• Toto is satisfied

    From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 21 13:57:03 2022
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 01:56:52 2022
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular poster here! --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 08:43:33 2022
    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 08:38:12 2022
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 25 17:20:03 2022
    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 27 09:33:13 2022
    On 26/02/2022 2:20 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/


    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular
    poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".

    No.

    You can be sacked from an employer, or sacked from a position.

    geoff
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 09:51:23 2022
    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:20:03 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    "Michael Masi sacked by FIA after Hamilton controversy with 2 new race directors appointed." https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1567603/Michael-Masi-sacked-by-FIA-two-new-race-directors-set-appointed-Mercedes-F1-news

    "The FIA SACKS race director Michael Masi after his controversial
    handling of the Abu Dhabi GP" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10523523/F1-Michael-Masi-SACKED-race-director-Abu-Dhabi-Grand-Prix-controversy.html

    "Michael Masi Sacked As F1 Race Director https://www.fm104.ie/news/sport/michael-masi-sacked-as-f1-race-director/

    a but of course *you* have a better grasp of the English language than professionals who are paid to write!
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 02:35:23 2022
    On 2022-02-28 1:51 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:20:03 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
    wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first
    losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/



    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a
    regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't
    agree with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    "Michael Masi sacked by FIA after Hamilton controversy with 2 new
    race directors appointed." https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1567603/Michael-Masi-sacked-by-FIA-two-new-race-directors-set-appointed-Mercedes-F1-news

    Have you heard of "newspapers" and what they do with the language...

    ...especially for headlines?


    "The FIA SACKS race director Michael Masi after his controversial
    handling of the Abu Dhabi GP" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10523523/F1-Michael-Masi-SACKED-race-director-Abu-Dhabi-Grand-Prix-controversy.html

    Same question.


    "Michael Masi Sacked As F1 Race Director https://www.fm104.ie/news/sport/michael-masi-sacked-as-f1-race-director/

    Essentially the same question.


    rCa but of course *you* have a better grasp of the English language
    than professionals who are paid to write!

    I have an understanding that headlines are meant to grab the eye.

    What a pity you've never learned what a "rhetorical device" is:

    "Hyperbole

    Hyperbole is deliberate exaggeration. This can be for literary effect:"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_device#Hyperbole>

    Simple fact:

    The ordinary meaning of "sacked" with regard to employment means
    "dismissed from employment"

    Not offered another job.

    Not even demoted.

    Get over it.

    1. Masi tells the teams especially that for the last race any safety car period near the end of the race will be ended as quickly as possible?

    Do you think that was his idea alone to deliver that message?

    2. The FIA is keeping the results of the inquiry private.

    Do you think they would do that if the results cast them in a good light?

    3. They have not fired Masi. They've offered him a different job.

    Do you think he's actually going to be offered a position that's a demotion?

    Do you think a condition of his getting that new position is that he
    does not discuss what actually went on before, during and after the 2021 Bahrain GP?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 02:44:21 2022
    On 2022-02-26 12:33 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 2:20 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses. >>>>>>
    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/


    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular
    poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".

    No.

    You can be sacked from an employer, or sacked from a position.

    And yet.. ...you can't actually provide an example of that that isn't
    from a hyperbolic newspaper headline.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 11:12:55 2022
    On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 02:35:23 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-28 1:51 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:20:03 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
    wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first
    losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/



    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a
    regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't
    agree with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    "Michael Masi sacked by FIA after Hamilton controversy with 2 new
    race directors appointed."
    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1567603/Michael-Masi-sacked-by-FIA-two-new-race-directors-set-appointed-Mercedes-F1-news

    Have you heard of "newspapers" and what they do with the language...

    ...especially for headlines?


    "The FIA SACKS race director Michael Masi after his controversial
    handling of the Abu Dhabi GP"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10523523/F1-Michael-Masi-SACKED-race-director-Abu-Dhabi-Grand-Prix-controversy.html

    Same question.


    "Michael Masi Sacked As F1 Race Director
    https://www.fm104.ie/news/sport/michael-masi-sacked-as-f1-race-director/

    Essentially the same question.


    a but of course *you* have a better grasp of the English language
    than professionals who are paid to write!

    I have an understanding that headlines are meant to grab the eye.

    What a pity you've never learned what a "rhetorical device" is:

    "Hyperbole

    Hyperbole is deliberate exaggeration. This can be for literary effect:"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_device#Hyperbole>

    Simple fact:

    The ordinary meaning of "sacked" with regard to employment means
    "dismissed from employment"

    Cambridge Dictionary:

    " the sack

    B2 [ S ] UK
    a situation in which someone is removed from their job:"

    Apparently you don't just know better than professional writers, you
    know better than Cambridge University Press.



    Not offered another job.

    No mention in the Cambridge definition of being dismissed from an
    organisation or anything to do with being offered or not offered an
    alternative job as that is totally irrelevant to the person being
    dismissed from the job they had

    Not even demoted.

    Get over it.

    You're the one who needs to get over it, you started a stupid argument
    and hubris won't let you face up to it.

    1. Masi tells the teams especially that for the last race any safety car >period near the end of the race will be ended as quickly as possible?

    Do you think that was his idea alone to deliver that message?

    I dare say he consulted with those in the room with him but there is
    no reason to think he hot some sort of secret missive from *above* as
    you are convinced of.


    2. The FIA is keeping the results of the inquiry private.

    Do you think they would do that if the results cast them in a good light?

    The results don't show them in a good light; Massi was appointed by
    them so his cockup which tarnished the WDC reflects on them. All they
    want at this stage is to get rid of it.


    3. They have not fired Masi. They've offered him a different job.

    He had a job and he has been involuntarily removed from that job by
    his superiors. You don't accept the word "sacked" so what word would
    you use for it?


    Do you think he's actually going to be offered a position that's a demotion?

    I haven't a clue what it means in terms of ranking within the FIA ,
    salary or other benefits but that has nothing to do with it anyway -
    he was very publicly sacked from his job as RD.


    Do you think a condition of his getting that new position is that he
    does not discuss what actually went on before, during and after the 2021 >Bahrain GP?

    Your question presumes that there is something underhand to be
    discussed - you have produced absolutely nothing to support that idea
    which is clearly all in your mind.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 1 10:38:00 2022
    On 28/02/2022 11:35 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-28 1:51 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:20:03 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
    wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first
    losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/




    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a
    regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't
    agree with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    "Michael Masi sacked by FIA after Hamilton controversy with 2 new
    race directors appointed."
    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1567603/Michael-Masi-sacked-by-FIA-two-new-race-directors-set-appointed-Mercedes-F1-news


    Have you heard of "newspapers" and what they do with the language...

    ...especially for headlines?


    -a"The FIA SACKS race director Michael Masi after his controversial
    handling of the Abu Dhabi GP"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10523523/F1-Michael-Masi-SACKED-race-director-Abu-Dhabi-Grand-Prix-controversy.html


    Same question.


    -a"Michael Masi Sacked As F1 Race Director
    https://www.fm104.ie/news/sport/michael-masi-sacked-as-f1-race-director/

    Essentially the same question.


    -arCa but of course *you* have a better grasp of the English language
    than professionals who are paid to write!

    I have an understanding that headlines are meant to grab the eye.

    What a pity you've never learned what a "rhetorical device" is:

    "Hyperbole

    Hyperbole is deliberate exaggeration. This can be for literary effect:"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_device#Hyperbole>

    Simple fact:

    The ordinary meaning of "sacked" with regard to employment means
    "dismissed from employment"

    Not offered another job.

    Not even demoted.

    Get over it.

    1. Masi tells the teams especially that for the last race any safety car period near the end of the race will be ended as quickly as possible?

    Do you think that was his idea alone to deliver that message?

    2. The FIA is keeping the results of the inquiry private.

    Do you think they would do that if the results cast them in a good light?

    3. They have not fired Masi. They've offered him a different job.

    Do you think he's actually going to be offered a position that's a
    demotion?

    Do you think a condition of his getting that new position is that he
    does not discuss what actually went on before, during and after the 2021 Bahrain GP?

    For fuck sake AB, you want us to believe that you are some sort of
    racing driver when you can be proven to spend at least 23.5 hours of
    every single day quibbling over minutiae and pedantics, and who said or
    didn't say what and when and with the accent on which syllable which may change the meaning of what may have been said but was purposefully clipped.

    All of which leaves fuck-all actual time for your supposed motor racing.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 1 10:40:28 2022
    On 28/02/2022 11:44 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-26 12:33 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 2:20 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses. >>>>>>>
    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/


    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular
    poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".

    No.

    You can be sacked from an employer, or sacked from a position.

    And yet.. ...you can't actually provide an example of that that isn't
    from a hyperbolic newspaper headline.

    Well that one-liner has comprehensively addressed and dismissed all
    Martin's demonstrably valid points. Dickhead.

    geoff
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 14:02:00 2022
    On 2022-02-28 1:38 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 28/02/2022 11:35 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-28 1:51 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:20:03 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
    wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first
    losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/




    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a
    regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't
    agree with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    "Michael Masi sacked by FIA after Hamilton controversy with 2 new
    race directors appointed."
    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1567603/Michael-Masi-sacked-by-FIA-two-new-race-directors-set-appointed-Mercedes-F1-news


    Have you heard of "newspapers" and what they do with the language...

    ...especially for headlines?


    -a"The FIA SACKS race director Michael Masi after his controversial
    handling of the Abu Dhabi GP"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10523523/F1-Michael-Masi-SACKED-race-director-Abu-Dhabi-Grand-Prix-controversy.html


    Same question.


    -a"Michael Masi Sacked As F1 Race Director
    https://www.fm104.ie/news/sport/michael-masi-sacked-as-f1-race-director/

    Essentially the same question.


    -arCa but of course *you* have a better grasp of the English language
    than professionals who are paid to write!

    I have an understanding that headlines are meant to grab the eye.

    What a pity you've never learned what a "rhetorical device" is:

    "Hyperbole

    Hyperbole is deliberate exaggeration. This can be for literary effect:"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_device#Hyperbole>

    Simple fact:

    The ordinary meaning of "sacked" with regard to employment means
    "dismissed from employment"

    Not offered another job.

    Not even demoted.

    Get over it.

    1. Masi tells the teams especially that for the last race any safety
    car period near the end of the race will be ended as quickly as possible?

    Do you think that was his idea alone to deliver that message?

    2. The FIA is keeping the results of the inquiry private.

    Do you think they would do that if the results cast them in a good light?

    3. They have not fired Masi. They've offered him a different job.

    Do you think he's actually going to be offered a position that's a
    demotion?

    Do you think a condition of his getting that new position is that he
    does not discuss what actually went on before, during and after the
    2021 Bahrain GP?

    For fuck sake AB, you want us to believe that you are some sort of
    racing driver when you can be proven to spend at least 23.5 hours of
    every single day quibbling over minutiae and pedantics, and who said or didn't say what and when and with the accent on which syllable which may change the meaning of what may have been said but was purposefully clipped.

    All of which leaves fuck-all actual time for your supposed motor racing.

    Here's a real newsflash for you.

    My racing season is still nearly two MONTHS away.

    Why not answer my questions?

    Why not answer them honestly?

    Here's another:

    Do you think Liberty MediarCowho spent $4.4 BILLION for control of F1...

    ...you you really think that they wanted the closest season in the sport
    in the last 5 years (and the closest between drivers from two different
    teams in the last decade) to end behind the safety car?

    And do you think that they might have communicated that desire (that absolutely OBVIOUS desire) to the FIA and to Masi himself?

    Get real guys.

    Masi is being removed to save face for the FIA and Liberty Media.

    He's not being sacked because if they were to actually fire him...

    ...he'd have no reason at all to keep his mouth shut?

    'This year we have grown used to the radio calls to Michal Masi from the
    teams as they lobby the race director for decisions that go in their
    favour, never more so than during Sunday's Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.

    Yet while we were privy to their pathetic pleas we never got to hear the
    other voices feeding into the race director's ear piece, those from
    Liberty HQ.'

    <https://www.pitpass.com/71603/Dont-blame-Masi>

    Whoever wrote this piece gets it:

    'Masi, on the other hand, is a patsy, appearing to look a fool as he
    dithers under pressure from Toto and Christian, while all the time under
    even greater pressure from the likes of Chase Carey and Greg Maffei.'
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 14:09:03 2022
    On 2022-02-28 3:12 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 02:35:23 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-28 1:51 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:20:03 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
    wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first
    losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/



    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a
    regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't
    agree with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    "Michael Masi sacked by FIA after Hamilton controversy with 2 new
    race directors appointed."
    https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1567603/Michael-Masi-sacked-by-FIA-two-new-race-directors-set-appointed-Mercedes-F1-news

    Have you heard of "newspapers" and what they do with the language...

    ...especially for headlines?


    "The FIA SACKS race director Michael Masi after his controversial
    handling of the Abu Dhabi GP"
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10523523/F1-Michael-Masi-SACKED-race-director-Abu-Dhabi-Grand-Prix-controversy.html

    Same question.


    "Michael Masi Sacked As F1 Race Director
    https://www.fm104.ie/news/sport/michael-masi-sacked-as-f1-race-director/

    Essentially the same question.


    rCa but of course *you* have a better grasp of the English language
    than professionals who are paid to write!

    I have an understanding that headlines are meant to grab the eye.

    What a pity you've never learned what a "rhetorical device" is:

    "Hyperbole

    Hyperbole is deliberate exaggeration. This can be for literary effect:"

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_device#Hyperbole>

    Simple fact:

    The ordinary meaning of "sacked" with regard to employment means
    "dismissed from employment"

    Cambridge Dictionary:

    " the sack

    B2 [ S ] UK
    a situation in which someone is removed from their job:"

    Apparently you don't just know better than professional writers, you
    know better than Cambridge University Press.

    Where does it say it applies when someone is offered a different
    position in the same organistion?

    I note you don't quote the two examples they provided:

    '"They gave him the sack for being late."

    "Two workers got the sack for fighting in the warehouse."'

    Do you think in either of those you could add, "and offered him[/them]
    another job with the organisation"?




    Not offered another job.

    No mention in the Cambridge definition of being dismissed from an organisation or anything to do with being offered or not offered an alternative job as that is totally irrelevant to the person being
    dismissed from the job they had

    Other than the part you omitted.


    Not even demoted.

    Get over it.

    You're the one who needs to get over it, you started a stupid argument
    and hubris won't let you face up to it.

    1. Masi tells the teams especially that for the last race any safety car
    period near the end of the race will be ended as quickly as possible?

    Do you think that was his idea alone to deliver that message?

    I dare say he consulted with those in the room with him but there is
    no reason to think he hot some sort of secret missive from *above* as
    you are convinced of.

    Do you think that Liberty Media wouldn't make their preferences clear?



    2. The FIA is keeping the results of the inquiry private.

    Do you think they would do that if the results cast them in a good light?

    The results don't show them in a good light; Massi was appointed by
    them so his cockup which tarnished the WDC reflects on them. All they
    want at this stage is to get rid of it.

    And if all the inquiry could reveal is that Masi acted without any
    prompting from them, it would show them in a better light.



    3. They have not fired Masi. They've offered him a different job.

    He had a job and he has been involuntarily removed from that job by
    his superiors. You don't accept the word "sacked" so what word would
    you use for it?

    Not "sacked".



    Do you think he's actually going to be offered a position that's a demotion?

    I haven't a clue what it means in terms of ranking within the FIA ,
    salary or other benefits but that has nothing to do with it anyway -
    he was very publicly sacked from his job as RD.

    Nope. He was removed from the position of race director and offered a different position.



    Do you think a condition of his getting that new position is that he
    does not discuss what actually went on before, during and after the 2021
    Bahrain GP?

    Your question presumes that there is something underhand to be
    discussed - you have produced absolutely nothing to support that idea
    which is clearly all in your mind.

    What about Masi's special instructions to the teams about the safety car
    near the end of the race?

    Do you think that came out of nowhere? He just thought all on his own to
    give the teams a special bulletin?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 14:43:06 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 3:02:04 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Get real guys.

    lol
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 16:54:52 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 3:02:04 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    My racing season is still nearly two MONTHS away.

    Fuck you and fuck your schedule.
    You fucking piece of shit.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 28 18:13:15 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 3:02:04 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    My racing season is still nearly two MONTHS away.

    thanks grandpa
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 1 14:44:16 2022
    On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:09:03 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-28 3:12 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:

    [a]

    3. They have not fired Masi. They've offered him a different job.

    He had a job and he has been involuntarily removed from that job by
    his superiors. You don't accept the word "sacked" so what word would
    you use for it?

    Not "sacked".

    ROFLMAO - you complain about people saying Masi was sacked but you
    have no alternative word for it. That really does exemplify your
    idiocy.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 1 17:55:03 2022
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses.

    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    Whether or not Michael Masi was rCLsackedrCY or rCLmovedrCY is a matter of semantics, the fact is that, as a result of a number of dubious decisions,
    the most egregious of which was his failure to apply the rules correctly at
    Abu Dhabi, he has been removed from the position of Race Director.

    Apart from the fact that you seem unable to resist the temptation to
    indulge in polemics I do not understand why you apparently seek to excuse
    Masi on the grounds that you think he was, consciously or unconsciously,
    being manipulated by sinister commercial interests, presumably Liberty
    Media.

    Masi is (or likely to be rCLwasrCY) employed by the FIA, which is the regulatory body of F1. As such it is, or certainly should be, an
    independent arbiter. If, as you suggest, his decisions were influenced by
    the commercial rights holder then he is doubly guilty and what most of us
    think of as his rCLsackingrCY doubly justified.

    --
    Sir Tim
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 1 14:26:04 2022
    On 3/1/2022 12:55 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon first losses. >>>>>>
    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't agree
    with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    Whether or not Michael Masi was rCLsackedrCY or rCLmovedrCY is a matter of semantics, the fact is that, as a result of a number of dubious decisions, the most egregious of which was his failure to apply the rules correctly at Abu Dhabi, he has been removed from the position of Race Director.

    Apart from the fact that you seem unable to resist the temptation to
    indulge in polemics I do not understand why you apparently seek to excuse Masi on the grounds that you think he was, consciously or unconsciously, being manipulated by sinister commercial interests, presumably Liberty
    Media.

    Masi is (or likely to be rCLwasrCY) employed by the FIA, which is the regulatory body of F1. As such it is, or certainly should be, an
    independent arbiter. If, as you suggest, his decisions were influenced by
    the commercial rights holder then he is doubly guilty and what most of us think of as his rCLsackingrCY doubly justified.



    If so, Liberty brought the sport into disrepute, not spectacle.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Mar 1 19:43:11 2022
    News wrote:

    On 3/1/2022 12:55 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-23 12:38 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:43:33 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-22 1:56 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Monday, February 21, 2022, at 6:57:05 PM UTC, News wrote:
    For now. But will revert to accusatory and rabid upon
    first losses.


    https://www.essentiallysports.com/f1-news-mercedes-boss-toto-wolff-reacts-to-michael-masi-f1-exit/

    "F1 race director Michael Masi has been sacked."

    But he hasn't been sacked - at least not according to a
    regular poster here!

    You've never heard of rhetorical language, have you?

    You mean when people use an everyday expresion that you don't
    agree with?

    "Sacked" is most definitely an everyday expression.

    And it's everday meaning is "dismissed from employment".

    Not "offered a different job".


    Whether or not Michael Masi was rCLsackedrCY or rCLmovedrCY is a matter of semantics, the fact is that, as a result of a number of dubious
    decisions, the most egregious of which was his failure to apply the
    rules correctly at Abu Dhabi, he has been removed from the position
    of Race Director.

    Apart from the fact that you seem unable to resist the temptation to indulge in polemics I do not understand why you apparently seek to
    excuse Masi on the grounds that you think he was, consciously or unconsciously, being manipulated by sinister commercial interests, presumably Liberty Media.

    Masi is (or likely to be rCLwasrCY) employed by the FIA, which is the regulatory body of F1. As such it is, or certainly should be, an independent arbiter. If, as you suggest, his decisions were
    influenced by the commercial rights holder then he is doubly guilty
    and what most of us think of as his rCLsackingrCY doubly justified.



    If so, Liberty brought the sport into disrepute, not spectacle.

    Don't concern yourself, there is no evidence it was so.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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