Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
your own driver then ...

geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
under a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
you.-a Maybe nobody else.

Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.

However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should
not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
to happen.

MasirCOs boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

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On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

On 8/03/2022 5:46 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2022-03-07 6:09 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 8/03/2022 11:52 am, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of >>>>>> your own driver then ...

geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying >>>>> to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending >>>>> under a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Um, Horner ? Plus fuck-knows who else - I don't know, and neither do
you.-a Maybe nobody else.

Horner is reported as saying exactly what I was telling you.

However, irrelevant. Whoever said what, the wrong decisions are still
wrong decisions. He was the race director and should have had a solid
appreciation of the rules, and should have appreciated that they should >>>> not be bent in response to whoever saying whatever.

Sorry, but when your bosses tell you what they want, that's what tends
to happen.

MasirCOs boss is the FIA, the regulator of F1. Are you saying it is bent?

There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

Why would he do that? "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." There have been more controversial discussions over the season, not just in the last race. If it was deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

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durian <durian@invalid.com> wrote:

On 2022-03-08, keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

There have been plenty of accusations that Masi is "Bent" and
deliberately set out to rob Hamilton of the title.

Why would he do that? "Never attribute to malice that which is
adequately explained by stupidity." There have been more controversial discussions over the season, not just in the last race. If it was
deliberate it was, uhm, finely timed :-)

I saw a man under too much pressure who buckled. I think the decision
was wrong but not corrupt.

I think that Horner is right that Mercedes put a lot of pressure on Masi
and others throughout the season and that isn't right either. What's
astounding is that this observation can come from Horner and Red Bull
who are *just* as bad for putting pressure onto officials and calling
to the court of public opinion when things aren't going their way.

F1 needs this to be handled strongly and even-handedly without fear or
favour. If it's done right, they should also be handing out penalties
for speaking out of turn as I think many have been guilty of this year. "Bringing the sport into disrepute" is a useful tool. If a decision is
come to behind closed doors, going off and rehashing it (before or
after) with the press just creates impossible situations, and I don't
think Wolff, Horner or Marko can claim to have been blameless
throughout.
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Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
your own driver then ...

geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
under a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Do you have a cite for that.

Sounds like another one pulled out of your arse.

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Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
favour of your own driver then ...

geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
races ending under a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Do you have a cite for that.

The article above.

Tells us nothing about the source of any supposed guidance and who it
came from.

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Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of
your own driver then ...

geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying
to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending
under a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Oh FFS, we've been over this. It was his job to follow and enforce the regulations. If there were guidance that required a regulation change
they would have put one to the teams. There was not.
Are you really claiming to be too ignorant to know the difference
between something being "desirable" and being given authority to override/ignore the written regulations?


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In article <t062ak$84f$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid races ending under
a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

My understanding is that it was the teams themselves, during a team
principles meeting.

I'm trying to find a cite, but best I have done so far is https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.unpicking-the-safety-car- period-that-turned-the-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-on-
its.7rTWOXxJ5lpvg38nrCYfM3.html

https://tinyurl.com/bde7je2w

"The Formula 1 teams wanted a Grand Prix to always end under a green
flag. To flag down a race behind the (virtual) safety car would no
longer be possible. A noble goal, nice for the fans and good for the excitement. However, a consensus had to be reached on how to do this:
should there be extra laps, for example?

In any case, there are plenty of options to always finish under green. Precisely that proved to be a problem, because the teams could not agree
on what to do in case of a safety car in the final phase. That reports
Auto, motor und sport. A rule change did not make it. It is possible
that the teams will reach an agreement at a later stage, according to
the medium, and that finishing under yellow will be abolished after
all."




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In article <t071g2$ekb$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...

Do you dispute that Christian Horner stated that:

'Masi was trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to
avoid races ending under a safety-car period.'

Yes or no?

Who gave that guidance is the issue.


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In article <tYqdnQ4NtbsEKLr_nZ2dnUU7-XednZ2d@giganews.com>, geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org says...

Interestingly in a fan poll on Speed-Cafe, 2/3rds of the respondent felt that he should not have been sacked.

So Speed-Cafe types typically have a stiffy for VER and those who come
to his assistance ?

Or do they favour 'flexible' rules ?

I think it's a big step to say that not thinking masi should be sacked
is admission that they think he acted correctly.


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Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-08 8:52 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-08 3:07 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
favour of your own driver then ...

geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to
avoid races ending under a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Do you have a cite for that.

The article above.

Tells us nothing about the source of any supposed guidance and who
it came from.

Do you at least acknowledge that Horner said this?

And from whom can an employee received "guidance"?

Sure. I wasn't paying attention and thought it was something new and
relevant not the same old news restated.

Do acknowledge that "guidance" does not confer any permission to
ignore or circumvent the regulations.

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Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-08 9:13 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in
favour of your own driver then ...

geoff

'Horner is one of several figures in F1 to admit that Masi was
trying to follow guidance directing him to do his best to avoid
races ending under a safety-car period.'

So...

...who do you suppose was giving him that guidance?

Oh FFS, we've been over this. It was his job to follow and enforce
the regulations. If there were guidance that required a regulation
change they would have put one to the teams. There was not.
Are you really claiming to be too ignorant to know the difference
between something being "desirable" and being given authority to override/ignore the written regulations?

And yet

???

there was a specific call to the fact that safety cars would
be handled differently in this last race...

No. Be precise.

There was an agreement that finishing under the SC was not desirable.
Nothing more.

or in your choice of words...

"And yet" there was no suggestion that the regulations would not be
applied as written which would require overt and probably unanimous
agreement of the teams.

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On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 13:28:53 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

On 2022-03-07 1:24 p.m., geoff wrote:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60651647

Ha ha ha. Nothing to do with Masi's ignoring the rules in favour of your
own driver then ...

Since Horner is intimately acquainted with the situation...

...and you're not...

LOL, that's rich coming from someone whose lack of evidence has bever diminished his self-righteousness!
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~misfit~ wrote:

Maybe because Red Bull is the only top team in recent times who've
run Australian drivers? I've spoken to a few Aussies and they tend to
favour RBR because of this. It's the most popular team in Aus from
what I can see.

A quick search gave this.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/2021/10/21/ferrari-no-longer-most-popular-f1-team-among-fans/

"McLaren was the top-ranked team in the UK, US, Australia, Canada and
Brazil, while regionally it was ranked number one in Europe."

The combination of 2nd most popular driver Lando Norris and Daniel
Ricciardo probably drive this choice in AUS.


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