HAM @ Silverstone/Copse 10-second penalty for accident resulting from
poor judgement in a genuine attempt to overtake.
VER ???-penalty for:
1 - Poor judgement in line taken into corner after having effectively
lost the place.
... or
2 - Illegal line deliberately taken after losing a place.
Surely either way it has to be a penalty, and in my mind it was #2, so greater than the equivalent of 10 seconds.
And then there was the weaving, which if nothing else demonstrated VER's mindset.
On 2021-11-16 1:43 p.m., geoff wrote:
HAM @ Silverstone/Copse 10-second penalty for accident resulting from
poor judgement in a genuine attempt to overtake.
VER ???-penalty for:
1 - Poor judgement in line taken into corner after having effectively
lost the place.
... or
2 - Illegal line deliberately taken after losing a place.
Surely either way it has to be a penalty, and in my mind it was #2, so
greater than the equivalent of 10 seconds.
I think that they were both essentially the same in motivation and execution:
Picking a line that would work out if everything went perfectly and
which would force the other driver to have to yield because you didn't
leave him room he was entitled to...
...which turned into more when the car picked up a little understeer
from the turbulence of the car you were having it on with.
That the Copse incident took place at much higher speed makes it a
little more serious in my mind, but in general, I'm against penalties
that change with severity of the outcome. It's not as easy to say in motorsports, because there are clearly times when making a move that's
over the line IS far more dangerous given the circumstances. But better
to rewrite the rule to allow for greater penalties with those more
dangerous circumstances than to start varying them with whether or not
the other car crashed... ...at least to my thinking.
And then there was the weaving, which if nothing else demonstrated
VER's mindset.
The weaving was very blatant, and while I think that you should be
allowed to weave to break the tow, there is a point where the car behind
is closing fast and weaving to break the tow becomes blocking.
I'm find with the race officials giving Verstappen the warning that basically says "You were close to the line. Don't do it again."
On 17/11/2021 10:58 am, Alan wrote:
On 2021-11-16 1:43 p.m., geoff wrote:
HAM @ Silverstone/Copse 10-second penalty for accident resulting from
poor judgement in a genuine attempt to overtake.
VER ???-penalty for:
1 - Poor judgement in line taken into corner after having effectively
lost the place.
... or
2 - Illegal line deliberately taken after losing a place.
Surely either way it has to be a penalty, and in my mind it was #2,
so greater than the equivalent of 10 seconds.
I think that they were both essentially the same in motivation and
execution:
Picking a line that would work out if everything went perfectly and
which would force the other driver to have to yield because you didn't
leave him room he was entitled to...
...which turned into more when the car picked up a little understeer
from the turbulence of the car you were having it on with.
That the Copse incident took place at much higher speed makes it a
little more serious in my mind, but in general, I'm against penalties
that change with severity of the outcome. It's not as easy to say in
motorsports, because there are clearly times when making a move that's
over the line IS far more dangerous given the circumstances. But
better to rewrite the rule to allow for greater penalties with those
more dangerous circumstances than to start varying them with whether
or not the other car crashed... ...at least to my thinking.
And then there was the weaving, which if nothing else demonstrated
VER's mindset.
The weaving was very blatant, and while I think that you should be
allowed to weave to break the tow, there is a point where the car
behind is closing fast and weaving to break the tow becomes blocking.
I'm find with the race officials giving Verstappen the warning that
basically says "You were close to the line. Don't do it again."
Danger is one thing, and intent is another.
...at least to my thinking.
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