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On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

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Didn't realise there were Rest of the World tests that early. Thanks
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In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrCnZ2dnUU7-WnNnZ2d@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka <Dechucka1@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid- >>dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was
probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

Didn't realise there were Rest of the World tests that early. Thanks

They weren't Tests, even unofficially, just festival games.
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On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 8:42:23 PM UTC+1, Dechucka wrote:

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid-dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

Didn't realise there were Rest of the World tests that early. Thanks

The earliest one got to official RoW games against England were the matches arranged in 1970 to fill the gap after the SA series fell through.

The RoW side was very strong Here is the Lord's RoW side


BA Richards
EJ Barlow
R Kanhai
RG Pollock
CH Lloyd
GS Sobers (c)
F Engineer Wk
Intikhab Alam
MJ Procter
GD McKenzie
LR Gibbs

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/17268/scorecard/220410/england-vs-rest-of-the-world-xi-rest-of-the-world-xi-tour-of-england-1970

RH
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In message <rg3RQfAUjAifFwwM@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrCnZ2dnUU7-WnNnZ2d@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka ><Dechucka1@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid- >>>dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was
probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

Didn't realise there were Rest of the World tests that early. Thanks

They weren't Tests, even unofficially, just festival games.

Having down a bit of digging, they were 3-day games. The home side was
billed as "England" and looks to be very close to a first choice England
XI. The RoW side was very strong. In the first of the two matches it
was:

CC Hunte
EJ Barlow
Hanif Mohammad
GS Sobers
RB Kanhai
KC Bland
*JR Reid
+ATW Grout
CC Griffith
WW Hall
LR Gibbs

No Graeme Pollock, but apart from that it looks very close to the best possible RoW side in 1965. The first match was badly affected by rain
and was drawn. The second match was abandoned without a ball bowled. A footnote to the scorecard reads "When play was not possible until late
on the second day it was agreed to play a single innings match of 70
overs (so not first-class)." The Nawab of Pataudi replaced Eddie Barlow
for that match. The RoW XI won by 9 wickets, with Sobers' bowling
figures being 15-6-22-5 - not bad for a limited overs match!
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Odd characters in? I got that Greek oneOn Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:17:37
+0100, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

In message <rg3RQfAUjAifFwwM@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall ><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrCnZ2dnUU7-WnNnZ2d@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka >><Dechucka1@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid- >>>>dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was >>probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

Didn't realise there were Rest of the World tests that early. Thanks

They weren't Tests, even unofficially, just festival games.

Having down a bit of digging, they were 3-day games.

"England" v "ROW" was a regular fixture at the Scarborough Festival.
It might sometimes be called DB Close's XI v R Benaud's XI, but there
was just about always something that approximated.

Cheers,

Mike
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On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:32:38 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrC...@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid- >>dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was
probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

In contention at least
I'd consider Sutcliffe and Donnelly to have pretty decent cases (although Donnelly admittedly played very few tests)

Collinge & Taylor from the bowling side have some claims as well
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In message <0167eb6c-ebee-4457-b5f3-ec76cc04e693n@googlegroups.com>,
Hamish Laws <hamish.laws@gmail.com> writes

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:32:38 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrC...@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka
<Dech...@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid-
dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was
probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

In contention at least
I'd consider Sutcliffe and Donnelly to have pretty decent cases
(although Donnelly admittedly played very few tests)

Yes, if he'd played more he'd have been in contention. Sutcliffe was
never quite the same after being hit on the head by a fast bowler (this
was before helmets, of course).

Collinge & Taylor from the bowling side have some claims as well

I'd argue that they were good rather than great.
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 06:10:16 -0700 (PDT), Hamish Laws
<hamish.laws@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:32:38 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrC...@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka
<Dech...@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid- >> >>dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was
probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

In contention at least
I'd consider Sutcliffe and Donnelly to have pretty decent cases (although Donnelly admittedly played very few tests)

I suspect that Donnelly would have been seen as easily the best player
of the three if he'd had a career of conventional length, but he
didn't, so he's not, and it has to remain a suspicion.

Cheers,

Mike
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On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 2:10:18 PM UTC+1, Hamish Laws wrote:

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:32:38 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrC...@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid- >>dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

In contention at least
I'd consider Sutcliffe and Donnelly to have pretty decent cases (although Donnelly admittedly played very few tests)

Collinge & Taylor from the bowling side have some claims as well

You have missed CS "Stewie" Dempster.

Competition Test FC
Matches 10 184
Runs scored 723 12145

and Jack Cowie
Wickets 45 359
Bowling average 21.53 22.28

RH

Batting average 65.72 44.98
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On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:36:27 AM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:

In message <0167eb6c-ebee-4457...@googlegroups.com>,
Hamish Laws <hamis...@gmail.com> writes

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:32:38 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrC...@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka
<Dech...@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid- >> >>dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was
probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

In contention at least
I'd consider Sutcliffe and Donnelly to have pretty decent cases
(although Donnelly admittedly played very few tests)

Yes, if he'd played more he'd have been in contention. Sutcliffe was
never quite the same after being hit on the head by a fast bowler (this
was before helmets, of course).

Collinge & Taylor from the bowling side have some claims as well

I'd argue that they were good rather than great.

I'd find it hard to call Reid great. Batting and bowling averages both 33 Taylor with 111 wickets @ 26 is pretty solid
Reid had 1 100 from 36 innings vs England and 16 wickets @ 36.5 at under a wicket a match
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On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 7:41:53 AM UTC+1, RH156RH wrote:

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 2:10:18 PM UTC+1, Hamish Laws wrote:

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:32:38 PM UTC+11, John Hall wrote:

In message <xv2dnbBQkYIKyRrC...@westnet.com.au>, Dechucka <Dech...@hotmail.com> writes

On 15/10/2020 1:51 am, Hamish Laws wrote:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/cricket-new-zealand-great-john-r-reid-

dies-at-92/JU63RUK4Z7CDKO2JGQNHFWT764/

RIP. Prior to Richard Hadlee and Martin Crowe coming along, he was probably the greatest NZ cricketer.

In contention at least
I'd consider Sutcliffe and Donnelly to have pretty decent cases (although Donnelly admittedly played very few tests)

Collinge & Taylor from the bowling side have some claims as well

You have missed CS "Stewie" Dempster.

Competition Test FC
Matches 10 184
Runs scored 723 12145
Batting average 65.72 44.98

Test FC
and Jack Cowie
Wickets 45 359
Bowling average 21.53 22.28

RH
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