• Racist Stewart at it Again

    From Heron@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 10:50:52 2020
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 11:59:12 2020
    On 10/6/2020 11:50 AM, Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/


    Far from it, shyte-styrrer!

    oTo say that Lewis is the greatest driver of all time, would be difficult for me to justify, if you understand me, in sheer power of what the other drivers were doing.

    oThere was a level playing field that simply doesnAt exist today, so therefore itAs difficult to identify who really are the very best racing drivers themselves from just behind the steering wheel.o
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 09:03:34 2020
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever know.

    rCLFrankly, the car (Mercedes) and the engine are now so superior itrCOs almost unfair on the rest of the fieldrCa itrCOs not quite the same respect
    if you like, of being able to do it in the less than the best car. And thatrCOs where sometimes thererCOs the difference between the very very
    great drivers and the ones that were very successful.rCY
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 10:12:42 2020
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he is
    not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    geoff
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 14:19:15 2020
    On 2020-10-06 2:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he is
    not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    He mentions absolutely nothing like that, Geoff.
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  • From News@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 17:28:30 2020
    On 10/6/2020 5:12 PM, geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he is
    not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    geoff


    Being 'up there' in the Golden Age of Motor Racing, Sir Jackie doesn't
    give a rat's ass.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 11:46:58 2020
    On 7/10/2020 10:19 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 2:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/ >>>>

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever know. >>>

    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he is
    not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    He mentions absolutely nothing like that, Geoff.


    Um, where did I suggest that he *mentioned* that ? Would you imagine
    that if he felt that way that he would mention it ?!!!

    geoff
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 16:46:11 2020
    On 2020-10-06 3:46 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 10:19 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 2:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/ >>>>>

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever
    know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he
    is not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    He mentions absolutely nothing like that, Geoff.


    Um, where did I suggest that he *mentioned* that ? Would you imagine
    that if he felt that way that he would mention it ?!!!

    What were you trying to say, Geoff?

    Are you trying to denigrate Jackie Stewart?

    :-)
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 12:55:33 2020
    On 7/10/2020 12:46 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 3:46 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 10:19 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 2:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/


    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever
    know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he
    is not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    He mentions absolutely nothing like that, Geoff.


    Um, where did I suggest that he *mentioned* that ? Would you imagine
    that if he felt that way that he would mention it ?!!!

    What were you trying to say, Geoff?

    Are you trying to denigrate Jackie Stewart?

    :-)

    Absolutely ;-)

    geoff
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 14:22:33 2020
    On 7/10/2020 10:12 am, geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he is not proposed as being 'up
    there' often enough.

    OK a lot of us already know this, consciously or otherwise but I'll write it out for people like
    Jackie Stewart (not that he'll get to read it or even care - he's above what common people think).
    Let's leave aside the evolution of the machinery for now, it's not what Stewart is making headline
    with.

    The thing that Stewart (and many others) fail to take into account is that during Fangio's* era the
    whole 'motor sport' thing was fairly new and largely the preserve of 'gentlemen'. Not only were the
    machines themselves primitive but also competitive driving itself was a new discipline that drew
    from tiny pool of potential racers.

    [* and also to a lesser extent right through to the latter part of the 20th century.]

    Yes Fangio stood head and shoulders above his contemporaries, of that there is no doubt. However
    that was the dawn of the sport and relative skill levels were much lower down the ladder of what
    was potentially possible. It was a new thing and they were pioneers. This was at a time when most
    of the population didn't even know how to drive a car, even that required you to be above a certain
    financial threshold and so limited the potential pool of competitors.

    Fangio raced against guys with time on their hands who decided, usually in their 20s or later, that
    motor sport would either be a jolly jape or a way to take risks without going to Everest or
    similar. They could be seen to defy death at a local track with crowds of people watching! It
    attracted a few certain types of people (with exceptions, as with all things). They were largely
    either bored and well-to-do, men with big egos craving attention or sometimes even the
    psychologically unstable.

    During the latter part of the last century things gradually* changed to where a new group of
    potential drivers started to come through (which didn't completely exclude the previous
    categories). These were, for want of a better word, 'kids' for whom motor racing was not a new
    thing. It was part of their normal lives and could be seen on TV. They were often kids who had
    spent their toddler years with their fathers on a Sunday watching the pioneers or the sport.

    [* As I said it was a gradual transition...]

    Some of them decided to get into the 'feeder series' (including karts) as a way of getting daddy's
    interest or even making Daddy proud - and Daddy was often interested / proud enough to put up the
    funds to allow their boy to continue. Some were 'pushed into it' by fathers wanting to live
    vicariously through their sons. Also if you were successful it was even a way to make lots of money
    now instead of losing it!

    A lot fell by the wayside, ambition exceeding accomplishment. Others progressed through the
    winnowing process that was the local kart track and raced competitively. Some went on to race in
    regional competition and an even smaller number went on to national championships. Even fewer made
    it all the way to international championships.

    This is all happening in karts, long before they get a chance to make the leap (including financial
    leap) to open wheeler cars proper. You see where I'm going with this?

    The same winnowing process outlined above for karts then happened with cars. Maybe one in a hundred
    was competitive with the others dropping by the wayside. (Others, like Alan Baker were never going
    to make the grade so stayed in the sport on a club level.)

    The point of all these words that I've written so far was that Fangio was the best of a few hundred
    men who tried their skill at racing. Jim Clark and Ayrton Senna were the best of a few thousand
    competitors who had the wherewithal to try their hands...

    Lewis Hamilton is the best of a million, boys and men globally, who've tried to reach the top of
    the sport. I said I'd leave the evolution of the machinery aside for a while so let's re-introduce
    it now. Yes he's in the best car on the grid. Nobody doubts that. But he got into that position
    because of his skill and work ethic.

    Also the cars as well as the drivers skills are much more evenly-matched. That there is a distinct
    order on the grid is testament to the evolution of both the technology and the 'apprenticeship'
    that the drivers undergo these days. The sport is mature so of course grids are more predictable
    than they were when it was in it's infancy.

    I said earlier that this evolution of motor sport was a gradual process. You can draw a line on a
    graph from Fangio to Hamilton showing the number of drivers that they had to beat to get to the
    top. This is something that Jackie Stewart doesn't get. Fangio was a very big fish in a very small
    pond. Jim Clark was the biggest fish in the Thames. Senna was the biggest fish in the Amazon.
    Schumacher was the biggest fish in the Mediterranean. Hamilton is the biggest fish in all of the
    oceans.

    In the linked article Stewart says rCLThere was a level playing field that simply doesnrCOt exist
    today" and he couldn't be more wrong. Back then racing was even moreso the preserve of the few
    privileged white men who had the time on their hands. I get that at that point he's largely talking
    about the machinery but it just shows that he's out of touch with reality these days. 'Back then'
    the difference between the first and last cars was huge (remember the 107% rule years later?). It's
    sad it see him still desperately trying to cling to the limelight - and actually proves my point
    about the personalities of the drivers in the early days.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 19:22:59 2020
    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 7:22:38 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

    (Others, like Alan Baker were never going
    to make the grade so stayed in the sport on a club level.)

    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

    You have him killfiled but cannot stop humping his leg.
    Also you have zero credibility because you steal from the sport.
    You are a pirating, loser, piece of shit.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 19:27:00 2020
    On 2020-10-06 6:22 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    The same winnowing process outlined above for karts then happened with
    cars. Maybe one in a hundred was competitive with the others dropping by
    the wayside. (Others, like Alan Baker were never going to make the grade
    so stayed in the sport on a club level.)

    Really?

    This is what you've got?

    I didn't START racing until I was 51, dude. I'm already faster around
    our course than a guy who was as fast as the 2015 US SCCA national
    champion in my class. That seems pretty alright to me. :-)

    Have you ever even tried it?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Oct 6 19:28:16 2020
    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 7:22:38 PM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

    Hey asshole. The pool is open.
    Make you picks. Last week you were late
    and crying the fucking blues because
    you were so cock sucking, fucking, stupid.
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  • From Phil Carmody@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 09:32:54 2020
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> writes:
    On 7/10/2020 10:12 am, geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/ [...]
    I said earlier that this evolution of motor sport was a gradual
    process. You can draw a line on a graph from Fangio to Hamilton
    showing the number of drivers that they had to beat to get to the
    top. This is something that Jackie Stewart doesn't get. Fangio was a
    very big fish in a very small pond. Jim Clark was the biggest fish in
    the Thames. Senna was the biggest fish in the Amazon. Schumacher was
    the biggest fish in the Mediterranean. Hamilton is the biggest fish in
    all of the oceans.

    I fear that your opinion may be somewhat unpopular, but up to choice of
    scaling factors I concur wholeheartedly.

    The same has occured in all sports where there's been lower barriers to
    entry over time, and thus a wider hinterland whence to trawl for talent.
    For example, in another traditional "gentelman's sport", snooker,
    arguably: Ronnie O'Sullivan >> Stephen Hendry >> Ray Reardon >> Joe Davis.

    However, one mustn't overlook the fact that motor racing is quite a
    different sport nowadays, and there's no certainty that many of today's relative snowflakes would have had the balls to even be willing to
    participate in the smelly, dirty, killy, sport of yore.

    Phil
    --
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 21:08:55 2020
    On 7/10/2020 12:55 pm, geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 12:46 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 3:46 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 10:19 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 2:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/


    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever >>>>>> know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he >>>>> is not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    He mentions absolutely nothing like that, Geoff.


    Um, where did I suggest that he *mentioned* that ? Would you imagine
    that if he felt that way that he would mention it ?!!!

    What were you trying to say, Geoff?

    Are you trying to denigrate Jackie Stewart?

    :-)

    Absolutely ;-)

    geoff


    Actually he would have trouble admitting that anybody taller than him
    could be any good. Which broadens the field of non-achievers substantially !

    geoff
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 22:09:59 2020
    On 7/10/2020 7:32 pm, Phil Carmody wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> writes:
    On 7/10/2020 10:12 am, geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/
    [...]
    I said earlier that this evolution of motor sport was a gradual
    process. You can draw a line on a graph from Fangio to Hamilton
    showing the number of drivers that they had to beat to get to the
    top. This is something that Jackie Stewart doesn't get. Fangio was a
    very big fish in a very small pond. Jim Clark was the biggest fish in
    the Thames. Senna was the biggest fish in the Amazon. Schumacher was
    the biggest fish in the Mediterranean. Hamilton is the biggest fish in
    all of the oceans.

    I fear that your opinion may be somewhat unpopular, but up to choice of scaling factors I concur wholeheartedly.

    Good to hear, I value your opinion. As for being popular I gave up on that years ago as a fools
    game. I only aim to please myself and my loved ones, anyone else can take it or leave it (my
    opinion that is) as they see fit. No skin off my nose. ;)

    The same has occured in all sports where there's been lower barriers to
    entry over time, and thus a wider hinterland whence to trawl for talent.
    For example, in another traditional "gentelman's sport", snooker,
    arguably: Ronnie O'Sullivan >> Stephen Hendry >> Ray Reardon >> Joe Davis.

    Another factor that increases the numbers of people in these 'non-essential' professions has been
    the increasing mechanisation of production, freeing people up to do 'frivolous' things to make a
    living. It's a subject been on my mind a lot of late, watching which businesses are struggling
    during these trying times. I know a guy who used to say 'get a job in farming or food production,
    you'll never be out of work'. He wasn't far from the mark.

    However, one mustn't overlook the fact that motor racing is quite a
    different sport nowadays, and there's no certainty that many of today's relative snowflakes would have had the balls to even be willing to participate in the smelly, dirty, killy, sport of yore.

    I fully agree with that also and indeed intended to address it. However I'd written quite a bit and
    had other matters to see to at the time so left that part out. Also any trying to work out who
    would still race if it were as dangerous is futile.

    While I'm being unpopular:

    I'm in two minds about Jackie Stewart and his hard line stance on safety (which I agree with mind
    you). Did he only take the stand that he did to look after his own skin (as much as he claims he
    never feared death)? There must have been an element of self-interest and for that reason I find
    his collection of 38 named benches at his home rather... lacking grace - and even grandstanding. I
    don't know, perhaps they're apologies to the people whose names he invoked on his crusade? Does he
    sit on them?

    Cheers,
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From Halmyre@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 02:20:32 2020
    On Tuesday, October 6, 2020 at 4:50:55 PM UTC+1, Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/

    Throwing remarks like 'racist' around every time you perceive that your hero isn't being worshipped by anyone else actually makes YOU the racist.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Oct 7 08:08:11 2020
    On 2020-10-07 1:08 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 12:55 pm, geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 12:46 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 3:46 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 10:19 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 2:12 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/


    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll
    ever know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that
    he is not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    He mentions absolutely nothing like that, Geoff.


    Um, where did I suggest that he *mentioned* that ? Would you imagine
    that if he felt that way that he would mention it ?!!!

    What were you trying to say, Geoff?

    Are you trying to denigrate Jackie Stewart?

    :-)

    Absolutely ;-)

    geoff


    Actually he would have trouble admitting that anybody taller than him
    could be any good. Which broadens the field of non-achievers
    substantially !

    OK... ...that's mildly amusing.

    ;-)
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Oct 8 22:28:07 2020
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 7/10/2020 5:03 am, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-06 8:50 a.m., Heron wrote:
    Hamilton not on F1's best-ever list - Stewart
    https://racer.com/2020/10/06/hamilton-not-on-f1s-best-ever-list-stewart/

    He leaves Schumacher of his list, fangurl...

    ...and Stewart has forgotten more about F1 racing that you'll ever know.


    His view being valid or not, I think Jackie's main issue is that he is
    not proposed as being 'up there' often enough.

    Somerset Maugham once described himself as: rCLa first class writer of the second classrCY, an assessment that might apply to Stewart when comparing him to other F1 champions. Personally I would put him behind Prost but ahead of Rindt, Fittipaldi or Piquet.

    Although always admired for his driving skills Jackie was never very
    popular with either press or public. This was partly due to his efforts to
    make racing safer at a time when danger was still thought by many
    journalists, and even some drivers, to be an important element of the
    sport.

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Oct 8 18:48:29 2020
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:10:07 AM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

    As for being popular I gave up on that years ago as a fools
    game. I only aim to please myself and my loved ones, anyone else can take it or leave it (my
    opinion that is) as they see fit. No skin off my nose. ;)

    Another factor that increases the numbers of people in these 'non-essential' professions has been
    the increasing mechanisation of production, freeing people up to do 'frivolous' things to make a
    living. It's a subject been on my mind a lot of late, watching which businesses are struggling
    during these trying times. I know a guy who used to say 'get a job in farming or food production,
    you'll never be out of work'. He wasn't far from the mark.

    I fully agree with that also and indeed intended to address it. However I'd written quite a bit and
    had other matters to see to at the time so left that part out.

    While I'm being unpopular:

    Cheers,
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

    You seem emotional and fucked up.
    Do not stop your prescribed meds.
    Talk to your Dr.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Oct 8 18:58:09 2020
    On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 3:10:07 AM UTC-6, ~misfit~ wrote:

    While I'm being unpopular:

    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.

    While? Wholly fucking understatement.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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