• "a general agreement"

    From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 14 10:13:32 2021
    'In the last couple of years there has been a general agreement with the
    teams that the Race Director should always endeavour to have the race
    ending under green flag conditions, even if only for a lap or two, as at
    Baku earlier this year.'

    <https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.unpicking-the-safety-car-period-that-turned-the-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-on-its.7rTWOXxJ5lpvg38nrCYfM3.html>

    'In this situation, that would have been impossible to achieve if normal sporting regulation protocol was followed. By Lap 56, with two laps to
    go, the scene was close to being cleared. In this situation, lapped cars
    are usually allowed to unlap themselves and the Safety Car then pits at
    the end of the following lap, giving those cars the chance to join the
    back of the pack before the race becomes live. But there wasnrCOt time to
    do that. This would have seen the Safety Car peeling off into the pit
    lane one corner from the chequered flag.'

    I'll find the additional reference if you want (I think it was Chain
    Bear who reported it), but there was apparently a specific agreement
    between the teams and the race director that any safety car period that
    came out near the end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible.
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  • From Mark@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 14 18:35:55 2021
    Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
    'In the last couple of years there has been a general agreement with the teams that the Race Director should always endeavour to have the race
    ending under green flag conditions, even if only for a lap or two, as at Baku earlier this year.'

    <https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.unpicking-the-safety-car-period-that-turned-the-abu-dhabi-grand-prix-on-its.7rTWOXxJ5lpvg38nrCYfM3.html>

    'In this situation, that would have been impossible to achieve if normal sporting regulation protocol was followed. By Lap 56, with two laps to
    go, the scene was close to being cleared. In this situation, lapped cars
    are usually allowed to unlap themselves and the Safety Car then pits at
    the end of the following lap, giving those cars the chance to join the
    back of the pack before the race becomes live. But there wasn?t time to
    do that. This would have seen the Safety Car peeling off into the pit
    lane one corner from the chequered flag.'

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    I'll find the additional reference if you want (I think it was Chain
    Bear who reported it), but there was apparently a specific agreement
    between the teams and the race director that any safety car period that
    came out near the end of the race would be ended as quickly as possible.

    You mean by calling the SC in as quickly as possible and not requiring
    any backmarker to unlap themselves?
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 14 19:31:59 2021
    Alan wrote:

    'In this situation, that would have been impossible to achieve if
    normal sporting regulation protocol was followed.

    That's all that needs to be said.

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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 14 21:15:09 2021
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the
    championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the tyres
    were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping their would be no restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost
    certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday would
    have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to resign)

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 11:14:05 2021
    On 15/12/2021 10:15 am, alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the
    championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the tyres
    were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping their would be no restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost
    certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday would
    have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to resign)


    Agreed. HAM (or VER, or whoever) could have won all races this year, and
    this one would still have been wrong !

    geoff
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 14 14:36:53 2021
    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the
    championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the tyres
    were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping their would be no restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost
    certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday would
    have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to resign)


    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get angry
    at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on that.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 12:46:42 2021
    On 15/12/2021 11:36 am, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the
    championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the tyres
    were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping their would
    be no
    restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost
    certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday would
    have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him the
    championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to resign)


    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get angry
    at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on that.

    And if anybody other than FIA was corrupt and should resign.

    geoff
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  • From Matt Larkin@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 14 22:13:55 2021
    On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 22:36:57 UTC, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the tyres were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping their would be no restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday would have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to resign)

    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get angry
    at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on that.
    So who do you think did? Is there a Board of Liberty sitting in there with
    a marketing "ace" who "runs the numbers" and says "Hey guys, this will run
    well on the socials if you bring in the SC now".

    I don't doubt that Masi is influenced in his approach by the commercial
    rights holders etc; it's an overriding factor for him no doubt.

    But I think you can *absolutely count on* the fact that the decisions taken during the race in those final laps were taken only by the RD with the
    steward and clerk of the course team.

    Thereafter, in the retrospective interpretation of the rules that was applied following Mercs protests, I can buy that there was more direct influence
    from Liberty et al; there was at the very least time for that to happen.

    But during the race? Nah, cloud cookoo land.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 11:04:24 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the
    tyres were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping
    their would be no restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday
    would have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him
    the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to
    resign)


    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get
    angry at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Fuckwit. His job is so many things other than that.
    He is the FIA. It is his job to police the FIA regulations.


    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that.

    Certainly he may have been under pressures generally. If he is being
    strongly influenced in his decision process by Liberty it is all the
    more reason that he should be replaced by someone with more integrity.

    As for claiming he did not make the call without direct interference
    from either other party, while highly unlikely, it would go further to demonstrate why the decision lacked integrity and equity.

    Though it lacks any basis in fact, you have made a, somewhat flaccid,
    case that he is definitely not fit for the job had it any substance.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 16:40:23 2021
    Alan wrote:

    I'll find the additional reference if you want (I think it was Chain
    Bear who reported it), but there was apparently a specific agreement
    between the teams and the race director that any safety car period
    that came out near the end of the race would be ended as quickly as
    possible.

    Go for it. If it says guys, "forget the regs let's go racing" you
    finally have a point.

    Anything short of that and you are just wasting everyone's time again.

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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 19:28:32 2021
    On 2021-12-15 1:13 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 22:36:57 UTC, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the
    championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the tyres >>> were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping their would be no >>> restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost
    certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday would >>> have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him the
    championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to resign)

    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get angry
    at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on that.
    So who do you think did? Is there a Board of Liberty sitting in there with
    a marketing "ace" who "runs the numbers" and says "Hey guys, this will run well on the socials if you bring in the SC now".

    Nope. I think that Liberty talked to the FIA about what they would want
    and that the FIA communicated that to Masi...

    ...before the race ever started.


    I don't doubt that Masi is influenced in his approach by the commercial rights holders etc; it's an overriding factor for him no doubt.

    But I think you can *absolutely count on* the fact that the decisions taken during the race in those final laps were taken only by the RD with the steward and clerk of the course team.

    Following discussions with the FIA and the teams prior to event
    starting, yes.


    Thereafter, in the retrospective interpretation of the rules that was applied following Mercs protests, I can buy that there was more direct influence
    from Liberty et al; there was at the very least time for that to happen.

    But during the race? Nah, cloud cookoo land.

    "Make sure the race doesn't end behind the safety car and if at all
    possible, with Hamilton and Verstappen fighting for the win all the way
    to the end."

    Something like that could have been said immediately after Saudi Arabia.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 19:30:26 2021
    On 2021-12-15 6:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the
    championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator the
    tyres were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were hoping
    their would be no restart & Max would get the win on count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would almost
    certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the FIAsco Sunday
    would have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost him
    the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to
    resign)


    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get
    angry at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Fuckwit. His job is so many things other than that.
    He is the FIA. It is his job to police the FIA regulations.

    So he has no one to who he reports, does he?

    Interesting.



    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count on
    that.

    Certainly he may have been under pressures generally. If he is being
    strongly influenced in his decision process by Liberty it is all the
    more reason that he should be replaced by someone with more integrity.

    You are utterly missing the point.


    As for claiming he did not make the call without direct interference
    from either other party, while highly unlikely, it would go further to demonstrate why the decision lacked integrity and equity.

    I didn't claim there was "direct" interference.

    I believe that he would have been told what his bosses would prefer to
    have happen before it ever actually came up in the race; before the race
    ever started in fact.


    Though it lacks any basis in fact, you have made a, somewhat flaccid,
    case that he is definitely not fit for the job had it any substance.

    And you think they'll hire someone who isn't "flaccid", do you?

    Interesting.
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  • From Alan@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 19:39:00 2021
    On 2021-12-15 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    I'll find the additional reference if you want (I think it was Chain
    Bear who reported it), but there was apparently a specific agreement
    between the teams and the race director that any safety car period
    that came out near the end of the race would be ended as quickly as
    possible.

    Go for it. If it says guys, "forget the regs let's go racing" you
    finally have a point.

    Anything short of that and you are just wasting everyone's time again.


    I was saying I can find the references to the existence of such an
    agreement, specifically made for this race, and that a part of the
    agreement was that any safety car period toward the end of the race
    should end as quickly as possible.

    Unlike you, I don't pretend to know things I don't know, so I'll tell
    you that I don't have access to the text of this agreement.

    'Masi gave evidence to the stewards, saying that the purpose of Article
    48.12 was to remove lapped cars that would interfere with the leaders rCo
    in this case Hamilton and Verstappen.

    He also said that teams had agreed that it was rCLhighly desirable for the race to end in a rCygreenrCO condition (i.e. not under a safety car).rCY'

    <https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/the-safety-car-regulations-that-michael-masi-ignored-to-go-racing-at-the-end-of-abu-dhabi-gp>

    'But Masi decided to give those two cars a 70-second head start on
    Verstappen and Ricciardo. The motivation behind this was to ensure the
    race concluded with a green flag lap, an outcome Masi later said the
    teams had previously agreed was rCLhighly desirablerCY.'

    <https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/14/analysis-the-four-minutes-that-changed-the-destiny-of-the-2021-world-championship/>
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 15 19:38:44 2021
    On Wednesday, December 15, 2021 at 5:30:28 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:

    Interesting.

    Interesting.

    small things amuse small minds
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Dec 16 07:46:10 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-15 6:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator
    the tyres were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were
    hoping their would be no restart & Max would get the win on
    count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would
    almost certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the
    FIAsco Sunday would have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost
    him the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to
    resign)


    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get
    angry at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Fuckwit. His job is so many things other than that.
    He is the FIA. It is his job to police the FIA regulations.

    So he has no one to who he reports, does he?


    How do you come to such an idiotic conclusion?

    Interesting.



    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count
    on that.

    Certainly he may have been under pressures generally. If he is being strongly influenced in his decision process by Liberty it is all the
    more reason that he should be replaced by someone with more
    integrity.

    You are utterly missing the point.

    Sure. Yet you choose not to clarify; maybe because you don't have one.



    As for claiming he did not make the call without direct interference
    from either other party, while highly unlikely, it would go further
    to demonstrate why the decision lacked integrity and equity.

    I didn't claim there was "direct" interference.

    I believe that he would have been told what his bosses would prefer
    to have happen before it ever actually came up in the race; before
    the race ever started in fact.


    Though it lacks any basis in fact, you have made a, somewhat
    flaccid, case that he is definitely not fit for the job had it any substance.

    And you think they'll hire someone who isn't "flaccid", do you?


    You're implying that you think they deliberately would not.

    CW was a stand up man.

    Interesting.

    You are continually finding your own flaccid inferences interesting.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Dec 16 10:12:11 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-15 11:40 a.m., Bigbird wrote:
    Alan wrote:

    I'll find the additional reference if you want (I think it was
    Chain Bear who reported it), but there was apparently a specific agreement between the teams and the race director that any safety
    car period that came out near the end of the race would be ended
    as quickly as possible.

    Go for it. If it says guys, "forget the regs let's go racing" you
    finally have a point.

    Anything short of that and you are just wasting everyone's time
    again.


    I was saying I can find the references to the existence of such an
    agreement, specifically made for this race, and that a part of the
    agreement was that any safety car period toward the end of the race
    should end as quickly as possible.

    Unlike you, I don't pretend to know things I don't know, so I'll tell
    you that I don't have access to the text of this agreement.

    'Masi gave evidence to the stewards, saying that the purpose of
    Article 48.12 was to remove lapped cars that would interfere with the
    leaders rCo in this case Hamilton and Verstappen.

    He also said that teams had agreed that it was rCLhighly desirable for
    the race to end in a rCygreenrCO condition (i.e. not under a safety
    car).rCY'


    <https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/the-safety-car-regulations-that-michael-masi-ignored-to-go-racing-at-the-end-of-abu-dhabi-gp>

    'But Masi decided to give those two cars a 70-second head start on
    Verstappen and Ricciardo. The motivation behind this was to ensure
    the race concluded with a green flag lap, an outcome Masi later said
    the teams had previously agreed was rCLhighly desirablerCY.'


    <https://www.racefans.net/2021/12/14/analysis-the-four-minutes-that-changed-the-destiny-of-the-2021-world-championship/>

    So you think that agreeing that it was desirable to finish under a
    green light green lit him to throw the regulations out the window. More
    that delays were minimised where possible. For instance in repairing or reinstating a barrier.

    If anything it might give him a little lee way towards the red flag
    scenario that a number of people seem to think would have been more
    equitable and fulfilled the desire for a dramatic finish.

    That is one hell of a stretch.
    Whenever has it not been "highly desirable" for any race to finish
    under a green light?
    I am pretty sure they also thought it was "highly desirable" not to
    have the championship decided in the stewards room but that should not
    mean that the drivers could ignore the regulations, should it?
    You are asking a very weak phrase to do an awful lot of heavy lifting.

    Your "specific" "general agreement" is ephemeral.

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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Dec 16 10:15:13 2021
    Alan wrote:

    On 2021-12-15 1:13 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Tuesday, 14 December 2021 at 22:36:57 UTC, Alan wrote:
    On 2021-12-14 1:15 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Dec 2021 18:35:55 -0000 (UTC), Mark wrote:

    Baku was a very different situation in any case.

    Baku was indeed different & in my opinin Pivotal in deciding the championship
    Redbull called for the red flag - claiming it was an indicator
    the tyres were not safe, but I have no doubt that they were
    hoping their would be no restart & Max would get the win on
    count back.

    Lewis then stuffed up his start, Without that error he would
    almost certainly been at least 18 points ahead of Max & the
    FIAsco Sunday would have made no difference.

    It was that error even more than Masi's error Sunday that cost
    him the championship.

    (This does not alter my opinion that Masi was wrong & needs to
    resign)

    Why is it people never get that Masi's real job is to let you get
    angry at him rather than at the FIA and (maybe) Liberty?

    Masi did not make that call on his own; you can absolutely count
    on that.
    So who do you think did? Is there a Board of Liberty sitting in
    there with a marketing "ace" who "runs the numbers" and says "Hey
    guys, this will run well on the socials if you bring in the SC now".

    Nope. I think that Liberty talked to the FIA about what they would
    want and that the FIA communicated that to Masi...

    ...before the race ever started.


    I don't doubt that Masi is influenced in his approach by the
    commercial rights holders etc; it's an overriding factor for him no
    doubt.

    But I think you can *absolutely count on* the fact that the
    decisions taken during the race in those final laps were taken only
    by the RD with the steward and clerk of the course team.

    Following discussions with the FIA and the teams prior to event
    starting, yes.


    Thereafter, in the retrospective interpretation of the rules that
    was applied following Mercs protests, I can buy that there was more
    direct influence from Liberty et al; there was at the very least
    time for that to happen.

    But during the race? Nah, cloud cookoo land.

    "Make sure the race doesn't end behind the safety car and if at all
    possible, with Hamilton and Verstappen fighting for the win all the
    way to the end."

    Something like that could have been said immediately after Saudi
    Arabia.

    You have absolutely no way of knowing what was said but you can be sure
    they did not green light blatantly ignoring the regulations. Any such discussion should have had no bearing of the RD's implementation of the
    SC procedure.

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