• Paternity leave

    From Ramapriya D@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Mon Nov 9 18:05:13 2020
    An increasing if embarrassing trend over the past 30 years or so is that of national sportsmen excusing themselves to be with their wives for the births of kids. Children were born to sportsmen even before that period and they did have the opportunity to excuse themselves if they wanted to but they rarely did.
    Virat Kohli returning from Oz after T1 virtually means that he's going for some white and pink-ball cricket. He should opt out from even that T1 and give someone else the chance of play a full series.
    What a laugh!
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  • From Dechucka@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 13:19:02 2020
    On 10/11/2020 1:05 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    An increasing if embarrassing trend over the past 30 years or so is that of national sportsmen excusing themselves to be with their wives for the births of kids. Children were born to sportsmen even before that period and they did have the opportunity to excuse themselves if they wanted to but they rarely did.

    Virat Kohli returning from Oz after T1 virtually means that he's going for some white and pink-ball cricket. He should opt out from even that T1 and give someone else the chance of play a full series.

    What a laugh!

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve
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  • From Ramapriya D@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Mon Nov 9 18:45:27 2020
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve
    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate? No, so why should this be too different?
    And in any event, in this virtual day and age of technology, short of holding the child, you can see and enjoy its company from afar for a few weeks ere doing it all in the flesh.
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  • From Mike Holmans@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 04:13:33 2020
    On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 18:45:27 -0800 (PST), Ramapriya D <rama@samura.ai>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote: >> >
    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve


    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate? No, so why should this be too different?

    An ambassador conveys official messages between governments, and does
    represent a nation. Professional sportsmen only represent a nation in
    a figurative sense.

    In the case of, say, the UK's ambassador to the UN wanting paternity
    leave, I would expect it to be granted unless there were a dire
    situation with the Security Council in emergency session. The UK's
    prime minister took paternity leave from dealing (or not) with the
    pandemic and trying to make it impossible for UK businesses to trade externally. (Admittedly in his case, I wouldn't mind if he took the
    next 25 years off, but even if he wasn't a useless twit incapable of
    running a government, it was perfectly right and proper that he shouls
    take it.)

    Whether running a cricket team or a government, you're pretty fucking incompetent if you haven't got adequate backup. Taking paternity leave
    should be expected and catered for as with any other circumstance
    which might interfere with someone's job. Decent employers now know
    that taking care of their workforce is sound investment and makes them
    more productive in the medium and long term.

    I assume you aren't a father, because if you were, you'd know that
    watching on TV is no substitute for holding your baby's mother's hand
    while she gives birth - particularly for the mother.

    I'm sure you'll get enthusiastic support from the imbecile, but then
    he's a sociopath with no vestige of human feeling.

    Cheers,

    Mike
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  • From Ramapriya D@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Mon Nov 9 20:26:07 2020
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:13:36 AM UTC+4, Mike Holmans wrote:

    I assume you aren't a father, because if you were, you'd know that
    watching on TV is no substitute for holding your baby's mother's hand
    while she gives birth - particularly for the mother.
    Was there when my elder son was born but was on travel when the younger chap came along, and therefore reached a couple of days later. Again, I'm an individual who isn't representing my country in any way.
    I agree about the backup because one can be injured. In this case, since this is VK's first child, if he did want to be there, he should've opted out of selection for the Tests, knowing that the expected date of the birth would clash with the Test schedule. In the current scenario, mobilising someone else, given the bio bubbles, is all the more difficult, not to mention the distance between India and Oz.
    I'm sure you'll get enthusiastic support from the imbecile
    Since he knows the colour of my skin, I quite doubt it ;)
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  • From Dechucka@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 17:44:58 2020
    On 10/11/2020 1:45 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve


    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate?

    Yes I would

    No, so why should this be too different?

    And in any event, in this virtual day and age of technology, short of holding the child, you can see and enjoy its company from afar for a few weeks ere doing it all in the flesh.

    Nothing like being at the birth of your child in my experience.
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  • From Dechucka@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 17:47:59 2020
    On 10/11/2020 3:26 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 8:13:36 AM UTC+4, Mike Holmans wrote:

    I assume you aren't a father, because if you were, you'd know that
    watching on TV is no substitute for holding your baby's mother's hand
    while she gives birth - particularly for the mother.


    Was there when my elder son was born but was on travel when the younger chap came along, and therefore reached a couple of days later. Again, I'm an individual who isn't representing my country in any way.

    I agree about the backup because one can be injured. In this case, since this is VK's first child, if he did want to be there, he should've opted out of selection for the Tests, knowing that the expected date of the birth would clash with the Test schedule.

    I agree that would have probably been for the best

    In the current scenario, mobilising someone else, given the bio bubbles, is all the more difficult, not to mention the distance between India and Oz. >

    I'm sure you'll get enthusiastic support from the imbecile


    Since he knows the colour of my skin, I quite doubt it ;)

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  • From alvey@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 17:23:11 2020
    On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:44:58 +1100, Dechucka wrote:

    On 10/11/2020 1:45 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve

    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate?

    Yes I would

    No, so why should this be too different?

    And in any event, in this virtual day and age of technology, short of holding the child, you can see and enjoy its company from afar for a few weeks ere doing it all in the flesh.

    Nothing like being at the birth of your child in my experience.

    Being there at the creation of your child is more fun...



    alvey

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  • From Dechucka@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 18:55:04 2020
    On 10/11/2020 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:44:58 +1100, Dechucka wrote:

    On 10/11/2020 1:45 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve

    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate?

    Yes I would

    No, so why should this be too different?

    And in any event, in this virtual day and age of technology, short of holding the child, you can see and enjoy its company from afar for a few weeks ere doing it all in the flesh.

    Nothing like being at the birth of your child in my experience.

    Being there at the creation of your child is more fun...

    Not wrong and a lot less messy, however my wife screamed at the same
    level at both events
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  • From John Hall@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 10:49:47 2020
    In message <878d4320-cdbd-4b73-8d2a-687974847d9dn@googlegroups.com>,
    Ramapriya D <rama@samura.ai> writes
    An increasing if embarrassing trend over the past 30 years or so is
    that of national sportsmen excusing themselves to be with their wives
    for the births of kids.

    Why is that embarrassing? Men with any other career than sport do that
    as a matter of routine. It's surely not unreasonable for Kohli to think
    that being at the birth of his child is more important to him than
    cricket.

    Children were born to sportsmen even before that period and they did
    have the opportunity to excuse themselves if they wanted to but they
    rarely did.

    Ideas have changed. I think that's one way in which most - including
    even a crusty odd reactionary like me - would say they have changed for
    the better. Having said that, it's certainly a big blow to India's
    chances of winning the series, which is very unfortunate.


    Virat Kohli returning from Oz after T1 virtually means that he's going
    for some white and pink-ball cricket. He should opt out from even that
    T1 and give someone else the chance of play a full series.

    What a laugh!

    It's unfortunate that he'll have to miss three Tests rather than just
    one, which would probably have been the case pre Covid-19. I suppose
    there's now just an outside chance that he might be able to be
    vaccinated prior to the tour and perhaps as a result be excused from the Indian and Australian quarantine requirements and so miss only one Test.
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  • From alvey@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Wed Nov 11 06:56:14 2020
    On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:55:04 +1100, Dechucka wrote:

    On 10/11/2020 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:44:58 +1100, Dechucka wrote:

    On 10/11/2020 1:45 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve

    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate?

    Yes I would

    No, so why should this be too different?

    And in any event, in this virtual day and age of technology, short of holding the child, you can see and enjoy its company from afar for a few weeks ere doing it all in the flesh.

    Nothing like being at the birth of your child in my experience.

    Being there at the creation of your child is more fun...

    Not wrong and a lot less messy, however my wife screamed at the same
    level at both events

    lol

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  • From Hamish Laws@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Tue Nov 10 23:57:32 2020
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:55:12 PM UTC+11, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On 10/11/2020 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:44:58 +1100, Dechucka wrote:

    On 10/11/2020 1:45 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve

    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate?

    Yes I would

    No, so why should this be too different?

    And in any event, in this virtual day and age of technology, short of holding the child, you can see and enjoy its company from afar for a few weeks ere doing it all in the flesh.

    Nothing like being at the birth of your child in my experience.

    Being there at the creation of your child is more fun...
    Not wrong and a lot less messy, however my wife screamed at the same
    level at both events
    So, caesarean section under general anaesthetic?
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  • From Dechucka@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Wed Nov 11 20:19:11 2020
    On 11/11/2020 6:57 pm, Hamish Laws wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:55:12 PM UTC+11, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:
    On 10/11/2020 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:
    On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:44:58 +1100, Dechucka wrote:

    On 10/11/2020 1:45 pm, Ramapriya D wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:19:11 AM UTC+4, dech...@hotmail.com wrote:

    Being a cricketer is a job not a passion as in the good old days.
    Employers give paternity leve

    I respectfully disagree in that this isn't just another job; one is representing his nation. IMO, if you or your next of kin aren't ill or injured, you should carry on. Would anyone be pleased if his country's UN representative goes away for a comparable leave on the eve of a major debate?

    Yes I would

    No, so why should this be too different?

    And in any event, in this virtual day and age of technology, short of holding the child, you can see and enjoy its company from afar for a few weeks ere doing it all in the flesh.

    Nothing like being at the birth of your child in my experience.

    Being there at the creation of your child is more fun...
    Not wrong and a lot less messy, however my wife screamed at the same
    level at both events

    So, caesarean section under general anaesthetic?

    :-)

    1 out of 4 but it was she had a epidural. Loved saying to people when
    asked when she was due replying 0800 on Monday.

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  • From John Hall@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Wed Nov 11 10:39:05 2020
    In message <a5e8d5f8-1f44-4f2c-8bcf-d8a7b45c60a1n@googlegroups.com>,
    Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> writes
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 6:55:12 PM UTC+11, dech...@hotmail.com wrote: >> On 10/11/2020 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:

    Being there at the creation of your child is more fun...
    Not wrong and a lot less messy, however my wife screamed at the same
    level at both events

    So, caesarean section under general anaesthetic?

    LOL!
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  • From mike@24:150/2 to rec.sport.cricket on Thu Nov 12 09:22:51 2020
    On Tuesday, November 10, 2020 at 10:54:37 AM UTC, John Hall wrote:
    In message <878d4320-cdbd-4b73...@googlegroups.com>,
    Ramapriya D <ra...@samura.ai> writes
    the better. Having said that, it's certainly a big blow to India's
    chances of winning the series, which is very unfortunate.

    Virat Kohli returning from Oz after T1 virtually means that he's going
    for some white and pink-ball cricket. He should opt out from even that
    T1 and give someone else the chance of play a full series.

    What a laugh!
    It's unfortunate that he'll have to miss three Tests rather than just
    one, which would probably have been the case pre Covid-19.

    India without kohli certainly makes the series less interesting if the
    best batter in the world isnt going to be there to take on the best bowlers. but at least he not missing the series cos he punched someone in the
    street.

    mike
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