This chap has a Test record that screams, 'pick me only for home
Tests'. Twice the home bowling average while away and half the home
batting average when overseas.
Not quite who you'd want as your national captain but it's just as well
for Holder that not one of the other ten in the WI team is a certainty
for even three consecutive games.
This chap has a Test record that screams, 'pick me only for home Tests'. Twice the home bowling average while away and half the home batting average when overseas.
Not quite who you'd want as your national captain but it's just as well for Holder that not one of the other ten in the WI team is a certainty for even three consecutive games.
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:17:02 -0800 (PST), Ramapriya D <ra...@samura.ai> wrote:Nah, not entirely true.
This chap has a Test record that screams, 'pick me only for home Tests'. Twice the home bowling average while away and half the home batting average when overseas.
Not quite who you'd want as your national captain but it's just as well for Holder that not one of the other ten in the WI team is a certainty for even three consecutive games.You do love those averages, don't you?
On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 6:35:23 PM UTC+4, Mike Holmans wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:17:02 -0800 (PST), Ramapriya D <ra...@samura.ai>
wrote:
This chap has a Test record that screams, 'pick me only for home Tests'. Twice the home bowling average while away and half the home batting average when overseas.You do love those averages, don't you?
Not quite who you'd want as your national captain but it's just as well for Holder that not one of the other ten in the WI team is a certainty for even three consecutive games.
Nah, not entirely true.
In Holder's case, the cove has been playing Test cricket for well over six years now, racking up 44 games, which I think is long enough for stats to give a fairly reliable pattern. Holder has been given a much longer rope than some other West Indians. Had the WICB persisted with, e.g. Darren Bravo than squabbling pettily with him, he may well have been one of their much-needed batting mainstays.
Over the last two years, Holder averages 40 with the bat and 26 withCertainly good enough but then the point of the original thread remains - those figures look good because of his acutely skewed home performances. The current 60* is his first overseas half-century over the last two years, the rest being at home, including that splendid 202*. Ditto with his bowling, with one standout performance in a Test in India.
the ball. Would you like to tell me why that's not good enough?
On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 2:38:09 PM UTC+4, Mike Holmans wrote:
Over the last two years, Holder averages 40 with the bat and 26 with
the ball. Would you like to tell me why that's not good enough?
Certainly good enough but then the point of the original thread remains - those figures look good because of his acutely skewed home performances. The current 60* is his first overseas half-century over the last two years, the rest being at home, including that splendid 202*. Ditto with his bowling, with one standout performance in a Test in India.
On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 6:35:23 PM UTC+4, Mike Holmans wrote:How many windies players have really performed at international level in the last 20 years?
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 18:17:02 -0800 (PST), Ramapriya D <ra...@samura.ai> wrote:
This chap has a Test record that screams, 'pick me only for home Tests'. Twice the home bowling average while away and half the home batting average when overseas.
Nah, not entirely true.Not quite who you'd want as your national captain but it's just as well for Holder that not one of the other ten in the WI team is a certainty for even three consecutive games.You do love those averages, don't you?
In Holder's case, the cove has been playing Test cricket for well over six years now, racking up 44 games, which I think is long enough for stats to give a fairly reliable pattern. Holder has been given a much longer rope than some other West Indians.
Had the WICB persisted with, e.g. Darren Bravo than squabbling pettily with him, he may well have been one of their much-needed batting mainstays.Darren Bravo has played 56 tests, Dwayne Bravo played 40 not really sure that either of them can complain about a lack of opportunity (and iirc Dwayne decided to concentrate on 20/20 leagues)
In Stokes' case, his batting has, since that 250 in the Newlands Test, been consistent enough and getting better all the time, which makes him primarily a batter in the side who also can give you a few high-impact overs when needed. Moeen, OTOH, despite being in the Stokes/Holder/Pandya mould, fell out of favour when he did because he stopped making the periodic impact with either bat or ball.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 2:38:09 PM UTC+4, Mike Holmans wrote:From a total of 5 tests
Over the last two years, Holder averages 40 with the bat and 26 withCertainly good enough but then the point of the original thread remains - those figures look good because of his acutely skewed home performances. The current 60* is his first overseas half-century over the last two years,
the ball. Would you like to tell me why that's not good enough?
the rest being at home, including that splendid 202*. Ditto with his bowling, with one standout performance in a Test in India.--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
He doesn't bat in the top 6, and probably should. He's also good enough to bowl more than he does. Most of all, he needs to start getting to be effective in Tests away from home. At 29 and with 6 years of international cricket behind him, he's primed to maximise his returns over the next 5 or so years that he has left.
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