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    From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 09:36:11 2020
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 03:10:42 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim

    Ahhh, these modern drivers can't drive blah, blah.
    I'm sure someone is spouting that stuff somewhere.

    I've driven at Sandown with a new surface and very light rain. It was like oil. --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 00:23:50 2020
    On 15/11/2020 12:10 am, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim

    Ahhh, these modern drivers can't drive blah, blah.
    I'm sure someone is spouting that stuff somewhere.

    I've driven at Sandown with a new surface and very light rain. It was like oil.


    I'm sure MasturBaker has driven better on newer and wetter and oilier
    tracks.

    geoff
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 03:30:47 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 10:23:58 PM UTC+11, geoff wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 12:10 am, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim

    Ahhh, these modern drivers can't drive blah, blah.
    I'm sure someone is spouting that stuff somewhere.

    I've driven at Sandown with a new surface and very light rain. It was like oil.

    I'm sure MasturBaker has driven better on newer and wetter and oilier tracks.

    geoff

    That is a petty, childish response son.
    tsk, tsk.
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 03:48:56 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim

    Ice-Stanbul
    He he he,
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 04:12:46 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 10:48:57 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim
    Ice-Stanbul
    He he he,

    Notice how high the cars are. The setup would be interesting to know.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 12:29:23 2020
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!

    Safety car is doing well ...

    Cheers

    Geoff
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 04:34:55 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 12:42:21 2020
    On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.


    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to
    have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 04:59:23 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to
    have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 05:01:53 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to
    have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga

    They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 05:12:20 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga
    They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?

    Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 05:20:58 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga
    They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
    Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.

    Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 05:28:34 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:21:00 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga
    They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
    Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.
    Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.

    F1 is running two categories today, they have the 'Max Class' then the F1's. --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 05:52:04 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:28:35 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:21:00 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to
    have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga
    They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
    Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.
    Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.
    F1 is running two categories today, they have the 'Max Class' then the F1's.

    Lance must have bribed his way to pole, huh ? You know who that's addressed to. --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 09:50:38 2020
    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
    my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
    actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point
    where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a
    better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
    timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
    wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
    the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
    full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.

    :-)
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 09:51:57 2020
    On 2020-11-14 5:28 a.m., build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:21:00 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>> On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>>>> On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to >>>>>> have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga
    They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
    Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.
    Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.

    F1 is running two categories today, they have the 'Max Class' then the F1's.


    Not the "far beyond everyone" class?

    ;-)
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  • From Kent Bailer@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 10:09:43 2020
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 4:23:58 AM UTC-7, geoff wrote:

    I'm sure MasturBaker has driven better on newer and wetter and oilier tracks.

    now you are embarrassing your self
    with your twisted obsession
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 14:13:10 2020

    On 11/14/2020 12:50 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of
    the timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates
    for Q3, and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing contact pressures were going to give the best grip.

    Max set his first fast time on full wets, then aborted his second,
    faster lap and came in to switch because Perez, on intermediates, had
    beaten that time. I believe Stroll stayed on wets throughout; Perez
    stuck with intermediates and ended up third.

    This was a matter of being on the right tire *for the car one was
    driving* and getting a clean lap at the end when the track was fastest.

    First pole for Stroll of course, and first pole for Racing Point under
    that name. The most recent first pole for a constructor before this
    was. . .Force India in Belgium, in 2009.

    --
    Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
    Other pollsters complain about declining response rates,
    but our poll showed that 96% of respondents would be
    'somewhat likely' or 'very likely' to agree to answer
    a series of questions for a survey. - Randall Munroe
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Mark Jackson@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 14:48:25 2020
    On 11/14/2020 2:13 PM, Mark Jackson wrote:
    On 11/14/2020 12:50 PM, Alan Baker wrote:

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of
    the timing charts. I just read that the team went with
    intermediates for Q3, and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly
    conditions where maximizing contact pressures were going to give
    the best grip.

    Max set his first fast time on full wets, then aborted his second,
    faster lap and came in to switch because Perez, on intermediates,
    had beaten that time. I believe Stroll stayed on wets throughout;
    Perez stuck with intermediates and ended up third.

    Correction: Stroll pitted and switched near the end of the session - so
    the top three qualifiers were all on intermediates.

    --
    Mark Jackson - http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~mjackson
    Other pollsters complain about declining response rates,
    but our poll showed that 96% of respondents would be
    'somewhat likely' or 'very likely' to agree to answer
    a series of questions for a survey. - Randall Munroe
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
    * Origin: SportNet Gateway Site (24:150/2)
  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 17:53:52 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
    my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy.

    The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.
    LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.
    DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.
    They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.
    Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
    Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
    I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.

    build

    But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
    the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
    full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.

    :-)
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 18:00:29 2020
    On 2020-11-14 5:53 p.m., build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
    my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
    actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point
    where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a
    better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
    timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing
    contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
    wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy.

    The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.

    Except when they don't... ...as has happened many times in the past.

    LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.

    I stand correct.

    DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.

    So they DIDN'T know what they were doing? You seem to be contradicting yourself

    They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.
    Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
    Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
    I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.

    Again, you literally JUST said that "F1 teams *know* what they are doing".

    Are you contradicting yourself... ...again?
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 18:14:08 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 1:00:31 PM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 5:53 p.m., build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
    actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
    timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy.

    The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.
    Except when they don't... ...as has happened many times in the past.
    LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.
    I stand correct.
    DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.
    So they DIDN'T know what they were doing? You seem to be contradicting yourself
    They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.
    Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
    Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
    I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.
    Again, you literally JUST said that "F1 teams *know* what they are doing".

    Are you contradicting yourself... ...again?

    No.
    You are a nice bloke but too well balanced, please knock at least one of them off.

    build
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 19:50:03 2020
    On 2020-11-14 6:14 p.m., build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 1:00:31 PM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 5:53 p.m., build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
    actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>> they were crazy.

    The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.
    Except when they don't... ...as has happened many times in the past.
    LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.
    I stand correct.
    DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.
    So they DIDN'T know what they were doing? You seem to be contradicting
    yourself
    They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.
    Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
    Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
    I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.
    Again, you literally JUST said that "F1 teams *know* what they are doing". >>
    Are you contradicting yourself... ...again?

    No.
    You are a nice bloke but too well balanced, please knock at least one of them off.

    Sorry... ...I'm doing the best I can.

    :-)
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 17:22:24 2020
    On 15/11/2020 12:48 am, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim

    Ice-Stanbul
    He he he,


    That is a petty, childish response son.
    tsk, tsk

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 17:23:42 2020
    On 15/11/2020 2:28 am, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:21:00 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:12:22 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 12:01:55 AM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:59:25 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:42:23 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>> On 14/11/2020 12:34, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 11:29:26 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote: >>>>>>>> On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!
    Safety car is doing well ...

    Some of the spray on one straight looked like more than surface water. And a couple of minor rivers across the track. BUT, Bernd knows what he's doing, we can trust his opinion.

    I think it was still raining while when he first started. Appears to >>>>>> have stopped now and apparently there is a gap where it should dry up a bit.

    Cheers

    Geoff
    Bugga !
    Bugga
    Bugga
    They need to give them more than 3 min. Maybe add 5 more?
    Daylight between Max and the rest ! Kids good.
    Q2, well done pink team ! Yey.

    F1 is running two categories today, they have the 'Max Class' then the F1's.


    While you're down there ....

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 17:24:54 2020
    On 15/11/2020 6:50 am, Alan Baker wrote:


    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.

    :-)



    Obviously made your day ....

    geoff
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 20:46:32 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 3:22:31 PM UTC+11, geoff wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 12:48 am, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim

    Ice-Stanbul
    He he he,

    That is a petty, childish response son.
    tsk, tsk
    geoff

    The comment was pinched from Sky, perhaps you weren't watching.
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 14 22:25:56 2020
    On 2020-11-14 8:24 p.m., geoff wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 6:50 am, Alan Baker wrote:


    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously)
    "far beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the
    driver's ability is emphasized.

    :-)



    Obviously made your day

    Only in the sense that so many fanbois were heartbroken.

    :-)
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 08:33:55 2020
    Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 08:42:54 2020
    On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
    Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.

    And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes",
    according to Sky.

    Cheers

    Geoff.
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 00:53:49 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:42:55 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
    Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.
    And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes", according to Sky.

    Cheers

    Geoff.

    Cross fingers it is enough and not too much.

    Does anyone else have fingers crossed for both Alex and Checo ? LOL.
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 09:08:54 2020
    On 15/11/2020 08:53, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:42:55 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
    Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.
    And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes",
    according to Sky.

    Cross fingers it is enough and not too much.

    Does anyone else have fingers crossed for both Alex and Checo ? LOL.

    I want Russel to get points.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 01:18:03 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 2:50:06 PM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 6:14 p.m., build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 1:00:31 PM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-11-14 5:53 p.m., build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 4:50:53 AM UTC+11, Alan Baker wrote: >>>> On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
    wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>> they were crazy.

    The F1 teams *know* what they are doing.
    Except when they don't... ...as has happened many times in the past.
    LS, MV, SP, AA, LH, VB, AG, all finished Q3 on Inters.
    I stand correct.
    DR, EO, KR, stayed on Wets.
    So they DIDN'T know what they were doing? You seem to be contradicting
    yourself
    They all went to inters after Checo who did the entire session on Inters did a lap over 5 seconds faster than anyone.
    Max's inters had 16 laps on them, preferring scrubbed tyres to bedding in new ones. That may be looked at in the debrief.
    Checo's Inters had 6 laps and Lance 4.
    I strongly suggest you listen to the tyre discussions post qually drivers pen interviews.
    Again, you literally JUST said that "F1 teams *know* what they are doing".

    Are you contradicting yourself... ...again?

    No.
    You are a nice bloke but too well balanced, please knock at least one of them off.
    Sorry... ...I'm doing the best I can.

    :-)

    How would you like a marquee over your grid spot.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 22:37:38 2020
    On 15/11/2020 5:46 pm, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 3:22:31 PM UTC+11, geoff wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 12:48 am, build wrote:
    On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 8:36:14 PM UTC+11, Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!


    --
    Sir Tim

    Ice-Stanbul
    He he he,

    That is a petty, childish response son.
    tsk, tsk
    geoff

    The comment was pinched from Sky, perhaps you weren't watching.


    Yeah, but not listening.

    And that's why VER did so well. All those years ice-skating on the canals.

    geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 22:41:07 2020
    On 15/11/2020 9:53 pm, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:42:55 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
    Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.
    And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes",
    according to Sky.

    Cheers

    Geoff.

    Cross fingers it is enough and not too much.

    Does anyone else have fingers crossed for both Alex and Checo ? LOL.


    Checo especially - I feel that he's had a rough run, for no obvious
    reason. Surely deserves a drive a lot more than some of the others who
    do have contracts.

    Albon seems to have been more of an architect of his own destiny, of late.

    geoff
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 01:51:47 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 8:41:18 PM UTC+11, geoff wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 9:53 pm, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:42:55 PM UTC+11, Geoff May wrote:
    On 15/11/2020 08:33, Geoff May wrote:
    Current weather appears to be sunny but cloudy.
    And there is a cloud that is about to drop its load in "5 minutes",
    according to Sky.

    Cheers

    Geoff.

    Cross fingers it is enough and not too much.

    Does anyone else have fingers crossed for both Alex and Checo ? LOL.

    Checo especially - I feel that he's had a rough run, for no obvious
    reason. Surely deserves a drive a lot more than some of the others who
    do have contracts.

    Albon seems to have been more of an architect of his own destiny, of late.

    geoff

    Do you remember Mansell at Lotus?
    Perhaps the same or similar with Alex at RedBull. Perhaps, just perhaps he'd come alive in another team with another car? We may never know but Alex did excel in the junior formula's.

    Checo is a great racer, I like his style. Unfortunately too many see him as a pay driver because of Carlos Sims support but Checo is no slouch. Look at Checo v the Hulk !

    build
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 02:28:39 2020
    Pit Gap is 19 secs for anyone who wants to know.
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 02:49:26 2020
    OK Max give us a recovery drive ... please.
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 03:01:22 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:49:27 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    OK Max give us a recovery drive ... please.

    Interestingly: LH, MV, VB all on scrubbed (used) Inters ! ! !
    Hmmmm,
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 03:35:04 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 10:01:23 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:49:27 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    OK Max give us a recovery drive ... please.
    Interestingly: LH, MV, VB all on scrubbed (used) Inters ! ! !
    Hmmmm,

    Charles, Seb, Carlos and Alex could finish on these tyres.
    LH and Checo will need a new set.
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 03:46:07 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 10:35:05 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 10:01:23 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 9:49:27 PM UTC+11, build wrote:
    OK Max give us a recovery drive ... please.
    Interestingly: LH, MV, VB all on scrubbed (used) Inters ! ! !
    Hmmmm,
    Charles, Seb, Carlos and Alex could finish on these tyres.
    LH and Checo will need a new set.

    WOW, well done Lewis. This set of Inters will have done 53 laps if he stays on them !
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  • From nospam@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 21:49:30 2020
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
    my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
    the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
    full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    --
    AnthonyL

    Why ever wait to finish a job before starting the next?
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 22:06:36 2020
    AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
    my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
    actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point
    where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a
    better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
    timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing
    contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
    wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
    the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
    full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far
    beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    LOL


    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 11:19:21 2020
    On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
    my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
    actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point
    where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a
    better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the
    timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing
    contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
    the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
    full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    LOL



    And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers
    in the wet" bit.

    Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
    intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make
    him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he
    will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.

    geoff
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 22:36:23 2020
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we
    actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>> full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    LOL



    And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers
    in the wet" bit.

    Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient, intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make
    him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he
    will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.

    IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
    natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.

    --
    Sir Tim
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  • From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 14:42:35 2020
    Max on Sunday - complete and utter shambles. Nuff said.
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  • From Heron@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 15 16:46:51 2020
    On 11/15/2020 4:42 PM, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    Max on Sunday - complete and utter shambles. Nuff said.

    He's better than Lewis; don't you know anything?
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 15:22:15 2020
    On 16/11/2020 11:36 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>> full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>>>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    LOL



    And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers
    in the wet" bit.

    Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
    intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make
    him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he
    will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.

    IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
    natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.

    Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
    know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 07:27:36 2020
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights
    package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in
    my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving
    day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track
    felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much
    bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left
    in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that
    they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of
    the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have
    almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2
    full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's
    ability is emphasized.

    :-)



    Thank you, I've had a difficult few days and really needed a good
    laugh.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 09:05:24 2020
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:36 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was >>>>>> no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights >>>>>> package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered >>>>>> in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>>> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much >>>>>> bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3, >>>>>> and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit >>>>>> wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have >>>>>> almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>>> full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far >>>>>> beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's >>>>>> ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    LOL



    And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers
    in the wet" bit.

    Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
    intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make
    him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he
    will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.

    IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
    natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but >> todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully
    rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.

    Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
    newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
    know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.

    I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience
    and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was
    wrong.

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  • From nospam@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 09:35:45 2020
    On 16 Nov 2020 09:05:24 GMT, Sir Tim <bentley@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:

    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:36 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights >>>>>>> package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>>>> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much >>>>>>> bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
    wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have >>>>>>> almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>>>> full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far
    beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's >>>>>>> ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    LOL



    And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers >>>> in the wet" bit.

    Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
    intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make >>>> him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he >>>> will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.

    IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
    natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but >>> todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully
    rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.

    Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
    newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
    know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.

    I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience >and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was >wrong.


    He's fine - just team orders in case HAM messed it up.

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 22:39:03 2020
    On 16/11/2020 10:05 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    fully
    rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.

    Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
    newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
    know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.

    I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was wrong.


    No no no. It was the Team Orders to ensure HAM got the prize. They did
    over-do it a bit though ...

    geoff
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  • From larkim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 02:51:55 2020
    On Monday, 16 November 2020 at 09:39:10 UTC, geoff wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 10:05 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at...@gmail.com> wrote:
    fully
    rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.

    Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
    newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
    know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.

    I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience
    and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was wrong.

    No no no. It was the Team Orders to ensure HAM got the prize. They did over-do it a bit though ...

    geoff
    Yep; I saw Toto pushing the "spin" button, and even though they claimed to be inter tyres, they really put Bottas on slicks with grooves painted into them.

    Why can't people just see the team orders in plain slight like I can. Hamilton is
    no better than Stroll or Latifi, he's just lucked into the best car on the grid.

    Even Verstappen was told to follow Merc orders today so that the story was better in the press, and the way that they arranged for Vettel to be on the podium was left a little too late so it looked really obvious.

    Hamilton - Shamilton more like ;-)
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 11:53:19 2020
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:

    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!

    One major factor yesterday was the track temp. At the start it was
    14 and rose to 17 by the end of the race.

    The recent Nurburgring GP had a range of 15-19, but no one used
    Inters/Extremes there.

    No GPs in 2018 or 2019 had temps that low - the only seasons I have
    access to temp data. Actually Wikipedia has both air & track temps
    since ~2012, only a single number though, not a range.


    Wikipedia has a page of F1 records that claims the coldest GP was
    in 1978, at Montreal, where the air temp was 5.

    Apparently at the 'ring in 2009 the air temp was 10.

    I doubt that many (any) of the coldest races by air temp included the
    use of wet weather tyres.

    Added to the lack of temp in the tyres yesterday, we also had a
    track which was as smooth as an ice rink, with a coating of
    water.

    Ted Kravitz discussed the track surface on Saturday evening.


    <https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12132520/turkish-gp-qualifying-wrap>
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  • From build@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 04:29:21 2020
    Did anyone else notice the flag over Seb Vettel was the Mexican flag ?
    LOL.
    I wonder if Checo got the German flag?

    Hmmm, I wonder what Lewis got? The Confederate flag LOL.
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  • From Martin Harran@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 12:37:47 2020
    On Mon, 16 Nov 2020 04:29:21 -0800 (PST), build <buildy@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    Did anyone else notice the flag over Seb Vettel was the Mexican flag ?
    LOL.
    I wonder if Checo got the German flag?

    Hmmm, I wonder what Lewis got? The Confederate flag LOL.

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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 07:21:57 2020
    On Sunday, November 15, 2020 at 7:22:18 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
    know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.

    you are full of shit
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Nov 17 10:25:43 2020
    On 17/11/2020 1:29 am, build wrote:
    Did anyone else notice the flag over Seb Vettel was the Mexican flag ?
    LOL.
    I wonder if Checo got the German flag?

    Hmmm, I wonder what Lewis got? The Confederate flag LOL.


    Yeah they had the German and Mexican flags reversed initially, but soon
    fixed it.

    geoff
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Nov 17 11:30:57 2020
    On 16/11/2020 10:05 pm, Sir Tim wrote:
    ~misfit~ <shaun.at.pukekohe@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:36 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 16/11/2020 11:06 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    AnthonyL <nospam@please.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 09:50:38 -0800, Alan Baker
    <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

    On 2020-11-14 1:36 a.m., Sir Tim wrote:
    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!



    With the time difference, and the way I get my local coverage, there was
    no way for me to time delay, so I've only just seen the highlights >>>>>>> package, but... ...wow.

    I've been on a track with something like that little grip, but never in >>>>>>> my Formula F; never in any race car. I did a high performance driving >>>>>>> day a few years ago in my Miata when our track was wet and still covered
    in the muck from all the winter rain, and the first session on track >>>>>>> felt a lot like that looked. And there was one racing school where we >>>>>>> actually got rain and hail mixed together, but it happened at the point >>>>>>> where the students were driving.

    Bravo, Lance! Rain is a great leveller and makes the driver a much >>>>>>> bigger part of the equation, so it looks like someone should give him a >>>>>>> better car so we can see what he could really do in the dry.

    Max Verstappen: it doesn't surprise me that he was near the top of the >>>>>>> timing charts. I just read that the team went with intermediates for Q3,
    and I CANNOT believe it. Those were clearly conditions where maximizing >>>>>>> contact pressures were going to give the best grip. They actually left >>>>>>> in a radio communication at 50 seconds between Sainz and the McLaren pit
    wall that "inter looks best", and I mumbled to myself at the time that >>>>>>> they were crazy. But despite a poor tire choice, Max is clearly one of >>>>>>> the very best drivers in the wet, and the very best in the wet have >>>>>>> almost always been among the very best overall. In Q2, he was nearly 2 >>>>>>> full seconds faster than the next best

    Which forces me to wonder why the driver who is supposed to be
    (according to some here who've defended that position vociferously) "far
    beyond everyone" didn't do better in conditions where the driver's >>>>>>> ability is emphasized.


    Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

    LOL



    And LOL even harder re the "Max is clearly one of the very best drivers >>>> in the wet" bit.

    Well actually he can be, but he can also be impetuous, impatient,
    intolerant, obnoxious, and a few other things that can combine to make >>>> him somewhat less than the complete package on occasions. Presumably he >>>> will grow out of it, but shows few signs so far.

    IrCOm one of MaxrCOs biggest fans and IrCOm sure he will be WDC one day - he has
    natural speed and amazing car control. I thought he had really matured but >>> todayrCOs performance shows that he has a way to go before he becomes a fully
    rounded driver with the sort of race intelligence that Hamilton has.

    Which is why I left him out of my pool pick for a race on a
    newly-surfaced track. I just didn't
    know that rain was forecast when I entered or I'd have left Bottas out too.

    I would have expected Bottas to go well: I think he has rallying experience and Finnish drivers tend to be good in slippery conditions. Seems I was wrong.

    Not really. It's not the grip levels per se that would have excluded Bottas from my pick, rather
    his driving under pressure isn't as good as it might be IMO (especially considering it was his last
    chance to stay in the fight for WDC).

    Also he doesn't get through traffic like his team-mate does so add that into the mix and I didn't
    expect much from him once I saw the conditions.

    An interesting statistic to see would be on-track passes over the last few seasons, Hamilton Vs
    Bottas. It seems to me that Bottas seems to get 'stuck in the pack' a lot more often than Hamilton
    does when they get dropped back due to a pitstop etc.
    --
    Shaun.

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    in the DSM"
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Tue Nov 17 11:37:21 2020
    On 17/11/2020 12:53 am, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 14/11/2020 09:36, Sir Tim wrote:

    Blimey: very low grip track + rain = DRAMA!

    One major factor yesterday was the track temp. At the start it was
    14 and rose to 17 by the end of the race.

    The recent Nurburgring GP had a range of 15-19, but no one used Inters/Extremes there.

    No GPs in 2018 or 2019 had temps that low - the only seasons I have
    access to temp data. Actually Wikipedia has both air & track temps
    since ~2012, only a single number though, not a range.


    Wikipedia has a page of F1 records that claims the coldest GP was
    in 1978, at Montreal, where the air temp was 5.

    Apparently at the 'ring in 2009 the air temp was 10.

    I doubt that many (any) of the coldest races by air temp included the use of wet weather tyres.

    Added to the lack of temp in the tyres yesterday, we also had a
    track which was as smooth as an ice rink, with a coating of
    water.

    It was certainly a unique set of circumstances that rewarded experienced drivers (as evidenced by
    the podium). I'm actually surprised that Kimi didn't do better than 15th.

    Ted Kravitz discussed the track surface on Saturday evening.


    <https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/12132520/turkish-gp-qualifying-wrap>

    Unfortunately the website tells me the video can't be viewed from my 'current country or location'
    (are they suggesting that I move?).
    --
    Shaun.

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    in the DSM"
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 16 15:06:36 2020
    On Monday, November 16, 2020 at 3:37:27 PM UTC-7, ~misfit~ wrote:

    (are they suggesting that I move?).

    like you have the funds to move out of your shithole
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