On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap
to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed
towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when -a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong-dir ection-mph
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down
this path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it
some instability on entry and eventually you come to a point
where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
It also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.rCY
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something
I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to the
second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a fairly
long post. My point was that the car was being built and set up
around Max, and his driving style is somewhat unorthodox.
That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went on
to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon similarly proves
himself worthy of a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump
forwards).
I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes, making
Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped into Lewis'
(very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.
Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he
likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...
On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the
gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is
developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-wrong
-dir ection-mph
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was
taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked
and which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further
down this path his lap times would improve. But it brought
with it some instability on entry and eventually you come to
a point where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go
any faster. It also made the car very difficult for the
other drivers.rCY
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms something
I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to
the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a while back in a
fairly long post. My point was that the car was being built
and set up around Max, and his driving style is somewhat
unorthodox.
That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly went
on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat (or that Williams take a big jump forwards).
I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes,
making Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped
into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.
Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast because he
likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...
1. we are talking development not just setup.
We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.
From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what matters,
not whether it got them through development or setup.
2. you are saying Lewis's setup preferences may not be as
individualised as Max's... which is kind of what the OP was about.
No. I'm saying that Hamilton's preferences may be ever bit as
individualize as Verstappen's.
It always seems that you are in such a rush to be contrary that you
rarely take a moment to actually consider anything.
Sorry. Wrong again.
On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap to
Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed
towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged
sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down this
path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it some
instability on entry and eventually you come to a point where that
is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made
the car very difficult for the other drivers.rCY
Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?
On 2022-01-10 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing
the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a
car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/when
-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-the-w
rong -dir ection-mph
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull
was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
went further down this path his lap times would improve.
But it brought with it some instability on entry and
eventually you come to a point where that is the limiting
factor and you cannot go any faster. It also made the
car very difficult for the other drivers.rCY
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms
something I've thought for a while. It's essentially why I referred to the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned chalice' a
while back in a fairly long post. My point was that the
car was being built and set up around Max, and his driving
style is somewhat unorthodox.
That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet Gasly
went on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that Albon
similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat (or that
Williams take a big jump forwards).
I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at Mercedes,
making Bottas look worse than he was - until George jumped
into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and blitzed everyone else.
Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast
because he likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...
1. we are talking development not just setup.
We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.
Yup.
matters,From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what
not whether it got them through development or setup.
Wrong. Any driver can influence the setup of their car but only
within the bounds of it's development.
Yes? So?
You've simply misinterpreted what I meant and to be fair, I should
have written it as "set up". I was using it in the generic sense of
how the car is designed and then developed to be; what handling characteristics it has.
On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the gap
to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is
developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a
double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill
masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was
taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked and
which allowed him to go faster and so as we went further down
this path his lap times would improve. But it brought with it
some instability on entry and eventually you come to a point
where that is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
It also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.rCY
Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?
LOL,
...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word limit
for any article?
Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the first
time.
On 2022-01-11 2:29 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-10 5:48 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-09 9:16 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-08 4:42 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 8/01/2022 11:15 pm, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many
times when a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
-a-talent-like-max-verstappen-sends-f1-car-design-in-t
he-w rong -dir ection-mph
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be
a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the
Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path
that Red Bull was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
went further down this path his lap times would
improve. But it brought with it some instability on
entry and eventually you come to a point where that
is the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster.
It also made the car very difficult for the other
drivers.rCY
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, it confirms
something I've thought for a while. It's essentially
why I referred to the second RBR seat as a 'poisoned
chalice' a while back in a fairly long post. My point
was that the car was being built and set up around Max,
and his driving style is somewhat unorthodox.
That's why Gasly and Albon did so poorly at RBR (yet
Gasly went on to do so well elsewhere). I hope that
Albon similarly proves himself worthy of a good seat
(or that Williams take a big jump forwards).
I did wonder if a similar thing was happening at
Mercedes, making Bottas look worse than he was - until
George jumped into Lewis' (very cramped) seat and
blitzed everyone else.
Except you assume that Russell couldn't have been fast
because he likes a car setup the way Hamilton does...
1. we are talking development not just setup.
We're talking about whether or not a car suits a driver.
Yup.
matters,From a driver's perspective a car's characteristics are what
not whether it got them through development or setup.
Wrong. Any driver can influence the setup of their car but only
within the bounds of it's development.
Yes? So?
You've simply misinterpreted what I meant and to be fair, I should
have written it as "set up". I was using it in the generic sense
of how the car is designed and then developed to be; what handling characteristics it has.
LOL
Are you doing a self parody or do you really not realise you are
arguing against yourself.
You won't even put your hands up to having misspoke; you now want to redefine the language.
Laughable.
I notice you've clipped the substance of the post.
Got it.
On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing the
gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen] liked
and which allowed him to go faster and so as we went
further down this path his lap times would improve. But it
brought with it some instability on entry and eventually
you come to a point where that is the limiting factor and
you cannot go any faster. It also made the car very
difficult for the other drivers.rCY
Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?
LOL,
...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word
limit for any article?
Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the first
time.
I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure you
do too, now you've had some time.
...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive
abilities.
A small test.
Does the article imply that
a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was developed, or
b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the car was developed?
The answer is clear but can you see it?
...and how did it influence the WCC?
Ask if you need help.
Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can figure it out.
On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble closing
the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many times when
a car is developed towards the #1 drivers style/skills.
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's
skill masked the dead-end development path that Red
Bull was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max [Verstappen]
liked and which allowed him to go faster and so as we
went further down this path his lap times would
improve. But it brought with it some instability on
entry and eventually you come to a point where that is
the limiting factor and you cannot go any faster. It
also made the car very difficult for the other drivers.rCY
Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the WDC?
LOL,
...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your word
limit for any article?
Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you the
first time.
I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty sure
you do too, now you've had some time.
...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive
abilities.
A small test.
Does the article imply that
a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was
developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the
car was developed?
The answer is clear but can you see it?
...and how did it influence the WCC?
Ask if you need help.
Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can figure it
out.
I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just confirmed
it.
:-D
Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.
On 1/12/2022 5:56 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it many
times when a car is developed towards the #1
drivers style/skills.
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen can
be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020 when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development
path that Red Bull was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max
[Verstappen] liked and which allowed him to go
faster and so as we went further down this path his
lap times would improve. But it brought with it
some instability on entry and eventually you come
to a point where that is the limiting factor and
you cannot go any faster. It also made the car
very difficult for the other drivers.rCY
Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the
WDC?
LOL,
...was it that far over your head or was it beyond your
word limit for any article?
Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did you
the first time.
I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I pretty
sure you do too, now you've had some time.
...or do you maintain the article was beyond your cognitive abilities.
A small test.
Does the article imply that
a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was
developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the way the
car was developed?
The answer is clear but can you see it?
...and how did it influence the WCC?
Ask if you need help.
Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can
figure it out.
I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just
confirmed it.
:-D
Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.
Keep running dickless.
Take the blue pill, fluffer. Still won't work?
On 1/13/2022 3:54 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/12/2022 5:56 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/12/2022 3:50 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/11/2022 5:36 AM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/10/2022 3:33 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/8/2022 5:15 AM, Bigbird wrote:
Explains a little why Perez had so much trouble
closing the gap to Max. I think we've seen it
many times when a car is developed towards the
#1 drivers style/skills.
"Having a top-level driver like Max Verstappen
can be a double-edged sword, such as in 2020
when the Dutchman's skill masked the dead-end development path that Red Bull was taking..."
" The car had a characteristic which Max
[Verstappen] liked and which allowed him to go
faster and so as we went further down this path
his lap times would improve. But it brought
with it some instability on entry and
eventually you come to a point where that is
the limiting factor and you cannot go any
faster. It also made the car very difficult
for the other drivers.rCY
Was it the wrong direction when the driver won the
WDC?
LOL,
...was it that far over your head or was it beyond
your word limit for any article?
Lol-wut, indeed. Of course you don't get it. Nor did
you the first time.
I totally get how fucking stupid your comment is; I
pretty sure you do too, now you've had some time.
...or do you maintain the article was beyond your
cognitive abilities.
A small test.
Does the article imply that
a) Max scraped the WDC because of the way the car was developed, or b) Max lucked into the WDC despite the
way the car was developed?
The answer is clear but can you see it?
...and how did it influence the WCC?
Ask if you need help.
Fine tune your reading comprehension and see if you can
figure it out.
I figured out that you are clueless... and you have just
confirmed it.
:-D
Keep satisfying yourself. Change hands now and then.
Keep running dickless.
Take the blue pill, fluffer. Still won't work?
You could only wish to have a reason to "take the blue pill" but
I'm am unsurprised not being able to get it up is the first thing
on your mind...
...you kind of gave the whole game away there, dickless.
Yes, you did.
Sound of sad trombone...
On 1/13/2022 4:20 PM, Bigbird wrote:
Yet another flaccid response...
...and "name of your sex tape".
:-)
<yawn>
On 1/14/2022 3:14 PM, Bigbird wrote:
News wrote:
On 1/13/2022 4:20 PM, Bigbird wrote:
Yet another flaccid response...
...and "name of your sex tape".
:-)
<yawn>
Goto line 1
Same result; <yawn>
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