• Well, that's cleared that up then

    From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Mar 16 17:46:51 2022
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Mar 16 14:00:45 2022
    On 3/16/2022 1:46 PM, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Of course, the construction "any [conditional statement describing the
    group referred to ]will be required to pass" pretty much removes
    ambiguity about what "any" meant in the previous version.

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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Mar 16 13:02:48 2022
    On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 10:46:54 AM UTC-7, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff
    "However, the latest version of the regulations, issued today sees Article 55.13 state that: "If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message 'LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE' has been sent to all Competitors using the official messaging system, all cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car"."
    Given how far behind some cars can be couldn't this require the lead car(s) to take an extra lap depending on track length?
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 15:21:41 2022
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at
    all for misinterpretation.

    geoff
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 07:47:54 2022
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at
    all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 22:22:29 2022
    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at
    all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean "all".

    geoff
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  • From nospam@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 12:43:46 2022
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:21:41 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
    wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at
    all for misinterpretation.


    That's what the new ruling says "all cars that have been lapped by
    the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the
    safety car"."

    But I can't see the ambiguity in "ANY". "ANY" car that has been
    lapped means "EVERY" car that has been lapped means "ALL" cars that
    have been lapped. No way can it be interpreted as "SOME", or "THOSE
    THAT ARE IN THE WAY OF VER".

    Perhaps Australians struggle with English.

    I don't know that I can regain the interest this season.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 17:03:00 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room
    at all for misinterpretation.


    It always did and no-one seriously considered otherwise.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Mar 18 10:25:49 2022
    On 18/03/2022 1:43 am, AnthonyL wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:21:41 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
    wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at
    all for misinterpretation.


    That's what the new ruling says "all cars that have been lapped by
    the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the
    safety car"."

    But I can't see the ambiguity in "ANY". "ANY" car that has been
    lapped means "EVERY" car that has been lapped means "ALL" cars that
    have been lapped. No way can it be interpreted as "SOME", or "THOSE
    THAT ARE IN THE WAY OF VER".

    Perhaps Australians struggle with English.

    I don't know that I can regain the interest this season.


    Yeah Ozzie do struggle with English, just like Yanks. They can't spell
    words like 'labour', for sterters.

    Quote : "Article 48.12 of the 2021 Sporting regulations read: "If the
    clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message 'LAPPED
    CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE' has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."

    Looks like that says " ...any cars that have been lapped by the leader
    ..." to me.

    Yes that works with " ...will be required ..", but 'all' would have been firmer.

    geoff
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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Mar 17 22:26:08 2022
    In article <YPudnYaBt6X_Oq7_nZ2dnUU7-QPNnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
    Quote : "Article 48.12 of the 2021


    2022 Regulations, article 55.13 says 'all'.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Mar 18 11:37:38 2022
    On 18/03/2022 11:26 am, Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <YPudnYaBt6X_Oq7_nZ2dnUU7-QPNnZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...
    Quote : "Article 48.12 of the 2021


    2022 Regulations, article 55.13 says 'all'.


    Good.

    geoff
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Mar 18 07:13:30 2022
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 1:43 am, AnthonyL wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:21:41 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
    wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at >>> all for misinterpretation.


    That's what the new ruling says "all cars that have been lapped by
    the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the
    safety car"."

    But I can't see the ambiguity in "ANY". "ANY" car that has been
    lapped means "EVERY" car that has been lapped means "ALL" cars that
    have been lapped. No way can it be interpreted as "SOME", or "THOSE
    THAT ARE IN THE WAY OF VER".

    Perhaps Australians struggle with English.

    I don't know that I can regain the interest this season.


    Yeah Ozzie do struggle with English, just like Yanks. They can't spell
    words like 'labour', for sterters.

    Quote : "Article 48.12 of the 2021 Sporting regulations read: "If the
    clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message 'LAPPED
    CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE' has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."

    Looks like that says " ...any cars that have been lapped by the leader
    ..." to me.

    Yes that works with " ...will be required ..", but 'all' would have been firmer.

    ThatrCOs what 53.13 says.

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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Mar 18 10:07:05 2022
    On 3/18/2022 3:13 AM, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 18/03/2022 1:43 am, AnthonyL wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:21:41 +1300, geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org>
    wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at >>>> all for misinterpretation.


    That's what the new ruling says "all cars that have been lapped by
    the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the
    safety car"."

    But I can't see the ambiguity in "ANY". "ANY" car that has been
    lapped means "EVERY" car that has been lapped means "ALL" cars that
    have been lapped. No way can it be interpreted as "SOME", or "THOSE
    THAT ARE IN THE WAY OF VER".

    Perhaps Australians struggle with English.

    I don't know that I can regain the interest this season.


    Yeah Ozzie do struggle with English, just like Yanks. They can't spell
    words like 'labour', for sterters.

    Quote : "Article 48.12 of the 2021 Sporting regulations read: "If the
    clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message 'LAPPED
    CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE' has been sent to all Competitors via the official
    messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be
    required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."

    Looks like that says " ...any cars that have been lapped by the leader
    ..." to me.

    Yes that works with " ...will be required ..", but 'all' would have been
    firmer.

    ThatrCOs what 53.13 says.


    Until the next complaint. Won't be long.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Mar 18 17:28:12 2022
    On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 17:46:51 +0000, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    the have still failed to address the biggest error made
    "once all the lapped cars the safety car will come in on the FOLLOWING
    lap"





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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Mar 18 17:33:08 2022
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room
    at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change


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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Mar 19 13:11:10 2022
    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room
    at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Mar 19 13:01:30 2022
    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no
    room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the original rule
    that anyone with a basic understanding of English would have found
    confusing. it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.


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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Mar 19 13:08:29 2022
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no
    room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the original
    rule that anyone with a basic understanding of English would have
    found confusing. it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to obfuscate
    the regulation not being applied correctly but rather used in their
    favour.

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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Mar 21 12:06:54 2022
    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no >>>>>>> room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the original
    rule that anyone with a basic understanding of English would have
    found confusing. it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to obfuscate
    the regulation not being applied correctly but rather used in their
    favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    FIA remains FUBAR.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Mar 21 18:47:20 2022
    On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 12:06:54 -0400, News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:
    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no >>>>>>>> room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the original
    rule that anyone with a basic understanding of English would have
    found confusing. it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to obfuscate
    the regulation not being applied correctly but rather used in their
    favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    FIA remains FUBAR.



    you do not want cars trying to catch up with the back of the pack whilst marshals are still working on it, that's why they wait until it is clear.
    got the sequence right this time though.
    all cars pass safety car,
    safety car in FOLLOWING lap.




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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Mar 21 20:09:56 2022
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave
    absolutely no room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean
    "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the original
    rule that anyone with a basic understanding of English would have
    found confusing. it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to obfuscate
    the regulation not being applied correctly but rather used in their
    favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Mar 21 17:05:14 2022
    On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave
    absolutely no room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean
    "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the original
    rule that anyone with a basic understanding of English would have
    found confusing. it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to obfuscate
    the regulation not being applied correctly but rather used in their
    favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.


    First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 22 09:58:40 2022
    News wrote:

    On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave absolutely no room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean
    "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the
    original rule that anyone with a basic understanding of
    English would have found confusing. it was a smoke screen for
    a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to
    obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly but rather
    used in their favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.


    First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.

    ...which was a non-sequitur.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
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    Enjoy!
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 22 09:21:52 2022
    On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to leave
    absolutely no room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to mean
    "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to' bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the
    original rule that anyone with a basic understanding of
    English would have found confusing. it was a smoke screen for
    a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to
    obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly but rather
    used in their favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.


    First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.

    ...which was a non-sequitur.


    Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 22 18:23:12 2022
    News wrote:

    On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to
    leave absolutely no room at all for
    misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to
    mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to'
    bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the original rule that anyone with a basic understanding of
    English would have found confusing. it was a smoke screen
    for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly but
    rather used in their favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.


    First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.

    ...which was a non-sequitur.


    Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.

    I would not want to deprive you of the honour.

    There was no earlier opportunity to safely unlap the lapped cars.

    This was explained at the time in a manner that anyone but the most
    ignorant and/or illiterate could understand...
    ...so go ahead and take that bow now.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 22 14:55:31 2022
    On 3/22/2022 2:23 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to
    leave absolutely no room at all for
    misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended to
    mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to'
    bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with the
    original rule that anyone with a basic understanding of
    English would have found confusing. it was a smoke screen
    for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it to
    obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly but
    rather used in their favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.


    First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.

    ...which was a non-sequitur.


    Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.

    I would not want to deprive you of the honour.

    There was no earlier opportunity to safely unlap the lapped cars.

    This was explained at the time in a manner that anyone but the most
    ignorant and/or illiterate could understand...
    ...so go ahead and take that bow now.



    Illustrating you're still clueless, after all these years.

    But go ahead...
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 22 19:01:22 2022
    News wrote:

    On 3/22/2022 2:23 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to
    leave absolutely no room at all for misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended
    to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the
    '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to'
    bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with
    the original rule that anyone with a basic
    understanding of English would have found confusing.
    it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it
    to obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly
    but rather used in their favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha
    Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.


    First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.

    ...which was a non-sequitur.


    Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.

    I would not want to deprive you of the honour.

    There was no earlier opportunity to safely unlap the lapped cars.

    This was explained at the time in a manner that anyone but the most ignorant and/or illiterate could understand...
    ...so go ahead and take that bow now.



    Illustrating you're still clueless, after all these years.

    But go ahead...

    Well what a comprehensive rebuttal...

    ...not quite as gracious as capitulation but close enough.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 22 15:44:37 2022
    On 3/22/2022 3:01 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/22/2022 2:23 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/22/2022 5:58 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/21/2022 4:09 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    News wrote:

    On 3/19/2022 9:08 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    alister wrote:

    On Sat, 19 Mar 2022 13:11:10 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 19/03/2022 6:33 am, alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 22:22:29 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 17/03/2022 8:47 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 17/03/2022 6:46 am, Geoff May wrote:

    https://www.pitpass.com/71968/Rule-on-lapped-cars-amended >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Cheers

    Geoff

    Surely 'ANY' should have been "ALL". Just to
    leave absolutely no room at all for
    misinterpretation.

    geoff


    IsnrCOt that what the revision does?



    I find "any" a little vague, if it is intended
    to mean "all".

    geoff



    And the new rule says ALL - that was the change



    Yes, I had been reading the 21 regs as being the
    '22.

    The 'any' bit didn't fit well with the 'required to'
    bit.

    geoff



    I stil dont believe that there was nything wrong with
    the original rule that anyone with a basic
    understanding of English would have found confusing.
    it was a smoke screen for a stupid F**k up.

    IIRC the FIA never relied on it but RBR tried to use it
    to obfuscate the regulation not being applied correctly
    but rather used in their favour.



    How many safety car laps did it take to clear the Alpha
    Tauri?

    I'm sure you can find out if you put your mind to it...


    Half the remaining laps? And only then reshuffle the pack?

    ...or maybe it is beyond your limitations...


    FIA remains FUBAR.

    I am not going to disagree.


    First two were rhetorical, setting up the latter.

    ...which was a non-sequitur.


    Only to the illiterate and ignorant. Take a bow.

    I would not want to deprive you of the honour.

    There was no earlier opportunity to safely unlap the lapped cars.

    This was explained at the time in a manner that anyone but the most
    ignorant and/or illiterate could understand...
    ...so go ahead and take that bow now.



    Illustrating you're still clueless, after all these years.

    But go ahead...

    Well what a comprehensive rebuttal...

    ...not quite as gracious as capitulation but close enough.

    Yes, and thanks for capitulating.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)