• For Mr Alan Baker -

    From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 11 04:19:25 2020
    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??
    Well, GR has now said:
    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get the most out of the car.
    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.
    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisrCOs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the team.rCY
    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html
    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 11 09:26:04 2020
    On 2020-12-11 4:19 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get the most out of the car.

    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.

    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisrCOs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the team.rCY

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!


    OK... ...so?

    When I asked, you DIDN'T know that.
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  • From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 11 11:24:04 2020

    When I asked, you DIDN'T know that.

    No. Hence, a "blindingly obvious comment".
    What chance of 2 completely different drivers - age, driving experience, size, car etc etc etc - using the same setup??
    How really stupid and pedantic do you have to demonstrate you are??
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 11 23:06:03 2020
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 09:26:04 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

    On 2020-12-11 4:19 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set
    up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he
    would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get
    the most out of the car.

    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information,
    learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.

    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the
    set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my
    way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more
    to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisrCOs
    set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not Lewis, and
    I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the
    team.rCY

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell- reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!


    OK... ...so?

    When I asked, you DIDN'T know that.

    are you now going to restrict yourself to only making statements that can
    be 100% proven?



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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 11 15:25:34 2020
    On 2020-12-11 3:06 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 09:26:04 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

    On 2020-12-11 4:19 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set
    up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he
    would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get
    the most out of the car.

    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information,
    learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.

    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the
    set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my
    way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more
    to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisrCOs
    set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not Lewis, and >>> I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the
    team.rCY

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-
    reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!


    OK... ...so?

    When I asked, you DIDN'T know that.

    are you now going to restrict yourself to only making statements that can
    be 100% proven?

    I suggest you read what I write a little more closely.

    When I express something about which I'm not completely sure, I almost
    always make that plain.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 12 09:09:02 2020
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 04:19:25 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com" <crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:

    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonAs, to get the most out of the car.

    oLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, learning the procedures and what have you,o he explained.

    oThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisAs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IAm not Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the team.o

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!

    Not just Russell, even though the adjustmentto the car last weekend
    seemed relatively small, Hamilton blamed some of the messiness in
    practice yesterday on those changes:

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.car-not-how-i-left-it-says-hamilton-after-messy-first-day-back-with-mercedes.4oCwGkQ6N8dEjFocymUI9b.html
    https://f1.com/3a45ZQ3

    "It felt like IAd spent a lot of time away from the car u it was very
    odd,o he said. oIt was about refamiliarising myself with the car. The
    car was not quite the way it was when I left it, in the sense that the
    balance wasnAt the same that I had got to previously, but I am working
    my way back to where I am comfortable with it."
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 12 11:28:56 2020
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:25:34 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

    On 2020-12-11 3:06 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 09:26:04 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

    On 2020-12-11 4:19 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't
    set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he
    would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get >>>> the most out of the car.

    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information,
    learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.

    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the
    set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my
    way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car
    more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with
    LewisrCOs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not >>>> Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from
    myself and the team.rCY

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-
    russell-
    reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.
    3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!


    OK... ...so?

    When I asked, you DIDN'T know that.

    are you now going to restrict yourself to only making statements that
    can be 100% proven?

    I suggest you read what I write a little more closely.

    When I express something about which I'm not completely sure, I almost
    always make that plain.

    There are most certainly threads where you promote you opinion as if they
    were fact & certain other posters debate this with you
    ad nauseam and going nowhere.

    You will note I don't join in on these bundles, as you are probably
    correct as often as you are wrong (allowing for certain biases).

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    Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 12 05:48:44 2020
    On 2020-12-12 3:28 a.m., alister wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 15:25:34 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

    On 2020-12-11 3:06 p.m., alister wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 09:26:04 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

    On 2020-12-11 4:19 a.m., crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't
    set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he >>>>> would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get >>>>> the most out of the car.

    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, >>>>> learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.

    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the
    set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my >>>>> way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car
    more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with
    LewisrCOs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not >>>>> Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from
    myself and the team.rCY

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-
    russell-
    reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.
    3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!


    OK... ...so?

    When I asked, you DIDN'T know that.

    are you now going to restrict yourself to only making statements that
    can be 100% proven?

    I suggest you read what I write a little more closely.

    When I express something about which I'm not completely sure, I almost
    always make that plain.

    There are most certainly threads where you promote you opinion as if they were fact & certain other posters debate this with you
    ad nauseam and going nowhere.


    Riiiiiiiight.

    Give an example.


    You will note I don't join in on these bundles, as you are probably
    correct as often as you are wrong (allowing for certain biases).

    I'm sure I'm often wrong, too.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 12 06:25:22 2020
    On 2020-12-12 1:09 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 04:19:25 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com" <crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:

    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get the most out of the car.

    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.

    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisrCOs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the team.rCY

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!

    Not just Russell, even though the adjustmentto the car last weekend
    seemed relatively small, Hamilton blamed some of the messiness in
    practice yesterday on those changes:

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.car-not-how-i-left-it-says-hamilton-after-messy-first-day-back-with-mercedes.4oCwGkQ6N8dEjFocymUI9b.html
    https://f1.com/3a45ZQ3

    "It felt like IrCOd spent a lot of time away from the car rCo it was very odd,rCY he said. rCLIt was about refamiliarising myself with the car. The
    car was not quite the way it was when I left it, in the sense that the balance wasnrCOt the same that I had got to previously, but I am working
    my way back to where I am comfortable with it."


    I think you'll find that Hamilton was speaking figuratively; that what
    he was really saying is that his FEEL was off. Hence, "I am working MY
    way back to where I am comfortable with it." [emphasis mine].

    The teams keep track of every change made to the car's setup (because,
    among other things, as any change is made to the car, any spare part for
    that car is also adjusted to be ready when they need to use it), so if
    they made any changes for George, they could have just just unmade them.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 13 08:11:10 2020
    On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 06:25:22 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-12 1:09 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 04:19:25 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com"
    <crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:

    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonAs, to get the most out of the car.

    oLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, learning the procedures and what have you,o he explained.

    oThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisAs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IAm not Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the team.o

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!

    Not just Russell, even though the adjustmentto the car last weekend
    seemed relatively small, Hamilton blamed some of the messiness in
    practice yesterday on those changes:

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.car-not-how-i-left-it-says-hamilton-after-messy-first-day-back-with-mercedes.4oCwGkQ6N8dEjFocymUI9b.html
    https://f1.com/3a45ZQ3

    "It felt like IAd spent a lot of time away from the car u it was very
    odd,o he said. oIt was about refamiliarising myself with the car. The
    car was not quite the way it was when I left it, in the sense that the
    balance wasnAt the same that I had got to previously, but I am working
    my way back to where I am comfortable with it."


    I think you'll find that Hamilton was speaking figuratively; that what
    he was really saying is that his FEEL was off. Hence, "I am working MY
    way back to where I am comfortable with it." [emphasis mine].

    The teams keep track of every change made to the car's setup (because,
    among other things, as any change is made to the car, any spare part for >that car is also adjusted to be ready when they need to use it), so if
    they made any changes for George, they could have just just unmade them.


    What part of "The car was not quite the way it was when I left it" did
    you not understand?
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 13 12:02:32 2020
    On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 08:11:10 +0000, Martin Harran
    <martinharran@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 06:25:22 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-12 1:09 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 04:19:25 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com"
    <crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:

    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonAs, to get the most out of the car.

    oLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, learning the procedures and what have you,o he explained.

    oThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisAs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IAm not Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the team.o

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!

    Not just Russell, even though the adjustmentto the car last weekend
    seemed relatively small, Hamilton blamed some of the messiness in
    practice yesterday on those changes:

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.car-not-how-i-left-it-says-hamilton-after-messy-first-day-back-with-mercedes.4oCwGkQ6N8dEjFocymUI9b.html
    https://f1.com/3a45ZQ3

    "It felt like IAd spent a lot of time away from the car u it was very
    odd,o he said. oIt was about refamiliarising myself with the car. The
    car was not quite the way it was when I left it, in the sense that the
    balance wasnAt the same that I had got to previously, but I am working
    my way back to where I am comfortable with it."


    I think you'll find that Hamilton was speaking figuratively; that what
    he was really saying is that his FEEL was off. Hence, "I am working MY
    way back to where I am comfortable with it." [emphasis mine].

    The teams keep track of every change made to the car's setup (because, >>among other things, as any change is made to the car, any spare part for >>that car is also adjusted to be ready when they need to use it), so if >>they made any changes for George, they could have just just unmade them.


    What part of "The car was not quite the way it was when I left it" did
    you not understand?

    Pressed send too quickly - that comment is in regard to your assertion
    that he was only speaking *figuratively*.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 13 05:11:52 2020
    On 2020-12-13 12:11 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Dec 2020 06:25:22 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-12 1:09 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 04:19:25 -0800 (PST), "crms...@gmail.com"
    <crmstone@gmail.com> wrote:

    I made a blindingly obvious comment somewhere that LH's Merc wasn't set up/didn't suit GR for the Sakhuir GP.
    Alan Baker stupidly said "how do you know/prove that"??

    Well, GR has now said:

    "If Russell does race for Mercedes this weekend, he explained that he would tune the W11 more to his liking, rather than HamiltonrCOs, to get the most out of the car.

    rCLLast Friday was all about learning, taking in all the information, learning the procedures and what have you,rCY he explained.

    rCLThis weekend, Friday will be about improving the car, tuning the set-up to my driving. I think my engineers have already understood my way of working, my way of driving. So we can try to tailor the car more to my needs as last weekend I was ultimately running with LewisrCOs set-up, which is obviously a very good baseline, but IrCOm not Lewis, and I need slightly different needs to extract more from myself and the team.rCY

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.my-mum-was-in-tears-russell-reveals-the-emotional-toll-of-missing-out-on.3qSHN8OHJv34vv5ALhigIC.html

    Perhaps he should be a baker and go back into the kitchen!!

    Not just Russell, even though the adjustmentto the car last weekend
    seemed relatively small, Hamilton blamed some of the messiness in
    practice yesterday on those changes:

    https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.car-not-how-i-left-it-says-hamilton-after-messy-first-day-back-with-mercedes.4oCwGkQ6N8dEjFocymUI9b.html
    https://f1.com/3a45ZQ3

    "It felt like IrCOd spent a lot of time away from the car rCo it was very >>> odd,rCY he said. rCLIt was about refamiliarising myself with the car. The >>> car was not quite the way it was when I left it, in the sense that the
    balance wasnrCOt the same that I had got to previously, but I am working >>> my way back to where I am comfortable with it."


    I think you'll find that Hamilton was speaking figuratively; that what
    he was really saying is that his FEEL was off. Hence, "I am working MY
    way back to where I am comfortable with it." [emphasis mine].

    The teams keep track of every change made to the car's setup (because,
    among other things, as any change is made to the car, any spare part for
    that car is also adjusted to be ready when they need to use it), so if
    they made any changes for George, they could have just just unmade them.


    What part of "The car was not quite the way it was when I left it" did
    you not understand?


    What part of figurative language and "/I/ am working MY way back to were
    /I/ am comfortable" don't you understand?
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