my killfile became too long, time to leave...
FB <fb@nospam.com> wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)
Good luck!
On 15/10/2020 7:08 am, Mark wrote:
FB <fb@nospam.com> wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
I was thinking the same thing last night but I refuse to let the (ever increasing number of) self-important morons win. There are still good
people here with rational and insightful minds. I just wish they'd
post more and not engage the attention-seekers quite so much.
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)
I used to be in 'refuge' a few years back but was dropped. I can only
assume due to not logging into faecebook more than once every few months.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32Good luck!
Seconded. Rational on-topic discourse is the only thing that will keep
this group on track, you'll be missed.
On 2020-10-14 6:32 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 15/10/2020 7:08 am, Mark wrote:
FB <fb@nospam.com> wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
I was thinking the same thing last night but I refuse to let the (ever increasing number of) self-important morons win. There are still good people here with rational and insightful minds. I just wish they'd
post more and not engage the attention-seekers quite so much.
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)
I used to be in 'refuge' a few years back but was dropped. I can only assume due to not logging into faecebook more than once every few months.
Although I know I am fighting the incoming tide, I refuse to have
anything to do with Facebook or most of the other "social networks".
So it's newsgroups or nothing for me.
I do agree that ignoring the inanities is still the best approach, but
I have too often in the past given in to the urge to argue with them, despite knowing, as I once saw: "Never argue with an idiot. They'll
drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
So I can't take any kind of moral high ground when I see these types
of discussion. Stones and glass houses, you know. Still, I aspire to
do better.
On 15/10/2020 7:08 am, Mark wrote:
FB <f...@nospam.com> wrote:I was thinking the same thing last night but I refuse to let the (ever increasing number of)
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
self-important morons win. There are still good people here with rational and insightful minds. I
just wish they'd post more and not engage the attention-seekers quite so much.
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)I used to be in 'refuge' a few years back but was dropped. I can only assume due to not logging
into faecebook more than once every few months.
Good luck!
Seconded. Rational on-topic discourse is the only thing that will keep this group on track, you'll
be missed.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
On 2020-10-14 6:32 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 15/10/2020 7:08 am, Mark wrote:
FB <fb@nospam.com> wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
I was thinking the same thing last night but I refuse to let the (ever increasing number of)
self-important morons win. There are still good people here with rational and insightful minds. I
just wish they'd post more and not engage the attention-seekers quite so much.
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)
I used to be in 'refuge' a few years back but was dropped. I can only assume due to not logging
into faecebook more than once every few months.
Although I know I am fighting the incoming tide, I refuse to have anything to do with Facebook or
most of the other "social networks". So it's newsgroups or nothing for me.
I do agree that ignoring the inanities is still the best approach, but I have too often in the past
given in to the urge to argue with them, despite knowing, as I once saw: "Never argue with an
idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
So I can't take any kind of moral high ground when I see these types of discussion. Stones and
glass houses, you know. Still, I aspire to do better.
Good luck!
Seconded. Rational on-topic discourse is the only thing that will keep this group on track,
you'll be missed.
but gave in about 7 years ago
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
On 15/10/2020 12:18 pm, Darryl Johnson wrote:
On 2020-10-14 6:32 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 15/10/2020 7:08 am, Mark wrote:
FB <f...@nospam.com> wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
I was thinking the same thing last night but I refuse to let the (ever increasing number of)
self-important morons win. There are still good people here with rational and insightful minds. I
just wish they'd post more and not engage the attention-seekers quite so much.
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)
I used to be in 'refuge' a few years back but was dropped. I can only assume due to not logging
into faecebook more than once every few months.
Although I know I am fighting the incoming tide, I refuse to have anything to do with Facebook orI tried that but gave in about 7 years ago when my young nephews and nieces (who live overseas)
most of the other "social networks". So it's newsgroups or nothing for me.
essentially informed me that they'd only be communicating through facebook like they did with the
rest of the family - email was so last millennia! I opened an account and joined a few family chat
groups but quickly stopped using it much.
I do agree that ignoring the inanities is still the best approach, but I have too often in the past
given in to the urge to argue with them, despite knowing, as I once saw: "Never argue with an
idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
So I can't take any kind of moral high ground when I see these types of discussion. Stones and
glass houses, you know. Still, I aspire to do better.
Good luck!
Seconded. Rational on-topic discourse is the only thing that will keep this group on track,
you'll be missed.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
In article <rm8111$3ig$1@dont-email.me>, Darryl Johnson says...
On 2020-10-14 6:32 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 15/10/2020 7:08 am, Mark wrote:Although I know I am fighting the incoming tide, I refuse to have
FB <fb@nospam.com> wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
I was thinking the same thing last night but I refuse to let the (ever
increasing number of) self-important morons win. There are still good
people here with rational and insightful minds. I just wish they'd
post more and not engage the attention-seekers quite so much.
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)
I used to be in 'refuge' a few years back but was dropped. I can only
assume due to not logging into faecebook more than once every few months. >>
anything to do with Facebook or most of the other "social networks".
So it's newsgroups or nothing for me.
Agree on FB, even blocked it on my network.
Twitter can be useful though.
--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32I do agree that ignoring the inanities is still the best approach, but
I have too often in the past given in to the urge to argue with them,
despite knowing, as I once saw: "Never argue with an idiot. They'll
drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
So I can't take any kind of moral high ground when I see these types
of discussion. Stones and glass houses, you know. Still, I aspire to
do better.
The N key is incredibly useful here.
On 2020-10-14 6:32 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
On 15/10/2020 7:08 am, Mark wrote:
FB <fb@nospam.com> wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
I was thinking the same thing last night but I refuse to let the (ever
increasing number of) self-important morons win. There are still good
people here with rational and insightful minds. I just wish they'd
post more and not engage the attention-seekers quite so much.
See you in Razzers' Rescue! ;-)
I used to be in 'refuge' a few years back but was dropped. I can only
assume due to not logging into faecebook more than once every few months.
Although I know I am fighting the incoming tide, I refuse to have
anything to do with Facebook or most of the other "social networks".
So it's newsgroups or nothing for me.
I do agree that ignoring the inanities is still the best approach, but
I have too often in the past given in to the urge to argue with them, despite knowing, as I once saw: "Never argue with an idiot. They'll
drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."
So I can't take any kind of moral high ground when I see these types
of discussion. Stones and glass houses, you know. Still, I aspire to
do better.
Good luck!
Seconded. Rational on-topic discourse is the only thing that will keep
this group on track, you'll be missed.
my killfile became too long, time to leave...This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid. There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings (IMHO).
FB
On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 12:53:26 PM UTC-5, FB wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
FB
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
On 10/15/2020 9:32 AM, D Munz wrote:
On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 12:53:26 PM UTC-5, FB wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
FB
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did).-a I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count:-a 1 going on 2) as well
as subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
I did leave rasf1 for some years, prompted by vicious racism that
surfaced after 9/11, but the moderated group was still viable then.
On 10/15/2020 9:32 AM, D Munz wrote:
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did). I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count: 1 going on 2) as well as subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
I did leave rasf1 for some years, prompted by vicious racism that
surfaced after 9/11, but the moderated group was still viable then.
On 2020-10-15 11:06 a.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
On 10/15/2020 9:32 AM, D Munz wrote:
On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 12:53:26 PM UTC-5, FB wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
FB
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did).-a I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count:-a 1 going on 2) as well
as subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
I did leave rasf1 for some years, prompted by vicious racism that
surfaced after 9/11, but the moderated group was still viable then.
Re: Thunderbird kill file.
They don't call it a kill file, but a "filter". If you click on the
sender's name/address in the "From" box (either left or right click will
do) you will see an option to "Create Filter from...". Click this
option. A dialogue box will appear that allows you a number of options
for dealing with messages from that sender. I have mine set to "Delete messages".
On 10/15/2020 9:32 AM, D Munz wrote:
On Wednesday, October 14, 2020 at 12:53:26 PM UTC-5, FB wrote:
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
FB
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did).-a I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count:-a 1 going on 2) as well as subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
On 2020-10-15 8:06 a.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did).-a I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count:-a 1 going on 2) as well
as subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
Are you kidding?
Just use Message Filters
On 10/15/2020 2:03 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2020-10-15 8:06 a.m., Mark Jackson wrote:
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did).-a I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count:-a 1 going on 2) as well
as subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
Are you kidding?
Just use Message Filters
Don't need those either.-a See above.
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/15/2020 9:32 AM, D Munz wrote:
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did). I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count: 1 going on 2) as well as
subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
I did leave rasf1 for some years, prompted by vicious racism that
surfaced after 9/11, but the moderated group was still viable then.
I must have missed that era. I was on it (different account) in the
90s, but dropped out as kids took over my life. Then returned to a very different group about 15 years ago. The signal to noise ration had
dropped significantly, and I'm sorry to say that it's steadily dropped
since. There's enough going on to persevere - I don't use killfiles - but
I do understand the frustration that leads people to use them or
even abandon the group.
I find that most of the tedious stuff is limited to particular threads.
There are some out and out trolls, but my main concern is how many seem
to use this as a way to pick fights rather than try to understand
others' views.
I kind of hoped that as the number of regular posters dropped low
enough, it would have little interest to trolls...you live in hope!
The thing is that there has been a shift is social mores (largely bought on by social media and the
US lobbying system which uses these companies). For a long time a lot of people had attitudes such
as yours (which I greatly admire btw). However forces are driving 'us' to be less accepting of
differing views and into a confrontational mindset. (It's documented in 'The Social Dilemma', a
recent Netflix doco which features interviews with previous players in the big social manipulation
companies.)
So now the trolls aren't simply trolls, they're usually people with an interest in F1 but who are
intolerant of opposing views. These people aren't going away in a hurry due to the interest in F1
but also due to the way people are actively encourage (manipulated) into being evangelists, on
every little subject that they've been programmed to believe. Shades of grey and tolerance of
others have been replaced by 'us and them'.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
my killfile became too long, time to leave...
Shades of grey and tolerance of others have been replaced by
'us and them'.
On 16/10/2020 4:45 am, Mark wrote:
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/15/2020 9:32 AM, D Munz wrote:
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did). I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count: 1 going on 2) as well as >>> subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
I did leave rasf1 for some years, prompted by vicious racism that
surfaced after 9/11, but the moderated group was still viable then.
I must have missed that era. I was on it (different account) in the
90s, but dropped out as kids took over my life. Then returned to a very
different group about 15 years ago. The signal to noise ration had
dropped significantly, and I'm sorry to say that it's steadily dropped
since. There's enough going on to persevere - I don't use killfiles - but >> I do understand the frustration that leads people to use them or
even abandon the group.
I find that most of the tedious stuff is limited to particular threads.
There are some out and out trolls, but my main concern is how many seem
to use this as a way to pick fights rather than try to understand
others' views.
I kind of hoped that as the number of regular posters dropped low
enough, it would have little interest to trolls...you live in hope!
The thing is that there has been a shift is social mores (largely bought
on by social media and the
US lobbying system which uses these companies). For a long time a lot of people had attitudes such
as yours (which I greatly admire btw). However forces are driving 'us' to
be less accepting of
differing views and into a confrontational mindset. (It's documented in
'The Social Dilemma', a
recent Netflix doco which features interviews with previous players in
the big social manipulation
companies.)
So now the trolls aren't simply trolls, they're usually people with an interest in F1 but who are
intolerant of opposing views. These people aren't going away in a hurry
due to the interest in F1
but also due to the way people are actively encourage (manipulated) into being evangelists, on
every little subject that they've been programmed to believe. Shades of
grey and tolerance of
others have been replaced by 'us and them'.
Donald Trump
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 11:51:02 AM UTC-6, Sir Tim wrote:
Donald Trump
oh big bad donald trump.
saving your sorry ass from invasion right now
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> writes:
Shades of grey and tolerance of others have been replaced by
'us and them'.
You may find this interesting:
https://youarenotsosmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/185-Masks-v2.mp3 There's 15 minutes of (group-)psychological background science, and by
about 20 minutes in, when some real live humans are brought under the microscope, you'll know exactly how that science will be applied to
those cases, and the cases of othes, for the rest of the program, so at
about an hour it's perhaps is a bit padded out. I guess it depends on
how much you like watching autopsies.
Some of the traits seemed cartoonish, barely believable in rational
humans, but the g/f reported that she'd witnessed some of them first
hand from people we both know.
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16/10/2020 4:45 am, Mark wrote:
Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/15/2020 9:32 AM, D Munz wrote:
This is an interesting position to me. I primarily check in here
through Google Groups so killfiling isn't an option but there are
really only one or two folks who's postings I deliberately avoid.
There is other noise but it doesn't overwhelm the value postings
(IMHO).
I use Thunderbird as my newsreader; AFAIK it has no killfile support
(and I never used one back when I had a newsreader that did). I skip
over stuff from useless trolls (current count: 1 going on 2) as well as >>>> subject threads that have devolved into pointless back-and-forth.
I did leave rasf1 for some years, prompted by vicious racism that
surfaced after 9/11, but the moderated group was still viable then.
I must have missed that era. I was on it (different account) in the
90s, but dropped out as kids took over my life. Then returned to a very >>> different group about 15 years ago. The signal to noise ration had
dropped significantly, and I'm sorry to say that it's steadily dropped
since. There's enough going on to persevere - I don't use killfiles - but >>> I do understand the frustration that leads people to use them or
even abandon the group.
I find that most of the tedious stuff is limited to particular threads.
There are some out and out trolls, but my main concern is how many seem
to use this as a way to pick fights rather than try to understand
others' views.
I kind of hoped that as the number of regular posters dropped low
enough, it would have little interest to trolls...you live in hope!
The thing is that there has been a shift is social mores (largely bought
on by social media and the
US lobbying system which uses these companies). For a long time a lot of
people had attitudes such
as yours (which I greatly admire btw). However forces are driving 'us' to
be less accepting of
differing views and into a confrontational mindset. (It's documented in
'The Social Dilemma', a
recent Netflix doco which features interviews with previous players in
the big social manipulation
companies.)
So now the trolls aren't simply trolls, they're usually people with an
interest in F1 but who are
intolerant of opposing views. These people aren't going away in a hurry
due to the interest in F1
but also due to the way people are actively encourage (manipulated) into
being evangelists, on
every little subject that they've been programmed to believe. Shades of
grey and tolerance of
others have been replaced by 'us and them'.
This polarization has been particularly marked in the UK and the USA.
In
Britain, our membership of the EEC, later the EU, has always been a mildly contentious issue but it was only after the government decided to hold a referendum on the matter that the whole issue became tribal. Intemperate comment from both sides on social media fueled divisions (which were often not even remotely concerned with the economic benefits, or otherwise, of membership), families were divided and an enmity was created from which it may take years for us to recover.
In the USA Donald Trump has used social media, particularly Twitter, to promote his own, clearly narcissistic, personalty; to denigrate in puerile language anyone who disagrees with him; to promulgate falsehoods and blatantly to promote the interests of the Republican Party. The hostility
and international ridicule that his pronouncements have attracted have
only served to intensify the almost religious fervour of his supporters.
Everyone who uses social media should watch rCyThe Social DilemmarCO.
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she was
bought up in by religious
parents so learned to be tolerant of religions. (A great trait for the
leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like "A team
of five million" and
rallied everyone to think not only of themselves but of their neighbours
and compatriots. The
message around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for others'.
On 17/10/2020 12:34 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> writes:
Shades of grey and tolerance of others have been replaced by
'us and them'.
You may find this interesting:
https://youarenotsosmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/185-Masks-v2.mp3
There's 15 minutes of (group-)psychological background science, and by
about 20 minutes in, when some real live humans are brought under the
microscope, you'll know exactly how that science will be applied to
those cases, and the cases of othes, for the rest of the program, so at
about an hour it's perhaps is a bit padded out. I guess it depends on
how much you like watching autopsies.
Some of the traits seemed cartoonish, barely believable in rational
humans, but the g/f reported that she'd witnessed some of them first
hand from people we both know.
Thanks Phil, I listened to the first part. Homo Sapiens have always been prone to band together and take sides. In fact it was this very
tribalism that allowed them to displace / subsume the stronger, smarter
and better adapted Neanderthals (who were more solitary, living in
family groups and also not as fecund as sapiens).
However it's a trait that's had it's day. Now we're living cheek-by-jowl it's the last thing society needs. It seemed to be on the decline in
western society up until quite recently. However now it seems we've
turned a corner into territory where we're letting bad actors appeal to
our baser instincts, largely through the media that's antisocial.
(Note in the experiments discussed in the podcast it was usually an 'overseer' who designated the groups. Another related evolutionary
hangover is the herd mentality, the desire to not have to think too
much, rather be told what to do. Sadly lately we have developed an inordinate number of Judas goats
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_goat> who revel in their new roles.)
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she was
bought up in by religious
parents so learned to be tolerant of religions. (A great trait for the
leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like "A team
of five million" and
rallied everyone to think not only of themselves but of their neighbours
and compatriots. The
message around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
On 17/10/2020 2:31 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 17/10/2020 12:34 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> writes:
Shades of grey and tolerance of others have been replaced by
'us and them'.
You may find this interesting:
https://youarenotsosmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/185-Masks-v2.mp3 >>> There's 15 minutes of (group-)psychological background science, and by
about 20 minutes in, when some real live humans are brought under the
microscope, you'll know exactly how that science will be applied to
those cases, and the cases of othes, for the rest of the program, so at
about an hour it's perhaps is a bit padded out. I guess it depends on
how much you like watching autopsies.
Some of the traits seemed cartoonish, barely believable in rational
humans, but the g/f reported that she'd witnessed some of them first
hand from people we both know.
Thanks Phil, I listened to the first part. Homo Sapiens have always been prone to band together
and take sides. In fact it was this very tribalism that allowed them to displace / subsume the
stronger, smarter and better adapted Neanderthals (who were more solitary, living in family
groups and also not as fecund as sapiens).
However it's a trait that's had it's day. Now we're living cheek-by-jowl it's the last thing
society needs. It seemed to be on the decline in western society up until quite recently. However
now it seems we've turned a corner into territory where we're letting bad actors appeal to our
baser instincts, largely through the media that's antisocial.
(Note in the experiments discussed in the podcast it was usually an 'overseer' who designated the
groups. Another related evolutionary hangover is the herd mentality, the desire to not have to
think too much, rather be told what to do. Sadly lately we have developed an inordinate number of
Judas goats <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_goat> who revel in their new roles.)
I thought you wanted to keep this F1-only and everybody else STFU or just FO .
On 17/10/2020 2:31 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 17/10/2020 12:34 am, Phil Carmody wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> writes:
Shades of grey and tolerance of others have been replaced by
'us and them'.
You may find this interesting:
https://youarenotsosmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/185-Masks-v2.mp3 >>> There's 15 minutes of (group-)psychological background science, and by
about 20 minutes in, when some real live humans are brought under the
microscope, you'll know exactly how that science will be applied to
those cases, and the cases of othes, for the rest of the program, so at
about an hour it's perhaps is a bit padded out. I guess it depends on
how much you like watching autopsies.
Some of the traits seemed cartoonish, barely believable in rational
humans, but the g/f reported that she'd witnessed some of them first
hand from people we both know.
Thanks Phil, I listened to the first part. Homo Sapiens have always
been prone to band together and take sides. In fact it was this very
tribalism that allowed them to displace / subsume the stronger,
smarter and better adapted Neanderthals (who were more solitary,
living in family groups and also not as fecund as sapiens).
However it's a trait that's had it's day. Now we're living
cheek-by-jowl it's the last thing society needs. It seemed to be on
the decline in western society up until quite recently. However now it
seems we've turned a corner into territory where we're letting bad
actors appeal to our baser instincts, largely through the media that's
antisocial.
(Note in the experiments discussed in the podcast it was usually an
'overseer' who designated the groups. Another related evolutionary
hangover is the herd mentality, the desire to not have to think too
much, rather be told what to do. Sadly lately we have developed an
inordinate number of Judas goats
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_goat> who revel in their new roles.)
I thought you wanted to keep this F1-only and everybody else STFU or
just FO .
I thought you wanted to keep this F1-only and everybody else STFU or
just FO .
Quote please? I'm sure that I said LARGELY F1 related and (paraphrasing) less childish fighting would be good. I see you're trying to pick yet another fight...
Intelligent discourse is never out of place - and is a refreshing change here of late.
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she was
bought up in by religious
parents so learned to be tolerant of religions. (A great trait for the
leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like "A team >>> of five million" and
rallied everyone to think not only of themselves but of their neighbours >>> and compatriots. The
message around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever had and compassion is a trait
that's often overlooked and an important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and nobody wants to change boats in the
middle of a dangerous river (my paraphrasing) and to a certain extent they're probably right. Still
I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she
was bought up in by religious parents so learned to be tolerant
of religions. (A great trait for the leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like
"A team of five million" and rallied everyone to think not only
of themselves but of their neighbours and compatriots. The
message around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for
others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever
had and compassion is a trait that's often overlooked and an
important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and
nobody wants to change boats in the middle of a dangerous river (my paraphrasing) and to a certain extent they're probably right. Still I
believe that the right person got the job tonight.
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she
was bought up in by religious parents so learned to be tolerant
of religions. (A great trait for the leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like
"A team of five million" and rallied everyone to think not only
of themselves but of their neighbours and compatriots. The
message around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for
others'.
Looks like sheAs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever
had and compassion is a trait that's often overlooked and an
important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and
nobody wants to change boats in the middle of a dangerous river (my
paraphrasing) and to a certain extent they're probably right. Still I
believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist >bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist
bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she
was bought up in by religious parents so learned to be tolerant
of religions. (A great trait for the leader of a multi-cultural society.) >>>>
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like
"A team of five million" and rallied everyone to think not only
of themselves but of their neighbours and compatriots. The message around wearing masks for
instance was 'do it for
others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever
had and compassion is a trait that's often overlooked and an
important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and
nobody wants to change boats in the middle of a dangerous river (my paraphrasing) and to a
certain extent they're probably right. Still I
-abelieve that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
On 10/18/2020 4:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist
bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
'Satire from The Borowitz Report', at the top
of the page, could have been one's first clue.
On 17/10/2020 11:47 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:Hey ass licker. What happened to your 'I come here to discuss F1'
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she was >>> bought up in by religious
parents so learned to be tolerant of religions. (A great trait for the >>> leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like "A team >>> of five million" and
rallied everyone to think not only of themselves but of their neighbours >>> and compatriots. The
message around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever had and compassion is a trait
that's often overlooked and an important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and nobody wants to change boats in theInteresting article on a local news site today that basically says what I said above about NZ
middle of a dangerous river (my paraphrasing) and to a certain extent they're probably right. Still
I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
following a different path to most of the world: <https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300135679/new-zealand-stands-together-as-the-world-burns>
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
On 19/10/2020 4:35 am, Mark Jackson wrote:Hey ass licker. What happened to your 'I come here to discuss F1'
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she
was bought up in by religious parents so learned to be tolerant
of religions. (A great trait for the leader of a multi-cultural society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like
"A team of five million" and rallied everyone to think not only
of themselves but of their neighbours and compatriots. The message around wearing masks for
instance was 'do it for
others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever
had and compassion is a trait that's often overlooked and an
important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and
nobody wants to change boats in the middle of a dangerous river (my paraphrasing) and to a
certain extent they're probably right. Still I
believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelectedLOL! Satire so close to what could actually be true it's scary. Thanks for that.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:Hey ass licker. What happened to your 'I come here to discuss F1'
~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she was
bought up in by religious
parents so learned to be tolerant of religions. (A great trait for the
leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like "A team >> of five million" and
rallied everyone to think not only of themselves but of their neighbours >> and compatriots. The
message around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever had and compassion is a trait
that's often overlooked and an important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and nobody wants to change boats in the
middle of a dangerous river (my paraphrasing) and to a certain extent they're probably right. Still
I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
On 10/18/2020 4:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist
bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
'Satire from The Borowitz Report', at the top
of the page, could have been one's first clue.
On 19/10/2020 10:32 am, Heron wrote:
On 10/18/2020 4:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist >>> bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
'Satire from The Borowitz Report', at the topThe real scary thing is that it is all quite feasible !
of the page, could have been one's first clue.
geoff
On 19/10/2020 4:35 am, Mark Jackson wrote:What happened to FB's funeral?
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she
was bought up in by religious parents so learned to be tolerant
of religions. (A great trait for the leader of a multi-cultural society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like
"A team of five million" and rallied everyone to think not only
of themselves but of their neighbours and compatriots. The message around wearing masks for
instance was 'do it for
others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever
had and compassion is a trait that's often overlooked and an
important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and
nobody wants to change boats in the middle of a dangerous river (my paraphrasing) and to a
certain extent they're probably right. Still I
believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelectedLOL! Satire so close to what could actually be true it's scary. Thanks for that.
--
Shaun.
"Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
in the DSM"
David Melville
This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
On 19/10/2020 10:32 am, Heron wrote:
On 10/18/2020 4:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjac...@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist >>> bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
'Satire from The Borowitz Report', at the topThe real scary thing is that it is all quite feasible !
of the page, could have been one's first clue.
geoff
On 10/18/2020 5:32 PM, Heron wrote:
On 10/18/2020 4:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist >>>> bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
'Satire from The Borowitz Report', at the top
of the page, could have been one's first clue.
Second clue, if one had bothered to look at the URL:
. . .www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump. . .
^^^^^
On 19/10/2020 10:32 am, Heron wrote:
On 10/18/2020 4:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist >>>> bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
'Satire from The Borowitz Report', at the top
of the page, could have been one's first clue.
The real scary thing is that it is all quite feasible !
geoff--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
On 19/10/2020 4:35 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 17/10/2020 9:15 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a Prime Minister who is an agnostic but explains that she
was bought up in by religious parents so learned to be tolerant
of religions. (A great trait for the leader of a multi-cultural
society.)
Then with the pandemic our PM started using inclusive terms like
"A team of five million" and rallied everyone to think not only
of themselves but of their neighbours and compatriots. The message
around wearing masks for instance was 'do it for
others'.
Looks like sherCOs going to get a thumping majority.
Yep - as she should. She's the most compassionate leader we've ever
had and compassion is a trait that's often overlooked and an
important one for the leader of a country.
Of course the opposition are saying it's a 'covid election' and
nobody wants to change boats in the middle of a dangerous river (my
paraphrasing) and to a certain extent they're probably right. Still I
-abelieve that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
LOL! Satire so close to what could actually be true it's scary. Thanks
for that.
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:47:15 -0400, Mark Jackson <mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 5:32 PM, Heron wrote:
On 10/18/2020 4:28 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 15:03:47 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/18/2020 1:53 PM, Martin Harran wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:35:04 -0400, Mark Jackson
<mjackson@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote:
On 10/17/2020 6:47 AM, ~misfit~ wrote:
The New Yorker has a bit of a history in satire that didn't quiteStill I believe that the right person got the job tonight.
https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-accuses-new-zealands-prime-minister-of-competently-handling-the-coronavirus-to-get-reelected
work as intended ... I think this could be another example :(
I presume the first sentence references the Barry Blitt "terrorist fist >>>>> bump" cover, but I don't understand the second.
I don't see those alleged remarks by Trump about Jacinda Ardern
reported anywhere else which suggests that it is a satirical piece.
'Satire from The Borowitz Report', at the top
of the page, could have been one's first clue.
Second clue, if one had bothered to look at the URL:
. . .www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump. . .
^^^^^
I didn't notice either of those things ... hence the second sentence
in my original comment.
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