 3:31 PM, bra wrote:

    Was the 'initial' Honda engine built in England, and if so, is it
    still built there at Red Bull?

    Always been Japan:

    "Honda will continue to assemble engines in Japan for Red Bull next year
    after the manufacturer's departure from Formula One, team boss Christian Horner said at the Austrian Grand Prix."

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/31755710/honda-continue-assembling-f1-engines-red-bull-2022

    Note that this article is from July 2021, and Honda may be more involved
    in the next couple of years than indicated.

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  • From bra@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 15:59:39 2022
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-7, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 3/17/2022 3:31 PM, bra wrote:

    Was the 'initial' Honda engine built in England, and if so, is it
    still built there at Red Bull?
    Always been Japan:

    "Honda will continue to assemble engines in Japan for Red Bull next year after the manufacturer's departure from Formula One, team boss Christian Horner said at the Austrian Grand Prix."

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/31755710/honda-continue-assembling-f1-engines-red-bull-2022

    Note that this article is from July 2021, and Honda may be more involved
    in the next couple of years than indicated.
    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    A vital part of my job is to render
    soporific subjects into gripping prose.
    - Idrees Kahloon


    Thanks again. I'm surprised the car's not called 'Red Bull Honda', though Honda's name appears boldly on the body.
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 22:19:25 2022
    On 3/17/2022 6:59 PM, bra wrote:
    I'm surprised the car's not called 'Red Bull Honda', though Honda's
    name appears boldly on the body.

    The engine is the "Red Bull RBPTH001" according to Forix; presumably the initials are for Red Bull Power Train Honda.

    Rebadging engines has precedent in F1. The 1990s Renault 3-liter V10
    was also known as Mechachrome, Supertec, and Playlife depending on the
    year and the team using it.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Mar 18 17:23:34 2022
    On 18/03/2022 11:59 am, bra wrote:
    On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:52:33 PM UTC-7, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 3/17/2022 3:31 PM, bra wrote:

    Was the 'initial' Honda engine built in England, and if so, is it
    still built there at Red Bull?
    Always been Japan:

    "Honda will continue to assemble engines in Japan for Red Bull next year
    after the manufacturer's departure from Formula One, team boss Christian
    Horner said at the Austrian Grand Prix."

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/31755710/honda-continue-assembling-f1-engines-red-bull-2022

    Note that this article is from July 2021, and Honda may be more involved
    in the next couple of years than indicated.
    --
    Mark Jackson - https://mark-jackson.online/
    A vital part of my job is to render
    soporific subjects into gripping prose.
    - Idrees Kahloon


    Thanks again. I'm surprised the car's not called 'Red Bull Honda', though Honda's name appears boldly on the body.

    Did somebody somewehere miss the news last year that Honda were
    withdrawing from F1, and sold all their engine intellectual property,
    etc, to Red Bull ?

    geoff
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