• Re: DotD?

    From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 09:48:51 2020
    On 14/09/2020 7:11 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Albon


    Was Ricciardo, but could equally have been Albon IMO.

    geof
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 13 16:31:30 2020
    On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 3:48:59 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    Was Ricciardo, but could equally have been Albon IMO.

    fence sitting pussy fart as usual
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  • From FB@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 12:03:30 2020
    Bernd Mayl|nnder


    FB
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 09:57:24 2020
    On 2020-09-14 8:03 a.m., FB wrote:
    Bernd Mayl|nnder


    Oh, very good...

    :-)
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  • From Heron@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 14:08:41 2020
    On 9/13/2020 2:11 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Albon

    Clearly Lewis Hamilton, the guy who won
    the pole, the race and the fastest lap.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 14 12:24:42 2020
    On 2020-09-14 12:08 p.m., Heron wrote:
    On 9/13/2020 2:11 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Albon

    Clearly Lewis Hamilton, the guy who won
    the pole, the race and the fastest lap.

    So you would say definitely then that Bottas would have taken DotD if
    Hamilton had been absent for this race...

    ...right?

    :-)
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 15 11:32:47 2020
    On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 12:08:30 PM UTC-7, Heron wrote:
    On 9/13/2020 2:11 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Albon

    Clearly Lewis Hamilton, the guy who won
    the pole, the race and the fastest lap.

    ROLOL
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 28 10:27:39 2020
    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez


    +1

    geoff
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  • From larkim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 27 21:00:43 2020
    On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 22:27:47 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez


    +1

    geoff
    Honourable mention for Kvyat?
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Sep 27 22:07:41 2020
    On Sunday, September 27, 2020 at 9:00:45 PM UTC-7, larkim wrote:
    On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 22:27:47 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez


    +1

    geoff
    Honourable mention for Kvyat?

    +1
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  • From keithr0@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 28 22:00:29 2020
    On 9/28/2020 7:27 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez


    +1

    geoff


    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him for
    Vettel.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 29 02:22:34 2020
    On 29/09/2020 1:00 am, keithr0 wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 7:27 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez


    +1

    geoff


    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him for Vettel.

    They should have. For the last couple of years at least Perez has been a better driver than Vettel
    - and Perez brings a bunch of money with him too which doesn't hurt. I can only imagine Vettel will
    want paying a sum commensurate with his 4 x WDC standing.
    --
    Shaun.

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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 28 18:26:39 2020
    keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 7:27 AM, geoff wrote:
    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez



    geoff


    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him for Vettel.


    I seem to remember that Checo was very helpful to the team during the negotiations which resulted in Force India becoming Racing Point so they
    have every reason to be grateful to him. But in the rCLPirhana ClubrCY that is F1 loyalty doesnrCOt count for much of course.

    I agree with you that RP may well come to regret dumping a talented driver
    who is still hungry for one who is increasingly looking like a has-been.

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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 28 15:29:43 2020
    On 9/28/2020 2:26 PM, Sir Tim wrote:> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez

    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him
    for Vettel.

    I seem to remember that Checo was very helpful to the team during
    the negotiations which resulted in Force India becoming Racing Point
    so they have every reason to be grateful to him.

    Yes, he sued the team for unpaid salary in order to force them into administration so they could be pried more-or-less intact from Vijay's
    grasp:

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/24218306/sergio-perez-explains-reason-taking-legal-action-force-india

    I agree with you that RP may well come to regret dumping a talented
    driver who is still hungry for one who is increasingly looking like a has-been.

    A move that IMO is only understandable on publicity (for Aston Martin)
    grounds.

    --
    Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 29 12:48:59 2020
    On 29/09/2020 8:29 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 2:26 PM, Sir Tim wrote:> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:

    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez

    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him
    for Vettel.

    I seem to remember that Checo was very helpful to the team during
    the negotiations which resulted in Force India becoming Racing Point
    so they have every reason to be grateful to him.

    Yes, he sued the team for unpaid salary in order to force them into administration so they could be pried more-or-less intact from Vijay's
    grasp:

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/24218306/sergio-perez-explains-reason-taking-legal-action-force-india


    I agree with you that RP may well come to regret dumping a talented
    driver who is still hungry for one who is increasingly looking like a has-been.

    A move that IMO is only understandable on publicity (for Aston Martin) grounds.

    I've heard that side of it too but really what would be better for AM - a has-been being beaten by
    the team principle's average son or a hungry driver fighting for and getting good points?

    I guess Vettel's value will be in media briefings and new car demos and unveils rather than on
    track. IMO AM would have been better off keeping Perez for racing and employing Button for the
    media stuff. After all part of AMs schtick is it's Britishness surely?
    --
    Shaun.

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    in the DSM"
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Sep 28 20:58:57 2020
    On 9/28/2020 7:48 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
    I guess Vettel's value will be in media briefings and new car demos
    and unveils rather than on track. IMO AM would have been better off
    keeping Perez for racing and employing Button for the media stuff.
    After all part of AMs schtick is it's Britishness surely?

    Pretty sure they're not pairing pink and green on aesthetic grounds.

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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 29 16:06:27 2020
    On 29/09/2020 1:58 pm, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 7:48 PM, ~misfit~ wrote:
    I guess Vettel's value will be in media briefings and new car demos
    and unveils rather than on track. IMO AM would have been better off
    keeping Perez for racing and employing Button for the media stuff.
    After all part of AMs schtick is it's Britishness surely?

    Pretty sure they're not pairing pink and green on aesthetic grounds.

    Heh!
    --
    Shaun.

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    in the DSM"
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  • From keithr0@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 29 15:53:25 2020
    On 9/29/2020 9:48 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/09/2020 8:29 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 2:26 PM, Sir Tim wrote:> keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez

    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him
    for Vettel.

    I seem to remember that Checo was very helpful to the team during
    the negotiations which resulted in Force India becoming Racing Point
    so they have every reason to be grateful to him.

    Yes, he sued the team for unpaid salary in order to force them into
    administration so they could be pried more-or-less intact from Vijay's
    grasp:

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/24218306/sergio-perez-explains-reason-taking-legal-action-force-india


    I agree with you that RP may well come to regret dumping a talented
    driver who is still hungry for one who is increasingly looking like a
    has-been.

    A move that IMO is only understandable on publicity (for Aston Martin)
    grounds.

    I've heard that side of it too but really what would be better for AM -
    a has-been being beaten by the team principle's average son or a hungry driver fighting for and getting good points?

    Thats a good point, maybe the team owners average son had some say in
    the matter.

    I guess Vettel's value will be in media briefings and new car demos and unveils rather than on track. IMO AM would have been better off keeping Perez for racing and employing Button for the media stuff. After all
    part of AMs schtick is it's Britishness surely?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 29 00:49:54 2020
    On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/09/2020 8:29 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 2:26 PM, Sir Tim wrote:> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote:

    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez

    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him
    for Vettel.

    I seem to remember that Checo was very helpful to the team during
    the negotiations which resulted in Force India becoming Racing Point
    so they have every reason to be grateful to him.

    Yes, he sued the team for unpaid salary in order to force them into administration so they could be pried more-or-less intact from Vijay's grasp:

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/24218306/sergio-perez-explains-reason-taking-legal-action-force-india


    I agree with you that RP may well come to regret dumping a talented driver who is still hungry for one who is increasingly looking like a has-been.

    A move that IMO is only understandable on publicity (for Aston Martin) grounds.
    I've heard that side of it too but really what would be better for AM - a has-been being beaten by
    the team principle's average son or a hungry driver fighting for and getting good points?

    I guess Vettel's value will be in media briefings and new car demos and unveils rather than on
    track. IMO AM would have been better off keeping Perez for racing and employing Button for the
    media stuff. After all part of AMs schtick is it's Britishness surely?
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 29 00:57:32 2020
    On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 1:49:56 AM UTC-6, texas gate wrote:
    On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 5:49:03 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/09/2020 8:29 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 2:26 PM, Sir Tim wrote:> keithr0 <us...@account.invalid> wrote:

    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez

    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him
    for Vettel.

    I seem to remember that Checo was very helpful to the team during
    the negotiations which resulted in Force India becoming Racing Point so they have every reason to be grateful to him.

    Yes, he sued the team for unpaid salary in order to force them into administration so they could be pried more-or-less intact from Vijay's grasp:

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/24218306/sergio-perez-explains-reason-taking-legal-action-force-india


    I agree with you that RP may well come to regret dumping a talented driver who is still hungry for one who is increasingly looking like a has-been.

    A move that IMO is only understandable on publicity (for Aston Martin) grounds.
    I've heard that side of it too but really what would be better for AM - a has-been being beaten by
    the team principle's average son or a hungry driver fighting for and getting good points?

    I guess Vettel's value will be in media briefings and new car demos and unveils rather than on
    track. IMO AM would have been better off keeping Perez for racing and employing Button for the
    media stuff. After all part of AMs schtick is it's Britishness surely?
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Sep 29 22:02:47 2020
    On 29/09/2020 6:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
    On 9/29/2020 9:48 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 29/09/2020 8:29 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 9/28/2020 2:26 PM, Sir Tim wrote:> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote: >>>
    On 28/09/2020 8:24 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Perez

    I wonder if RP are beginning to have misgivings about booting him
    for Vettel.

    I seem to remember that Checo was very helpful to the team during
    the negotiations which resulted in Force India becoming Racing Point >>> -a> so they have every reason to be grateful to him.

    Yes, he sued the team for unpaid salary in order to force them into
    administration so they could be pried more-or-less intact from Vijay's
    grasp:

    https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/24218306/sergio-perez-explains-reason-taking-legal-action-force-india


    I agree with you that RP may well come to regret dumping a talented
    driver who is still hungry for one who is increasingly looking like a >>> -a> has-been.

    A move that IMO is only understandable on publicity (for Aston Martin)
    grounds.

    I've heard that side of it too but really what would be better for AM - a has-been being beaten
    by the team principle's average son or a hungry driver fighting for and getting good points?

    Thats a good point, maybe the team owners average son had some say in the matter.

    I'm thinking that he did - but maybe through his father (who after all has shares in AM now too,
    that's a lot invested in his son). What better boost for Lance's career (and answer to his
    detractors) than him beating The Great Seb Vettel?

    I guess Vettel's value will be in media briefings and new car demos and unveils rather than on
    track. IMO AM would have been better off keeping Perez for racing and employing Button for the
    media stuff. After all part of AMs schtick is it's Britishness surely?
    --
    Shaun.

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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Oct 11 17:40:26 2020
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 12 15:04:16 2020
    On 12/10/2020 1:40 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.


    Not to forget PER, who in the end just didn't quite have the car to pip RIC.

    geoff
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Oct 11 22:08:26 2020
    On 10/11/2020 8:40 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.

    And at the other end of the scale: Albon.
    --
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 12 15:53:55 2020
    On 12/10/2020 3:08 pm, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 10/11/2020 8:40 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.

    And at the other end of the scale:-a Albon.


    Yeah. Not his best effort !

    geoff
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 12 08:03:23 2020
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 10/11/2020 8:40 PM, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.

    And at the other end of the scale: Albon.

    Yes. I have always believed in Albon but he has had his chances (more than Gasly got) and muffed it. He has to go.

    --
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 12 08:03:23 2020
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2020 1:40 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.


    Not to forget PER, who in the end just didn't quite have the car to pip RIC.

    But I think he might have done if it hadnrCOt been for the safety car.

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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 12 23:46:21 2020
    On 12/10/2020 9:03 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2020 1:40 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.


    Not to forget PER, who in the end just didn't quite have the car to pip RIC. >>
    But I think he might have done if it hadnrCOt been for the safety car.

    I don't think he would have despite the commentators saying for several laps that he was going to.
    In fact Brundle had just started to revise 'their' position on the subject when the safety car was
    called.
    Put simply Perez wasn't doing enough and the tyre delta between the cars was dropping fast. Also
    Dan was mostly in free air and was tyre saving.

    I think Perez had a better chance after the safety car than before and was surprised that he wasn't
    up to the task. That Racing Point is generally faster on the straights than the Renault and I
    thought Dan was done for after the SC.
    Luckily for my pool pick for the podium positions he held on!
    --
    Shaun.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 13 10:41:18 2020
    On 12/10/2020 11:46 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 12/10/2020 9:03 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 12/10/2020 1:40 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Several candidates in a more exciting race than usual.

    I think Ricciardo takes it with HMs to Hulkenberg and LeClerc.


    Not to forget PER, who in the end just didn't quite have the car to
    pip RIC.

    But I think he might have done if it hadnrCOt been for the safety car.

    I don't think he would have despite the commentators saying for several
    laps that he was going to. In fact Brundle had just started to revise 'their' position on the subject when the safety car was called.
    Put simply Perez wasn't doing enough and the tyre delta between the cars
    was dropping fast. Also Dan was mostly in free air and was tyre saving.

    I think Perez had a better chance after the safety car than before and
    was surprised that he wasn't up to the task. That Racing Point is
    generally faster on the straights than the Renault and I thought Dan was done for after the SC.
    Luckily for my pool pick for the podium positions he held on!


    "Not up to the task", or tyre delta to RIC limited his cornering to the
    point the car was not able to quite get there, even with DRS, up to the
    next corner to repeat all over again.

    Anyway, nice to see the big horizontal banana beaming under RIC's face-mask.

    geoff
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Oct 25 11:18:38 2020
    Gasly
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 15:59:14 2020
    On 26/10/2020 7:18 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Gasly


    Perez, again.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 10:57:55 2020
    geoff wrote:

    On 26/10/2020 7:18 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Gasly


    Perez, again.


    I went as far as voting Perez a couple of laps before the end for his
    great comeback from the 1st lap incident without the help of a safety
    car. Come the end of the race I think Gasly deserved a share.

    Side note. Throughout the field there are a number of drivers
    consistently outperforming their teammates not just in point scoring
    and luck but in obvious ability to get the more from the car. There's
    only a couple of teams in which you couldn't instantly identify the
    better driver.

    --
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    Heron
    Enjoy!
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 05:09:05 2020
    On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 5:18:40 AM UTC+11, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Gasly

    Kimi .
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 10:51:28 2020
    Lots of good racing in the mid pack this weekend.
    I give it to Perez with Riccardo and R|nikk||nen a close send and third.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 22:10:07 2020
    Perez again. Pity the team pitted him and probably lost a podium.

    Heartbreak for Gasly and Russell.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 2 11:29:58 2020
    On 2/11/2020 7:51 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Lots of good racing in the mid pack this weekend.

    I give it to Perez with Riccardo and R|nikk||nen a close send and third.


    +1
    geoff
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 15:12:12 2020
    On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:51:30 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Lots of good racing in the mid pack this weekend.

    I give it to Perez with Riccardo and R|nikk||nen a close send and third.
    Lol, I posted this in a separate post and it got locked to this old one.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 2 13:48:57 2020
    On 2/11/2020 12:12 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:51:30 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Lots of good racing in the mid pack this weekend.

    I give it to Perez with Riccardo and R|nikk||nen a close send and third.

    Lol, I posted this in a separate post and it got locked to this old one.

    googlegroups.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 2 06:49:45 2020
    On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 5:49:00 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 2/11/2020 12:12 pm, XYXPDQ wrote:
    On Sunday, November 1, 2020 at 10:51:30 AM UTC-8, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Lots of good racing in the mid pack this weekend.

    I give it to Perez with Riccardo and R|nikk||nen a close send and third.

    Lol, I posted this in a separate post and it got locked to this old one.
    googlegroups.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
    fuck off
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 2 09:53:00 2020
    On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 12:18:40 PM UTC-6, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Gasly

    thanks john
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 12:03:11 2020
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 12:11:06 2020
    On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 12:03:11 +0000, Geoff May wrote:

    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    The main reason for Lewis' win to day was the simple expediency of
    keeping the car pointing forwards (no mean feat in those conditions)
    but I think I will give DOTD to Seb simply because of how many places he
    made up.




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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 01:53:38 2020
    On 16/11/2020 1:11 am, alister wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 12:03:11 +0000, Geoff May wrote:

    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    The main reason for Lewis' win to day was the simple expediency of
    keeping the car pointing forwards (no mean feat in those conditions)
    but I think I will give DOTD to Seb simply because of how many places he
    made up.






    And maybe Checo too, for not fucking up. Or maybe it was just a bit more
    than that ....

    geoff
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 12:57:58 2020
    On 15/11/2020 12:53, geoff wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 1:11 am, alister wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 12:03:11 +0000, Geoff May wrote:

    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    The main reason for Lewis' win to day was the simple expediency of
    keeping the car pointing forwards (no mean feat in those conditions)
    but I think I will give DOTD to Seb simply because of how many places he
    made up.

    And maybe Checo too, for not fucking up. Or maybe it was just a bit more than that ....

    Today's race has made that decision hard.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 17:18:48 2020
    On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 01:53:38 +1300, geoff wrote:

    On 16/11/2020 1:11 am, alister wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 12:03:11 +0000, Geoff May wrote:

    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    The main reason for Lewis' win to day was the simple expediency of
    keeping the car pointing forwards (no mean feat in those conditions)
    but I think I will give DOTD to Seb simply because of how many places
    he made up.






    And maybe Checo too, for not fucking up. Or maybe it was just a bit more
    than that ....

    geoff

    As I aid keeping it on track & facing the right was was no easy task
    & yes Chico could also be in the running for DOTD today
    A very hard call



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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 11:58:02 2020
    Hamilton, he was patient early and then pounced when the track came to him.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 22:23:30 2020
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings:
    1. A man who has people working for him, especially servants or slaves.
    2. A skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is rCLmasterlyrCY.
    Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Darryl Johnson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 17:35:21 2020
    On 2020-11-15 5:23 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings:
    1. A man who has people working for him, especially servants or slaves.
    2. A skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is rCLmasterlyrCY.
    Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).


    Could Sir Tim's hobby horse by Driver of the Day?

    I know I can be a bit pedantic from time to time, although I do try to
    hide it from people with whom I am not on a first name basis. But I
    have to admit this bit of arcane lore -- the correct application of "masterful" or "masterly" -- is totally new to me. I will have to seek
    out an opportunity to apply this new knowledge and befuddle my friends.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 22:57:50 2020
    Darryl Johnson <Darryl_Johnson@rogers.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-15 5:23 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings:
    1. A man who has people working for him, especially servants or slaves.
    2. A skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is rCLmasterlyrCY.
    Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).


    Could Sir Tim's hobby horse by Driver of the Day?

    I know I can be a bit pedantic from time to time, although I do try to
    hide it from people with whom I am not on a first name basis. But I
    have to admit this bit of arcane lore -- the correct application of "masterful" or "masterly" -- is totally new to me. I will have to seek
    out an opportunity to apply this new knowledge and befuddle my friends.

    I donrCOt think there is anything arcane about using language correctly. I
    was taught the difference between these words at primary school, but, of course, that was long before the advent of SMS and Twitter, which have
    tended to make any subtleties of language seem superfluous and pedantic.

    --
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 12:00:30 2020
    On 16/11/2020 11:57 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Darryl Johnson <Darryl_Johnson@rogers.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-15 5:23 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings:
    1. A man who has people working for him, especially servants or slaves.
    2. A skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is rCLmasterlyrCY.
    Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).


    Could Sir Tim's hobby horse by Driver of the Day?

    I know I can be a bit pedantic from time to time, although I do try to
    hide it from people with whom I am not on a first name basis. But I
    have to admit this bit of arcane lore -- the correct application of
    "masterful" or "masterly" -- is totally new to me. I will have to seek
    out an opportunity to apply this new knowledge and befuddle my friends.

    I donrCOt think there is anything arcane about using language correctly. I was taught the difference between these words at primary school, but, of course, that was long before the advent of SMS and Twitter, which have
    tended to make any subtleties of language seem superfluous and pedantic.


    Cum on - get over it already !

    geoff
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 23:06:23 2020
    On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 22:57:50 +0000, Sir Tim wrote:

    Darryl Johnson <Darryl_Johnson@rogers.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-15 5:23 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings:
    1. A man who has people working for him, especially servants or
    slaves.
    2. A skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is
    rCLmasterlyrCY.
    Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).


    Could Sir Tim's hobby horse by Driver of the Day?

    I know I can be a bit pedantic from time to time, although I do try to
    hide it from people with whom I am not on a first name basis. But I
    have to admit this bit of arcane lore -- the correct application of
    "masterful" or "masterly" -- is totally new to me. I will have to seek
    out an opportunity to apply this new knowledge and befuddle my friends.

    I donrCOt think there is anything arcane about using language correctly. I was taught the difference between these words at primary school, but, of course, that was long before the advent of SMS and Twitter, which have
    tended to make any subtleties of language seem superfluous and pedantic.

    interesting not least because i would have interpreted them exactly the opposite way



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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 23:41:35 2020
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:57 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Darryl Johnson <Darryl_Johnson@rogers.com> wrote:
    On 2020-11-15 5:23 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings:
    1. A man who has people working for him, especially servants or slaves. >>>> 2. A skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is rCLmasterlyrCY.
    Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).


    Could Sir Tim's hobby horse by Driver of the Day?

    I know I can be a bit pedantic from time to time, although I do try to
    hide it from people with whom I am not on a first name basis. But I
    have to admit this bit of arcane lore -- the correct application of
    "masterful" or "masterly" -- is totally new to me. I will have to seek
    out an opportunity to apply this new knowledge and befuddle my friends.

    I donrCOt think there is anything arcane about using language correctly. I >> was taught the difference between these words at primary school, but, of
    course, that was long before the advent of SMS and Twitter, which have
    tended to make any subtleties of language seem superfluous and pedantic.


    Cum on - get over it already !


    Efye

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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 19:46:12 2020
    On 11/15/2020 5:57 PM, Sir Tim wrote:

    On 2020-11-15 5:23 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:

    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for
    his masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings: 1. A man who has
    people working for him, especially servants or slaves. 2. A
    skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is
    rCLmasterlyrCY. Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).

    I donrCOt think there is anything arcane about using language
    correctly. I was taught the difference between these words at primary
    school, but, of course, that was long before the advent of SMS and
    Twitter, which have tended to make any subtleties of language seem superfluous and pedantic.

    I took a quick look at my copy of the OED (which predates SMS and
    Twitter) and found, for "masterful":

    "3. Characterized by the skill that constitutes a master; masterly."

    which however continues

    "Now only in somewhat rhetorical use, with mixture of sense 2:
    characterized by commanding power."

    So I conclude that, while not preferred, using "masterful" rather than "masterly" in the original context is not wrong.

    --
    Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
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    'somewhat likely' or 'very likely' to agree to answer
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 09:24:02 2020
    Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
    On 11/15/2020 5:57 PM, Sir Tim wrote:

    On 2020-11-15 5:23 p.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:

    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for
    his masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings: 1. A man who has
    people working for him, especially servants or slaves. 2. A
    skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is
    rCLmasterlyrCY. Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).

    I donrCOt think there is anything arcane about using language
    correctly. I was taught the difference between these words at primary
    school, but, of course, that was long before the advent of SMS and
    Twitter, which have tended to make any subtleties of language seem
    superfluous and pedantic.

    I took a quick look at my copy of the OED (which predates SMS and
    Twitter) and found, for "masterful":

    "3. Characterized by the skill that constitutes a master; masterly."

    which however continues

    "Now only in somewhat rhetorical use, with mixture of sense 2:
    characterized by commanding power."

    So I conclude that, while not preferred, using "masterful" rather than "masterly" in the original context is not wrong.

    The meaning of words changes with usage. Unfortunately rCLmasterfulrCY now seems to be used universally, particularly in the sporting press, to
    encompass both senses. Being a stuffy old fogey I persist in believing this
    to be a debasement, albeit a tiny one, of the language.

    As an example of changing usage, Mike HawthornrCOs grave, at Farnham,
    describes him as rCLa gay and gallant sportsmanrCY. Mike was definitely *not* gay in the modern sense of the word!

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 12:15:07 2020
    Geoff May wrote:

    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    FWIW Checo. Keeping his head on the last lap kind of sealed it.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Alan Baker
    Enjoy!
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 17:01:18 2020
    On 15/11/2020 22:23, Sir Tim wrote:
    Geoff May <GeoffMay_do_not_spam_me@nospam.com> wrote:
    I'm torn between LH for the masterful drive today and SV for his
    masterful drive.

    Sorry to be pedantic but this is a hobby horse of mine:

    The noun rCLmasterrCY has (at least) two meanings:
    1. A man who has people working for him, especially servants or slaves.
    2. A skilled practitioner of a particular art or activity.

    The adjective derived from (1) is rCLmasterfulrCY and from (2) is rCLmasterlyrCY.
    Thus HamiltonrCOs drive today was rCLmasterlyrCY.

    (Runs away and hides).

    I stand corrected and thank you :-)

    Cheers

    Geoff
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