• Improve the Spectacle! F1 Should Make These 'Ugly' Moves To ImproveRaci

    From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 13 09:24:41 2020
    Shyttier tyres, random sprinklers, what else?

    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a34198382/f1-should-make-these-ugly-moves-to-improve-racing/

    Maybe just improve the racing formula?

    What a concept.
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 13 11:12:05 2020
    Use weight penalties like others do (example: LeMans).
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  • From Darryl Johnson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 13 14:50:26 2020
    On 2020-10-13 2:12 p.m., XYXPDQ wrote:
    Use weight penalties like others do (example: LeMans).


    I am ambivalent about the various Balance of Performance methods that
    I have seen used in various series. For one thing, they tend to be
    used in series where you have different chassis, tire and engine
    combinations. There may be enough differences between the new Corvette
    and the latest Porsche in the same class that a BOP may help to negate
    the performance difference and make for a more competitive event.

    F1 is quite unlike those series. The engines are quite similar,
    although some builders obviously have done a better job than others.
    The chassis varies little between one team and another. Every year,
    the danger of F1 becoming a spec series grows. Everyone uses the same
    tires from the limited selection available at the tracks.

    On the other hand, I do agree that there isn't much interest -- for me
    -- in watching the same cars in the same order from one race to
    another. One would like to see *something* done to help Williams, as
    an example, be able to fight to podiums. (And the same for every other
    team, by the way.)

    To take weight penalties specifically, I can see at least one issue
    with them. That is, they should be recalculated to a value appropriate
    to the individual tracks. Where does extra weight have the greatest
    influence? Corners and acceleration, I would think -- not being a
    racing engineer. Tracks with more corners and more acceleration onto
    longer straights should have a lower weight penalty than tracks like
    Monza with few slow corners where acceleration away from a slow corner
    is less important. As a non-programmer, I would find this incredibly
    difficult to manage fairly.

    And, finally, I can see no way to account for driver ability from one
    car to another. Trying to code a BOP penalty to make up from the
    differences in driver skill -- which I still believe to be a huge
    factor in the overall performance -- would be at best arbitrary and at
    worst capricious in the extreme. Even a spec series, where there is
    relatively little difference between cars, the same drivers will
    usually come out in front, time after time.

    I may well be overlooking something that is obvious to everyone else.
    I suspect I fall into the "old fart" category who like to think of F1
    as a cutting edge series using all the best the engineers can think of
    to make their cars faster then all the others. The idea of F1 becoming
    a spec series is -- dare I say? -- anathema to me.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 13 12:15:12 2020

    I may well be overlooking something that is obvious to everyone else.
    I suspect I fall into the "old fart" category who like to think of F1
    as a cutting edge series using all the best the engineers can think of
    to make their cars faster then all the others. The idea of F1 becoming
    a spec series is -- dare I say? -- anathema to me.
    F1 is a spec series to a significant extent do to the silly number of rules about everything on the car. No one is is going to show up at testing with a six wheel car (for an extreme example) any more. Instead it's all about how close you can shave the rules.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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