• Joint WDC leaders

    From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 10:53:34 2021
    This is the 38th time that two (or 3) drivers have had equal points
    after the result has been finalised.

    Eleven of those were after the 2nd event of the season - 1950-54,
    61-62, 64, 81, 97 & 2017. Four more were after the 3rd event -
    1972, 86, 89 & 2007.

    On 2 occasions there was a 3-way tie for the WDC lead:

    BHR 2007 22 pts Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton
    GBR 2008 48 Hamilton, Massa, Raikkonen

    Bahrain was round 3 of 17 and Britain was round 9 of 18. Drivers are
    listed in tie-breaker order based on race results. In 2008 HAM & MAS
    had exactly the same results (3 wins each), while Kimi had a single
    win.

    Verstappen leads Hamilton in 2021 by 9 wins to 8. Worth noting that
    VER's last win was the Mexican GP and HAM has won the last three.
    VER won 5-4 in the first 11 events, while they are equal 4-4 in the
    last 10.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 6 13:33:41 2021
    On 06/12/2021 10:53, Brian Lawrence wrote:

    This is the 38th time that two (or 3) drivers have had equal points
    after the result has been finalised.

    Eleven of those were after the 2nd event of the season - 1950-54,
    61-62, 64, 81, 97 & 2017. Four more were after the 3rd event -
    1972, 86, 89 & 2007.

    On 2 occasions there was a 3-way tie for the WDC lead:

    BHR 2007-a-a 22 pts-a Alonso, Raikkonen, Hamilton
    GBR 2008-a-a 48-a-a-a-a-a Hamilton, Massa, Raikkonen

    Bahrain was round 3 of 17 and Britain was round 9 of 18. Drivers are
    listed in tie-breaker order based on race results. In 2008 HAM & MAS
    had exactly the same results (3 wins each), while Kimi had a single
    win.

    Verstappen leads Hamilton in 2021 by 9 wins to 8. Worth noting that
    VER's last win was the Mexican GP and HAM has won the last three.
    VER won 5-4 in the first 11 events, while they are equal 4-4 in the
    last 10.

    Here's a full list - @ indicates exact same record:

    Rnd GP Year Pts ==================================================================
    2/7 MON 1950 9 G Farina JM Fangio @
    2/8 I-5 1951 9 JM Fangio L Wallard @
    2/8 BEL 1952 9 P Taruffi A Ascari @
    2/9 I-5 1953 9 A Ascari B Vukovich @
    2/9 I-5 1954 8 JM Fangio B Vukovich @
    4/8 BEL 1956 11 P Collins S Moss @
    6/11 FRA 1958 23 S Moss M Hawthorn Moss 2-1 wins
    6/10 FRA 1960 24 J Brabham B McLaren Brab 3-0
    2/8 NED 1961 12 W von Trips S Moss @
    2/9 MON 1962 10 G Hill P Hill G Hill 1-0
    2/10 NED 1964 12 J Clark G Hill @
    10/12 CDN 1968 33 G Hill D Hulme Hill 2-2, 2-1
    3/12 ESP 1972 15 D Hulme E Fittipaldi @
    14/15 CDN 1974 52 E Fittipaldi G Regazzoni Fitt 3-1
    4/17 LB 1977 19 J Scheckter N Lauda @
    4/16 LB 1978 18 C Reutemann M Andretti Reut 2-1
    5/15 ESP 1979 20 G Villeneuve P Depailler Vill 2-1
    6/15 BEL 1979 24 J Laffite J Scheckter Laff 2-1
    4/14 LB 1980 18 R Arnoux N Piquet Arno 2-1
    2/15 BRA 1981 15 A Jones C Reutemann @
    12/15 NED 1981 45 N Piquet C Reutemann Piqu 3-2
    4/15 Rsm 1983 15 N Piquet A Prost @
    10/16 AUT 1985 50 A Prost M Alboreto Pros 4-2
    3/16 Rsm 1986 15 A Senna N Piquet @
    10/16 HUN 1988 66 A Senna A Prost Senn 6-4
    3/16 MON 1989 18 A Senna A Prost Senn 2-0
    2/17 BRA 1997 10 D Coulthard J Villeneuve @
    14/16 ITA 1998 80 M H|nkkinen M Schumacher Hakk 6-6, 2-1
    13/16 ITA 1999 60 M H|nkkinen E Irvine Hakk 4-3
    4/17 Rsm 2001 26 M Schumacher D Coulthard Schu 2-1
    4/18 CHN 2006 116 M Schumacher F Alonso Schu 7-6
    3/17 BHR 2007 22 Alonso / R|nikk||nen / Hamilton [1]
    5/17 MON 2007 38 F Alonso L Hamilton Alon 2-0
    9/18 GBR 2008 48 Hamilton / Massa / R|nikk||nen Hami 3-3, Rai 1
    6/19 MON 2010 78 M Webber S Vettel Webb 2-1
    5/20 ESP 2012 61 S Vettel F Alonso [2]
    2/20 CHN 2017 43 S Vettel L Hamilton @
    21/22 KSA 2021 369.5 M Verstappen L Hamilton Vers 9-8

    Notes:

    1. Alo 1 win, 1 2nd / Rai 1 win 2x3rd / Ham 2x2nd
    2. Vet pts 25/18/10/8 Alo pts 25/18/10/6/2

    Three years ago I posted a list of all drivers who have led the WDC
    (after JPN 2018). Since then there have been an additional 63 events,
    and the only leaders (up to KSA 2021) have been HAM 125 (+4),
    Verstappen (14) & Bottas 5. HAM's +4 are events where he shared the
    lead but was not the priamry leader.

    Full list, updated and occassionally slightly corrected.

    1 Hamilton 125 (+4)
    2 Schumacher 121 (+1)
    3 Prost 78 (+3)
    4 Vettel 63 (+3)
    5 Alonso 52 (+2)
    6 Senna 49
    7 Lauda 41 (+1)
    8 Stewart 33
    9 Fangio 32 (+1)
    10 N Rosberg 29

    11 G Hill 27 (+1)
    12 Fittipaldi 27 (+1)
    13 Hakkinen 27
    14 Mansell 25
    15 Brabham 24
    16 Clark 22
    17 Button 20
    18 Piquet 19 (+2)
    19 D Hill 17
    20 Scheckter 16 (+1)

    21 Andretti 15 (+1)
    22 Ascari 14 (+1)
    23 Verstappen 14 1st non-WDC
    24 Reutemann 13 (+2) 2nd
    25 Hulme 13 (+1)
    26 Raikkonen 12 (+2)
    27 Jones 11
    28 Rindt 8
    29 Farina 7
    30 Moss 6 (+2) 3rd

    31 Alboreto 6 (+1) 4th
    32 McLaren 6 (+1) "
    33 Regazzoni 6 (+1) "
    34 Webber 6 (+1) "
    35 Hawthorn 5 (+1)
    36 J Villeneuve 5 (+1)
    37 Irvine 5 (+1) 8th
    38 P Hill 4 (+1)
    39 Laffite 4 9th
    40 Pironi 4

    Taruffi (3), Behra 3, Collins 3, von Trips 3, Arnoux 3, Watson 3,
    K Rosberg [WDC] 3, Coulthard 3 (+1), Trintignant 2, G Villeneuve 2,
    de Angelis 2, Massa 2 (+1), Musso 1, Surtees [WDC] 1, Bandini 1,
    P Rodriguez 1, Hunt [WDC] 1, Depailler 1 (+1), Fisichella 1, Kubica 1

    B Vukovic 0 (+2), L Wallard 0 (+1)

    62 drivers in all
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 7 10:08:24 2021
    On 6/12/2021 11:53 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    This is the 38th time that two (or 3) drivers have had equal points
    after the result has been finalised.


    But more significantly, none of those with just one race remaining ....

    geoff
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 7 08:08:01 2021
    On 06/12/2021 21:08, geoff wrote:
    On 6/12/2021 11:53 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    This is the 38th time that two (or 3) drivers have had equal points
    after the result has been finalised.


    But more significantly, none of those with just one race remaining ....

    Except 1974 - Fittipaldi & Regazzoni.

    In the final race Regazzoni soon developed handling problems and dropped
    down the field. Fittipaldi finished in fourth place.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 7 22:38:37 2021
    On 7/12/2021 9:08 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 06/12/2021 21:08, geoff wrote:
    On 6/12/2021 11:53 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    This is the 38th time that two (or 3) drivers have had equal points
    after the result has been finalised.


    But more significantly, none of those with just one race remaining ....

    Except 1974 - Fittipaldi & Regazzoni.

    In the final race Regazzoni soon developed handling problems and dropped
    down the field. Fittipaldi finished in fourth place.


    A bit of a fizzer then ....

    geoff
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 7 15:01:19 2021
    On 07/12/2021 09:38, geoff wrote:
    On 7/12/2021 9:08 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 06/12/2021 21:08, geoff wrote:
    On 6/12/2021 11:53 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    This is the 38th time that two (or 3) drivers have had equal points
    after the result has been finalised.


    But more significantly, none of those with just one race remaining ....

    Except 1974 - Fittipaldi & Regazzoni.

    In the final race Regazzoni soon developed handling problems and dropped
    down the field. Fittipaldi finished in fourth place.


    A bit of a fizzer then ....

    Definitely. It made me wonder about final GPs where there was a small
    gap between the top two drivers.

    The number of points available for a win makes a difference to what a
    small gap was. Essentially from 1950 to 1990 a win was potentially worth
    9 points, so I've included gaps which were less than 10.

    From 1991 to 2009 a win was worth 10 points, so I've listed gaps less
    than 11. Since 2010 wins have been worth 25 pts, so anything less than
    26 is listed.

    FRA 1950 Fangio 26 Fagioli 24 @Farina 22
    ITA 1951 @Fangio 27 Ascari 25 Gonz|ilez 21
    GER 1956 @Fangio 30 Collins 22 Behra 22
    ITA 1958 @Hawthorn 40 Moss 32
    ITA 1959 @Brabham 31 Moss 25.5 Brooks 23
    ITA 1960 @Brabham 40 McLaren 33
    ITA 1961 @P Hill 34 von Trips 33
    USA 1962 @G Hill 39 Clark 30
    USA 1964 G Hill 39 @Surtees 34 Clark 30
    USA 1967 @Hulme 47 Brabham 42
    USA 1968 @G Hill 39 Stewart 36 Hulme 33
    CDN 1974 @Fittipaldi 52 Regazzoni 52 Scheckter 45
    USA 1976 Lauda 68 @Hunt 65
    CDN 1979 @Scheckter 51 Villeneuve 44 Jones 40
    CDN 1980 @Jones 62 Piquet 54
    CDN 1981 Reutemann 49 @Piquet 48 Laffite 43
    ITA 1982 @K Rosberg 42 Pironi 39 Watson 33
    Eur 1983 Prost 57 @Piquet 55 Arnoux 49
    Eur 1984 @Lauda 66 Prost 62.5
    MEX 1986 Mansell 70 @Prost 64 Piquet 63
    JPN 1988 @Senna 87 Prost 84
    JPN 1990 @Senna 78 Prost 69

    JPN 1994 @Schumacher 92 D Hill 91
    POR 1996 @D Hill 87 Villeneuve 78
    JPN 1997 Schumacher 78 @Villeneuve 77
    Lux 1998 @H|nkkinen 90 Schumacher 86
    MAS 1999 Irvine 70 @H|nkkinen 66
    USA 2003 @Schumacher 92 R|nikk||nen 83 Montoya 82
    JPN 2006 @Alonso 126 Schumacher 116
    CHN 2007 Hamilton 107 Alonso 103 @R|nikk||nen 100
    CHN 2008 @Hamilton 94 Massa 87

    BRA 2010 Alonso 246 Webber 238 @Vettel 231 Hamilton 222
    USA 2012 @Vettel 273 Alonso 260
    BRA 2014 @Hamilton 334 N Rosberg 317
    BRA 2016 @N Rosberg 367 Hamilton 355

    @ Indicates the eventual WDC. I've included third-placed drivers, and in
    one season the 4th-placed one, if they were within the gap.

    In the seasons from the late 'sixties to 1990 drivers could only count a certain number of their best scores. I have not considered if that
    affected the possibility of any listed drivers not being able to win.

    Note also that in 1961 the 2nd-placed driver (von Trips) was killed in
    the penultimate GP, so Phil Hill was certain of the WDC.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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