<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff
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On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.
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On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...
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On 28/09/2020 11:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver
cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that.-a He drove well today,
and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won
today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

So .... do you think that the stewards evaluation of the team radio
traffic finding that HAM was misled or over-ruled by the team was a lie ?

Maybe it is a regulation down somewhere in the small-print and wasn't specifically covered in the briefing.

Yes, a mistake by both team and driver either way.

geoff
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On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 23:41:24 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

Hang on...

Are you saying that Hamilton was deliberately mis-informed by his team
so that their preferred driver (Bottas?!?) could win?

;-)

Ham's side of the garage, him included, cocked up. He asked if he could go out further (he should have known he couldn't). They confirmed that he could (and they should have known that he couldn't).

As I think I posted, "team / driver cockups".

I don't think I said "team instructions" anywhere, btw.
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On 2020-09-27 4:48 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 28/09/2020 11:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver
cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that.-a He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won
today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

So .... do you think that the stewards evaluation of the team radio
traffic finding that HAM was misled or over-ruled by the team was a lie ?

Hamilton cannot be "over-ruled" by the team. Hamilton is the man IN THE CAR.

Maybe it is a regulation down somewhere in the small-print and wasn't specifically covered in the briefing.

Yes, a mistake by both team and driver either way.

And yet, somehow another driver on the SAME team didn't make the same
mistake.
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On 28/09/2020 6:41 pm, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 4:48 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 28/09/2020 11:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver
cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that.-a He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have
won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

So .... do you think that the stewards evaluation of the team radio
traffic finding that HAM was misled or over-ruled by the team was a lie ?

Hamilton cannot be "over-ruled" by the team. Hamilton is the man IN THE
CAR.

Maybe it is a regulation down somewhere in the small-print and wasn't
specifically covered in the briefing.

Yes, a mistake by both team and driver either way.

And yet, somehow another driver on the SAME team didn't make the same mistake.

Must have given you such a stiffy seeing HAM cock up and get pinged.

geoff
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Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver
cockups rather than solely down to your driving seemed a little
misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident
that Hamilton would have won today in any event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

--
Bozo bin
Texasgate
Heron
Enjoy!
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On Monday, 28 September 2020 at 06:41:04 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 4:48 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 28/09/2020 11:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver
cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won >>> today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty... >>
...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

So .... do you think that the stewards evaluation of the team radio traffic finding that HAM was misled or over-ruled by the team was a lie ?

Hamilton cannot be "over-ruled" by the team. Hamilton is the man IN THE CAR.

Maybe it is a regulation down somewhere in the small-print and wasn't specifically covered in the briefing.

Yes, a mistake by both team and driver either way.

And yet, somehow another driver on the SAME team didn't make the same mistake.

It does seem to me that there was something missing in the briefing notes

"19) Practice starts
19.1 Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side after the pit exit lights and, for the
avoidance of doubt, this includes any time the pit exit is open for the race. Drivers must leave adequate room on their left for another driver to pass.
19.2 For reasons of safety and sporting equity, cars may not stop in the fast lane at any time the pit exit
is open without a justifiable reason (a practice start is not considered a justifiable reason)."

No mention in there that practice starts have to be completed in the pit lane, rather than on track
or in the pitlane entrance / exit. That may be obvious to a race driver of course - of which I am
not one.

Perhaps this is just a matter of routine?

I doubt Hamilton was thinking like a lawyer in the car and unpicking the briefing notes like that though.

It does surprise me that a team as well drilled as Mercedes didn't have a standard approach to practice
starts, or maybe they did and Bono was flummoxed by Hamilton even asking the question?
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larkim wrote:

On Monday, 28 September 2020 at 06:41:04 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 4:48 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 28/09/2020 11:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May

wrote: >>>> <snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team /

driver >>> cockups rather than

solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would

have won >>> today in any

event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty... >>
...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

So .... do you think that the stewards evaluation of the team
radio traffic finding that HAM was misled or over-ruled by the
team was a lie ?

Hamilton cannot be "over-ruled" by the team. Hamilton is the man IN
THE CAR.

Maybe it is a regulation down somewhere in the small-print and
wasn't specifically covered in the briefing.

Yes, a mistake by both team and driver either way.

And yet, somehow another driver on the SAME team didn't make the
same mistake.

It does seem to me that there was something missing in the briefing
notes

"19) Practice starts
19.1 Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side
after the pit exit lights and, for the avoidance of doubt, this
includes any time the pit exit is open for the race. Drivers must
leave adequate room on their left for another driver to pass. 19.2
For reasons of safety and sporting equity, cars may not stop in the
fast lane at any time the pit exit is open without a justifiable
reason (a practice start is not considered a justifiable reason)."

No mention in there that practice starts have to be completed in the
pit lane, rather than on track or in the pitlane entrance / exit.

"Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side after
the pit exit lights "

Seems fairly precise.

It seems unusual not to have permitted them on the grid at the end of practice... or did they?

--
Bozo bin
Texasgate
Heron
Enjoy!
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On Monday, 28 September 2020 at 13:43:02 UTC+1, Bigbird wrote:

larkim wrote:

On Monday, 28 September 2020 at 06:41:04 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 4:48 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 28/09/2020 11:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May

wrote: >>>> <snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team /

driver >>> cockups rather than

solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would

have won >>> today in any

event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty... >>
...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

So .... do you think that the stewards evaluation of the team
radio traffic finding that HAM was misled or over-ruled by the
team was a lie ?

Hamilton cannot be "over-ruled" by the team. Hamilton is the man IN
THE CAR.

Maybe it is a regulation down somewhere in the small-print and
wasn't specifically covered in the briefing.

Yes, a mistake by both team and driver either way.

And yet, somehow another driver on the SAME team didn't make the
same mistake.

It does seem to me that there was something missing in the briefing
notes

"19) Practice starts
19.1 Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side
after the pit exit lights and, for the avoidance of doubt, this
includes any time the pit exit is open for the race. Drivers must
leave adequate room on their left for another driver to pass. 19.2
For reasons of safety and sporting equity, cars may not stop in the
fast lane at any time the pit exit is open without a justifiable
reason (a practice start is not considered a justifiable reason)."

No mention in there that practice starts have to be completed in the
pit lane, rather than on track or in the pitlane entrance / exit.

"Practice starts may only be carried out on the right-hand side after
the pit exit lights "
Seems fairly precise.

It seems unusual not to have permitted them on the grid at the end of practice... or did they?
--
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Texasgate
Heron
Enjoy!

But isn't all the way down to T1 (indeed to the end of the lap) "after the pit exit
lights". Maybe "directly after the pit exit lights" would have been clearer or "within the pitlane on the right hand side after the pit exit lights".

It's the absence of any mention of the pit lane as the practice start location that's imprecise, IMHO.
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On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver
cockups rather than solely down to your driving seemed a little
misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident
that Hamilton would have won today in any event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.
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On 2020-09-28 2:56 a.m., geoff wrote:

On 28/09/2020 6:41 pm, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 4:48 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 28/09/2020 11:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver
cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that.-a He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have
won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

So .... do you think that the stewards evaluation of the team radio
traffic finding that HAM was misled or over-ruled by the team was a
lie ?

Hamilton cannot be "over-ruled" by the team. Hamilton is the man IN
THE CAR.

Maybe it is a regulation down somewhere in the small-print and wasn't
specifically covered in the briefing.

Yes, a mistake by both team and driver either way.

And yet, somehow another driver on the SAME team didn't make the same
mistake.

Must have given you such a stiffy seeing HAM cock up and get pinged.

Sorry, but I didn't see any of it.

I was racing on Saturday (3 wins in 3 races; finishing an aggregate 70+ seconds ahead of second place) and with my family for birthday
celebrations yesterday.

I'm just pointing out the obvious.
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On 2020-09-27 8:59 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 23:41:24 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

Hang on...

Are you saying that Hamilton was deliberately mis-informed by his team
so that their preferred driver (Bottas?!?) could win?

Nope. I'm not saying anything like that.

I'm saying that in all likelihood they were given precisely the same instructions, but only one of them forgot what the event notes said
about where practice starts were legal.

;-)

Ham's side of the garage, him included, cocked up. He asked if he could go out
further (he should have known he couldn't). They confirmed that he could (and
they should have known that he couldn't).

As I think I posted, "team / driver cockups".

I don't think I said "team instructions" anywhere, btw.

Then I apologize for using quotes, but it amounts to the same thing
without them.
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On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 3:56:08 AM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

Must have given you such a stiffy seeing HAM cock up and get pinged.

What's with you and male genitalia
in 50% of your posts?
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On 29/09/2020 4:44 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.

How unusual. And always just that one target.

geoff
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On 2020-09-28 12:53 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 4:44 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.

How unusual. And always just that one target.

Because there's only one driver here who gets treated like the second coming...

If Heron doesn't post about how it isn't his idol's fault that he didn't
read or understand the instructions, then I don't post a thing.

Do YOU think it was Hamilton's responsibility to know the rules under
which he was supposed to be operating? Yes or no.
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On 29/09/2020 9:24 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:53 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 4:44 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.

How unusual. And always just that one target.

Because there's only one driver here who gets treated like the second coming...

Well he is in that general direction, or do you deny that too ? Or is
it just pure envy.

If Heron doesn't post about how it isn't his idol's fault that he didn't read or understand the instructions, then I don't post a thing.

Hard just Heron - more like if anybody posts anything vaguely positive
about HAM sets you off.

Do YOU think it was Hamilton's responsibility to know the rules under
which he was supposed to be operating? Yes or no.

Yes, and as vulnerable as anybody to confusion in the heat of the moment
by incorrect information supplied. Not an excuse, but a reason.

geoff
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On 2020-09-28 2:13 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 9:24 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:53 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 4:44 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.

How unusual. And always just that one target.

Because there's only one driver here who gets treated like the second
coming...

Well he is in that general direction, or do you deny that too ?-a Or is
it just pure envy.

He is among the very best drivers out there today. I've said that many
times.

If Heron doesn't post about how it isn't his idol's fault that he
didn't read or understand the instructions, then I don't post a thing.

Hard just Heron - more like if anybody posts anything vaguely positive
about HAM sets you off.

It depends if it's bullshit or not.

Do YOU think it was Hamilton's responsibility to know the rules under
which he was supposed to be operating? Yes or no.

Yes, and as vulnerable as anybody to confusion in the heat of the moment
by incorrect information supplied. Not an excuse, but a reason.

Yup. A reason.

But at the end of the day, it ISN'T an excuse...

...yet people here have tried to use it as one.

Just as they used the team as an excuse for Hamilton failing to even SEE
the pitlane closed signs.
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On 29/09/2020 11:00 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 2:13 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 9:24 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:53 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 4:44 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.

How unusual. And always just that one target.

Because there's only one driver here who gets treated like the second
coming...

Well he is in that general direction, or do you deny that too ?-a Or is
it just pure envy.

He is among the very best drivers out there today. I've said that many times.

If Heron doesn't post about how it isn't his idol's fault that he
didn't read or understand the instructions, then I don't post a thing.

Hard just Heron - more like if anybody posts anything vaguely positive
about HAM sets you off.

It depends if it's bullshit or not.

Do YOU think it was Hamilton's responsibility to know the rules under
which he was supposed to be operating? Yes or no.

Yes, and as vulnerable as anybody to confusion in the heat of the
moment by incorrect information supplied. Not an excuse, but a reason.

Yup. A reason.

But at the end of the day, it ISN'T an excuse...

...yet people here have tried to use it as one.

Just as they used the team as an excuse for Hamilton failing to even SEE
the pitlane closed signs.

Just as you wouldn't accept the team's direction and the 'flags' being predominantly the wrong colour as a valid contribution for that
particular instance.

geoff
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On 2020-09-28 3:56 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 11:00 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 2:13 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 9:24 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 12:53 p.m., geoff wrote:

On 29/09/2020 4:44 am, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual. >>>>>>

I'm just asking a question.

How unusual. And always just that one target.

Because there's only one driver here who gets treated like the
second coming...

Well he is in that general direction, or do you deny that too ?-a Or
is it just pure envy.

He is among the very best drivers out there today. I've said that many
times.

If Heron doesn't post about how it isn't his idol's fault that he
didn't read or understand the instructions, then I don't post a thing.

Hard just Heron - more like if anybody posts anything vaguely
positive about HAM sets you off.

It depends if it's bullshit or not.

Do YOU think it was Hamilton's responsibility to know the rules
under which he was supposed to be operating? Yes or no.

Yes, and as vulnerable as anybody to confusion in the heat of the
moment by incorrect information supplied. Not an excuse, but a reason.

Yup. A reason.

But at the end of the day, it ISN'T an excuse...

...yet people here have tried to use it as one.

Just as they used the team as an excuse for Hamilton failing to even
SEE the pitlane closed signs.

Just as you wouldn't accept the team's direction and the 'flags' being predominantly the wrong colour as a valid contribution for that
particular instance.

Geoff, get it:

He didn't SEE the flags.
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On Monday, September 28, 2020 at 4:56:50 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

Just as you wouldn't accept the team's direction and the 'flags' being predominantly the wrong colour as a valid contribution for that
particular instance.

Thank you for not making a reference to
male genitalia in this post.
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On Monday, 28 September 2020 at 16:49:26 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 8:59 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 23:41:24 UTC+1, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team / driver cockups rather than
solely down to your driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well today, and with Hamilton's
post-pitstop pace I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty... >>
...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

Maybe he paid attention to the briefing...

Hang on...

Are you saying that Hamilton was deliberately mis-informed by his team
so that their preferred driver (Bottas?!?) could win?

Nope. I'm not saying anything like that.

I'm saying that in all likelihood they were given precisely the same instructions, but only one of them forgot what the event notes said
about where practice starts were legal.

;-)

Ham's side of the garage, him included, cocked up. He asked if he could go out
further (he should have known he couldn't). They confirmed that he could (and
they should have known that he couldn't).

As I think I posted, "team / driver cockups".

I don't think I said "team instructions" anywhere, btw.

Then I apologize for using quotes, but it amounts to the same thing
without them.

Not sure it does. Hamilton asked, he prompted the action himself.

There's quite a difference between Bono getting on the radio and saying
"OK Lewis, as discussed we'll do the practice start further down to avoid the rubbered area" (team instruction) vs Lewis asking "Can I go further down as there's already too much rubber down here" and the answer coming back
"A-firm".

They didn't instruct him (surely a prerequisite for a team instruction).

Bottas didn't ask. He might have been given the same answer, he might not.

But I think we are broadly agreed that the sanction was too severe.

A post race fine / reprimand / points on the licence would have sufficed. Even
points may have been OTT.
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Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team /
driver cockups rather than solely down to your driving seemed a
little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace I'm not 100%
confident that Hamilton would have won today in any event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.

Rubbish.

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On 2020-09-29 6:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team /
driver cockups rather than solely down to your driving seemed a
little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove well
today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace I'm not 100%
confident that Hamilton would have won today in any event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as usual.

I'm just asking a question.

Rubbish.

What an inciteful rebuttal!
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Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-29 6:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May
wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team /
driver cockups rather than solely down to your driving
seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove
well today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace I'm not
100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as
usual.

I'm just asking a question.

Rubbish.

What an inciteful rebuttal!

You would rather I say that it is a transparent lie.

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On 2020-09-29 11:50 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-29 6:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May
wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team /
driver cockups rather than solely down to your driving
seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He drove
well today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace I'm not
100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as
usual.

I'm just asking a question.

Rubbish.

What an inciteful rebuttal!

You would rather I say that it is a transparent lie.

You'll say whatever you like.

But I was just countering the blind hero worship that attempted to blame everything on the team, because Hamilton didn't read the rules.
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On 9/29/2020 3:00 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-29 11:50 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-29 6:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff May
wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by team /
driver cockups rather than solely down to your driving
seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that.a He drove
well today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace I'm not
100% confident that Hamilton would have won today in any
event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for Hamilton's
penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as
usual.

I'm just asking a question.

Rubbish.

What an inciteful rebuttal!

You would rather I say that it is a transparent lie.

You'll say whatever you like.

But I was just countering the blind hero worship that attempted to blame everything on the team, because Hamilton didn't read the rules.

"Taxes [like rules] are for little people." - Leona Helmsley
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Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-29 11:50 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-29 6:04 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-28 4:24 a.m., Bigbird wrote:

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2020-09-27 1:03 p.m., larkim wrote:

On Sunday, 27 September 2020 at 13:57:33 UTC+1, Geoff
May wrote:

<snigger>

Well said, Mr. Bottas :-)

Cheers

Geoff

Yes nicely said.

Though saying it when you've been gifted the win by
team / driver cockups rather than solely down to your
driving seemed a little misplaced.

I like Bottas though, so I'm forgiving him that. He
drove well today, and with Hamilton's post-pitstop pace
I'm not 100% confident that Hamilton would have won
today in any event.

So.. ...if "team instructions" were responsible for
Hamilton's penalty...

...why do you think Bottas didn't make the same error?

What a fucking stupid response.

Again with no other purpose that to denigrate Hamilton, as
usual.

I'm just asking a question.

Rubbish.

What an inciteful rebuttal!

You would rather I say that it is a transparent lie.

You'll say whatever you like.

But I was just countering the blind hero worship that attempted to
blame everything on the team, because Hamilton didn't read the rules.

You're now accusing Larkim of "blind hero worship".

...and you think that is an excuse for dishonesty.

A little self-awareness might go a long way.

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On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 8:37:16 AM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:

A little self-awareness might go a long way.

Oh go fuck yourself with these gay ass,
pussy fuck fart responses.
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