• Masi Out

    From D Munz@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 08:05:07 2022
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."
    FWIW
    DLM
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  • From D Munz@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 08:08:05 2022
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60418716
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 08:27:59 2022
    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.

    Of course he'll be given another position...

    ...or else he has no reason to keep his mouth shut.
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 11:29:50 2022
    On 2/17/2022 11:08 AM, D Munz wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60418716

    Out with a bone saw?
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  • From Edmund@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 17:31:46 2022
    On 2/17/22 17:08, D Munz wrote:
    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60418716

    That means that no both Ham and Max have a WC that they didn't deserve.

    Justice after all. :-)

    Bring it on guys!

    Edmund



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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 16:32:48 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt
    that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    him)?"




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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 09:46:52 2022
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt
    that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 18:09:23 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 10:15:11 2022
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no chance
    that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 18:49:00 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says
    Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the
    Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer
    remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change
    would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...


    He has not been promoted.

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.


    Wrong. Masi has been sacked from the role as F1 Race Director. He has
    been replaced.

    He currently has no role within the FIA. So he has not been promoted
    out of the role... for doing such a good job in Abu Dhabi.

    So it's clear to anyone that the FIA are not standing behind him
    supporting his actions in Abu Dhabi.

    You called it wrong then and you continue to call it wrong now.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 11:58:06 2022
    On 2022-02-17 10:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says
    Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the
    Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer
    remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the
    federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change
    would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...


    He has not been promoted.

    Really?

    You think he's going to be demoted, do you?

    What's your prediction, sunshine?


    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.


    Wrong. Masi has been sacked from the role as F1 Race Director. He has
    been replaced.

    Nope. Simply, factually, incorrect.


    He currently has no role within the FIA. So he has not been promoted
    out of the role... for doing such a good job in Abu Dhabi.

    So it's clear to anyone that the FIA are not standing behind him
    supporting his actions in Abu Dhabi.

    "Scapegoat": look it up.


    You called it wrong then and you continue to call it wrong now.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:15:14 2022
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt
    that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:16:55 2022
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no chance
    that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:19:04 2022
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 12:39:34 2022
    On 2022-02-17 12:15 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt
    that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that job.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 12:41:38 2022
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept whatever
    role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for
    the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a
    good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.

    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 12:47:06 2022
    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 16:00:51 2022
    On 2/17/2022 3:15 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt
    that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff


    ... after using the bone saw.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 21:04:38 2022
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben >>>>>>>> Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>> -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a sweetener to
    prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word than sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just being a pedantic twat playing with words as normal)



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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 13:21:48 2022
    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben >>>>>>>>> Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>>> -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position. >>>>
    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a sweetener to prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word than sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just being a pedantic twat playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on his own,
    they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he could say would matter.

    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal, and from the fact
    that they're offering Masi another position, it's clear he's being
    incented not to relate what he knows on the matter.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 14:19:46 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:46:55 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    are you logging in again as rtr?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 14:21:10 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:58:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    "Scapegoat": look it up.

    are you logging in again as rtr?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 14:22:08 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:39:36 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that job.

    are you logging in again as rtr?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 14:22:59 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:41:40 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    are you logging in again as rtr?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 14:23:51 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:47:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    are you logging in again as rtr?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 14:25:08 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:21:52 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Nope.

    are you logging in again as rtr?
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  • From keithr0@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 08:33:31 2022
    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop being so petulant.
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 23:00:53 2022
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA
    position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a sweetener to
    prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word
    than sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just
    being a pedantic twat playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on his own,
    they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he could say would
    matter.

    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal, and from the fact
    that they're offering Masi another position, it's clear he's being
    incented not to relate what he knows on the matter.


    Expect a tinfoil shortage as you will need all of it for your hat



    --
    Humans are communications junkies. We just can't get enough.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:12:07 2022
    On 2022-02-17 3:00 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA
    position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the >>>>>> company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position? >>>>>
    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term. >>>>>
    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a sweetener to
    prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word
    than sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just
    being a pedantic twat playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on his own,
    they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he could say would
    matter.

    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal, and from the fact
    that they're offering Masi another position, it's clear he's being
    incented not to relate what he knows on the matter.


    Expect a tinfoil shortage as you will need all of it for your hat

    So what's your explanation?

    It was all Masi's fault... ...but they're offering him another position,
    why?

    They held an inquiry, but they won't release their findings...

    ...why?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:23:41 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:12:09 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    So what's your explanation?
    It was all Masi's fault... ...but they're offering him another position, why?
    They held an inquiry, but they won't release their findings...
    ...why?

    lots of questions from the resident asshole
    what happened to rtr?
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 12:24:13 2022
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept
    whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 12:26:01 2022
    On 18/02/2022 9:47 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    .

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    I have other better things to do. Not playing your silly game of pedantics.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:27:47 2022
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept
    whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:28:13 2022
    On 2022-02-17 3:26 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:47 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    .

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    I have other better things to do. Not playing your silly game of pedantics.

    So you couldn't find a single example.

    Got it.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:29:15 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:26:08 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    I have other better things to do. Not playing your silly game of pedantics.

    but he will try again with his rtr account
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:31:29 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:27:50 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.

    where is your rtr account?
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 12:32:19 2022
    On 18/02/2022 9:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:15 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael >>>>>> Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a >>>>>> good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt
    that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that job.

    He is unlikely, in any position, to say "Yes. I fucked up and admit I am
    to susceptible to bullying to be objective in that position".

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:34:14 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:28:16 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Got it.

    you aint got fuck all
    just a loser, piece of shit,
    rotten cunt hole,
    trolling, cock sucker
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:36:35 2022
    On 2022-02-17 3:32 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:15 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael >>>>>>> Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a >>>>>>> good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt >>>>>>> that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that job.

    He is unlikely, in any position, to say "Yes. I fucked up and admit I am
    to susceptible to bullying to be objective in that position".

    He's quite likely to say "I was under pressure from my bosses to make
    sure the race ended with excitement rather than under a yellow flag".
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 12:37:32 2022
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael >>>>> Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt
    that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had access
    to all comms involved.

    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes, then they
    too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or whatever you want to
    call it.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 12:41:00 2022
    On 18/02/2022 12:36 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:32 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:15 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael >>>>>>>> Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be >>>>>>>> offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a >>>>>>>> good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt >>>>>>>> that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>> -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that job.

    He is unlikely, in any position, to say "Yes. I fucked up and admit I
    am to susceptible to bullying to be objective in that position".

    He's quite likely to say "I was under pressure from my bosses to make
    sure the race ended with excitement rather than under a yellow flag".

    Maybe ...

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:44:29 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:36:37 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    He's quite likely to say "I was under pressure from my bosses to make
    sure the race ended with excitement rather than under a yellow flag".

    if he is a pussy like you
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:48:45 2022
    On 2022-02-17 3:41 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:36 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:32 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:15 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>> Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be >>>>>>>>> offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to >>>>>>>>> accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a >>>>>>>>> good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt >>>>>>>>> that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>>> -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that job.

    He is unlikely, in any position, to say "Yes. I fucked up and admit I
    am to susceptible to bullying to be objective in that position".

    He's quite likely to say "I was under pressure from my bosses to make
    sure the race ended with excitement rather than under a yellow flag".

    Maybe ...

    geoff


    If all the inquiry discovered is that Masi acted alone...

    ...why in the world would they keep that a secret?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:49:32 2022
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants >>>>>> to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is
    not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem >>>>>> felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had access
    to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes, then they
    too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 16:27:22 2022
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben >>>>>>> Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had
    access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes, then
    they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or whatever you
    want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the organisation.

    Not to split hairs .....

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 19:35:26 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:49:34 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I don't of course.

    oh of course
    you fucking queer
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 19:37:08 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:27:31 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    Not to split hairs .....

    no cunt hairs in your world
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 19:40:31 2022
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had
    access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes, then
    they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or whatever you
    want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and Masi
    is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted in them
    getting another position with the same organization...

    ...and you failed.


    Not to split hairs .....

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 19:48:46 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:40:33 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sorry, but no.

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 19:49:54 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 8:40:33 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    ...and you failed.

    oh fuck
    your parents failed
    you piece of shit
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 19:57:32 2022
    On 18/02/2022 4:40 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had
    access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes, then
    they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or whatever
    you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and Masi
    is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted in them getting another position with the same organization...

    ...and you failed.



    Cos I'm not a pedantic dickhead.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 00:49:39 2022
    On 2022-02-17 10:57 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 4:40 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry? >>>>>>>
    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have. >>>>>
    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had
    access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes, then
    they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or whatever
    you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and Masi
    is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted in them
    getting another position with the same organization...

    ...and you failed.



    Cos I'm not a pedantic dickhead.

    No?

    Well we do know that you haven't shown anything to support your claim
    that even getting demoted is ever referred to as being "sacked".
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:45:03 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...


    He has not been promoted.

    Really?

    You think he's going to be demoted, do you?

    What's your prediction, sunshine?


    What's yours, mealy mouth?


    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA
    position.


    Wrong. Masi has been sacked from the role as F1 Race Director. He
    has been replaced.

    Nope. Simply, factually, incorrect.


    Yet, you don't say how, Mealy.


    He currently has no role within the FIA. So he has not been promoted
    out of the role... for doing such a good job in Abu Dhabi.

    So it's clear to anyone that the FIA are not standing behind him
    supporting his actions in Abu Dhabi.

    "Scapegoat": look it up.

    How can he be a scapegoat when he instigated and was solely responsible
    for the actions that were deemed the problem.

    No-one, not even miserable conspiracy theorists like you have named
    anyone else.



    You called it wrong then and you continue to call it wrong now.



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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:48:24 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 3:00 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer
    remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben
    Sulayem felt that a change would be a good
    thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or
    possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not
    YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different
    FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote,
    there's no chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major
    misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different
    position in the company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a
    different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of
    the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a
    sweetener to prevent any protest on his part after removal
    (probably a better word than sacked in this case but the
    implication is the same you are just being a pedantic twat
    playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on
    his own, they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he
    could say would matter.

    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the
    inquiry found that there are things they don't want to reveal,
    and from the fact that they're offering Masi another position,
    it's clear he's being incented not to relate what he knows on the
    matter.


    Expect a tinfoil shortage as you will need all of it for your hat

    So what's your explanation?

    It was all Masi's fault... ...but they're offering him another
    position, why?

    They held an inquiry, but they won't release their findings...

    ...why?

    If you weren't so busy defending the indefensible you might take the
    time to look at the changes they are making and consider what that says
    about the situation. Of course as you like to put your conclusions
    before any consideration you might struggle...

    ...but just ask for help.

    --
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:50:35 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 3:32 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:15 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote" -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that
    job.

    He is unlikely, in any position, to say "Yes. I fucked up and admit
    I am to susceptible to bullying to be objective in that position".

    He's quite likely to say "I was under pressure from my bosses to make
    sure the race ended with excitement rather than under a yellow flag".

    What bosses? Have you even the slightest evidence to make such an
    assertion?

    All your evidence... here... now?
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:54:38 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    If they could have supported Masi's decisions... and those of the
    stewards... they would have done so and by doing so saved face and
    their integrity would have remained intact.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:57:01 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role
    is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the
    inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would
    have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had
    access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes,
    then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or
    whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and
    Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given* another position in the organisation.

    Not to split hairs .....


    *"is to be offered"

    ;-)

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:57:57 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:57 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 4:40 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains
    to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of
    the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they
    would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race,
    and had access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision,
    yes, then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that
    job, or whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry
    and Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the
    organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted in
    them getting another position with the same organization...

    ...and you failed.



    Cos I'm not a pedantic dickhead.

    No?

    Well we do know that you haven't shown anything to support your claim
    that even getting demoted is ever referred to as being "sacked".

    Now you claim he is being "demoted".

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 09:59:39 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:57 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 4:40 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains
    to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of
    the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they
    would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race,
    and had access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision,
    yes, then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that
    job, or whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry
    and Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the
    organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted in
    them getting another position with the same organization...

    ...and you failed.



    Cos I'm not a pedantic dickhead.

    No?

    Well we do know that you haven't shown anything to support your claim
    that even getting demoted is ever referred to as being "sacked".

    Look up "constructive dismissal" cases.

    You will find plenty of examples.

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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 20:29:29 2022
    In article <sum3bh$r25$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?


    Of course they are. If someone refuses to take up said offer, do they
    still have a job? Does that count as resignation? Do they still get redundancy? Of course not.



    --
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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 20:35:52 2022
    In article <sume9e$12b$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal,


    That they have concurred that the WDC title was won outside of the rules
    of the sport. This, for a multitude of reasons (not least, legal action
    by outside parties) is something that they can not admit.

    I would also not be surprised if a large chunk of that "transparent
    internal inquiry that we won't be releasing" was spent on working out
    the cheapest method of getting Masi out of that position. More laundry
    that they wouldn't want aired in public.


    --
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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 20:43:33 2022
    In article <sumllj$fpr$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.


    This is such a simplistic logical fallacy as I have seen recently. Such
    an inquiry would be difficult to conduct without touching on non-public internal structure, policy and ip issues that they wouldn't want made
    public.

    If they found that Masi's actions were a contravention of the rules
    then they can't make that public. Not officially, at any rate.

    If anything, the fact that they have reneged on previous statements of transparency intent suggests that the inquiry was quite a thorough one.

    --
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 14:04:11 2022
    On 2022-02-18 12:29 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sum3bh$r25$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?


    Of course they are. If someone refuses to take up said offer, do they
    still have a job? Does that count as resignation?

    Yes.

    Do they still get
    redundancy? Of course not.

    I'm not familiar with "redundancy" in this context.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 14:58:01 2022
    On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:04:13 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I'm not familiar with "redundancy" in this context.

    fuck off asshole
    understand that?
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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Feb 19 15:44:56 2022
    In article <sup54r$vvm$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Of course they are. If someone refuses to take up said offer, do they
    still have a job? Does that count as resignation?

    Yes.


    So you believe that employers have the right to turn to their employees
    and demand they move to a different job, and if they refuse, that would
    be resignation with no penalty or reparation?



    --
    Alan LeHun
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From leonard hofstatder@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Feb 19 09:54:16 2022
    On 2/19/2022 9:44 AM, Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sup54r$vvm$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Of course they are. If someone refuses to take up said offer, do they
    still have a job? Does that count as resignation?

    Yes.


    So you believe that employers have the right to turn to their employees
    and demand they move to a different job, and if they refuse, that would
    be resignation with no penalty or reparation?




    absolutely in US at least many states have "at-will employment" - they
    can do whatever the fuck they want to their employees, they are even
    loopholes for ways they get around discrimination cases - it's basically organized slavery for non-union employers - if you dont like it go elsewhere --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 20 09:04:10 2022
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:15:11 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no chance
    that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    You are the only one I see trying to make out that Masi was guilty of
    *major misconduct*, now involving some sort of FIA coverup; most
    people accept that Masi just made a gigantic cockup. Grounds for
    moving someone to a less challenging position but not necessarily
    getting rid of him entirely.




    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 20 09:42:55 2022
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben >>>>>>>>>> Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>>>> a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position. >>>>>
    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a sweetener to
    prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word than >> sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just being a
    pedantic twat playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on his own,
    they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he could say would matter.

    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal, and from the fact >that they're offering Masi another position, it's clear he's being
    incented not to relate what he knows on the matter.

    Clear to you but not everybody else.

    https://i.imgur.com/e9Tb5sT.jpeg
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 20 09:49:07 2022
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>> a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    Happens regularly in politics e.g. Dominic Rab was sacked as Foreign
    Secretary and moved to Justice Secretary
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 20 09:51:57 2022
    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop being so >petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 20 10:38:59 2022
    In article <sur3r6$4ii$1@dont-email.me>, n.nut@comcast.net says...

    absolutely in US at least many states have "at-will employment" - they
    can do whatever the fuck they want to their employees, they are even loopholes for ways they get around discrimination cases - it's basically organized slavery for non-union employers - if you dont like it go elsewhere


    Well we do have something similar over here. Zero hours contracts. But
    even these are beginning to attract legislative attention and many
    companies are moving away from them because of public pressure.
    McDonalds now offer fixed term contracts to all their employees. Sports
    Direct have stopped using them all together. They are only generally
    used for low skill, low wage jobs for younger people.




    --
    Alan LeHun
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 21 10:02:04 2022
    On 20/02/2022 10:51 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop being so
    petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    The only 'mitigation' is that Ham will return this year, rather than
    quitting in disgust/despair/dis-whatever.

    geoff
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 20 21:11:56 2022
    Martin Harran wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will
    be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that
    a change would be a good thing." >> >> FWIW >> DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop
    being so petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    Not having the person who fucked him over in a position where he could
    do it again at least acknowledges the wrongdoing and addresses the lack
    of trust there would be in the culprit.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 21 08:23:33 2022
    On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:11:56 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Martin Harran wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will
    be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that
    a change would be a good thing." >> >> FWIW >> DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop
    being so petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    Not having the person who fucked him over in a position where he could
    do it again at least acknowledges the wrongdoing and addresses the lack
    of trust there would be in the culprit.

    I doubt that would give him much comfort especially if he now never
    gets that
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 21 08:25:06 2022
    On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:11:56 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Martin Harran wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will
    be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that
    a change would be a good thing." >> >> FWIW >> DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop
    being so petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    Not having the person who fucked him over in a position where he could
    do it again at least acknowledges the wrongdoing and addresses the lack
    of trust there would be in the culprit.

    I doubt that would be much comfort, especially if he now never gets
    his record 8th WDC. I hope he does get it this year as there would be
    no justice in him being robbed of that unique achievement due to a
    cockup by a race director. And that is what it was - a cockup, not
    some great FIA conspiracy as Alan seems to think.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:28:56 2022
    On 2022-02-18 1:45 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...


    He has not been promoted.

    Really?

    You think he's going to be demoted, do you?

    What's your prediction, sunshine?


    What's yours, mealy mouth?

    I asked you first, so pony up, pussy.



    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA
    position.


    Wrong. Masi has been sacked from the role as F1 Race Director. He
    has been replaced.

    Nope. Simply, factually, incorrect.


    Yet, you don't say how, Mealy.

    "Sacked" means dismissed from an organization.

    'verb [with object ]
    1 informal dismiss from employment: any official found to be involved
    would be sacked on the spot.'



    He currently has no role within the FIA. So he has not been promoted
    out of the role... for doing such a good job in Abu Dhabi.

    So it's clear to anyone that the FIA are not standing behind him
    supporting his actions in Abu Dhabi.

    "Scapegoat": look it up.

    How can he be a scapegoat when he instigated and was solely responsible
    for the actions that were deemed the problem.

    And you know he was solely responsible... ...how?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:29:21 2022
    On 2022-02-18 1:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 3:00 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer
    remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben
    Sulayem felt that a change would be a good
    thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or
    possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not
    YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different
    FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote,
    there's no chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major
    misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different
    position in the company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a
    different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of
    the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a
    sweetener to prevent any protest on his part after removal
    (probably a better word than sacked in this case but the
    implication is the same you are just being a pedantic twat
    playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on
    his own, they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he
    could say would matter.

    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the
    inquiry found that there are things they don't want to reveal,
    and from the fact that they're offering Masi another position,
    it's clear he's being incented not to relate what he knows on the
    matter.


    Expect a tinfoil shortage as you will need all of it for your hat

    So what's your explanation?

    It was all Masi's fault... ...but they're offering him another
    position, why?

    They held an inquiry, but they won't release their findings...

    ...why?

    If you weren't so busy defending the indefensible you might take the
    time to look at the changes they are making and consider what that says
    about the situation. Of course as you like to put your conclusions
    before any consideration you might struggle...

    ...but just ask for help.


    I notice you failed to address anything I said.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:31:06 2022
    On 2022-02-18 1:50 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 3:32 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:39 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:15 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 6:46 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote" -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"


    Well somebody has to sweep the floor.

    geoff

    You won't keep him quiet about what happened by giving him that
    job.

    He is unlikely, in any position, to say "Yes. I fucked up and admit
    I am to susceptible to bullying to be objective in that position".

    He's quite likely to say "I was under pressure from my bosses to make
    sure the race ended with excitement rather than under a yellow flag".

    What bosses? Have you even the slightest evidence to make such an
    assertion?

    Are you pretending that there are not officials/employees of the FIA who
    are Masi's bosses?


    All your evidence... here... now?

    Why?

    You claimed he was "solely responsible" without any evidence, didn't you?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:31:42 2022
    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.


    If they could have supported Masi's decisions... and those of the
    stewards... they would have done so and by doing so saved face and
    their integrity would have remained intact.

    They did that by not overturning the results.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:35:45 2022
    On 2022-02-18 1:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role
    is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the
    inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would
    have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and had
    access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes,
    then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or
    whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and
    Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given* another position in the organisation.

    Not to split hairs .....


    *"is to be offered"

    ;-)


    Isn't it funny how you normally hang on every word Hamilton says:

    <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10538695/F1-Lewis-Hamilton-says-able-FIAs-report-Michael-Masi-firing.html>
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:36:20 2022
    On 2022-02-18 1:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:57 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 4:40 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains
    to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the
    federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of
    the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they
    would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race,
    and had access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision,
    yes, then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that
    job, or whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry
    and Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the
    organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted in
    them getting another position with the same organization...

    ...and you failed.



    Cos I'm not a pedantic dickhead.

    No?

    Well we do know that you haven't shown anything to support your claim
    that even getting demoted is ever referred to as being "sacked".

    Now you claim he is being "demoted".


    Nope. I'm responding to someone else's claim that it will be a demotion.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:37:04 2022
    On 2022-02-18 1:59 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:57 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 4:40 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains
    to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the
    federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of
    the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they
    would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race,
    and had access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision,
    yes, then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that
    job, or whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry
    and Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the
    organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted in
    them getting another position with the same organization...

    ...and you failed.



    Cos I'm not a pedantic dickhead.

    No?

    Well we do know that you haven't shown anything to support your claim
    that even getting demoted is ever referred to as being "sacked".

    Look up "constructive dismissal" cases.

    You will find plenty of examples.


    I already know what "constructive dismissal" is...

    ...and you have no evidence at all that this is that.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:40:57 2022
    On 2022-02-18 12:35 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sume9e$12b$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal,


    That they have concurred that the WDC title was won outside of the rules
    of the sport. This, for a multitude of reasons (not least, legal action
    by outside parties) is something that they can not admit.

    I would also not be surprised if a large chunk of that "transparent
    internal inquiry that we won't be releasing" was spent on working out
    the cheapest method of getting Masi out of that position. More laundry
    that they wouldn't want aired in public.



    And on who was pressuring him from above.

    Do you really think Liberty Media wanted the closest F1 championship in decades ending under a yellow flag?

    Do you think they had no conduit to communicate that preference to Masi?

    Do you think there is some significance in Masi telling the teams before
    the race that every effort would be made to end a safety car period near
    the end of the race as quickly as possible?

    Or had you just forgotten that?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:41:56 2022
    On 2022-02-18 12:43 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sumllj$fpr$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they would have.


    This is such a simplistic logical fallacy as I have seen recently. Such
    an inquiry would be difficult to conduct without touching on non-public internal structure, policy and ip issues that they wouldn't want made
    public.

    If they found that Masi's actions were a contravention of the rules
    then they can't make that public. Not officially, at any rate.

    Of course they can.


    If anything, the fact that they have reneged on previous statements of transparency intent suggests that the inquiry was quite a thorough one.


    Sorry?

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:42:32 2022
    On 2022-02-19 7:44 a.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sup54r$vvm$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    Of course they are. If someone refuses to take up said offer, do they
    still have a job? Does that count as resignation?

    Yes.


    So you believe that employers have the right to turn to their employees
    and demand they move to a different job, and if they refuse, that would
    be resignation with no penalty or reparation?

    That depends on the job, doesn't it?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:44:03 2022
    On 2022-02-20 1:02 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 20/02/2022 10:51 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move Michael
    Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to accept
    whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop being so >>> petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    The only 'mitigation' is that Ham will return this year, rather than quitting in disgust/despair/dis-whatever.

    geoff

    That was never ever really going to happen.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:45:34 2022
    On 2022-02-20 1:04 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:15:11 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no chance
    that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    You are the only one I see trying to make out that Masi was guilty of
    *major misconduct*, now involving some sort of FIA coverup; most
    people accept that Masi just made a gigantic cockup. Grounds for
    moving someone to a less challenging position but not necessarily
    getting rid of him entirely.

    So you're claiming he's being removed from the Race Director position
    for MINOR misconduct, are you?






    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the company? >>
    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Well?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:46:38 2022
    On 2022-02-20 1:42 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben >>>>>>>>>>> Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>>>>> -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position. >>>>>>
    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the >>>>>> company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position? >>>>>
    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term. >>>>>
    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a sweetener to
    prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word than >>> sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just being a >>> pedantic twat playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on his own,
    they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he could say would matter. >>
    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal, and from the fact
    that they're offering Masi another position, it's clear he's being
    incented not to relate what he knows on the matter.

    Clear to you but not everybody else.

    https://i.imgur.com/e9Tb5sT.jpeg

    Really?

    So you're claiming that they're withholding the results but there are no
    facts they don't want to reveal?

    Really?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 13:47:23 2022
    On 2022-02-20 1:49 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>>> -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position. >>>>
    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    Happens regularly in politics e.g. Dominic Rab was sacked as Foreign Secretary and moved to Justice Secretary

    Look up "rhetorical language".

    A cabinet shuffle is not a sacking.
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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 23:02:47 2022
    In article <sv3lb4$v95$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    If anything, the fact that they have reneged on previous statements of transparency intent suggests that the inquiry was quite a thorough one.


    Sorry?

    Where is the transparency in holding an inquiry and withholding the results?


    Non sequitur. I think you must have misread my sentence above.

    --
    Alan LeHun
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 16:20:15 2022
    On 2022-02-22 3:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sv3lb4$v95$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    If anything, the fact that they have reneged on previous statements of
    transparency intent suggests that the inquiry was quite a thorough one.


    Sorry?

    Where is the transparency in holding an inquiry and withholding the results? >>

    Non sequitur. I think you must have misread my sentence above.


    How does reneging on previous statements of transparency suggest that
    the inquiry was thorough?

    It may have been a rubberstamp...

    ...that they then wouldn't want to make public.

    Or it may have been thorough...

    ...but uncovered things they didn't want to make public.

    Or literally anywhere between those two extremes
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 16:55:33 2022
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    How does reneging on previous statements of transparency suggest that
    the inquiry was thorough?

    It may have been a rubberstamp...

    ...that they then wouldn't want to make public.

    Or it may have been thorough...

    ...but uncovered things they didn't want to make public.

    Or literally anywhere between those two extremes

    fuck off moron
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 22 16:57:39 2022
    On Tuesday, February 22, 2022 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    It may have been a rubberstamp...

    ...that they then wouldn't want to make public.

    Or it may have been thorough...

    ...but uncovered things they didn't want to make public.

    Or literally anywhere between those two extremes

    form a sentence
    you stupid cunt
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  • From Alan LeHun@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 05:39:51 2022
    In article <sv3ujv$q68$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...

    On 2022-02-22 3:02 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sv3lb4$v95$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    If anything, the fact that they have reneged on previous statements of >>> transparency intent suggests that the inquiry was quite a thorough one. >>>

    Sorry?

    Where is the transparency in holding an inquiry and withholding the results?


    Non sequitur. I think you must have misread my sentence above.


    How does reneging on previous statements of transparency suggest that
    the inquiry was thorough?

    Ok. That's a different question.


    It may have been a rubberstamp...

    ...that they then wouldn't want to make public.

    Or it may have been thorough...

    ...but uncovered things they didn't want to make public.

    Or literally anywhere between those two extremes

    Yes. But consider if it was rubber stamped, and it contained information
    that they did not want public. That would have been known at the time,
    and the promise of transparency would not have been forthcoming.

    That, the promise was made, and then reneged, suggests that the inquiry
    has covered information that originally, was thought would not be
    covered. Thus the inquiry has gone further/deeper than originally expected/intended.

    Yes, there are different scenarios and degrees of scenarios, (and we
    are, oc, just guessing) but Occam's razor suggests that it was simply a
    case of the inquiry been more thorough than expected.

    --
    Alan LeHun
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 08:50:44 2022
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:45:34 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-20 1:04 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:15:11 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>> him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no chance
    that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    You are the only one I see trying to make out that Masi was guilty of
    *major misconduct*, now involving some sort of FIA coverup; most
    people accept that Masi just made a gigantic cockup. Grounds for
    moving someone to a less challenging position but not necessarily
    getting rid of him entirely.

    So you're claiming he's being removed from the Race Director position
    for MINOR misconduct, are you?

    MAJOR MISCONDUCT implies deliberate intent; maybe your tin foil hat is interfering with your ability to distinguish between that and
    incompetence.








    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the company? >>>
    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Well?

    If someone is involuntarily removed by their employer from a position
    in which they have shown incompetence, then they are sacked *from that position*, irrespective of whether or not they are offered
    alternative, less demanding employment elsewhere in the organisation.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 08:55:34 2022
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:46:38 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-20 1:42 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben >>>>>>>>>>>> Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>>>>>> a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position. >>>>>>>
    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no >>>>>>> chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the >>>>>>> company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position? >>>>>>
    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term. >>>>>>
    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a sweetener to >>>> prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word than >>>> sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just being a >>>> pedantic twat playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on his own,
    they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he could say would matter. >>>
    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the inquiry
    found that there are things they don't want to reveal, and from the fact >>> that they're offering Masi another position, it's clear he's being
    incented not to relate what he knows on the matter.

    Clear to you but not everybody else.

    https://i.imgur.com/e9Tb5sT.jpeg

    Really?

    So you're claiming that they're withholding the results but there are no >facts they don't want to reveal?

    Really?


    They likely don't want to prolong discussion of an embarassing
    episode; there is nothing to support your insistence that there was
    some high-up pressure applied to Masi to make a decision he made in
    the heat of the moment.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 08:59:01 2022
    On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:11:56 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Martin Harran wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will
    be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that
    a change would be a good thing." >> >> FWIW >> DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop
    being so petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    Not having the person who fucked him over in a position where he could
    do it again at least acknowledges the wrongdoing and addresses the lack
    of trust there would be in the culprit.

    I don't think Masi *fucked him over* in any deliberate sense; he made
    a bad decision in the heat of the moment which shows he isn't up to
    the job and was rightly removed from it.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 09:01:54 2022
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:47:23 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-20 1:49 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote" >>>>>>>> a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position. >>>>>
    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    Happens regularly in politics e.g. Dominic Rab was sacked as Foreign
    Secretary and moved to Justice Secretary

    Look up "rhetorical language".

    A cabinet shuffle is not a sacking.

    LOL, I doubt if Raab saw it that way!
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 11:03:40 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:45 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided
    to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race
    Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA
    role, but whether the Australian wants to accept
    whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This
    is not a good precedent for the federation but
    obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a
    good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...


    He has not been promoted.

    Really?

    You think he's going to be demoted, do you?

    What's your prediction, sunshine?


    What's yours, mealy mouth?

    I asked you first, so pony up, pussy.


    LOL, not willing to back up your own assertions.



    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA position.


    Wrong. Masi has been sacked from the role as F1 Race Director.
    He has been replaced.

    Nope. Simply, factually, incorrect.


    Yet, you don't say how, Mealy.

    "Sacked" means dismissed from an organization.

    Wrong... and you know so which makes it look like you're heading down
    your usual route of falsehoods.


    'verb [with object ]
    1 informal dismiss from employment: any official found to be involved
    would be sacked on the spot.'



    He currently has no role within the FIA. So he has not been
    promoted out of the role... for doing such a good job in Abu
    Dhabi.

    So it's clear to anyone that the FIA are not standing behind him supporting his actions in Abu Dhabi.

    "Scapegoat": look it up.

    How can he be a scapegoat when he instigated and was solely
    responsible for the actions that were deemed the problem.

    And you know he was solely responsible... ...how?

    "No-one, not even miserable conspiracy theorists like you have named
    anyone else."

    Wonder why you snipped that... LOL

    :-)

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 11:15:00 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 3:00 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 13:21:48 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 1:04 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe
    Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the
    role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will
    be offered another FIA role, but whether
    the Australian wants to accept whatever
    role is on offer remains to be seen. This
    is not a good precedent for the federation
    but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably
    not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a
    different FIA position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote,
    there's no chance that YOU can read between the
    lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different
    position in the company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a
    different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not
    misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    As everyone knows any possition he is offered is simply a
    sweetener to prevent any protest on his part after removal (probably a better word than sacked in this case but the implication is the same you are just being a pedantic twat
    playing with words as normal)

    Nope.

    I'm making the very salient point that if Masi acted solely on
    his own, they could have actually sacked him, and nothing he
    could say would matter.

    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the
    inquiry found that there are things they don't want to reveal,
    and from the fact that they're offering Masi another position,
    it's clear he's being incented not to relate what he knows on
    the matter.


    Expect a tinfoil shortage as you will need all of it for your
    hat

    So what's your explanation?

    It was all Masi's fault... ...but they're offering him another
    position, why?

    They held an inquiry, but they won't release their findings...

    ...why?

    If you weren't so busy defending the indefensible you might take the
    time to look at the changes they are making and consider what that
    says about the situation. Of course as you like to put your
    conclusions before any consideration you might struggle...

    ...but just ask for help.


    I notice you failed to address anything I said.

    Did I credit you with the intelligence to work a few of these things
    out for yourself... oh dear.

    The most obvious reason for not releasing the findings is that it makes
    them look even worse than not doing so. If everything is as we know
    then they would basically be saying that they gave the WDC to the wrong
    guy. There is no remedy and whatever they did would not be a good look
    for the FIA or F1. You think perhaps they would overturn the result of
    the GP and have another Gala to celebrate Hamilton's 8th title? or have
    Max's first title forever tainted and have it officially known it was a
    stolen title? Of course not. That would not do the sport any favours;m
    even Hamilton and Mercedes can see that. They want to sweep it all
    under the rug and do what is needed to appease those affected.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 11:19:23 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 12:35 p.m., Alan LeHun wrote:
    In article <sume9e$12b$1@dont-email.me>, nuh-uh@nope.com says...
    It's clear from the fact that they aren't disclosing what the
    inquiry found that there are things they don't want to reveal,


    That they have concurred that the WDC title was won outside of the
    rules of the sport. This, for a multitude of reasons (not least,
    legal action by outside parties) is something that they can not
    admit.

    I would also not be surprised if a large chunk of that "transparent internal inquiry that we won't be releasing" was spent on working
    out the cheapest method of getting Masi out of that position. More
    laundry that they wouldn't want aired in public.



    And on who was pressuring him from above.


    Who was pressuring him from above?

    In all your dozens of mealy mouthed responses you have still failed to
    put a single name to these fictitious interlopers nor elaborated on how
    they could caused Masi to have intentionally ignored the regulations.


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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 11:23:14 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:50 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:


    He's quite likely to say "I was under pressure from my bosses to
    make sure the race ended with excitement rather than under a
    yellow flag".

    What bosses? Have you even the slightest evidence to make such an assertion?

    Are you pretending that there are not officials/employees of the FIA
    who are Masi's bosses?


    All your evidence... here... now?

    Why?


    So that's no names and no evidence. Perhaps conspiracy theories are not
    your strength. LOL

    You claimed he was "solely responsible" without any evidence, didn't
    you?

    No; ALL the evidence supports that view.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 12:04:49 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:59 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 10:57 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 4:40 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 7:27 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role
    of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the
    Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but
    obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change
    would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results
    of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA,
    they would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race,
    and had access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision,
    yes, then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from
    that job, or whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the
    inquiry and Masi is getting a new job and not being
    sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given another position in the organisation.

    Sorry, but no.

    I asked you to show an example where sacking someone resulted
    in them getting another position with the same
    organization...

    ...and you failed.



    Cos I'm not a pedantic dickhead.

    No?

    Well we do know that you haven't shown anything to support your
    claim that even getting demoted is ever referred to as being
    "sacked".

    Look up "constructive dismissal" cases.

    You will find plenty of examples.


    I already know what "constructive dismissal" is...

    Oh, that's tough.


    ...and you have no evidence at all that this is that.

    LOL, so NOW you think evidence is all important.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 12:07:35 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:57 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 12:49 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:37 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 12:27 pm, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 3:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 9:41 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided
    to move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race
    Director. He says Masi will be offered another
    FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be
    seen. This is not a good precedent for the
    federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a
    change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    Made easy by an obviously culpable party.

    See below.


    Why do YOU think they won't disclose the results of the inquiry?

    No idea. But they should.

    And if Masi were the only one involved at the FIA, they
    would have.

    Didn't realise that you sat in on his role at that race, and
    had access to all comms involved.

    I don't of course.


    If anybody else was involved in coming to that decision, yes,
    then they too should be re-assigned, sacked from that job, or whatever you want to call it.

    And that's why we're not getting the results of the inquiry and
    Masi is getting a new job and not being sacked.

    Sacked from that job, and given* another position in the
    organisation.

    Not to split hairs .....


    *"is to be offered"

    ;-)


    Isn't it funny how you normally hang on every word Hamilton says:

    Liar.



    <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-10538695/F1-Lewis-Hamilton-says-able-FIAs-report-Michael-Masi-firing.html>

    If you have a point feel free to attempt to make it. I am not about to
    read every report of "the sacking of Michael Masi" to try to work out
    what your latest conspiracy theory is.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 12:11:15 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says
    Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the
    Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains
    to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation
    but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good
    thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it must be true
    /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild conspiracy theories.



    If they could have supported Masi's decisions... and those of the stewards... they would have done so and by doing so saved face and
    their integrity would have remained intact.

    They did that by not overturning the results.

    No, they really didn't. There is no protocol or precedent for
    overturning the results.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 10:48:45 2022
    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says
    Masi will be offered another FIA role, but whether the
    Australian wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains
    to be seen. This is not a good precedent for the federation
    but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good
    thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it must be true
    /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and remembered
    everything that went on (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the end of the
    race would be ended as quickly as possible), that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those above, who above all
    did not want this season to end under a yellow flag.


    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares that this was
    solely Masi?
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 20:30:40 2022
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:47:23 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-20 1:49 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA
    position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the
    company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position?

    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term.

    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    Happens regularly in politics e.g. Dominic Rab was sacked as Foreign
    Secretary and moved to Justice Secretary

    Look up "rhetorical language".

    A cabinet shuffle is not a sacking.


    When it is a demotion it might as well be



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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 20:37:12 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it must be
    true /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and remembered
    everything that went on
    (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the end of the
    race would be ended as quickly as possible),

    Quote the part where he says "with total disregard for the regulations
    or fairness"

    that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.


    No, that is yet another falsehood.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those above, who above
    all did not want this season to end under a yellow flag.

    You have already admitted you have no evidence whatsoever to support
    such a conspiracy theory.



    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild
    conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares that this was
    solely Masi?

    "backing"?

    WTF are you on about.

    ALL OF THE EVIDENCE suggests that Masi alone made the decisions to
    ignore the regulations and do what he did.

    They did that by not overturning the results.

    No, they really didn't. There is no protocol or precedent for
    overturning the results.

    No argument there then.


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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 13:32:35 2022
    On 2022-02-23 12:30 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:47:23 -0800, Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-20 1:49 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:47:06 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:16 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 7:15 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-17 10:09 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:32 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 8:05 a.m., D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1): >>>>>>>>>>>
    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi >>>>>>>>>>> will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian >>>>>>>>>>> wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. >>>>>>>>>>> This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously >>>>>>>>>>> Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW DLM

    Called it.


    Sure you did. LOL!

    "What do you want to be that they keep Masi (or possibly
    "promote"
    -a him)?"

    "He says Masi will be offered another FIA role,"

    Indeed, sacked as RD as several of us said; notably not YOU.



    'or possibly "promote" him'...

    ...or could you just not read those words?

    Let's sum up:

    Masi is not being fired: he is being offered a different FIA
    position.

    The FIA won't disclose what their inquiry discovered.

    Since you can't read the words that I actually wrote, there's no
    chance that YOU can read between the lines...

    ...but I bet there are those that can.

    Tell me:

    When a company finds someone has committed major misconduct...

    ...do they typically offer that person a different position in the >>>>>> company?

    Is someone "sacked" when he's actually offered a different position? >>>>>
    Sacked 'from a position' and given another is not misuse of the term. >>>>>
    geoff


    Show an example of it being used in that manner.

    You've got the entire internet to choose from.

    Happens regularly in politics e.g. Dominic Rab was sacked as Foreign
    Secretary and moved to Justice Secretary

    Look up "rhetorical language".

    A cabinet shuffle is not a sacking.


    When it is a demotion it might as well be




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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 23 13:34:47 2022
    On 2022-02-23 12:37 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director.
    He says Masi will be offered another FIA role, but
    whether the Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a good
    precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it must be
    true /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and remembered
    everything that went on
    (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the end of the
    race would be ended as quickly as possible),

    Quote the part where he says "with total disregard for the regulations
    or fairness"

    Why? It isn't relevant.

    The fact that he told them that especially means something was up.


    that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.


    No, that is yet another falsehood.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those above, who above
    all did not want this season to end under a yellow flag.

    You have already admitted you have no evidence whatsoever to support
    such a conspiracy theory.

    And you've admitted you have none to support your claim he acted on his
    own intiative only.




    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild
    conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares that this was
    solely Masi?

    "backing"?

    Are you unfamiliar with English?


    WTF are you on about.

    ALL OF THE EVIDENCE suggests that Masi alone made the decisions to
    ignore the regulations and do what he did.

    What EVIDENCE is that?

    The special briefing with the team is evidence that other factors were involved.

    What's YOUR evidence that Masi "alone" made the decision.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 14:02:40 2022
    On 23/02/2022 9:59 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:11:56 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird" <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Martin Harran wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will
    be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian wants to
    accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem felt that
    a change would be a good thing." >> >> FWIW >> DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can stop
    being so petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at
    unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    Not having the person who fucked him over in a position where he could
    do it again at least acknowledges the wrongdoing and addresses the lack
    of trust there would be in the culprit.

    I don't think Masi *fucked him over* in any deliberate sense; he made
    a bad decision in the heat of the moment which shows he isn't up to
    the job and was rightly removed from it.

    Agreed. Herbie Bash said that a red flag should have been thrown (which was also my instinct as
    soon as the safety car came out - I was "What??? No red flag?"). At that stage of that race a red
    flag was really the only fair and equitable call - other than finishing under the SC which would
    have, although consistent with the previous application of the rules, been an anticlimax.

    Under a red the lapped cars would still have been unlapped but at least there would have been tyre
    parity between Max and Lewis and a race for a few laps. It would have been a riveting end to a very
    close season.
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    Shaun.

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    in the DSM"
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 11:49:12 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:37 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race
    Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA
    role, but whether the Australian wants to accept
    whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This
    is not a good precedent for the federation but
    obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a
    good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it must
    be true /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and remembered everything that went on
    (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the end of
    the race would be ended as quickly as possible),

    Quote the part where he says "with total disregard for the
    regulations or fairness"

    Why? It isn't relevant.


    LOL. You have rarely said anything so stupid... and you say a lot of
    stupid things.

    The fact that he told them that especially means something was up.


    Don't be mealy mouthed. Elaborate, giving all the context you have.


    that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.


    No, that is yet another falsehood.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those above, who
    above all did not want this season to end under a yellow flag.

    You have already admitted you have no evidence whatsoever to support
    such a conspiracy theory.

    And you've admitted you have none to support your claim he acted on
    his own intiative only.


    That is yet another falsehood. The entirety of everything that has been published suggests he was solely responsible for his decisions.




    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild
    conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares that this
    was solely Masi?

    "backing"?

    Are you unfamiliar with English?

    I am unfamiliar with the way you attempt to use/abuse it.



    WTF are you on about.

    ALL OF THE EVIDENCE suggests that Masi alone made the decisions to
    ignore the regulations and do what he did.

    What EVIDENCE is that?


    "ALL" available evidence.

    Are you unfamiliar with English.

    The special briefing with the team is evidence that other factors
    were involved.


    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that
    statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will disregard
    the regulations and the teams all agree.

    What's YOUR evidence that Masi "alone" made the decision.

    Everything of relevance that has been published.

    Which is very different from the "NOTHING" that you admit you have.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 11:54:41 2022
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 23/02/2022 9:59 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 21:11:56 -0000 (UTC), "Bigbird"
    <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

    Martin Harran wrote:

    On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 08:33:31 +1000, keithr0
    <user@account.invalid> wrote:

    On 18/02/2022 2:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to move
    Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race Director. He says Masi
    will be offered another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer remains to be seen.
    This is not a good precedent for the federation but obviously
    Ben Sulayem felt that
    a change would be a good thing." >> >> FWIW >> DLM
    Now that Mercedes have his head on a pike, perhaps Ham can
    stop being so petulant.

    How on earth does Masi being sacked mitigate Ham's annoyance at unfairly being deprived of a record WDC win?

    Not having the person who fucked him over in a position where he
    could do it again at least acknowledges the wrongdoing and
    addresses the lack of trust there would be in the culprit.

    I don't think Masi *fucked him over* in any deliberate sense; he
    made a bad decision in the heat of the moment which shows he isn't
    up to the job and was rightly removed from it.

    Agreed. Herbie Bash said that a red flag should have been thrown
    (which was also my instinct as soon as the safety car came out - I
    was "What??? No red flag?"). At that stage of that race a red flag
    was really the only fair and equitable call - other than finishing
    under the SC which would have, although consistent with the previous application of the rules, been an anticlimax.

    Under a red the lapped cars would still have been unlapped but at
    least there would have been tyre parity between Max and Lewis and a
    race for a few laps. It would have been a riveting end to a very
    close season.

    While appealing in hindsight it wasn't justified under the
    regulations... and at that point Masi had not decided to ignore them.

    At the time of the crash the predicted outcome would have been to get
    the race underway, without ignoring any regulations, with a lap or two
    to run.

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 09:29:42 2022
    On 2022-02-24 3:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:37 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has decided to
    move Michael Masi out of the role of F1 Race
    Director. He says Masi will be offered another FIA
    role, but whether the Australian wants to accept
    whatever role is on offer remains to be seen. This
    is not a good precedent for the federation but
    obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change would be a
    good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it must
    be true /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and remembered
    everything that went on
    (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the end of
    the race would be ended as quickly as possible),

    Quote the part where he says "with total disregard for the
    regulations or fairness"

    Why? It isn't relevant.


    LOL. You have rarely said anything so stupid... and you say a lot of
    stupid things.

    The fact that he told them that especially means something was up.


    Don't be mealy mouthed. Elaborate, giving all the context you have.


    that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.


    No, that is yet another falsehood.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those above, who
    above all did not want this season to end under a yellow flag.

    You have already admitted you have no evidence whatsoever to support
    such a conspiracy theory.

    And you've admitted you have none to support your claim he acted on
    his own intiative only.


    That is yet another falsehood. The entirety of everything that has been published suggests he was solely responsible for his decisions.

    Ummmmm.... ...nope.

    And we know there is information that HAS not been published.





    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild
    conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares that this
    was solely Masi?

    "backing"?

    Are you unfamiliar with English?

    I am unfamiliar with the way you attempt to use/abuse it.

    You really didn't know what I meant by "backing" in this context?




    WTF are you on about.

    ALL OF THE EVIDENCE suggests that Masi alone made the decisions to
    ignore the regulations and do what he did.

    What EVIDENCE is that?


    "ALL" available evidence.

    OK. Give an example.


    Are you unfamiliar with English.

    The special briefing with the team is evidence that other factors
    were involved.


    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that
    statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will disregard
    the regulations and the teams all agree.

    It isn't necessary.

    Do you acknowledge that such a discussion took place?

    Yes or no.


    What's YOUR evidence that Masi "alone" made the decision.

    Everything of relevance that has been published.

    Give an example.


    Which is very different from the "NOTHING" that you admit you have.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 18:31:42 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-24 3:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:37 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer
    remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent
    for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it
    must be true /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and
    remembered everything that went on
    (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the end
    of the race would be ended as quickly as possible),

    Quote the part where he says "with total disregard for the
    regulations or fairness"

    Why? It isn't relevant.


    LOL. You have rarely said anything so stupid... and you say a lot of
    stupid things.

    The fact that he told them that especially means something was up.


    Don't be mealy mouthed. Elaborate, giving all the context you have.


    that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.


    No, that is yet another falsehood.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those above, who
    above all did not want this season to end under a yellow flag.

    You have already admitted you have no evidence whatsoever to
    support such a conspiracy theory.

    And you've admitted you have none to support your claim he acted
    on his own intiative only.


    That is yet another falsehood. The entirety of everything that has
    been published suggests he was solely responsible for his decisions.

    Ummmmm.... ...nope.


    LIAR. You have admitted you have no evidence to the contrary.

    And we know there is information that HAS not been published.


    Sure, maybe it says you are an ignorant cunt. You certainly can't prove otherwise.





    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares that
    this was solely Masi?

    "backing"?

    Are you unfamiliar with English?

    I am unfamiliar with the way you attempt to use/abuse it.

    You really didn't know what I meant by "backing" in this context?


    No. For someone who has previously demonstrated a hypocritical pedantry
    it makes no sense whatsoever.

    Would you like to elaborate?




    WTF are you on about.

    ALL OF THE EVIDENCE suggests that Masi alone made the decisions
    to ignore the regulations and do what he did.

    What EVIDENCE is that?


    "ALL" available evidence.

    OK. Give an example.


    Every single article that discussed the decisions taken in Abu Dhabi.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=masis+abu+dhabi+decisions

    A good few hundred here I would think.

    Do you have a single one to the contrary?

    You have certainly FAILED to declare even one in the last few months.


    Are you unfamiliar with English.

    The special briefing with the team is evidence that other factors
    were involved.


    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that
    statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will
    disregard the regulations and the teams all agree.

    It isn't necessary.


    Not if you admit you really don't know what was said except in the
    loosest terms that do not support your assertions in the slightest.

    Do you acknowledge that such a discussion took place?

    Yes or no.


    No, Clearly no discussion that would support your claim that Masi was
    given the authority to ignore the regulations.

    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that
    statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will
    disregard the regulations and the teams all agree

    Do you admit you cannot do that (because you are dishonest and are
    attempting to misrepresent an undocumented discussion)?

    YES or NO.


    What's YOUR evidence that Masi "alone" made the decision.

    Everything of relevance that has been published.

    Give an example.


    See above.


    Which is very different from the "NOTHING" that you admit you have.


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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 10:42:48 2022
    On 2022-02-24 10:31 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-24 3:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:37 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward
    (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role of
    F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be offered
    another FIA role, but whether the Australian
    wants to accept whatever role is on offer
    remains to be seen. This is not a good precedent
    for the federation but obviously Ben Sulayem
    felt that a change would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then it
    must be true /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and
    remembered everything that went on
    (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the end
    of the race would be ended as quickly as possible),

    Quote the part where he says "with total disregard for the
    regulations or fairness"

    Why? It isn't relevant.


    LOL. You have rarely said anything so stupid... and you say a lot of
    stupid things.

    The fact that he told them that especially means something was up.


    Don't be mealy mouthed. Elaborate, giving all the context you have.


    that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.


    No, that is yet another falsehood.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those above, who
    above all did not want this season to end under a yellow flag.

    You have already admitted you have no evidence whatsoever to
    support such a conspiracy theory.

    And you've admitted you have none to support your claim he acted
    on his own intiative only.


    That is yet another falsehood. The entirety of everything that has
    been published suggests he was solely responsible for his decisions.

    Ummmmm.... ...nope.


    LIAR. You have admitted you have no evidence to the contrary.

    You've presented no evidence he acted solely on his own.

    None.


    And we know there is information that HAS not been published.


    Sure, maybe it says you are an ignorant cunt. You certainly can't prove otherwise.

    Do you acknowledge that the FIA held an inquiry and then declined to
    make the findings of that inquiry available?

    Yes or no.






    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or wild
    conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares that
    this was solely Masi?

    "backing"?

    Are you unfamiliar with English?

    I am unfamiliar with the way you attempt to use/abuse it.

    You really didn't know what I meant by "backing" in this context?


    No. For someone who has previously demonstrated a hypocritical pedantry
    it makes no sense whatsoever.

    Would you like to elaborate?

    "backing": a colloquialism for "support" in the sense of "support for a position held".





    WTF are you on about.

    ALL OF THE EVIDENCE suggests that Masi alone made the decisions
    to ignore the regulations and do what he did.

    What EVIDENCE is that?


    "ALL" available evidence.

    OK. Give an example.


    Every single article that discussed the decisions taken in Abu Dhabi.

    Sorry. Saying "every single article" is a cop-out.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=masis+abu+dhabi+decisions

    A good few hundred here I would think.

    Do you have a single one to the contrary?

    You have certainly FAILED to declare even one in the last few months.

    You've yet to present one that supports your position.

    And I've declared the acknowledged-to-be-unusual-at-the-time
    announcement by Masi before the race that any safety car period towards
    the end of that race would be ended as quickly as possible.

    Do you acknowledge that that was told to the teams prior to the race?

    Yes or no.



    Are you unfamiliar with English.

    The special briefing with the team is evidence that other factors
    were involved.


    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that
    statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will
    disregard the regulations and the teams all agree.

    It isn't necessary.


    Not if you admit you really don't know what was said except in the
    loosest terms that do not support your assertions in the slightest.

    Do you acknowledge that such a discussion took place?

    Yes or no.


    No, Clearly no discussion that would support your claim that Masi was
    given the authority to ignore the regulations.

    I'm not asking whether you agree it supports my claim.

    I'm asking if you acknowledge that in an unusual move, Masi informed the
    teams especially for the final GP that any safety car period near the
    end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible.

    Do you acknowledge that that statement was made to the teams?

    Yes or no.


    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that
    statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will
    disregard the regulations and the teams all agree

    Do you admit you cannot do that (because you are dishonest and are
    attempting to misrepresent an undocumented discussion)?

    YES or NO.

    Until you honestly answer my question, I will defer answering yours.



    What's YOUR evidence that Masi "alone" made the decision.

    Everything of relevance that has been published.

    Give an example.


    See above.

    Where you provided no actual example. Got it.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 11:44:12 2022
    On Thursday, February 24, 2022 at 11:42:53 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Got it.

    you aint got fuck all
    except a girly street car
    you fucking pussy
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 24 19:49:23 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-24 10:31 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-24 3:49 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 12:37 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-23 4:11 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 1:54 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-17 12:19 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 18/02/2022 5:05 am, D Munz wrote:
    Apparently they have decided. From Joe Saward (joeblogsf1):

    "The FIA President Mohammed Ben Sulayem has
    decided to move Michael Masi out of the role
    of F1 Race Director. He says Masi will be
    offered another FIA role, but whether the
    Australian wants to accept whatever role is
    on offer remains to be seen. This is not a
    good precedent for the federation but
    obviously Ben Sulayem felt that a change
    would be a good thing."

    FWIW
    DLM

    Was inevitable.

    Yup.

    The FIA needed a scapegoat.


    No, they didn't.

    Yes... ...they really did.

    Oh well, if an intransigent, habitual liar insists then
    it must be true /s

    So why did they need a scapegoat?

    Because it's obvious to anyone who actually learned and remembered everything that went on
    (including Masi's special instructions to the
    teams before the race that any safety car period near the
    end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible),

    Quote the part where he says "with total disregard for the regulations or fairness"

    Why? It isn't relevant.


    LOL. You have rarely said anything so stupid... and you say a
    lot of stupid things.

    The fact that he told them that especially means something
    was up.


    Don't be mealy mouthed. Elaborate, giving all the context you
    have.


    that Masi did not act
    solely of his own accord.


    No, that is yet another falsehood.

    He acted with the influence and pressure from those
    above, who above all did not want this season to end
    under a yellow flag.

    You have already admitted you have no evidence whatsoever to support such a conspiracy theory.

    And you've admitted you have none to support your claim he
    acted on his own intiative only.


    That is yet another falsehood. The entirety of everything that
    has been published suggests he was solely responsible for his decisions.

    Ummmmm.... ...nope.


    LIAR. You have admitted you have no evidence to the contrary.

    You've presented no evidence he acted solely on his own.

    None.


    And we know there is information that HAS not been published.


    Sure, maybe it says you are an ignorant cunt. You certainly can't
    prove otherwise.

    Do you acknowledge that the FIA held an inquiry and then declined to
    make the findings of that inquiry available?

    Yes or no.






    Try not to rely too heavily on your lack of evidence or
    wild conspiracy theories.

    So don't act like you, who without any backing declares
    that this was solely Masi?

    "backing"?

    Are you unfamiliar with English?

    I am unfamiliar with the way you attempt to use/abuse it.

    You really didn't know what I meant by "backing" in this context?


    No. For someone who has previously demonstrated a hypocritical
    pedantry it makes no sense whatsoever.

    Would you like to elaborate?

    "backing": a colloquialism for "support" in the sense of "support for
    a position held".





    WTF are you on about.

    ALL OF THE EVIDENCE suggests that Masi alone made the
    decisions to ignore the regulations and do what he did.

    What EVIDENCE is that?


    "ALL" available evidence.

    OK. Give an example.


    Every single article that discussed the decisions taken in Abu
    Dhabi.

    Sorry. Saying "every single article" is a cop-out.


    No it's not. I have provided hundreds of examples.

    You exactly NONE.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=masis+abu+dhabi+decisions

    A good few hundred here I would think.

    Do you have a single one to the contrary?

    You have certainly FAILED to declare even one in the last few
    months.

    You've yet to present one that supports your position.

    LIAR.


    And I've declared the acknowledged-to-be-unusual-at-the-time
    announcement by Masi before the race that any safety car period
    towards the end of that race would be ended as quickly as possible.

    Do you acknowledge that that was told to the teams prior to the race?

    Yes or no.



    Are you unfamiliar with English.

    The special briefing with the team is evidence that other
    factors were involved.


    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will
    disregard the regulations and the teams all agree.

    It isn't necessary.


    Not if you admit you really don't know what was said except in the
    loosest terms that do not support your assertions in the slightest.

    Do you acknowledge that such a discussion took place?

    Yes or no.


    No, Clearly no discussion that would support your claim that Masi
    was given the authority to ignore the regulations.

    I'm not asking whether you agree it supports my claim.

    I'm asking if you acknowledge that in an unusual move, Masi informed
    the teams especially for the final GP that any safety car period near
    the end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible.

    Do you acknowledge that that statement was made to the teams?

    Yes or no.


    Why not remind us of exactly what the words and context of that
    statement is with emphasis on the bit where he says he will
    disregard the regulations and the teams all agree

    Do you admit you cannot do that (because you are dishonest and are attempting to misrepresent an undocumented discussion)?

    YES or NO.

    Until you honestly answer my question, I will defer answering yours.


    LOL, of course you do.



    What's YOUR evidence that Masi "alone" made the decision.

    Everything of relevance that has been published.

    Give an example.


    See above.

    Where you provided no actual example. Got it.

    LIAR.

    Yet again, you rely entirely on your dishonesty for all your responses.

    YAWN!

    When you have anything at all to support any of your assertions feel
    free to post...

    ...else you clearly STILL have NOTHING to say.



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