• HAM tests positive, will miss Sakhir GP

    From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 07:36:44 2020

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke
    up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been
    informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 07:59:15 2020
    On 01/12/2020 07:36, Brian Lawrence wrote:

    -a-a-a-a-a-a-a https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke
    up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been
    informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?

    The 'official' reserve & test drivers are Vandoorne & Gutierrez, but I
    don't think either have driven the current car.

    Vandoorne is testing for the Merc team in Formula E at the moment.
    Gutierrez is Merc's F-E reserve driver.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 08:02:34 2020
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke
    up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been
    informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?


    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on
    Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance
    Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Matt Larkin@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 00:40:16 2020
    On Tuesday, 1 December 2020 at 08:02:38 UTC, Sir Tim wrote:
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    --
    Sir Tim
    I've never quite understood what the point of having a nominated reserve
    driver is about if there is any doubt that they'll be driving the car if the main
    driver is incapacitated.
    Fair enough if they are only a "test driver". It would surprise me if a team as
    well organised as Merc don't have a driver with plenty of sim hours built up to
    slot straight in.
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  • From EB5AGV@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 00:54:37 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 8:36:48 AM UTC+1, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke
    up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?

    I would say this will help to the entertainment... as it happened this year in MotoGP, once Marquez was out, races were more interesting. Sad but true!

    I wish HAM the best, of course. I speak only from the viewer point of view.

    What a season!

    Jose
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 22:20:29 2020
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke
    up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been
    informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?


    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 11:20:38 2020
    On 01/12/2020 07:36, Brian Lawrence wrote:

    Merc's Twitter: https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1

    Most recent post has image of their announcement:

    <https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1333672817460654080/photo/1>

    Probably will have news of stand-in driver when they have decided.

    I imagine Angela will be isolating too.

    https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/angelacullen/


    <https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.shes-one-of-the-greatest-things-thats-happened-to-me-hamilton-on-his-physio.52J1peOUZ9ykB1c5RI624O.html>
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 08:08:33 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:36:48 AM UTC-7, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke
    up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?

    Ya, probably doesn't help when he
    has 10 people fucking with his
    man bun in the pit lane.
    What an idiot.
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 08:24:20 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:40:17 AM UTC-8, matthew...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, 1 December 2020 at 08:02:38 UTC, Sir Tim wrote:
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    --
    Sir Tim
    I've never quite understood what the point of having a nominated reserve driver is about if there is any doubt that they'll be driving the car if the main
    driver is incapacitated.

    Fair enough if they are only a "test driver". It would surprise me if a team as
    well organised as Merc don't have a driver with plenty of sim hours built up to
    slot straight in.
    Why don't reserve drivers get some seat time in FP1? Teams use it to evaluate future candidates all the time.
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 18:33:36 2020
    On 01/12/2020 16:24, XYXPDQ wrote:

    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:40:17 AM UTC-8, matthew...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, 1 December 2020 at 08:02:38 UTC, Sir Tim wrote:
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_...@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but woke >>>> up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He had been
    informed that someone he had recent contact with had tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on
    Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance
    Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    --
    Sir Tim
    I've never quite understood what the point of having a nominated reserve
    driver is about if there is any doubt that they'll be driving the car if the main
    driver is incapacitated.

    Fair enough if they are only a "test driver". It would surprise me if a team as
    well organised as Merc don't have a driver with plenty of sim hours built up to
    slot straight in.


    Why don't reserve drivers get some seat time in FP1? Teams use it to evaluate future candidates all the time.

    That's only true for the teams who are not regularly at the front of
    grid. Mercedes, Red Bull or Ferrari have done that at all,
    or certainly not for 10 years. Red Bull last did so in 2006 (their 2nd
    season). McLaren used Lando in 2018 when they were not very competitive.

    The top teams don't want to hamper their two drivers who they hope will
    be fighting for the championship. Lower grid teams also often get much
    needed cash for allowing an up-and-coming driver drive in FP1.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 18:43:06 2020
    Sir Tim wrote:

    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning, but
    woke up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test. He
    had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had
    tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?


    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    "Toto's phone right now" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoK5rAvXEAEmAC-?format=jpg&name=medium

    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Alan Baker
    Enjoy!
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 18:43:34 2020
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning,
    but woke up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test.
    He had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had
    tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?


    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain
    on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any
    chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve
    driver.

    +1

    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Alan Baker
    Enjoy!
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 18:46:46 2020
    Bigbird wrote:

    Sir Tim wrote:

    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning,
    but woke up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test.
    He had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had
    tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?


    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain
    on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any
    chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    "Toto's phone right now" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoK5rAvXEAEmAC-?format=jpg&name=medium


    Jenson Button
    @JensonButton
    .
    @MercedesAMGF1
    I promise I wonrCOt pee in
    @LewisHamilton
    seat!

    All just in fun I am sure.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Alan Baker
    Enjoy!
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 19:13:19 2020
    Bigbird <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Bigbird wrote:

    Sir Tim wrote:

    Brian Lawrence <Brian_W_Lawrence@msn.com> wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/55142428

    Tested negative 3 times last weekend, including Sunday morning,
    but woke up on Monday with mild symptoms and failed another test.
    He had been informed that someone he had recent contact with had
    tested +ive.

    Is the Hulk in Bahrain?


    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain
    on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any
    chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    "Toto's phone right now"
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoK5rAvXEAEmAC-?format=jpg&name=medium


    Jenson Button
    @JensonButton
    .
    @MercedesAMGF1
    I promise I wonrCOt pee in
    @LewisHamilton
    seat!

    All just in fun I am sure.


    ;-)

    (Last time he deputised it didnrCOt go too well IIRC)

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 17:40:08 2020
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver
    I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve
    driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    --
    Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
    Perhaps flamenco guitar is ethically innocent
    of any tendency to induce decay. - John Holbo
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 14:19:24 2020
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver
    I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver. >>
    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From Falscher Bruce@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 21:59:52 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:02:38 PM UTC+8, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    What are the rules about COVID-19 in Bahrain? If this had happened down under, "close contacts" would be sent into quarantine... I think that would be the whole Mercedes team out of action. Then no point in phoning around for another driver.
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 22:10:17 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:59:53 PM UTC-7, Falscher Bruce wrote:

    What are the rules about COVID-19 in Bahrain? If this had happened down under, "close contacts" would be sent into quarantine... I think that would be the whole Mercedes team out of action. Then no point in phoning around for another driver.

    yup. all those no pride losers, playing with hamiltons man bun
    in the pit lane. Talk about fucking gross. Fucking unhygienic
    european pigs
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 22:15:58 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    ya on your pirated download
    you have zero say
    you fucking thief
    you steal from the sport
    contribute fuck all
    except your moaning
    and fucking groaning
    get fucking lost asshole
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 22:20:18 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    <fingers crossed>

    hey cocksucker, that has not helped you
    in your pathetic past. wake the the fuck up
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 22:28:58 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    <fingers crossed>

    so you will be even more fucking useless
    in your daily chores?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 1 22:32:44 2020
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 11:28:59 PM UTC-7, texas gate wrote:
    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:19:26 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    <fingers crossed>
    so you will be even more fucking useless
    in your daily chores?

    all subsidized by the government
    fuck me gently
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 06:42:10 2020
    On 02/12/2020 05:59, Falscher Bruce wrote:

    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:02:38 PM UTC+8, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on
    Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance
    Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?


    What are the rules about COVID-19 in Bahrain? If this had happened down under, "close contacts" would be sent into
    quarantine... I think that would be the whole Mercedes team out of action. Then no point in phoning around for another driver.

    The rules in Bahrain are not relevant to the F1 teams unless they are
    out and about in Bahrain rather than in the
    paddock/hotel/transport/airport bubble.

    The rules inside the paddock/circuit are pretty much the same as they
    were in Austria, Hungary, UK, Spain, Belgium, Italy, Russia, Germany,
    Portugal or Turkey during the previous GPs.

    Under those rules a not-insignificant number of people have tested
    positive and been isolated/quarantined/etc.

    The FIA website has nearly 100 FIA docs about COVID-19.

    <https://www.fia.com/site-search/tags/covid-19-1069>
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 08:17:12 2020
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver
    I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver. >>>
    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with
    Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he
    can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to
    Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years.

    The Mercedes does not seem to go particularly well in traffic (or perhaps
    that is just Bottas) and that is where George would likely be unless he
    could produce a stella qualifying lap. I think he would do well to scrape
    into the top six in the race but that might be seen as failure in such a dominant car.

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From Matt Larkin@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 00:25:28 2020
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 08:17:15 UTC, Sir Tim wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with >> Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.
    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years.

    The Mercedes does not seem to go particularly well in traffic (or perhaps that is just Bottas) and that is where George would likely be unless he could produce a stella qualifying lap. I think he would do well to scrape into the top six in the race but that might be seen as failure in such a dominant car.

    --
    Sir Tim
    Russell confirmed, Aitken backfilling him at Williams.
    Looking forward to seeing him in the Merc in quali!
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 21:37:04 2020
    On 2/12/2020 9:25 pm, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 08:17:15 UTC, Sir Tim wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with >>>> Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in
    front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.
    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he
    can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to
    Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years.

    The Mercedes does not seem to go particularly well in traffic (or perhaps
    that is just Bottas) and that is where George would likely be unless he
    could produce a stella qualifying lap. I think he would do well to scrape
    into the top six in the race but that might be seen as failure in such a
    dominant car.

    --
    Sir Tim
    Russell confirmed, Aitken backfilling him at Williams.

    Looking forward to seeing him in the Merc in quali!

    Yay!

    It seems Bottas is lucky to have a Merc seat next year.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/55152354

    "Mercedes inquired as to Williams' position on Russell in the summer before they confirmed Valtteri
    Bottas for the 2021 season, but were told they were not prepared to release him.
    However, that was under Williams' previous management before their sale to the investment group
    Dorilton Capital in August."
    --
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  • From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 00:41:29 2020
    LH must be pretty hacked off catching C19 in the days before the Bahrain GP. Wonder what happened as he had spoken about being pretty strict with maintaining his bubble?? Also demonstrates the problems of asymptomatic infection and even when regularly tested, the virus didn't show positive until he felt symptoms on Monday. Hopefully he only had a low viral load and will be back for Abu Dhabi. Shame the 100 will elude him.
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 09:18:39 2020
    On 02/12/2020 06:42, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 02/12/2020 05:59, Falscher Bruce wrote:

    On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:02:38 PM UTC+8, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain on
    Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any chance
    Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?


    What are the rules about COVID-19 in Bahrain? If this had happened
    down under, "close contacts" would be sent into quarantine... I think
    that would be the whole Mercedes team out of action. Then no point in
    phoning around for another driver.

    The rules in Bahrain are not relevant to the F1 teams unless they are
    out and about in Bahrain rather than in the
    paddock/hotel/transport/airport bubble.

    The rules inside the paddock/circuit are pretty much the same as they
    were in Austria, Hungary, UK, Spain, Belgium, Italy, Russia, Germany, Portugal or Turkey during the previous GPs.

    Under those rules a not-insignificant number of people have tested
    positive and been isolated/quarantined/etc.

    The FIA website has nearly 100 FIA docs about COVID-19.

    -a-a <https://www.fia.com/site-search/tags/covid-19-1069>

    Autosport had an article about the FIA's protocols in early Oct.


    <https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/152618/fia-covid19-protocols-mean-f1-can-race-anywhere>

    The FIA's director of operations, Bruno Famin, said, "From the very
    beginning of the season after the Melbourne event, when we restarted in Austria, the challenge was not to avoid positive cases."

    "It was of course to avoid as much as we can. But the main thing was to
    have processes, which enable us to keep racing, to keep doing the event,
    even having positive cases, without generating any outbreak within the
    paddock or within the local population. That was the challenge."

    "Then having positive cases is just normal. The challenge is to be able
    to manage it, to identify the close contact, to isolate the close
    contact, to kill the beginning of possible outbreak without having more trouble. That's really the challenge, for all the events where we are
    going."
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  • From alister@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 10:15:43 2020
    On Wed, 02 Dec 2020 08:17:12 +0000, Sir Tim wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to Bahrain >>>>>> on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the drive. Any >>>>>> chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve
    driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out
    with Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to- replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in
    front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what
    he can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years.

    The Mercedes does not seem to go particularly well in traffic (or
    perhaps that is just Bottas) and that is where George would likely be
    unless he could produce a stella qualifying lap. I think he would do
    well to scrape into the top six in the race but that might be seen as
    failure in such a dominant car.

    on the other hand if he does pull it off & actually outperforms Bottas
    (long shot) it could spice up Lewis contract negotiation



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  • From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 03:47:31 2020
    The challenge is to be able to manage it, to identify the close contact, to isolate the close
    contact, to kill the beginning of possible outbreak without having more trouble.

    Absolutely, and from the moment LH arrived in Bahrain - Wednesday?? - he was infected and possibly unknowingly spreading until Monday am??
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 13:52:21 2020
    On 2 Dec 2020 08:17:12 GMT, Sir Tim <bentley@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canAt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, heAs a Mercedes driver
    I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with
    Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in
    front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he
    can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to
    Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years.

    That might apply with the great unwashed but I think the management of
    the other teams won't fall into that trap - they are the people who
    really matter in terms of his career development.

    I will be interested to see how he does; I always had a suspicion that
    he was maybe being over-hyped in the British media; I hope that is not
    the case.



    The Mercedes does not seem to go particularly well in traffic (or perhaps >that is just Bottas) and that is where George would likely be unless he
    could produce a stella qualifying lap. I think he would do well to scrape >into the top six in the race but that might be seen as failure in such a >dominant car.

    I think if he brings the car home in mid-field, that will be a
    significant achievement for his first drive in it.
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 22:55:13 2020
    Sir Tim wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their
    reserve driver. >>>
    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out
    with >> Williams:


    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replac e-hamilton-in-bahrain >> >> Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if
    not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can
    do in front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see
    what he can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be
    compared to Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the
    team for years.

    The Mercedes does not seem to go particularly well in traffic (or
    perhaps that is just Bottas) and that is where George would likely be
    unless he could produce a stella qualifying lap. I think he would do
    well to scrape into the top six in the race but that might be seen as
    failure in such a dominant car.

    I'm not so sure. I think any top six would be seen as more than
    respectable for the first weekend in a car without prior testing or sim
    time.

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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 2 23:26:44 2020
    Bigbird <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    Sir Tim wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the
    drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their
    reserve driver. >>>
    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out
    with >> Williams:


    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replac
    e-hamilton-in-bahrain >> >> Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if
    not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can
    do in front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see
    what he can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be
    compared to Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the
    team for years.

    The Mercedes does not seem to go particularly well in traffic (or
    perhaps that is just Bottas) and that is where George would likely be
    unless he could produce a stella qualifying lap. I think he would do
    well to scrape into the top six in the race but that might be seen as
    failure in such a dominant car.

    I'm not so sure. I think any top six would be seen as more than
    respectable for the first weekend in a car without prior testing or sim
    time.


    On reflection I think you are right. IrCOll certainly be rooting for him.

    --
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 08:01:48 2020
    On 3/12/2020 12:26 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    ectable for the first weekend in a car without prior testing or sim
    time.


    On reflection I think you are right. IrCOll certainly be rooting for him.


    That's leaving yourself wide-open (so to speak) for a Texareshole
    (_)*(_) profound reply !!!

    geoff
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  • From Matt Larkin@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 04:13:11 2020
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 13:52:25 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2020 08:17:12 GMT, Sir Tim <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the >>>>>> drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with >>> Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in >> front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he >can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to >Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years.
    That might apply with the great unwashed but I think the management of
    the other teams won't fall into that trap - they are the people who
    really matter in terms of his career development.

    I will be interested to see how he does; I always had a suspicion that
    he was maybe being over-hyped in the British media; I hope that is not
    the case.
    I think what we've seen in quali is that Russell is undoubtedly quick.
    He regularly puts the car ahead of his rivals in those dying seconds
    when the best qualifiers do their best work. In an F1 race though he's
    yet to really show great prowess.
    Friday pm will be interesting to see how he settles in. Hopefully
    they'll give him as many laps as he can manage (subject to tyres)
    so that he gives himself a good chance on Saturday.
    I just hope that he doesn't end up in a DNF on Sunday!
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 5 12:18:10 2020
    On 5/12/2020 1:13 am, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 13:52:25 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2020 08:17:12 GMT, Sir Tim <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the >>>>>>>> drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with >>>>> Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne.

    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in >>>> front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he >>> can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to
    Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years.
    That might apply with the great unwashed but I think the management of
    the other teams won't fall into that trap - they are the people who
    really matter in terms of his career development.

    I will be interested to see how he does; I always had a suspicion that
    he was maybe being over-hyped in the British media; I hope that is not
    the case.
    I think what we've seen in quali is that Russell is undoubtedly quick.

    He regularly puts the car ahead of his rivals in those dying seconds
    when the best qualifiers do their best work. In an F1 race though he's
    yet to really show great prowess.

    He finished ahead of 4 x WDC Vettel last week in what is arguably the slowest car on the grid.

    Friday pm will be interesting to see how he settles in. Hopefully
    they'll give him as many laps as he can manage (subject to tyres)
    so that he gives himself a good chance on Saturday.

    I just hope that he doesn't end up in a DNF on Sunday!

    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of Verstappen.
    --
    Shaun.

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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 23:48:42 2020
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 1:13 am, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 13:52:25 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2020 08:17:12 GMT, Sir Tim <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to
    Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the >>>>>>>>> drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>>>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with >>>>>> Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne. >>>>>
    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in >>>>> front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative.

    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he >>>> can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to
    Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years. >>> That might apply with the great unwashed but I think the management of
    the other teams won't fall into that trap - they are the people who
    really matter in terms of his career development.

    I will be interested to see how he does; I always had a suspicion that
    he was maybe being over-hyped in the British media; I hope that is not
    the case.
    I think what we've seen in quali is that Russell is undoubtedly quick.

    He regularly puts the car ahead of his rivals in those dying seconds
    when the best qualifiers do their best work. In an F1 race though he's
    yet to really show great prowess.

    He finished ahead of 4 x WDC Vettel last week in what is arguably the
    slowest car on the grid.

    Friday pm will be interesting to see how he settles in. Hopefully
    they'll give him as many laps as he can manage (subject to tyres)
    so that he gives himself a good chance on Saturday.

    I just hope that he doesn't end up in a DNF on Sunday!

    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was being careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to
    get pole.

    --
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 5 16:15:03 2020
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 1:13 am, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 13:52:25 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2020 08:17:12 GMT, Sir Tim <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to >>>>>>>>>> Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the >>>>>>>>>> drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>>>>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with >>>>>>> Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne. >>>>>>
    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in >>>>>> front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative. >>>>>
    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he >>>>> can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to >>>>> Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years. >>>> That might apply with the great unwashed but I think the management of >>>> the other teams won't fall into that trap - they are the people who
    really matter in terms of his career development.

    I will be interested to see how he does; I always had a suspicion that >>>> he was maybe being over-hyped in the British media; I hope that is not >>>> the case.
    I think what we've seen in quali is that Russell is undoubtedly quick.

    He regularly puts the car ahead of his rivals in those dying seconds
    when the best qualifiers do their best work. In an F1 race though he's
    yet to really show great prowess.

    He finished ahead of 4 x WDC Vettel last week in what is arguably the
    slowest car on the grid.

    Friday pm will be interesting to see how he settles in. Hopefully
    they'll give him as many laps as he can manage (subject to tyres)
    so that he gives himself a good chance on Saturday.

    I just hope that he doesn't end up in a DNF on Sunday!

    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was being careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to
    get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former point). Either way, as much as I
    admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to
    this Saturday and Sunday.

    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of Lewis, that he shakes COVID
    quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people
    of colour more than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their systems.)

    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed by a lot of vegan foods
    being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of science that shows supplements are nowhere near as
    effective as natural sources of vitamins.

    As an agnostic the best that I can do is cross my fingers for him and hope that his supreme fitness
    is enough to see him through.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Dec 5 16:17:22 2020
    On 5/12/2020 4:15 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 1:13 am, Matt Larkin wrote:
    On Wednesday, 2 December 2020 at 13:52:25 UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2020 08:17:12 GMT, Sir Tim <ben...@brooklands.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 2/12/2020 11:40 am, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 12/1/2020 1:43 PM, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 1/12/2020 9:02 pm, Sir Tim wrote:

    Stoffel Vandoorne is the reserve driver and will travel to >>>>>>>>>>> Bahrain on Tuesday apparently but I canrCOt see him getting the >>>>>>>>>>> drive. Any chance Russell could stand in, herCOs a Mercedes driver >>>>>>>>>>> I believe?

    I'd love to see Russell in the Merc and Williams run their reserve driver.

    +1

    Looks like it will be Russell if a suitable deal can be worked out with
    Williams:

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153889/russell-frontrunner-to-replace-hamilton-in-bahrain

    Jack Aitken is the Williams reserve; if not Russell then Vandoorne. >>>>>>>
    <fingers crossed> for Russell. I'd really like to see what he can do in >>>>>>> front-running machinery.
    Though that said going in for one race might not be representative. >>>>>>
    Yes, and that could be a problem for him. I too would love to see what he
    can do in a Merc but his performance would inevitably be compared to >>>>>> Hamilton and Bottas, who have both been driving for the team for years. >>>>> That might apply with the great unwashed but I think the management of >>>>> the other teams won't fall into that trap - they are the people who
    really matter in terms of his career development.

    I will be interested to see how he does; I always had a suspicion that >>>>> he was maybe being over-hyped in the British media; I hope that is not >>>>> the case.
    I think what we've seen in quali is that Russell is undoubtedly quick. >>>>
    He regularly puts the car ahead of his rivals in those dying seconds
    when the best qualifiers do their best work.-a In an F1 race though he's >>>> yet to really show great prowess.

    He finished ahead of 4 x WDC Vettel last week in what is arguably the
    slowest car on the grid.

    Friday pm will be interesting to see how he settles in.-a Hopefully
    they'll give him as many laps as he can manage (subject to tyres)
    so that he gives himself a good chance on Saturday.

    I just hope that he doesn't end up in a DNF on Sunday!

    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of Verstappen. >>
    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was being >> careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to
    get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former point). Either way, as much as I
    admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to
    this Saturday and Sunday.

    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of Lewis, that he shakes COVID
    quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people
    of colour more than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their systems.)

    I should also have mentioned that being 'locked in' is detrimental to Vit. D levels.

    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed by a lot of vegan foods
    being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of science that shows supplements are nowhere near as
    effective as natural sources of vitamins.

    As an agnostic the best that I can do is cross my fingers for him and hope that his supreme fitness
    is enough to see him through.


    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Dec 4 19:32:41 2020
    On Friday, December 4, 2020 at 8:15:12 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed by a lot of vegan foods
    being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of science that shows supplements are nowhere near as
    effective as natural sources of vitamins.

    Ya, you sound like a picture of health.
    Can't even wipe your own asshole
    with your sore fucking back.
    Get off the couch you piece of shit.
    Get some exercise.
    Get a fucking job you useless asshole.
    Contribute to society.
    Fucking laying there with your pirated f1 download.
    Bitching and fucking moaning here about the world.
    Logoff stupid.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Dec 6 08:27:19 2020
    On 2020-12-04 7:15 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of
    Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was
    being
    careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to
    get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former point). Either way, as much as I admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to this Saturday and Sunday.

    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of
    Lewis, that he shakes COVID quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people of colour more
    than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their systems.)

    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed
    by a lot of vegan foods being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of science that shows supplements are nowhere near as effective as natural sources of vitamins.

    Give just one example of this "science".


    As an agnostic the best that I can do is cross my fingers for him and
    hope that his supreme fitness is enough to see him through.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 7 11:14:31 2020
    On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 08:27:19 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-04 7:15 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of
    Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was
    being
    careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to >>> get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former point).
    Either way, as much as I admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy
    watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to this Saturday and Sunday. >>
    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of
    Lewis, that he shakes COVID quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror
    stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people of colour more
    than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their systems.)

    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed
    by a lot of vegan foods being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of
    science that shows supplements are nowhere near as effective as natural
    sources of vitamins.

    Give just one example of this "science".

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/synthetic-vs-natural-nutrients

    "[...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    It is unclear how well synthetic nutrients are absorbed and used in
    the body. Your body will use nutrients best when taken in whole food
    form, with a wide variety of food compounds.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Studies about the beneficial health effects of many synthetic
    nutrients have been inconsistent, weak or shown no effect.
    Evidence supports the idea that natural nutrients found in whole foods
    can prevent against a wide range of chronic diseases such as heart
    disease, diabetes, cancer and premature death.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    For certain groups of people at risk of nutritional deficiencies,
    certain synthetic supplements can be beneficial.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Taking large amounts of synthetic nutrients can have harmful health
    effects. Recommended daily doses are safe for most people, but caution
    is advised.

    [...]

    Take Home Message:
    Research consistently shows that synthetic nutrients are no
    replacement for a healthy, balanced diet.

    Getting natural nutrients from whole foods is always a better option.

    However, if you are truly lacking in a specific nutrient, then taking
    a supplement can be beneficial.



    As an agnostic the best that I can do is cross my fingers for him and
    hope that his supreme fitness is enough to see him through.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 7 12:48:07 2020
    On 2020-12-07 3:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 08:27:19 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-04 7:15 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of
    Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was
    being
    careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to >>>> get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former point). >>> Either way, as much as I admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy
    watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to this Saturday and Sunday. >>>
    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of
    Lewis, that he shakes COVID quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror
    stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people of colour more
    than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their systems.) >>>
    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed
    by a lot of vegan foods being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of
    science that shows supplements are nowhere near as effective as natural
    sources of vitamins.

    Give just one example of this "science".

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/synthetic-vs-natural-nutrients

    "[...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    It is unclear how well synthetic nutrients are absorbed and used in
    the body. Your body will use nutrients best when taken in whole food
    form, with a wide variety of food compounds.

    "Unclear" is light-years from "nowhere near as effective".


    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Studies about the beneficial health effects of many synthetic
    nutrients have been inconsistent, weak or shown no effect.
    Evidence supports the idea that natural nutrients found in whole foods
    can prevent against a wide range of chronic diseases such as heart
    disease, diabetes, cancer and premature death.

    You should cite the actual sources and not a pop website analysis.


    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    For certain groups of people at risk of nutritional deficiencies,
    certain synthetic supplements can be beneficial.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Taking large amounts of synthetic nutrients can have harmful health
    effects. Recommended daily doses are safe for most people, but caution
    is advised.

    And why would that be any more dangerous than taking the same amounts of naturally sourcee nutrients?


    [...]

    Take Home Message:
    Research consistently shows that synthetic nutrients are no
    replacement for a healthy, balanced diet.

    Which is another thing entirely.


    Getting natural nutrients from whole foods is always a better option.

    However, if you are truly lacking in a specific nutrient, then taking
    a supplement can be beneficial.



    As an agnostic the best that I can do is cross my fingers for him and
    hope that his supreme fitness is enough to see him through.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 8 12:43:51 2020
    On 8/12/2020 12:14 am, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 08:27:19 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-04 7:15 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of
    Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was
    being
    careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to >>>> get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former point). >>> Either way, as much as I admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy
    watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to this Saturday and Sunday. >>>
    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of
    Lewis, that he shakes COVID quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror
    stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people of colour more
    than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their systems.) >>>
    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed
    by a lot of vegan foods being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of
    science that shows supplements are nowhere near as effective as natural
    sources of vitamins.

    Give just one example of this "science".

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/synthetic-vs-natural-nutrients

    "[...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    It is unclear how well synthetic nutrients are absorbed and used in
    the body. Your body will use nutrients best when taken in whole food
    form, with a wide variety of food compounds.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Studies about the beneficial health effects of many synthetic
    nutrients have been inconsistent, weak or shown no effect.
    Evidence supports the idea that natural nutrients found in whole foods
    can prevent against a wide range of chronic diseases such as heart
    disease, diabetes, cancer and premature death.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    For certain groups of people at risk of nutritional deficiencies,
    certain synthetic supplements can be beneficial.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Taking large amounts of synthetic nutrients can have harmful health
    effects. Recommended daily doses are safe for most people, but caution
    is advised.

    [...]

    Take Home Message:
    Research consistently shows that synthetic nutrients are no
    replacement for a healthy, balanced diet.

    Getting natural nutrients from whole foods is always a better option.

    However, if you are truly lacking in a specific nutrient, then taking
    a supplement can be beneficial.

    Thanks for posting that, I don't see replies from trolls.

    I thought that everyone knew that supplements (synthetic nutrients) were nowhere near as good for
    you as their naturally occurring counterparts. It must be the Dunning-Kruger effect again dammit!
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

    This is not an email and hasn't been checked for viruses by any half-arsed self-promoting software.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Dec 7 15:50:35 2020
    On 2020-12-07 3:43 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 8/12/2020 12:14 am, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 08:27:19 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-04 7:15 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of
    Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was >>>>> being
    careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect
    Valtteri to
    get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former
    point).
    Either way, as much as I admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy >>>> watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to this Saturday and
    Sunday.

    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of
    Lewis, that he shakes COVID quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror >>>> stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people of colour more >>>> than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their
    systems.)

    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed >>>> by a lot of vegan foods being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of
    science that shows supplements are nowhere near as effective as natural >>>> sources of vitamins.

    Give just one example of this "science".

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/synthetic-vs-natural-nutrients

    "[...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    It is unclear how well synthetic nutrients are absorbed and used in
    the body. Your body will use nutrients best when taken in whole food
    form, with a wide variety of food compounds.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Studies about the beneficial health effects of many synthetic
    nutrients have been inconsistent, weak or shown no effect.
    Evidence supports the idea that natural nutrients found in whole foods
    can prevent against a wide range of chronic diseases such as heart
    disease, diabetes, cancer and premature death.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    For certain groups of people at risk of nutritional deficiencies,
    certain synthetic supplements can be beneficial.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Taking large amounts of synthetic nutrients can have harmful health
    effects. Recommended daily doses are safe for most people, but caution
    is advised.

    [...]

    Take Home Message:
    Research consistently shows that synthetic nutrients are no
    replacement for a healthy, balanced diet.

    Getting natural nutrients from whole foods is always a better option.

    However, if you are truly lacking in a specific nutrient, then taking
    a supplement can be beneficial.

    Thanks for posting that, I don't see replies from trolls.

    I thought that everyone knew that supplements (synthetic nutrients) were nowhere near as good for you as their naturally occurring counterparts.
    It must be the Dunning-Kruger effect again dammit!

    It's is almost universally true that one someone says "everyone knows"...

    ...it means it ain't actually true.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 8 09:23:13 2020
    On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 12:48:07 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-07 3:14 a.m., Martin Harran wrote:
    On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 08:27:19 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-12-04 7:15 p.m., ~misfit~ wrote:
    On 5/12/2020 12:48 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    So far so good. Russell's fastest in both FP1 and FP2 ahead of
    Verstappen.

    I think Bottas was pushing to find the limits more whereas George was >>>>> being
    careful not to crash. It was a fine effort but I still expect Valtteri to >>>>> get pole.

    You could well be right (I believe that you are about the former point). >>>> Either way, as much as I admire Hamilton's next-level skills and enjoy >>>> watching him race I'm *really* looking forward to this Saturday and Sunday.

    Also if I were a religious man I'd say a little prayer on behalf of
    Lewis, that he shakes COVID quickly and cleanly. I've read some horror >>>> stories about 'long COVID' and it seems to effect people of colour more >>>> than Europeans (Perhaps due to lower natural Vitamin D in their systems.) >>>>
    Also vegans in general have much lower levels of the stuff as witnessed >>>> by a lot of vegan foods being 'vitamin D fortified'. There's a lot of
    science that shows supplements are nowhere near as effective as natural >>>> sources of vitamins.

    Give just one example of this "science".

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/synthetic-vs-natural-nutrients

    "[...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    It is unclear how well synthetic nutrients are absorbed and used in
    the body. Your body will use nutrients best when taken in whole food
    form, with a wide variety of food compounds.

    "Unclear" is light-years from "nowhere near as effective".


    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Studies about the beneficial health effects of many synthetic
    nutrients have been inconsistent, weak or shown no effect.
    Evidence supports the idea that natural nutrients found in whole foods
    can prevent against a wide range of chronic diseases such as heart
    disease, diabetes, cancer and premature death.

    You should cite the actual sources

    The sources are all given on the page - you clearly didn't bother your
    arse looking, assuming as usual that *you* know better.

    and not a pop website analysis.

    Pop website?

    "Mary Jane McCluggage [author of this particular summary] is a
    registered dietitian currently working in research. She is the founder
    of Yummy Tummies, a weight management program for pregnant women, and
    nutrition lead at BreakFit, a health and fitness service for the 40+.
    Mary Jane studied in North Ireland and in the USA to complete a BSc in
    human nutrition from Ulster University. She then went on to complete
    her PhD focusing on diet, exercise, and weight management in
    pregnancy, and more recently completed a postgraduate diploma in
    dietetics."

    She is only one of a highly qualified team of international medics, nutritionists and dieticians involved in the website:

    Medical Affairs: https://www.healthline.com/about
    Nutrition: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition-team

    But, just like racing, you know better than any so-called expert with
    expertise in the field!




    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    For certain groups of people at risk of nutritional deficiencies,
    certain synthetic supplements can be beneficial.

    [...]

    BOTTOM LINE:
    Taking large amounts of synthetic nutrients can have harmful health
    effects. Recommended daily doses are safe for most people, but caution
    is advised.

    And why would that be any more dangerous than taking the same amounts of >naturally sourcee nutrients?

    Just the first two of 10 references from the page on that particular
    aspect:

    Rothman KJ, Moore LL, Singer MR, Nguyen US, Mannino S, Milunsky A. Teratogenicity of high vitamin A intake. N Engl J Med. 1995 Nov 23;333(21):1369-73. doi: 10.1056/NEJM199511233332101. PMID: 7477116.

    Miller ER 3rd, Pastor-Barriuso R, Dalal D, Riemersma RA, Appel LJ,
    Guallar E. Meta-analysis: high-dosage vitamin E supplementation may
    increase all-cause mortality. Ann Intern Med. 2005 Jan 4;142(1):37-46.
    doi: 10.7326/0003-4819-142-1-200501040-00110. Epub 2004 Nov 10. PMID:
    15537682.




    [...]

    Take Home Message:
    Research consistently shows that synthetic nutrients are no
    replacement for a healthy, balanced diet.

    Which is another thing entirely.

    Is this you trying yet again to distract from the vacuousness of your
    claims by seeking to start a semantic argument about "nowhere near as effective" vs "no replacement for"?



    Getting natural nutrients from whole foods is always a better option.

    However, if you are truly lacking in a specific nutrient, then taking
    a supplement can be beneficial.



    As an agnostic the best that I can do is cross my fingers for him and
    hope that his supreme fitness is enough to see him through.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 8 13:17:50 2020
    On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:43:51 +1300, ~misfit~
    <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]


    Thanks for posting that, I don't see replies from trolls.

    I thought that everyone knew that supplements (synthetic nutrients) were nowhere near as good for
    you as their naturally occurring counterparts. It must be the Dunning-Kruger effect again dammit!

    It's an area I have some personal interest in. I have 6 stents and a
    very bad family history with 5 of my brothers having had heart
    attacks; it is an ongoing problem - I got my most recent stent just
    last January and my cardiologist reckons I will need more in a couple
    of years.

    When I got my first 4 stents thirteen years ago, I was put on 80 mg of
    statins daily to get my cholesterol as low as possible. Unfortunately,
    I am one of those people who gets very unpleasant side effects from
    statins. I have worked hard over the years with my cardiologist,
    cardiac nurse and dietician to get the cholesterol under control
    naturally to the extent that I am now down to overall cholesterol of
    3.5 and, more importantly, LDL at 1.8 with only 5mg statins daily
    which I can comfortably tolerate.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Wed Dec 9 12:28:13 2020
    On 9/12/2020 2:17 am, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:43:51 +1300, ~misfit~
    <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    [...]
    Thanks for posting that, I don't see replies from trolls.

    I thought that everyone knew that supplements (synthetic nutrients) were nowhere near as good for
    you as their naturally occurring counterparts. It must be the Dunning-Kruger effect again dammit!

    It's an area I have some personal interest in. I have 6 stents and a
    very bad family history with 5 of my brothers having had heart
    attacks; it is an ongoing problem - I got my most recent stent just
    last January and my cardiologist reckons I will need more in a couple
    of years.

    When I got my first 4 stents thirteen years ago, I was put on 80 mg of statins daily to get my cholesterol as low as possible. Unfortunately,
    I am one of those people who gets very unpleasant side effects from
    statins. I have worked hard over the years with my cardiologist,
    cardiac nurse and dietician to get the cholesterol under control
    naturally to the extent that I am now down to overall cholesterol of
    3.5 and, more importantly, LDL at 1.8 with only 5mg statins daily
    which I can comfortably tolerate.

    Well done. Often the 'cure' can be almost as bad as the disease.

    I have a different approach to cardiovascular disease (not that I've ever had it mind you <fingers
    crossed>). health and nutrition. I'm of the school who believes that cholesterol is used by the
    body to repair damage and the initial problem is usually inflammatory, often bought on by consuming
    (relatively) large quantities of over-processed carbohydrates (including alcohol). Predisposition
    to it can be hereditary but also can run in families partly due to learned diet / lifestyle.

    Where there is inflammation the body sends the repair crew to try to deal with the situation.
    However if the root cause isn't sorted the 'cure' can cause it's own issues.

    It's still a controversial theory but there's mounting evidence for it among some very learned
    doctors, dieticians and endocrinologists.

    I eat as little processed food (bread, cake, noodles etc.) as possible and am on a very low carb /
    extremely low processed carb diet. Not quite fully 'Ketogenic' because I don't have the money for
    that, finance requires that I get some of my calories from carb-rich (but minimally processed)
    sources such as porridge and baked beans. However I eat a lot of eggs, chicken, pork and fish
    (usually tinned salmon) and get most of my energy from those sources.

    I also have a (manual) mincer and buy and bone out shoulder pork whenever it's 'on special', mince
    it with pork liver (and a few other things) and make my large batches of own version of 'haslet' or
    faggot meatloaf. I slice it and freeze it, this is my 'superfood'. I then microwave a slice of that
    with half a kilo of frozen mixed veges and you it's hard to beat the nutritional value of that for
    the money. Organ meat and liver in particular is very nutrient dense.

    My cholesterol levels are higher than those recommended by the medical profession and many's the
    time doctors have told me that I need to be on statins - even though I have no history of CHD.

    I also incorporate intermittent fasting into my life. My main reasons for this lifestyle are it
    also reduces the chances of diabetes and cancer, both of which are no strangers to my family.
    Eating large quantities of processed carbs is a relatively new thing (evolutionarily speaking) for
    most of the human race - as is heart disease, diabetes, dental caries, obesity and a multitude of
    'lesser' ailments such as allergies and asthma.

    Now I'm not a doctor or dietician and am not suggesting that you (or anybody) 'do as I say'. What I
    would like to suggest to anybody is a little research into the subject, even if it's just for your
    own edification. Mainstream medicine is too heavily invested in the status quo (and reliant on
    funding by big pharma, starting at med school and continuing through to practice). The food
    industry and governments likewise are hugely invested in the supply of large quantities of
    processed carbohydrate to feed the masses (three times a day!). Turning such a juggernaut around
    would take massive effort and so it resists.

    Here's a youtube channel that's a start. It's long-form so requires some time investment:
    <https://www.youtube.com/c/drjasonfung1/videos>
    For a shorter form, more populist (but still useful) insight there's this guy: <https://www.youtube.com/c/WhatIveLearned/videos>
    He also covers other things but there are some on-topic gems there.

    Like anything these days there are fanatics who take both sides of a discussion to extremes. There
    are also people with vested interests who will fight to the death to keep their revenue stream. I'm
    sure that you're aware of this but I mention it as, the further you research this subject the more
    likely it is you'll encounter them. Some of them have titles like 'head of the heart foundation'
    (for instance).

    I wish you all the best,
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 8 21:27:19 2020
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:28:18 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    you said you come here for f1 discussion
    what is your gay fuck problem?
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 8 21:28:55 2020
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:28:18 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    I wish you all the best,

    like fuck you do
    you piece of shit
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 8 21:35:56 2020
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 6:17:52 AM UTC-7, Martin Harran wrote:
    On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:43:51 +1300, ~misfit~
    <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]

    Thanks for posting that, I don't see replies from trolls.

    I thought that everyone knew that supplements (synthetic nutrients) were nowhere near as good for
    you as their naturally occurring counterparts. It must be the Dunning-Kruger effect again dammit!
    It's an area I have some personal interest in. I have 6 stents and a
    very bad family history with 5 of my brothers having had heart
    attacks; it is an ongoing problem - I got my most recent stent just
    last January and my cardiologist reckons I will need more in a couple
    of years.

    When I got my first 4 stents thirteen years ago, I was put on 80 mg of statins daily to get my cholesterol as low as possible. Unfortunately,
    I am one of those people who gets very unpleasant side effects from
    statins. I have worked hard over the years with my cardiologist,
    cardiac nurse and dietician to get the cholesterol under control
    naturally to the extent that I am now down to overall cholesterol of
    3.5 and, more importantly, LDL at 1.8 with only 5mg statins daily
    which I can comfortably tolerate.

    thank you harry martin
    you got 6 stents because you are dumb
    this is a f1 news group
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Dec 8 21:38:52 2020
    On Tuesday, December 8, 2020 at 4:28:18 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    Like anything these days

    yup, useless cock suckers like you
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