• Reducing blind area on F1 rearview mirrors?

    From EB5AGV@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 01:47:51 2020
    Sorry if this has been already commented, but I wonder if they could expand the view range of the rearview mirrors on their tip ends, as it is done on street cars (or even further, with some wide-angle view, even if distorted), because it seems Grosjean didn't see Kvyat when he did the turn-right fast move which originated his crash.
    What do you think?. Ot it is already optimized and is there no way to enhance it?
    Jose
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 18:29:43 2020
    On 02/12/2020 09:47, EB5AGV wrote:
    Sorry if this has been already commented, but I wonder if they could expand the view range of the rearview mirrors on their tip ends, as it is done on street cars (or even further, with some wide-angle view, even if distorted), because it seems Grosjean didn't see Kvyat when he did the turn-right fast move which originated his crash.

    What do you think?. Ot it is already optimized and is there no way to enhance it?

    Jose

    Grosjean wasn't expecting Kvyat to be there so he (Grosjean) didn't
    check the mirror. I don't think bigger mirrors would have helped in this instance.

    We all make mistakes.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 13:44:36 2020
    On 2020-12-02 1:47 a.m., EB5AGV wrote:
    Sorry if this has been already commented, but I wonder if they could expand the view range of the rearview mirrors on their tip ends, as it is done on street cars (or even further, with some wide-angle view, even if distorted), because it seems Grosjean didn't see Kvyat when he did the turn-right fast move which originated his crash.

    What do you think?. Ot it is already optimized and is there no way to enhance it?


    I think the position of the two cars prior to Grosjean moving right
    would have meant that even very wide view mirror probably wouldn't have
    had Kvyat in it. It isn't until they were nearly in contact (too late to
    have reacted to it) that we would have appeared.

    Having just watched Jolyon Palmer's analysis, I think that Grosjean was reacting to what he THOUGHT was going to happen in front of him with too
    many cars going slowly and Raikonnen potentially trying to come back
    from off the track left. He's clearly got greater speed than all the
    cars in front of him and Magnussen who is on the right side of the bunch
    is moving more to the left, leaving what appears to be open road for him
    to move into.
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  • From Matt Larkin@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Thu Dec 3 03:27:14 2020
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 21:44:40 UTC, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-12-02 1:47 a.m., EB5AGV wrote:
    Sorry if this has been already commented, but I wonder if they could expand the view range of the rearview mirrors on their tip ends, as it is done on street cars (or even further, with some wide-angle view, even if distorted), because it seems Grosjean didn't see Kvyat when he did the turn-right fast move which originated his crash.

    What do you think?. Ot it is already optimized and is there no way to enhance it?

    I think the position of the two cars prior to Grosjean moving right
    would have meant that even very wide view mirror probably wouldn't have
    had Kvyat in it. It isn't until they were nearly in contact (too late to have reacted to it) that we would have appeared.

    Having just watched Jolyon Palmer's analysis, I think that Grosjean was reacting to what he THOUGHT was going to happen in front of him with too many cars going slowly and Raikonnen potentially trying to come back
    from off the track left. He's clearly got greater speed than all the
    cars in front of him and Magnussen who is on the right side of the bunch
    is moving more to the left, leaving what appears to be open road for him
    to move into.
    That all seems entirely reasonable. The only thing I'd add to that though is that Grosjean passed Kvyat in the T1 / T2 sequence and I'd have normally expected a driver of his experience to be aware of where Kvyat should have been if he couldn't see him in his mirrors. The positioning of Kvyat relative to Grosjean will be a fairly common placement on Lap 1 of a GP and we don't
    see too many blind spot accidents normally. Or perhaps we do, but I've not logged them as they don't normally turn into an incident the size of Grosjean's.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 6 09:23:48 2020
    On 2020-12-03 3:27 a.m., Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 21:44:40 UTC, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-12-02 1:47 a.m., EB5AGV wrote:
    Sorry if this has been already commented, but I wonder if they could expand the view range of the rearview mirrors on their tip ends, as it is done on street cars (or even further, with some wide-angle view, even if distorted), because it seems Grosjean didn't see Kvyat when he did the turn-right fast move which originated his crash.

    What do you think?. Ot it is already optimized and is there no way to enhance it?

    I think the position of the two cars prior to Grosjean moving right
    would have meant that even very wide view mirror probably wouldn't have
    had Kvyat in it. It isn't until they were nearly in contact (too late to
    have reacted to it) that we would have appeared.

    Having just watched Jolyon Palmer's analysis, I think that Grosjean was
    reacting to what he THOUGHT was going to happen in front of him with too
    many cars going slowly and Raikonnen potentially trying to come back
    from off the track left. He's clearly got greater speed than all the
    cars in front of him and Magnussen who is on the right side of the bunch
    is moving more to the left, leaving what appears to be open road for him
    to move into.
    That all seems entirely reasonable. The only thing I'd add to that though is that Grosjean passed Kvyat in the T1 / T2 sequence and I'd have normally expected a driver of his experience to be aware of where Kvyat should have been if he couldn't see him in his mirrors. The positioning of Kvyat relative
    to Grosjean will be a fairly common placement on Lap 1 of a GP and we don't see too many blind spot accidents normally. Or perhaps we do, but I've not logged them as they don't normally turn into an incident the size of Grosjean's.


    Funny you should mention blind spot incidents.

    That's what just happened with Sergio Perez running into Leclerc just
    now. The last moment when he could have seen Leclerc would have showed
    him well back, and the contact was right rear to Leclerc's left front,
    so it will be interesting to see if the stewards penalize Leclerc for a divebomb.
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