• So 2022 F1?

    From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Jan 9 10:47:43 2022
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
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  • From fnot@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Jan 9 17:28:13 2022
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Jan 9 15:08:37 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 3:28:17 PM UTC-7, fnot wrote:

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.

    Indycar?
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 10:52:56 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
    Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be absorbed without over stressing the car.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:03:41 2022
    On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
    the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.


    Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
    and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
    the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
    shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
    loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
    new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
    absorbed without over stressing the car.

    Wow.

    There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
    but not for all the wrong reasons presented.

    The thing that is right is that this will have a profound effect on the
    design of the suspension.

    However!

    "Since there are no shocks as such"

    1. They're called "dampers" not "shock[ absorber]s" and there is a very
    good reason for that. They never did absorb shocks. Read any serious
    treatise on suspension and you'll learn that.

    2. There most certainly ARE dampers in the system. The purpose of
    dampers is to take energy out of the suspension (in the form of heat),
    so that the suspension doesn't continue to oscillate after encountering
    a bump.

    3. The part about "over stressing" the car is the easiest to deal with.
    The designers are more than able to calculate the forces put into the
    tires, suspension components and chassis.

    What the difference that new wheel/tire package will make is that the
    actual suspension of the car will need to do more of the compliance over
    bumps and less of it will be done in the flexing of the sidewalls (which
    both act as springs and have damping in the form of hysteresis in the compound).

    The suspension engineers will have to throw out what they've understood
    about how much compliance over the road irregularities comes from the
    tire and learn how much more they'll need to build into the traditional springs and dampers.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:25:39 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Wow.

    There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
    but not for all the wrong reasons presented.

    You miserable piece of shit.
    Fucking cock sucking cunt.
    Start your own thread on the 2022 regs.
    But no. Too fucking stupid and a
    useless trolling idiot.
    Fuck off on and die asshole.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:26:32 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Wow.

    faggot
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:27:08 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    However!

    faggot
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:29:09 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    fuck off you piece of shit
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:33:47 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
    but not for all the wrong reasons presented.

    you fucking cocking sucking annoying faggot
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:41:49 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    you fucking asshole
    someone starts a thread on the 2022 regs
    and you reply like a deluxe fucking cunt
    go fuck yourself
    you fucking idiot
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:52:39 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    However!

    take your gay ass exclamation mark
    and shove it up
    your queer ass rotten pussy
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 11 12:58:03 2022
    On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 1:03:45 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
    the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.


    Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
    and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
    the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
    shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
    loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
    new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
    absorbed without over stressing the car.
    Wow.

    There is so much wrong in one paragraph, and one thing that is right,
    but not for all the wrong reasons presented.

    The thing that is right is that this will have a profound effect on the design of the suspension.

    However!
    "Since there are no shocks as such"
    1. They're called "dampers" not "shock[ absorber]s" and there is a very
    good reason for that. They never did absorb shocks. Read any serious treatise on suspension and you'll learn that.

    2. There most certainly ARE dampers in the system. The purpose of
    dampers is to take energy out of the suspension (in the form of heat),
    so that the suspension doesn't continue to oscillate after encountering
    a bump.

    3. The part about "over stressing" the car is the easiest to deal with.
    The designers are more than able to calculate the forces put into the
    tires, suspension components and chassis.

    What the difference that new wheel/tire package will make is that the
    actual suspension of the car will need to do more of the compliance over bumps and less of it will be done in the flexing of the sidewalls (which both act as springs and have damping in the form of hysteresis in the compound).

    The suspension engineers will have to throw out what they've understood about how much compliance over the road irregularities comes from the
    tire and learn how much more they'll need to build into the traditional springs and dampers.

    As long as there is no risky passing right?
    You fucking faggot
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  • From petrolcan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jan 13 01:16:24 2022
    In article <srknqt$1c4b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan says...

    On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
    the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.


    Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
    and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
    the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
    shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
    loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
    new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
    absorbed without over stressing the car.

    Wow.

    Proper dick response.

    There's no shocks, they're called dampers.

    Have a look at yourself!
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jan 12 19:41:35 2022
    On 2022-01-12 5:16 p.m., petrolcan wrote:
    In article <srknqt$1c4b$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Alan says...

    On 2022-01-11 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
    the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.


    Everyone talks about the aero package for good reason, but the wheel
    and tire package may have an outsized influence. The first link in
    the suspension system is the tires sidewall. Since there are no
    shocks as such side wall flex is very important in absoring shock
    loading when hitting a curb or just bumps in the track surface. The
    new tires have much shorter sidewalls so how will that energy be
    absorbed without over stressing the car.

    Wow.

    Proper dick response.

    There's no shocks, they're called dampers.

    Which is what I told him.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jan 13 07:18:33 2022
    On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 8:41:38 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Which is what I told him.

    you fucking cunt
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 14 11:07:21 2022
    What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at testing with a better mousetrap?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 14 11:22:11 2022
    On 2022-01-14 11:07 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're
    supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car
    run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and
    will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at
    testing with a better mousetrap?

    I think that the FIA has a bunch of clever people working for them who understand the problem...

    ...but the F1 teams have the cleverest people working in motorsports,
    and more of them.

    Yes: the rule changes will help... ...some.

    But the chances are very good that the engineering staff of the teams
    will find ways to design the cars that subvert the changes at least to
    some degree.
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 14 14:42:08 2022
    On 1/14/2022 2:07 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at testing with a better mousetrap?


    Ah, yes. All hail CFD.

    The vaunted CDW "Centreline Downwash Wing" was such a success!
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 14 20:46:18 2022
    On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:22:20 AM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-01-14 11:07 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    What do you think will be the result of the new aero rules? They're supposed to make it easier to overtake by letting the following car
    run closer with out washing out the front tires. So will it work and
    will any of the also rans (aka not Merc and Red Bull) sow up at
    testing with a better mousetrap?
    I think that the FIA has a bunch of clever people working for them who understand the problem...

    ...but the F1 teams have the cleverest people working in motorsports,
    and more of them.

    Yes: the rule changes will help... ...some.

    But the chances are very good that the engineering staff of the teams
    will find ways to design the cars that subvert the changes at least to
    some degree.


    And they've had an extra year to perfect the design. Can't wait to see what happens at the test days.
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jan 17 01:02:36 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
    Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero changes.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jan 17 22:52:02 2022
    On 17/01/2022 10:02 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero changes.
    Solely increased lap times are not the objective.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jan 17 16:35:40 2022
    On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
    the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
    final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
    enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
    more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
    changes.


    How do you figure that?
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 18 10:42:45 2022
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:35:42 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
    the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
    final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
    enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
    more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
    changes.
    How do you figure that?


    Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between the lines when driving at speed.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 18 14:48:33 2022
    On 2022-01-18 10:42 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:35:42 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-01-17 1:02 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 10:47:44 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of
    the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    Have they finalized the whole business (to the extent anything is
    final in F1) with track limits? Last I saw they were going to
    enforce the white line all the way around. If they do that it'll
    more than counter any gain in passing from the tire and aero
    changes.
    How do you figure that?


    Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between the lines when driving at speed.

    And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.

    Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
    looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
    tires off the track.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 18 15:14:57 2022
    On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:48:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.

    Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
    looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
    tires off the track.

    you miserable cock sucker
    fuck off
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 18 17:48:46 2022
    On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:48:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.

    Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
    looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
    tires off the track.

    you are anti racing
    anti passing
    you have no credibility
    you hate it all
    why are you involved the sport?
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Jan 18 21:25:23 2022
    On 2022-01-18 5:48 p.m., texas gate wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 3:48:35 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines. >>
    Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
    looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
    tires off the track.

    you are anti racing

    No, I'm not.

    anti passing

    Wrong again.

    you have no credibility

    My peers find me credible.

    you hate it all

    Nope!

    why are you involved the sport?

    I love it.

    I actually do it.

    What do YOU do?
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jan 20 11:02:54 2022

    Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between the lines when driving at speed.
    And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the white lines.

    Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
    looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
    tires off the track.

    Yes, and if the cars weren't so oversized that wouldn't be a problem.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jan 20 21:39:07 2022
    XYXPDQ wrote:


    Because a lot of corners/chicanes/curves where passing might be
    possible are simplely to narrow/tight for two cars to fit between
    the lines when driving at speed.
    And no one is proposing that all four tires be kept within the
    white lines.

    Enforcing the white line rule "all the way around" means not just
    looking at certain points on the track to see if cars put ALL their
    tires off the track.

    Yes, and if the cars weren't so oversized that wouldn't be a problem.

    Eh? Cars don't race outside the lines because of their size.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jan 20 15:17:38 2022
    On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 2:39:09 PM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:

    Eh? Cars don't race outside the lines because of their size.

    Hi Asshole.
    Felicity got you panties in a knot?
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  • From rtr@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jan 26 13:42:47 2022
    On 2022-01-09, XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    I'm seriously hoping that Ferrari turns out with a better car for this
    season. I really want to see Leclerc v. Verstappen this year. I think
    both are very, very talented and it could be entertaining to watch.

    Also, I really want the season to start already so that all this HAM
    talk stops.

    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jan 26 11:03:37 2022
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-8, rtr wrote:
    On 2022-01-09, XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
    I'm seriously hoping that Ferrari turns out with a better car for this season. I really want to see Leclerc v. Verstappen this year. I think
    both are very, very talented and it could be entertaining to watch.

    Also, I really want the season to start already so that all this HAM
    talk stops.

    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz

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  • From rtr@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Jan 26 23:11:14 2022
    On 2022-01-26, XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:42:49 AM UTC-8, rtr wrote:
    On 2022-01-09, XYXPDQ <qwrt...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.
    I'm seriously hoping that Ferrari turns out with a better car for this
    season. I really want to see Leclerc v. Verstappen this year. I think
    both are very, very talented and it could be entertaining to watch.

    Also, I really want the season to start already so that all this HAM
    talk stops.


    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.

    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a competitive
    Alpine would be very cool.

    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Jan 27 10:51:31 2022

    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.
    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a competitive
    Alpine would be very cool.
    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz


    Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the midpack with the customer teams.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 28 10:39:12 2022
    XYXPDQ wrote:


    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.
    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
    competitive Alpine would be very cool.
    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz


    Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and
    the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the
    midpack with the customer teams.

    Why would you think that?

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    George R
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 28 11:23:12 2022
    XYXPDQ wrote:


    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.
    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
    competitive Alpine would be very cool.
    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz


    Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and
    the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the
    midpack with the customer teams.

    "Alpine want to be contending for wins and titles in Formula 1 by the
    end of 2024 at the latest, according to the brandrCOs CEO Laurent Rossi."

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/alpine-f1-title-challenger-timeline/

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 28 10:53:54 2022
    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 3:23:14 AM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    XYXPDQ wrote:


    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.
    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
    competitive Alpine would be very cool.
    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz


    Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and
    the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the midpack with the customer teams.
    "Alpine want to be contending for wins and titles in Formula 1 by the
    end of 2024 at the latest, according to the brandrCOs CEO Laurent Rossi."

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/alpine-f1-title-challenger-timeline/
    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
    So what were/are they doing then/now?
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  • From rtr@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 28 07:12:23 2022
    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> writes:

    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.
    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a competitive
    Alpine would be very cool.


    Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines
    and the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just
    run in the midpack with the customer teams.

    It's most probably the management. They don't have the team structure
    when it matters the most. But we will see this year. I really think
    that the alpine that was racing last year and the year before
    is a compromised one. If they've done their homework for this season
    I really believe that they can come up with a really decent car.

    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Jan 28 19:46:02 2022
    XYXPDQ wrote:

    On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 3:23:14 AM UTC-8, Bigbird wrote:
    XYXPDQ wrote:


    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.
    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a
    competitive Alpine would be very cool.
    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz


    Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines
    and the car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just
    run in the midpack with the customer teams.
    "Alpine want to be contending for wins and titles in Formula 1 by
    the end of 2024 at the latest, according to the brandrCOs CEO Laurent Rossi."

    https://www.planetf1.com/news/alpine-f1-title-challenger-timeline/
    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!

    So what were/are they doing then/now?

    Preparing for 2022.

    Does that answers ALL of your questions. :)

    I am not sure what you expected from them or why. Are you under the
    impression F1 is an easy formula to step up in?

    --
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    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Jan 31 17:28:44 2022
    XYXPDQ <qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:

    It'd be nice if there was a third team that was competitive
    for the WCC & WDC.
    That is true. I know this is a long shot but Alonso in a competitive
    Alpine would be very cool.
    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz


    Alpine is the hardest team to understand. They build the engines and the
    car and have good drivers, yet they seem happy to just run in the midpack with the customer teams.


    IrCOm sure they are not rCLhappyrCY about it.

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Jimbo@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 7 14:22:59 2022
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 7 15:52:23 2022
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 08:00:32 2022
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 22:06:32 2022
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>
    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 10:22:30 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the
    same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
    Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.

    Sorry, you're wrong.

    You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.

    Rallying is a race against the clock for position.

    Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
    (apparently not) racing down the mountain.

    ;-)

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 13:56:44 2022
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>
    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>> Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 06:28:04 2022
    On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:52:26 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.

    you are a trolling fucking fool
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:49:18 2022
    On 2/8/2022 5:22 AM, Bigbird wrote:
    Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
    (apparently not) racing down the mountain.

    ;-)



    Olympics*

    Asterisk games, at best.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 08:28:21 2022
    On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:52:26 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.

    More proof you hate auto sports.
    You have got to be the most
    hated cock sucker at the track.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:13:59 2022
    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>
    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:15:19 2022
    On 2022-02-08 2:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the
    same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
    Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.

    Sorry, you're wrong.

    You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.

    Rallying is a race against the clock for position.

    Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
    (apparently not) racing down the mountain.

    They're not racing either.

    I used to be a ski racer...

    ...so I should know.

    ;-)
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:15:55 2022
    On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>>
    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>> Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    "Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only "position" does.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:21:02 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    ...so I should know.

    you dont know fuck all
    you are just fucking trolling buffoon
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:21:45 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:15:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    "Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only "position" does.

    fuck you
    you fucking cunt
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:24:21 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I used to be a ski racer...

    you used to be a cunt
    and still are
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 09:41:44 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:15:21 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I used to be a ski racer...

    ...so I should know.

    you talk like a 12 year old
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:45:17 2022
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>>
    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>> Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 12:51:51 2022
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>> of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>> same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
    Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>> never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, >> which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 21:15:22 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 2:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
    Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
    cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.

    Sorry, you're wrong.

    You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.

    Rallying is a race against the clock for position.

    Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
    (apparently not) racing down the mountain.

    They're not racing either.

    I used to be a ski racer...


    Wrong again.

    Keep being wrong... it's amusing.

    ...so I should know.


    You should know a lot of things... you clearly don't.

    :-)

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 21:20:28 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
    F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
    more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car
    with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's a
    race against the clock.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 21:21:15 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
    cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.

    --
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 14:24:44 2022
    On 2022-02-08 1:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 2:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte
    Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
    cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.

    Sorry, you're wrong.

    You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.

    Rallying is a race against the clock for position.

    Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors
    (apparently not) racing down the mountain.

    They're not racing either.

    I used to be a ski racer...


    Wrong again.

    I'm wrong that I used to be a ski racer, sunshine?

    EfyA
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 14:27:33 2022
    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
    F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
    more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, >>> which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car
    with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's a
    race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is that
    context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
    forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are not
    allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the level of
    safety equipment are different than they are for those used for the very
    same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 14:29:36 2022
    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
    cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
    is being used.

    'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
    used in its literal sense.'

    <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>

    Once again, I understand something you don't.

    You must be very accustomed to that by now.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 17:51:12 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 3:24:47 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    sunshine

    that is so fucking gay
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 17:54:58 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 3:27:36 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sorry

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy

    motorsports

    you are an embarrassment to the sport
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Feb 8 17:57:02 2022
    On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 3:29:38 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
    is being used.

    'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
    used in its literal sense.'

    <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>

    Once again, I understand something you don't.

    You must be very accustomed to that by now.

    you fucking juvenile, loser, piece of shit, cock sucker
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 10:50:29 2022
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
    cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
    is being used.

    'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
    used in its literal sense.'

    <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>

    Punctuation is a very slippery slope, especially between Americans and
    Brits. Our conventions differ in many ways.

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 11:30:08 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
    a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
    that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
    forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
    the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
    not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
    level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
    for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    "There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC."

    You don't even realise that you keep contradicting yourself, do you.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 11:37:11 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
    F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
    more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
    word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    You have yet to provide any cite... just stupid assertions that have
    painted you into a corner.

    'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
    used in its literal sense.'


    <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>

    Once again, I understand something you don't.

    Once again you claim to understand something you don't.


    You must be very accustomed to that by now.

    Nope.

    :-)

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 11:37:57 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:15 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 2:22 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
    F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
    more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.

    Sorry, you're wrong.

    You attempt to redefine racing but do more to define stupidity.

    Rallying is a race against the clock for position.

    Anyway back to watching the Olympics and all those competitors (apparently not) racing down the mountain.

    They're not racing either.

    I used to be a ski racer...


    Wrong again.

    I'm wrong that I used to be a ski racer, sunshine?

    EfyA

    <sigh>

    You stupidity knows no bounds.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Calum@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 12:41:09 2022
    On 07/02/2022 23:52, Alan wrote:

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Well, they do in rallycross.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 13:46:20 2022
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same. >>>>>>
    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>>> Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>> never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    "Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only "position" does.


    I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word is being
    used :-)
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 13:57:52 2022
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>>> of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>>> same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte >>>>>>> Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>> never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, >>> which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with
    overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA


    In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of rCLracerCY:

    rCLRACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.rCY No requirement for them to
    do it simultaneously.

    rCLRACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.rCY

    --
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:17:36 2022
    On 2022-02-09 4:41 a.m., Calum wrote:
    On 07/02/2022 23:52, Alan wrote:

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Well, they do in rallycross.

    True.

    It wasn't what was being discussed, but still true.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:18:56 2022
    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top
    rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
    a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
    that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
    forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
    the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
    not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
    level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
    for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.



    "There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC."

    You don't even realise that you keep contradicting yourself, do you.

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:19:56 2022
    On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022
    F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to
    more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
    word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.


    You have yet to provide any cite... just stupid assertions that have
    painted you into a corner.

    'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
    used in its literal sense.'


    <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>

    Once again, I understand something you don't.

    Once again you claim to understand something you don't.

    LOL



    You must be very accustomed to that by now.

    Nope.

    Don't worry. You're getting there.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:20:44 2022
    On 2022-02-09 5:46 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the >>>>>>>>> of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte Carlo. >>>>>>> Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>> never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    "Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only "position" does. >>

    I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word is being used :-)


    Except "time" is being used literally.

    EfyL
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:21:55 2022
    On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>>>> of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>>>> same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte >>>>>>>> Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>>> never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, >>>> which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with >>> overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA


    In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of rCLracerCY:

    rCLRACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see
    which is the fastest in covering a set course.rCY No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.

    rCLRACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.rCY


    Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for words
    within a specific context often vary from the general.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:27:19 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:18:58 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I'm a certified senior instructor.

    you are a certified fucking idiot
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 09:28:46 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:21:57 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for words within a specific context often vary from the general.

    lol
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 19:32:39 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 5:46 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 5:56 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
    thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    "Time" doesn't need to be in quotes in that sentence; only
    "position" does.


    I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word is
    being used :-)


    Except "time" is being used literally.


    LO Fucking L

    Like you use "race", you moron.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 19:35:25 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
    on the effect of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
    for now. When the new season starts I'll be
    looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
    thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA


    In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of rCLracerCY:

    rCLRACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
    etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.rCY No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.

    rCLRACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
    fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.rCY


    Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
    words within a specific context often vary from the general.

    No,

    those are *literal* definitions.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 19:37:30 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you
    thoughts on the effect of the of the various
    rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
    for now. When the new season starts I'll be
    looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
    WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
    thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see;
    it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
    that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
    other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
    against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
    rules for the level of safety equipment are different than they
    are for those used for the very same cars if they are competing
    in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT provide a
    cite to support your non-literal assertion.



    "There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC."

    You don't even realise that you keep contradicting yourself, do you.


    Your lack of response is unsurprising.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 19:40:22 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
    word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.


    Sounds like backtracking to me.

    What a word "literally" means does not change.

    What you are doing here is called backpedaling... you are a true
    backpedal racer.


    You have yet to provide any cite... just stupid assertions that have painted you into a corner.

    'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not
    being used in its literal sense.'



    <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>

    Once again, I understand something you don't.

    Once again you claim to understand something you don't.

    LOL


    YAWN!



    You must be very accustomed to that by now.

    Nope.

    Don't worry. You're getting there.

    Double YAWN!

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 12:33:05 2022
    On 2022-02-09 11:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
    on the effect of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
    for now. When the new season starts I'll be
    looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
    thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top
    rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA


    In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of
    rCLracerCY:

    rCLRACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
    etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.rCY No
    requirement for them to do it simultaneously.

    rCLRACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
    fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.rCY


    Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
    words within a specific context often vary from the general.

    No,

    those are *literal* definitions.


    Yes. Literal, *general* definitions.

    Very good.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 13:01:22 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 1:33:08 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Yes. Literal, *general* definitions.

    Very good.

    fuck off asswipe
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 21:39:04 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:35 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 5:57 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
    fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you
    thoughts on the effect of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the new season starts
    I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
    WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
    thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
    etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA


    In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of rCLracerCY:

    rCLRACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
    etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.rCY No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.

    rCLRACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.rCY


    Yup. And those are general definitions. Definitions and usage for
    words within a specific context often vary from the general.

    No,

    those are literal definitions.


    Yes. Literal, general definitions.


    Backpedal as hard as you like; you are just making a fool of yourself.

    Perhaps if, when you decided to be a pompous arsehole, you had said "technically" instead of "literally" you may have had a platform from
    which to make your pompous case, one which you have failed to do,
    unable to cite anything to support your pompous assertions. You didn't
    and don't.

    You done fucked up you pompous ass.

    Very good.

    /thumbs up/

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 13:44:01 2022
    On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now. When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
    word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.


    Sounds like backtracking to me.

    What a word "literally" means does not change.

    What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does change
    with context.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 13:45:13 2022
    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you
    thoughts on the effect of the of the various
    rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
    for now. When the new season starts I'll be
    looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
    WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
    thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top
    rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see;
    it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
    that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
    other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
    against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
    rules for the level of safety equipment are different than they
    are for those used for the very same cars if they are competing
    in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT provide a
    cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
    actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 13:47:34 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:45:18 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
    actual racing vs time attack?

    seems you know fuck all
    just a trolling dumb cunt
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 13:54:17 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    notice that I don't use the quotes

    you are fucking dumb cunt
    notice that
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 11:17:48 2022
    On 9/02/2022 11:50 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the
    effect of the of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally
    cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a word
    is being used.

    'Scare quotation marks are also used to show that a word in not being
    used in its literal sense.'

    <https://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/quotation_(speech)_marks_meaning_alleged_so-called.htm>

    Punctuation is a very slippery slope, especially between Americans and
    Brits. Our conventions differ in many ways.


    Not to mention spelling, pronunciation, tense, number, grammar, and
    total misuse of words.

    The one that amuses the the most is the likes of "Please do this
    already !". An apparent anomaly in the time-space continuum ...

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 11:20:30 2022
    On 10/02/2022 2:57 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect >>>>>>>>>> of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts I'll be looking forward to more of the >>>>>>>>> same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began in Monte >>>>>>>> Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing rally cars >>>>>>> never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, >>>> which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with >>> overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA


    In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of rCLracerCY:

    rCLRACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, etc. to see
    which is the fastest in covering a set course.rCY No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.

    rCLRACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.rCY


    I have a great idea for F1. Would solve the problem of cars impeding
    each other (etc).

    Race the one at a time against the clock.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 11:21:33 2022
    On 10/02/2022 6:18 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now.-a When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo.-a Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top
    rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
    a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
    that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
    forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
    the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
    not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
    level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
    for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.

    You instruct 'seniors' ?

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 11:22:53 2022
    On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now.-a When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo.-a Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
    word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.


    Sounds like backtracking to me.

    What a word "literally" means does not change.

    What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does change with context.

    My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 14:25:57 2022
    On 2022-02-09 2:21 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 10/02/2022 6:18 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now.-a When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo.-a Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top
    rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you see; it's
    a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to get is
    that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other
    forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing" against
    the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the rules they are
    not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the rules for the
    level of safety equipment are different than they are for those used
    for the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.

    You instruct 'seniors' ?

    Sometimes... EfyA
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 14:26:14 2022
    On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for
    now.-a When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began
    in Monte Carlo.-a Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a
    word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts.


    Sounds like backtracking to me.

    What a word "literally" means does not change.

    What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes around
    "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context) does
    change with context.

    My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.

    Then don't read it.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 14:32:54 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Then don't read it.

    fuck you
    you piece of shit
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 11:33:17 2022
    On 10/02/2022 11:26 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for >>>>>>>>>>>>> now.-a When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began >>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.-a Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes.


    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a >>>>>>> word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts. >>>>>

    Sounds like backtracking to me.

    What a word "literally" means does not change.

    What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes
    around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context)
    does change with context.

    My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.

    Then don't read it.


    Sorry to have to explain this, but the comment is a parody on the common misuse of words. I thought it may have been obvious.

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 14:33:52 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:26:01 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Sometimes...

    go fuck yourself asshole
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 14:35:00 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:33:25 PM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    Sorry to have to explain this

    sorry is for pussys
    you fucking pussy
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 14:38:35 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:26:17 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Then don't read it.

    you fucking useless trolling cunt
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 14:51:51 2022
    On 2022-02-09 2:33 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 10/02/2022 11:26 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 2:22 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 10/02/2022 10:44 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-02-09 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:21 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 12:00 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the effect of the of the various rule changes for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now.-a When the new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season began >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Monte Carlo.-a Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC. >>>>>>>>>>>>
    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one thing >>>>>>>>>>>> rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?


    Nope.

    The "race" against the clock.

    Yet another thing you clearly don't know; how to use quotes. >>>>>>>>>

    Nope. I used them to indicate and non-literal interpretation of a >>>>>>>> word is being used.


    Yet it is not and you won't find anyone agreeing with you.

    A race is a contest of speed.

    Words have subtly different meanings when used in different contexts. >>>>>>

    Sounds like backtracking to me.

    What a word "literally" means does not change.

    What a word literally means (notice that I don't use the quotes
    around "literally" because they're not appropriate in this context)
    does change with context.

    My head is literally going to explode with this tiresome thread.

    Then don't read it.


    Sorry to have to explain this, but the comment is a parody on the common misuse of words. I thought it may have been obvious.

    Ah...

    Yes, in hindsight, it was right there in the open, wasn't it?

    Efnu
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 15:39:29 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Ah...

    wft? fuck off asshole
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 16:41:55 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Ah...

    is that the sound you make during anal sex?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 18:38:01 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 5:41:57 PM UTC-7, texas gate wrote:

    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Ah...

    is that the sound you make during anal sex?

    gay anal sex of course
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 9 18:44:39 2022
    On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 3:51:54 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Yes, in hindsight, it was right there in the open, wasn't it?

    you fucking faggot
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 13:04:07 2022
    geoff wrote:

    On 10/02/2022 2:57 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-08 12:45 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts
    on the effect of the
    of the various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is paused
    for now. When the new season starts I'll be
    looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo.
    Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the one
    thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is
    what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.

    Right. That's actual racing where motorsports are concerned.

    EfyA


    In the interests of pedantry here are a couple of definitions of rCLracerCY:

    rCLRACE (noun): a competition between runners, horses, vehicles,
    etc. to see which is the fastest in covering a set course.rCY No requirement for them to do it simultaneously.

    rCLRACE (verb intr.): compete with another or others to see who is
    fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.rCY


    I have a great idea for F1. Would solve the problem of cars impeding
    each other (etc).

    Race the one at a time against the clock.

    geoff

    They tried that once... it wasn't "a great idea", sorry.

    :-)

    --
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 13:06:58 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
    fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you
    thoughts on the effect of the of the various
    rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the new season starts
    I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
    season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
    cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
    WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the
    one thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
    etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you
    see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
    get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
    other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
    against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact,
    the rules for the level of safety equipment are different
    than they are for those used for the very same cars if they
    are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
    racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
    provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
    actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    Yes or no?

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    Irving S
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 11:34:50 2022
    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5,
    fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you
    thoughts on the effect of the of the various
    rule changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the new season starts
    I'll be looking forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
    season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
    cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all in the
    WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but the
    one thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top
    rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each other
    car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
    etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes you
    see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
    get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and
    other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are "racing"
    against the clock. Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And because of that fact,
    the rules for the level of safety equipment are different
    than they are for those used for the very same cars if they
    are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
    racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
    provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
    actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not
    "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
    rules differentiate between racing and time attack.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...

    ...but I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend for
    the the last 10 years. And all one has to do is look inside a time
    attack car on pregrid to see that it doesn't have to have a full roll cage.


    Yes or no?

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 11:55:51 2022
    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
    provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.
    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules for
    actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.
    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    Found it:

    'To qualify as eligible to participate in a Time Attack event, each
    vehicle must comply with the following minimum requirements:

    i. It must have four road wheels, not in a line, a minimum of two of
    which must be driven.

    ii. It must have a braking system that works on all four wheels simultaneously.

    iii. It must have a structure and bodywork that surrounds and protects
    the driver, at least to his waist level when seated in his normal
    driving position.'

    <https://www.caccautosport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2021-CACC-Time-Attack-Regulations.pdf>

    Now: do you accept that that is very different than rules for a road car
    which has been prepared to be legal for actual road RACING?

    Yes or no.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 10 16:08:40 2022
    On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 12:34:53 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend for
    the the last 10 years.

    and your head punched in 10 times
    thats why you are so fucking stupid now
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 13 19:15:42 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
    UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the
    various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the new season
    starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
    season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
    cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all
    in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
    the one thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the
    top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested
    in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
    other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
    weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
    you see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
    get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
    and other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
    "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
    wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
    because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
    equipment are different than they are for those used for
    the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
    race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
    racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
    provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
    for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
    rules differentiate between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one common
    to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some rules
    that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word
    "race".


    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 13 19:20:11 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
    UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you thoughts on the effect of the of the
    various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the new season
    starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
    season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
    cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all
    in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
    the one thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the
    top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested
    in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
    other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
    weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
    you see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
    get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
    and other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
    "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
    wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
    because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
    equipment are different than they are for those used for
    the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
    race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
    racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
    provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
    for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
    rules differentiate between racing and time attack.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...

    ...but I've been at the track for pretty much every racing weekend
    for the the last 10 years. And all one has to do is look inside a
    time attack car on pregrid to see that it doesn't have to have a full
    roll cage.


    Yes or no?


    Don't say I never helped you:


    literal
    /-el+-t(+O)r(+O)l/
    Learn to pronounce
    adjective
    1.
    taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or exaggeration.
    "dreadful in its literal sense, full of dread"
    2.
    (of a translation) representing the exact words of the original text.
    "a literal translation from the Spanish"

    --
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    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 13 16:31:45 2022
    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
    UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but you
    thoughts on the effect of the of the
    various rule changes for the 2022 F1
    season.

    The best four wheel racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the new season
    starts I'll be looking forward to more of
    the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the 2022
    season began in Monte Carlo. Also using new
    cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at all
    in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying it--but
    the one thing rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the
    top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested
    in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
    other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
    weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many passes
    you see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never seem to
    get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing
    and other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
    "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
    wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
    because of that fact, the rules for the level of safety
    equipment are different than they are for those used for
    the very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
    race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are for
    racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
    provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the rules
    for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not
    "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the safety
    rules differentiate between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one common
    to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some rules
    that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word "race".


    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
    relevant citation.

    Not surprised!
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 13 16:33:14 2022
    On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
    relevant citation.

    Not surprised!

    you stupid cunt
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 13 16:37:29 2022
    On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Not surprised!

    you were not surprised
    you never got your head punched in
    at your last visit to the track
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 13 16:42:28 2022
    On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    you fail to respond to my additional reply

    you fag fuck pussy queer
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 13 16:51:02 2022
    On Sunday, February 13, 2022 at 5:31:48 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    And you fail to respond to my additional reply

    oh poor fucking you
    get over it
    you dumb cunt
    you have no credibility here
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 16 11:15:45 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
    UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but
    you thoughts on the effect of the
    of the various rule changes for the
    2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the
    world is paused for now. When the
    new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the
    2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also
    using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at
    all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying
    it--but the one thing rally cars never do
    is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for
    position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC
    surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets
    the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
    other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
    weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
    passes you see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
    seem to get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
    racing and other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
    "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
    wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE.
    And because of that fact, the rules for the level of
    safety equipment are different than they are for
    those used for the very same cars if they are
    competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are
    for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the
    rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or
    not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the
    safety rules differentiate between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
    common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
    rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
    word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
    relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    I have been quite clear all along.

    I was hoping you would show the slightest intelligence and realise how
    fucking retarded you sound claiming that the literal meaning of
    something is hidden in some unknown motorsport regulation that you had difficulty tracking down.

    I didn't need to look at it to check the veracity of your claim, right
    or wrong, as their irrelevance is proven.

    You are so scared to admit you were being a pompous arsehole, trying to
    be a clever dick and failed miserably.


    Not surprised!



    --
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    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 16 03:41:35 2022
    On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at 5:28:17 PM
    UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order but
    you thoughts on the effect of the
    of the various rule changes for the
    2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the
    world is paused for now. When the
    new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and the
    2022 season began in Monte Carlo. Also
    using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing" at
    all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying
    it--but the one thing rally cars never do
    is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for
    position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC
    surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets
    the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are
    interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against each
    other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting,
    weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
    passes you see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
    seem to get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
    racing and other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack are
    "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in your class
    wins. But by the rules they are not allowed to RACE.
    And because of that fact, the rules for the level of
    safety equipment are different than they are for
    those used for the very same cars if they are
    competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules are
    for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can you NOT
    provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know the
    rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or
    not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports terms that the
    safety rules differentiate between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
    common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
    rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
    word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
    relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    You did not respond to the post I made that included the very sources
    you asked for.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Feb 16 12:05:49 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
    5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ
    wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order
    but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various rule
    changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the
    world is paused for now. When the
    new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and
    the 2022 season began in Monte
    Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing"
    at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying
    it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY
    gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they
    are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against
    each other car-to-car with overtaking,
    draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
    passes you see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
    seem to get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
    racing and other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack
    are "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in
    your class wins. But by the rules they are not
    allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
    rules for the level of safety equipment are
    different than they are for those used for the
    very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
    race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules
    are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
    you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
    assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know
    the rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
    deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
    whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports
    terms that the safety rules differentiate between racing and
    time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
    common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
    rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
    words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of
    the word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
    relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    You did not respond to the post I made that included the very sources
    you asked for.

    I responded above, in this branch.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Felicity
    George R
    Irving S
    Texasgate
    Enjoy!
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    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 15:47:44 2022
    On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
    5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m., XYXPDQ
    wrote:
    Not looking for finishing order
    but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various rule
    changes for the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in the
    world is paused for now. When the
    new season starts I'll be looking
    forward to more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC and
    the 2022 season began in Monte
    Carlo. Also using new cars.

    There is quite literally no "racing"
    at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not denying
    it--but the one thing rally cars
    never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete for
    position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the WRC
    surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY
    gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they
    are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct against
    each other car-to-car with overtaking,
    draughting, weaving, dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how many
    passes you see; it's a race against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you never
    seem to get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between
    racing and other forms for reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time attack
    are "racing" against the clock. Fastest lap in
    your class wins. But by the rules they are not
    allowed to RACE. And because of that fact, the
    rules for the level of safety equipment are
    different than they are for those used for the
    very same cars if they are competing in an ACTUAL
    race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the rules
    are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
    you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
    assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't know
    the rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
    deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
    whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in motorsports
    terms that the safety rules differentiate between racing and
    time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is one
    common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of some
    rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
    words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of
    the word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found the
    relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    You did not respond to the post I made that included the very sources
    you asked for.

    I responded above, in this branch.


    You're not just a liar..

    ...you're a bad liar.

    <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>

    That's the message ID.

    If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on that,
    then show me the message ID of your reply.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Feb 17 19:33:49 2022
    On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:47:47 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    You're not just a liar..

    ...you're a bad liar.

    <su3qk8$10g3$1...@gioia.aioe.org>

    That's the message ID.

    If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on that,
    then show me the message ID of your reply.

    get help ffs
    and they let you on the track?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Feb 18 10:18:17 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
    wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
    5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
    XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing
    order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the
    various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in
    the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts
    I'll be looking forward to
    more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC
    and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new
    cars.

    There is quite literally no
    "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not
    denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete
    for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the
    WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best
    rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct
    against each other car-to-car with
    overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
    etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how
    many passes you see; it's a race against
    the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you
    never seem to get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate
    between racing and other forms for reasons of
    safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time
    attack are "racing" against the clock.
    Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
    because of that fact, the rules for the level
    of safety equipment are different than they
    are for those used for the very same cars if
    they are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the
    rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
    you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
    know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
    whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
    motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
    between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is
    one common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of
    some rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
    words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that
    has no relevance to your claimed correction of another
    poster use of the word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found
    the relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
    sources you asked for.

    I responded above, in this branch.


    You're not just a liar..

    ...you're a bad liar.

    <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>

    That's the message ID.

    If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
    that, then show me the message ID of your reply.

    Showing your dishonesty yet again.

    "The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word
    "race"."
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Feb 20 21:15:05 2022
    On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
    wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022 at
    5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
    XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for finishing
    order but you thoughts on
    the effect of the of the
    various rule changes for
    the 2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel racing in
    the world is paused for now.
    When the new season starts
    I'll be looking forward to
    more of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is WRC
    and the 2022 season began in
    Monte Carlo. Also using new
    cars.

    There is quite literally no
    "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not
    denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars compete
    for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in the
    WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best
    rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is what they are interested in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct
    against each other car-to-car with
    overtaking, draughting, weaving, dodging,
    etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me how
    many passes you see; it's a race against
    the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what you
    never seem to get is that context matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate
    between racing and other forms for reasons of
    safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time
    attack are "racing" against the clock.
    Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
    because of that fact, the rules for the level
    of safety equipment are different than they
    are for those used for the very same cars if
    they are competing in an ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight. Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the
    rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you or can
    you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal
    assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
    know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
    deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
    whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
    motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
    between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning is
    one common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion of
    some rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any
    words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that
    has no relevance to your claimed correction of another
    poster use of the word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I found
    the relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
    sources you asked for.

    I responded above, in this branch.


    You're not just a liar..

    ...you're a bad liar.

    <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>

    That's the message ID.

    If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
    that, then show me the message ID of your reply.

    Showing your dishonesty yet again.

    "The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the word "race"."


    They were precisely the sources you claimed I couldn't show.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 21 11:59:37 2022
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim
    wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
    wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022
    at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
    XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for
    finishing order but you thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various
    rule changes for the
    2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel
    racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the
    new season starts I'll be
    looking forward to more
    of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is
    WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo. Also
    using new cars.

    There is quite literally no
    "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not
    denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars
    compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in
    the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY, which is what they are interested
    in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct
    against each other car-to-car with overtaking, draughting, weaving,
    dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me
    how many passes you see; it's a race
    against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what
    you never seem to get is that context
    matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate between racing and other forms for
    reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time
    attack are "racing" against the clock.
    Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
    because of that fact, the rules for the
    level of safety equipment are different
    than they are for those used for the very
    same cars if they are competing in an
    ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight.
    Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the
    rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you
    or can you NOT provide a cite to support your non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
    know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
    motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
    between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning
    is one common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion
    of some rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are
    irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of
    any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but
    that has no relevance to your claimed correction of
    another poster use of the word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I
    found the relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
    sources you asked for.

    I responded above, in this branch.


    You're not just a liar..

    ...you're a bad liar.

    <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>

    That's the message ID.

    If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
    that, then show me the message ID of your reply.

    Showing your dishonesty yet again.

    "The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
    word "race"."


    They were precisely the sources you claimed I couldn't show.

    ...and what they proved was how irrelevant they are as described above.

    I didn't even need to read the text the source was enough to confirm
    that I was right and reaffirm your ignorance.

    Now I have looked it's even more clear that they have no relevance
    whatsoever to the "literal" definition of a race. It looks very much
    like you were fabricating again.

    If you had any balls you'd simply apologise and fuck off or slink away
    like the weasel you are.

    Other than that there is clearly nothing more to say.

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Feb 21 10:29:06 2022
    On 2022-02-21 3:59 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-18 2:18 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 4:05 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-16 3:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-13 11:15 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-10 5:06 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 11:37 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-09 3:30 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2022-02-08 1:20 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    geoff wrote:

    On 9/02/2022 2:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/02/2022 9:00 pm, Sir Tim
    wrote:
    Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
    On 2022-02-07 2:22 p.m., Jimbo
    wrote:
    On Sunday, January 9, 2022
    at 5:28:17 PM UTC-5, fnot
    wrote:
    On 2022-01-09 1:47 p.m.,
    XYXPDQ wrote:
    Not looking for
    finishing order but you
    thoughts on the effect
    of the of the various
    rule changes for the
    2022 F1 season.

    The best four wheel
    racing in the world is
    paused for now. When the
    new season starts I'll be
    looking forward to more
    of the same.

    Best four wheel racing is
    WRC and the 2022 season
    began in Monte Carlo. Also
    using new cars.

    There is quite literally no
    "racing" at all in the WRC.

    None.

    It is very cool--there's not
    denying it--but the one thing
    rally cars never do is race.

    Racing happens when cars
    compete for position.


    Cars rCLcompete for positionrCY in
    the WRC surely?



    No, they compete for 'time'.

    And the car that achieves the best
    rCLtimerCY gets the top rCLpositionrCY,
    which is what they are interested
    in.


    As opposed to on-track racing, direct
    against each other car-to-car with
    overtaking, draughting, weaving,
    dodging, etc.


    Yes, it's a different form of racing.

    Watch the bobsleigh races and tell me
    how many passes you see; it's a race
    against the clock.


    Sorry, but this is motorsports, and what
    you never seem to get is that context
    matters.


    In a motorsports context, we differentiate
    between racing and other forms for
    reasons of safety.

    Cars that come out to the track for time
    attack are "racing" against the clock.
    Fastest lap in your class wins. But by the
    rules they are not allowed to RACE. And
    because of that fact, the rules for the
    level of safety equipment are different
    than they are for those used for the very
    same cars if they are competing in an
    ACTUAL race.

    We all know your words carry no weight.
    Cite?

    Do you actually believe I don't know what the
    rules are for racing?

    I'm a certified senior instructor.


    The claims of an habitual liar aside, can you
    or can you NOT provide a cite to support your
    non-literal assertion.

    Are you actually claiming that you believe I don't
    know the rules for actual racing vs time attack?

    Yes or no.

    No, it is not pertinent or under discussion. Why are
    deflecting?

    So you don't believe it's pertinent to a discussion of
    whether or not "racing" has a special meaning in
    motorsports terms that the safety rules differentiate
    between racing and time attack.


    No.

    This is a usenet discussion. The only pertinent meaning
    is one common to the context.


    Is it because you cannot provide a cite?

    I can't find the rules cite at the moment...


    LOL.

    I am not shocked. You can't even support your assertion
    of some rules that are not common reference.

    The rules you may or may not be referring to are
    irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of
    any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but
    that has no relevance to your claimed correction of
    another poster use of the word "race".


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    READ THIS AGAIN AND TRY TO COMPREHEND.



    Yes or no?


    A resounding NO!

    Not Surprised!


    And you fail to respond to my additional reply where I
    found the relevant citation.


    I did respond.

    You did not respond to the post I made that included the very
    sources you asked for.

    I responded above, in this branch.


    You're not just a liar..

    ...you're a bad liar.

    <su3qk8$10g3$1@gioia.aioe.org>

    That's the message ID.

    If you're bright enough to figure out how to find a post based on
    that, then show me the message ID of your reply.

    Showing your dishonesty yet again.

    "The rules you may or may not be referring to are irrelevant.

    They are not the reference for the "literal" meaning of any words.

    The may or may not contain their own definitions but that has no
    relevance to your claimed correction of another poster use of the
    word "race"."


    They were precisely the sources you claimed I couldn't show.

    ...and what they proved was how irrelevant they are as described above.

    You also claimed that you had responded to the post where I provided them.

    You lied.
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