• Hakuho retired...Yokozuna rankings

    From Louis Epstein@24:150/2 to rec.sport.sumo on Tue Sep 28 05:17:20 2021
    The time has come...his knee injury wasn't healing and he
    has decided to retire from the ring.

    The man with more wins as a yokozuna than anyone else has
    wins in makuuchi leaves and the only active yokozuna is now
    a man tied for 193rd in makuuchi wins.

    Hakuho didn't get his 900th yokozuna win,but he did avoid his
    200th makuuchi loss,29 fewer losses than Onokuni with 667 more
    wins...less than half the losses of Mienoumi with more than
    twice the wins.

    The chart:

    YOKOZUNA BORN-PROMOTED-RETIRED-DIED MAKUUCHI BOUTS YUSHO
    SHIKONA WON LOST
    Hakuho 1985-7/2007-9/2021-alive 1093 199 45
    Chiyonofuji 1955-7/1981-5/1991-7/2016 807 253 31
    Kitanoumi 1953-7/1974-1/1985-11/2015 804 247 24
    Taiho 1940-9/1961-5/1971-1/2013 746 144 32
    Kisenosato 1986-3/2017-1/2019-alive 714 453 2
    Harumafuji 1984-11/2012-11/2017-alive 712 373 9
    Musashimaru 1971-7/1999-11/2003-alive 706 267 12
    Takanohana 1972-1/1995-1/2003-alive 701 217 22
    Kakuryu 1985-3/2014-3/2021-alive 645 394 6
    Wajima 1948-5/1973-3/1981-2018 620 213 14
    Kashiwado 1938-9/1961-7/1969-1996 599 240 5
    Asashoryu 1980-3/2003-2/2010-alive 596 153 25
    Kitanofuji 1942-1/1970-7/1974-alive 592 294 10
    Akebono 1969-3/1993-1/2001-alive 566 198 11
    Kotozakura 1940-1/1973-7/1974-2007 553 345 5
    Wakanohana 1 1928-1/1958-5/1962-9/2010 546 235 10
    Mienoumi 1948-7/1979-11/1980-alive 543 413 3
    Tochinishiki 1925-10/1954-5/1960-1990 513 203 10
    Wakanohana 2 1953-5/1978-1/1983-alive 512 234 4
    Asahifuji 1960-7/1990-1/1991-alive 487 277 4
    Wakanohana 3 1971-7/1998-3/2000-alive 487 249 5
    Tamanoumi 1944-1/1970-10/1971(death) 469 221 6
    Hokutoumi 1963-5/1987-5/1992-alive 465 206 8
    Takanosato 1952-7/1983-1/1986-11/2011 464 313 4
    Sadanoyama 1938-1/1965-3/1968-4/2017 435 164 6
    Asashio 1929-5/1959-1/1962-1988 431 248 5
    Onokuni 1962-9/1987-7/1991-alive 426 228 2
    Chiyonoyama 1926-5/1951-1/1959-1977 366 149 6
    Kagamisato 1923-1/1953-1/1958-2004 360 163 4
    Haguroyama 1914-5/1941-9/1953-1969 321 94 7
    Tochinoumi 1938-1/1964-11/1966-2021 315 181 3
    Tamanishiki 1903-11/1932-12/1938(death) 308 92 9
    Yoshibayama 1920-1/1954-1/1958-1977 304 151 1
    Futabayama 1912-5/1937-11/1945-1968 276 68 12
    Terukuni 1919-5/1942-1/1953-1977 271 91 2
    *Terunofuji 1991-7/2021-active 265++ 169++ 5+
    Azumafuji 1921-10/1948-9/1954-1973 261 104 6
    Minanogawa 1903-1/1936-1/1942-1971 247 136 2
    Tsunenohana 1896-2/1924-5/1930-1960 221 58 10
    Maedayama 1914-6/1947-10/1949-1971 206 104 1
    Futahaguro 1963-7/1986-12/1987-2019 197 87 0
    Tachiyama 1877-2/1911-1/1918-1941 195 27 11
    Musashiyama 1909-5/1935-5/1939-1969 174 69 1
    Umegatani 2 1878-6/1903-5/1915-1927 168 27 3
    Tochigiyama 1892-2/1918-5/1925-1959 166 23 9
    Onishiki 2 1883-4/1918-1/1922-1943 162 50 6
    Hitachiyama 1874-6/1903-5/1914-1922 150 15 8
    Okido 1878-12/1912-1/1914-1930 143 20 10
    Akinoumi 1914-5/1942-11/1946-1979 142 59 1
    Nishinoumi 3 1890-4/1923-10/1928-1933 134 60 1
    Nishinoumi 1 1855-3/1890-1/1896-1908 127 37 2
    Konishiki (1) 1866-3/1896-1/1901-1914 119 24 7
    Onishiki 1 1891-5/1917-1/1923-1941 119 16 5
    Umegatani 1 1845-2/1884-5/1885-1928 116 6 9
    Otori 1887-2/1915-5/1920-1956 107 49 2
    Nishinoumi 2 1880-2/1916-5/1918-1930 106 38 1
    Ozutsu 1869-4/1901-1/1908-1918 98 29 2
    Miyagiyama 1895-4/1922-1/1931-1943 90 69 2
    Wakashima 1876-4/1905-1/1907-1943 82 33 4

    The list extends back to Umegatani 1.

    Ozeki Kaio had 879 makuuchi wins at retirement in July 2011.The only
    other non-yokozuna with more than Akinoshima and Takanonami(tied at 647)
    are Kotoshogiku(718),Kyokutenho(697),Takamiyama (II) (683),Aminishiki(678),
    and the ozeki Konishiki (649).
    Kyokutenho has the loss record at 773,displacing Terao's 753.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Toronto Backlawn@24:150/2 to rec.sport.sumo on Fri Oct 1 15:27:20 2021
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:17:20 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

    The time has come...his knee injury wasn't healing and he has decided to retire from the ring.

    The man with more wins as a yokozuna than anyone else has wins in
    makuuchi leaves and the only active yokozuna is now a man tied for 193rd
    in makuuchi wins.

    Hakuho didn't get his 900th yokozuna win,but he did avoid his 200th
    makuuchi loss,29 fewer losses than Onokuni with 667 more wins...less
    than half the losses of Mienoumi with more than twice the wins.

    The chart:

    YOKOZUNA BORN-PROMOTED-RETIRED-DIED MAKUUCHI BOUTS YUSHO
    SHIKONA
    WON LOST Hakuho 1985-7/2007-9/2021-alive 1093
    199 45 Chiyonofuji
    1955-7/1981-5/1991-7/2016 807 253 31 Kitanoumi 1953-7/1974-1/1985-11/2015 804 247 24 Taiho
    1940-9/1961-5/1971-1/2013
    746 144 32 Kisenosato 1986-3/2017-1/2019-alive 714
    453 2 Harumafuji
    1984-11/2012-11/2017-alive 712 373 9 Musashimaru 1971-7/1999-11/2003-alive 706 267 12 Takanohana
    1972-1/1995-1/2003-alive
    701 217 22 Kakuryu 1985-3/2014-3/2021-alive
    645 394 6 Wajima
    1948-5/1973-3/1981-2018 620 213 14 Kashiwado
    1938-9/1961-7/1969-1996
    599 240 5 Asashoryu 1980-3/2003-2/2010-alive 596
    153 25 Kitanofuji
    1942-1/1970-7/1974-alive 592 294 10 Akebono
    1969-3/1993-1/2001-alive
    566 198 11 Kotozakura 1940-1/1973-7/1974-2007 553
    345 5 Wakanohana 1
    1928-1/1958-5/1962-9/2010 546 235 10 Mienoumi
    1948-7/1979-11/1980-alive
    543 413 3 Tochinishiki 1925-10/1954-5/1960-1990 513
    203 10 Wakanohana 2
    1953-5/1978-1/1983-alive 512 234 4 Asahifuji
    1960-7/1990-1/1991-alive
    487 277 4 Wakanohana 3 1971-7/1998-3/2000-alive 487
    249 5 Tamanoumi
    1944-1/1970-10/1971(death) 469 221 6 Hokutoumi
    1963-5/1987-5/1992-alive
    465 206 8 Takanosato 1952-7/1983-1/1986-11/2011 464
    313 4 Sadanoyama
    1938-1/1965-3/1968-4/2017 435 164 6 Asashio
    1929-5/1959-1/1962-1988
    431 248 5 Onokuni 1962-9/1987-7/1991-alive
    426 228 2 Chiyonoyama
    1926-5/1951-1/1959-1977 366 149 6 Kagamisato
    1923-1/1953-1/1958-2004
    360 163 4 Haguroyama 1914-5/1941-9/1953-1969 321
    94 7 Tochinoumi
    1938-1/1964-11/1966-2021 315 181 3 Tamanishiki 1903-11/1932-12/1938(death) 308 92 9 Yoshibayama
    1920-1/1954-1/1958-1977
    304 151 1 Futabayama 1912-5/1937-11/1945-1968
    276 68 12 Terukuni
    1919-5/1942-1/1953-1977 271 91 2 *Terunofuji
    1991-7/2021-active 265++
    169++ 5+ Azumafuji 1921-10/1948-9/1954-1973 261 104 6
    Minanogawa
    1903-1/1936-1/1942-1971 247 136 2 Tsunenohana
    1896-2/1924-5/1930-1960
    221 58 10 Maedayama 1914-6/1947-10/1949-1971 206
    104 1 Futahaguro
    1963-7/1986-12/1987-2019 197 87 0 Tachiyama
    1877-2/1911-1/1918-1941 195
    27 11 Musashiyama 1909-5/1935-5/1939-1969 174
    69 1 Umegatani 2
    1878-6/1903-5/1915-1927 168 27 3 Tochigiyama
    1892-2/1918-5/1925-1959
    166 23 9 Onishiki 2 1883-4/1918-1/1922-1943 162
    50 6 Hitachiyama
    1874-6/1903-5/1914-1922 150 15 8 Okido
    1878-12/1912-1/1914-1930 143 20
    10 Akinoumi 1914-5/1942-11/1946-1979 142 59 1
    Nishinoumi 3
    1890-4/1923-10/1928-1933 134 60 1 Nishinoumi 1
    1855-3/1890-1/1896-1908
    127 37 2 Konishiki (1) 1866-3/1896-1/1901-1914
    119 24 7 Onishiki 1
    1891-5/1917-1/1923-1941 119 16 5 Umegatani 1
    1845-2/1884-5/1885-1928
    116 6 9 Otori 1887-2/1915-5/1920-1956 107
    49 2 Nishinoumi 2
    1880-2/1916-5/1918-1930 106 38 1
    Ozutsu 1869-4/1901-1/1908-1918 98 29
    2 Miyagiyama 1895-4/1922-1/1931-1943 90 69 2 Wakashima 1876-4/1905-1/1907-1943 82 33 4

    The list extends back to Umegatani 1.

    Ozeki Kaio had 879 makuuchi wins at retirement in July 2011.The only
    other non-yokozuna with more than Akinoshima and Takanonami(tied at 647)
    are Kotoshogiku(718),Kyokutenho(697),Takamiyama (II)
    (683),Aminishiki(678),
    and the ozeki Konishiki (649).
    Kyokutenho has the loss record at 773,displacing Terao's 753.

    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.


    Here's the top 12 win/loss ratios, based on your data. Hakuho is clearly
    on top in the modern era (vs fighters who were born in the late-1800's),
    and I've always been a little unsure how to interpret older stats, given
    that the sport was a bit more ramshackle then.

    If we filter out more-or-less those Yokozuna's who had fewer than 200
    wins, that oddly seems to equate to modern sumo/yokozuna. I'm not
    sufficiently familiar with the history of sumo - why do old-era yokozunas
    seem to have small number of bouts?

    But, either way, in the modern era, it's just Hakuho and Taiho would
    retired with a greater-than-5.0 win/loss ratio. Impressive!

    Yokozuna Active Won Lost Yusho W/L ratio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Umegatani 1 1884 - 1885 116 6 9 19.333
    Hitachiyama 1903 - 1914 150 15 8 10.000
    Onishiki 1 1917 - 1923 119 16 5 7.438
    Tachiyama 1911 - 1918 195 27 11 7.222
    Tochigiyama 1918 - 1925 166 23 9 7.217
    Okido 1912 - 1914 143 20 10 7.150
    Umegatani 2 1903 - 1915 168 27 3 6.222
    Hakuho 2007 - 2021 1093 199 45 5.492
    Taiho 1961 - 1971 746 144 32 5.181
    Konishiki (1) 1896 - 1901 119 24 7 4.958
    Futabayama 1937 - 1945 276 68 12 4.059
    Asashoryu 2003 - 2010 596 153 25 3.895
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Louis Epstein@24:150/2 to rec.sport.sumo on Thu Oct 14 05:07:42 2021
    Toronto Backlawn <joe@arthwere.tzq> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 05:17:20 +0000, Louis Epstein wrote:

    The time has come...his knee injury wasn't healing and he has decided to
    retire from the ring.

    The man with more wins as a yokozuna than anyone else has wins in
    makuuchi leaves and the only active yokozuna is now a man tied for 193rd
    in makuuchi wins.

    Hakuho didn't get his 900th yokozuna win,but he did avoid his 200th
    makuuchi loss,29 fewer losses than Onokuni with 667 more wins...less
    than half the losses of Mienoumi with more than twice the wins.

    The chart:

    YOKOZUNA BORN-PROMOTED-RETIRED-DIED MAKUUCHI BOUTS YUSHO
    SHIKONA
    WON LOST Hakuho 1985-7/2007-9/2021-alive 1093
    199 45 Chiyonofuji
    1955-7/1981-5/1991-7/2016 807 253 31 Kitanoumi
    1953-7/1974-1/1985-11/2015 804 247 24 Taiho
    1940-9/1961-5/1971-1/2013
    746 144 32 Kisenosato 1986-3/2017-1/2019-alive 714
    453 2 Harumafuji
    1984-11/2012-11/2017-alive 712 373 9 Musashimaru
    1971-7/1999-11/2003-alive 706 267 12 Takanohana
    1972-1/1995-1/2003-alive
    701 217 22 Kakuryu 1985-3/2014-3/2021-alive
    645 394 6 Wajima
    1948-5/1973-3/1981-2018 620 213 14 Kashiwado
    1938-9/1961-7/1969-1996
    599 240 5 Asashoryu 1980-3/2003-2/2010-alive 596
    153 25 Kitanofuji
    1942-1/1970-7/1974-alive 592 294 10 Akebono
    1969-3/1993-1/2001-alive
    566 198 11 Kotozakura 1940-1/1973-7/1974-2007 553
    345 5 Wakanohana 1
    1928-1/1958-5/1962-9/2010 546 235 10 Mienoumi
    1948-7/1979-11/1980-alive
    543 413 3 Tochinishiki 1925-10/1954-5/1960-1990 513
    203 10 Wakanohana 2
    1953-5/1978-1/1983-alive 512 234 4 Asahifuji
    1960-7/1990-1/1991-alive
    487 277 4 Wakanohana 3 1971-7/1998-3/2000-alive 487
    249 5 Tamanoumi
    1944-1/1970-10/1971(death) 469 221 6 Hokutoumi
    1963-5/1987-5/1992-alive
    465 206 8 Takanosato 1952-7/1983-1/1986-11/2011 464
    313 4 Sadanoyama
    1938-1/1965-3/1968-4/2017 435 164 6 Asashio
    1929-5/1959-1/1962-1988
    431 248 5 Onokuni 1962-9/1987-7/1991-alive
    426 228 2 Chiyonoyama
    1926-5/1951-1/1959-1977 366 149 6 Kagamisato
    1923-1/1953-1/1958-2004
    360 163 4 Haguroyama 1914-5/1941-9/1953-1969 321
    94 7 Tochinoumi
    1938-1/1964-11/1966-2021 315 181 3 Tamanishiki
    1903-11/1932-12/1938(death) 308 92 9 Yoshibayama
    1920-1/1954-1/1958-1977
    304 151 1 Futabayama 1912-5/1937-11/1945-1968
    276 68 12 Terukuni
    1919-5/1942-1/1953-1977 271 91 2 *Terunofuji
    1991-7/2021-active 265++
    169++ 5+ Azumafuji 1921-10/1948-9/1954-1973 261 104 6
    Minanogawa
    1903-1/1936-1/1942-1971 247 136 2 Tsunenohana
    1896-2/1924-5/1930-1960
    221 58 10 Maedayama 1914-6/1947-10/1949-1971 206
    104 1 Futahaguro
    1963-7/1986-12/1987-2019 197 87 0 Tachiyama
    1877-2/1911-1/1918-1941 195
    27 11 Musashiyama 1909-5/1935-5/1939-1969 174
    69 1 Umegatani 2
    1878-6/1903-5/1915-1927 168 27 3 Tochigiyama
    1892-2/1918-5/1925-1959
    166 23 9 Onishiki 2 1883-4/1918-1/1922-1943 162
    50 6 Hitachiyama
    1874-6/1903-5/1914-1922 150 15 8 Okido
    1878-12/1912-1/1914-1930 143 20
    10 Akinoumi 1914-5/1942-11/1946-1979 142 59 1
    Nishinoumi 3
    1890-4/1923-10/1928-1933 134 60 1 Nishinoumi 1
    1855-3/1890-1/1896-1908
    127 37 2 Konishiki (1) 1866-3/1896-1/1901-1914
    119 24 7 Onishiki 1
    1891-5/1917-1/1923-1941 119 16 5 Umegatani 1
    1845-2/1884-5/1885-1928
    116 6 9 Otori 1887-2/1915-5/1920-1956 107
    49 2 Nishinoumi 2
    1880-2/1916-5/1918-1930 106 38 1
    Ozutsu 1869-4/1901-1/1908-1918 98 29
    2 Miyagiyama 1895-4/1922-1/1931-1943 90 69 2 Wakashima
    1876-4/1905-1/1907-1943 82 33 4

    The list extends back to Umegatani 1.

    Ozeki Kaio had 879 makuuchi wins at retirement in July 2011.The only
    other non-yokozuna with more than Akinoshima and Takanonami(tied at 647)
    are Kotoshogiku(718),Kyokutenho(697),Takamiyama (II)
    (683),Aminishiki(678),
    and the ozeki Konishiki (649).
    Kyokutenho has the loss record at 773,displacing Terao's 753.



    Here's the top 12 win/loss ratios, based on your data. Hakuho is clearly
    on top in the modern era (vs fighters who were born in the late-1800's),
    and I've always been a little unsure how to interpret older stats, given that the sport was a bit more ramshackle then.

    If we filter out more-or-less those Yokozuna's who had fewer than 200
    wins, that oddly seems to equate to modern sumo/yokozuna. I'm not sufficiently familiar with the history of sumo - why do old-era yokozunas seem to have small number of bouts?

    Before 1939 basho were always shorter than at present,
    and after 1944 for a while they were again shorter than at present,
    before 15 bouts per basho became standard in 1949,the same time
    that more than 2 basho per year became standard (the number did
    not reach the present 6 until 1958).
    Also,there were various types of draw allowed in former decades.

    But, either way, in the modern era, it's just Hakuho and Taiho would
    retired with a greater-than-5.0 win/loss ratio. Impressive!

    Yokozuna Active Won Lost Yusho W/L ratio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Umegatani 1 1884 - 1885 116 6 9 19.333

    The more-yusho-than-losses stat always gets me.

    Hitachiyama 1903 - 1914 150 15 8 10.000
    Onishiki 1 1917 - 1923 119 16 5 7.438
    Tachiyama 1911 - 1918 195 27 11 7.222
    Tochigiyama 1918 - 1925 166 23 9 7.217
    Okido 1912 - 1914 143 20 10 7.150
    Umegatani 2 1903 - 1915 168 27 3 6.222
    Hakuho 2007 - 2021 1093 199 45 5.492
    Taiho 1961 - 1971 746 144 32 5.181
    Konishiki (1) 1896 - 1901 119 24 7 4.958
    Futabayama 1937 - 1945 276 68 12 4.059
    Asashoryu 2003 - 2010 596 153 25 3.895



    -=-=-
    The World Trade Center towers MUST rise again,
    at least as tall as before...or terror has triumphed.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From Bruce Scott@24:150/2 to rec.sport.sumo on Fri Oct 29 17:39:42 2021
    On 2021-09-28, Louis Epstein <le@top.put.com> wrote:
    The time has come...his knee injury wasn't healing and he
    has decided to retire from the ring.

    Was long coming...

    The chart:

    YOKOZUNA BORN-PROMOTED-RETIRED-DIED MAKUUCHI BOUTS YUSHO
    SHIKONA WON LOST
    Hakuho 1985-7/2007-9/2021-alive 1093 199 45 Chiyonofuji 1955-7/1981-5/1991-7/2016 807 253 31
    Kitanoumi 1953-7/1974-1/1985-11/2015 804 247 24
    Taiho 1940-9/1961-5/1971-1/2013 746 144 32
    [...]

    He's really the greatest ever.

    --
    ciao, Bruce
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)