What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 season?
On 12/25/2021 12:55, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 season?Even though they had little to no budget to speak of, I was disappointed with HAAS. Even at the back of the grid, there should be some signs of improvement over the course of a season.
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What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 season?For teams it's between Ferrari and Alpine. Ferrari still hasn't recovered from having their engine DQ. And what is Apine (aka Renault) doing? They run around with the mid pack customer teams even though they build the power unit, build the car and have decent drivers. Once again the award for disappointing team goes to Ferrari because, well, it's Ferrari. Maybe to 2022 rule changes will give a spark to one or both.
On 12/25/2021 12:55, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
Even though they had little to no budget to speak of, I was
disappointed with HAAS. Even at the back of the grid, there should
be some signs of improvement over the course of a season.
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For teams it's between Ferrari and Alpine. Ferrari still hasn't
recovered from having their engine DQ. And what is Apine (aka
Renault) doing? They run around with the mid pack customer teams
even though they build the power unit, build the car and have decent
drivers. Once again the award for disappointing team goes to
Ferrari because, well, it's Ferrari.
On 12/25/2021 2:45 PM, Hornplayer9599 wrote:
On 12/25/2021 12:55, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed-a for the 2021 F1
season?
Even though they had little to no budget to speak of, I was
disappointed with HAAS.-a Even at the back of the grid, there should
be some signs of improvement over the course of a season.
Haas announced before the season started that they would forego
development of the 2021 car in order to concentrate limited resources on 2022.-a As a result one should have expected the performance profile, and not been disappointed.
On 12/26/2021 18:18, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 12/25/2021 2:45 PM, Hornplayer9599 wrote:
On 12/25/2021 12:55, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed-a for the 2021 F1
season?
Even though they had little to no budget to speak of, I was
disappointed with HAAS.-a Even at the back of the grid, there should
be some signs of improvement over the course of a season.
Haas announced before the season started that they would forego
development of the 2021 car in order to concentrate limited resources
on 2022.-a As a result one should have expected the performance
profile, and not been disappointed.
That's true...but at the same time while the car wasn't being developed, there should have been some kind of improvement, however small, because
the two drivers were maturing as the season progressed.
Racing Point / Alfa Romeo
fell from should-have-been-3rd to 7th, with fewer than half the penalty-adjusted 2020 point total. Clearly the "winner."
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 season?Bottas+Ricciardo / Haas+Alfa Romeo
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 season?For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez. How can it be between the number three and number four in the points? The number two driver has a couple jobs; of course to score as many points as available, but also to support the lead driver with pit strategy.
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >strong point in the past.
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson ><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >>strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, REikk%nen.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
stubble he's Mr Safety First.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson >><mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>>disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front, >>>and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >>>strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his >>chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good >>diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, REikk%nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
stubble he's Mr Safety First.
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
Please.
Please.
Please.
but he's certainly
among the very best.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
a bunch
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit
of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso,
R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit
of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the
2021 F1 season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near
the front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased for
him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly second
division, nowhere near the same league as divers like
Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a
bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
certainly among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
...and he was 2nd last year...
...and in 2019.
So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.
And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to
try to pass Hamilton.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the
2021 F1 season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near
the front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased for
him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big
disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly second
division, nowhere near the same league as divers like
Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a
bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
certainly among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
Lol.
...and he was 2nd last year...
...and in 2019.
So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.
And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to
try to pass Hamilton.
On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the
2021 F1 season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
they canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous
years, so hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
near the front, and making his way forward through
traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
certainly among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
I've been (correctly) pointing out
So I'm pretty sure
And I'm also pretty sure
And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to try
to pass Hamilton.
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the
2021 F1 season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
they canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous
years, so hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
near the front, and making his way forward through
traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
certainly among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
than 226?
I'll ask you a question in return:
I'll ask you a question in return:
How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
this year?
On Thursday, December 30, 2021 at 4:57:19 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
this year?
that doesnt make sense
you brain dead, trolling,
piece of shit
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso,
R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer.-a Even when he grows a bit
of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
...and he was 2nd last year...
...and in 2019.
So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.
And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to try
to pass Hamilton.
On 2021-12-30 1:43 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the
2021 F1 season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
they canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous
years, so hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
near the front, and making his way forward through
traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer.-a Even when he
grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
certainly among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
than 226?
I'll ask you a question in return:
How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
this year?
On 2021-12-30 1:43 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM
UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for
the 2021 F1 season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree
as they canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous
years, so hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can
qualify near the front, and making his way forward
through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong
point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never
got the chance to really show his true ability so I
was pleased for him when he got his chance with
Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a
good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near
the same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen,
Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
than 226?
I'll ask you a question in return:
How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
this year?
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ
wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they
canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so
hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the
front, and making his way forward through traffic hasn't
revealed itself as a strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance
to really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he
got his chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment;
he is a good diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the
same league as divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso,
REikk%nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit
of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
...and he was 2nd last year...
...and in 2019.
So I'm pretty sure he's passed more than a few people.
And I'm also pretty sure there were times when he wasn't allowed to try
to pass Hamilton.
On 2021-12-30 1:43 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 10:44 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-30 2:00 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
Alan wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8,
XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the
2021 F1 season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as
they canned him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous
years, so hardly a disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new
ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify
near the front, and making his way forward through
traffic hasn't revealed itself as a strong point in the
past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the
chance to really show his true ability so I was pleased
for him when he got his chance with Mercedes. He turned
out a big disappointment; he is a good diver but clearly
second division, nowhere near the same league as divers
like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, REikk%nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he
grows a bit of stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's
certainly among the very best.
Indeed, among them but rarely able to pass them.
He's had a worse 2021, that's true...
...but somehow he still finished 3rd in the WDC...
As you have been bleating about constantly... it's the car.
No. I've been (correctly) pointing out that it's MOSTLY the car.
So, of Hamilton+'s 387.5 points, how many are the car? More or less
than 226?
I'll ask you a question in return:
How many of his points do you think he'd have had driving a Williams
this year?
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a
disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front, >>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >>>> strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote: >>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned
him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>>>> disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front, >>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >>>>> strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to
really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his
chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good >>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote: >>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned >>>>>> him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>>>> disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front, >>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >>>>> strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to >>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his >>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good >>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as
divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of
stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote: >>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1
season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned >>>>>>>> him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>>>>>> disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front, >>>>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >>>>>>> strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to >>>>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his >>>>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good >>>>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as >>>>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of >>>>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.
On 2022-01-02 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote: >>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 >>>>>>>>>> season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned >>>>>>>>> him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>>>>>>> disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front, >>>>>>>> and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a >>>>>>>> strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to >>>>>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his >>>>>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good >>>>>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as >>>>>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, REikk%nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of >>>>>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly
among the very best.
You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.
I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't >require him to finish second.
I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't require him to finish second.
I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't require him to finish second.
racing
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 season?
On 26/12/2021 7:55 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 season?
BAK
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:54:48 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-01-02 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 >>>>>>>>>>> season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned >>>>>>>>>> him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>>>>>>>> disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to >>>>>>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his >>>>>>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good >>>>>>>> diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as >>>>>>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, R|nikk||nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of >>>>>>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly >>>>>> among the very best.
You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.
I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't
require him to finish second.
I've asked you already to examples to back up your claim that there
were times when he wasn't allowed to try to pass Hamilton. Good job I
didn't try to hold my breath while waiting.
snatch
You honestly think there weren't?
How naive.
How naive.
You honestly think
On 2022-01-02 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.
I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders
won't require him to finish second.
On 2022-01-02 2:44 p.m., Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 2 Jan 2022 13:54:48 -0800, Alan <nope@nope.com> wrote:
On 2022-01-02 10:52 a.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 1:50:50 PM UTC-8, Alan wrote:
On 2022-01-01 4:22 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:51:21 -0800, Alan <no...@nope.com> wrote:How much do think Bottas WANTS to be at Mercedes?
On 2021-12-28 4:47 a.m., AnthonyL wrote:
On Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:08:56 +0000, Martin Harran
<martin...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:50:15 -0500, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 12/27/2021 2:10 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 at 10:55:19 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> What teams and drivers most under performed for the 2021 F1 >>>>>>>>>>>> season?
For drivers it's between Bottas and Perez.
Have to give it to Bottas, and Merc clearly agree as they canned >>>>>>>>>>> him.
His performance wasn't much changed from previous years, so hardly a >>>>>>>>>> disappointment.
Will be interesting to see what he does in his new ride.
I fear not well - he won't have a car that can qualify near the front,
and making his way forward through traffic hasn't revealed itself as a
strong point in the past.
I had always liked Bottas and thought he had never got the chance to >>>>>>>>> really show his true ability so I was pleased for him when he got his >>>>>>>>> chance with Mercedes. He turned out a big disappointment; he is a good
diver but clearly second division, nowhere near the same league as >>>>>>>>> divers like Hamilton, Verstappen, Vettel, Alonso, REikk%nen.
And Russell I hope.
Bottas is a fast driver but not a racer. Even when he grows a bit of >>>>>>>> stubble he's Mr Safety First.
I'm sorry, but that's just a bunch of nonsense.
Bottas "not a racer"? Please.
He may not be the very best racer on the planet, but he's certainly >>>>>>> among the very best.
You'd best get on to Toto quick before he cements his mistake.
I suspect he's very relieved to be changing teams.
I'm sure he's going to be delighted to be racing where team orders won't >>> require him to finish second.
I've asked you already to examples to back up your claim that there
were times when he wasn't allowed to try to pass Hamilton. Good job I
didn't try to hold my breath while waiting.
You honestly think there weren't?
How naive.
And late stops for soft tires that would snatch the fastest lap point--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
away from Verstappen? What about those?
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