'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not frustrated
about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
On 12/11/2020 7:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:
'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not
frustrated about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing
against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
So presumably only very occasionally is BOT considered amongst that 90%,
by the man with the driving style of MSC.
On 2020-11-11 12:59 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 12/11/2020 7:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:
'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not
frustrated about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing >>> against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
So presumably only very occasionally is BOT considered amongst that
90%, by the man with the driving style of MSC.
That is clearly not a conclusion you can draw, Geoff...
...and you know it.
I agree that Hamilton is better than Bottas, and clearly Verstappen did
not mean that anyone in the same car as Lewis could beat Lewis.
And I don't think you really want to delve to deeply into characterizing driving styles, either...
...given that Hamilton has 74% MORE lifetime penalty points than Verstappen...
...and infinitely more than Verstappen currently on his licence (8
points to zero)...
...and the most current points of any driver in F1...
...but points to you for trying the ad hominem!
<https://www.motorsport.com/f1/standings/2020/?type=Driver&class=Penalty+points>
Pity for you you don't check your facts before exposing YOUR biases, hmmm?
:-)
'oI have a lot of respect for what theyAve achieved. IAm not frustrated about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
oTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing against Lewis, heAs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
'oI have a lot of respect for what theyAve achieved. IAm not frustrated >about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
oTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing >against Lewis, heAs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
On 2020-11-11 12:59 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 12/11/2020 7:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:
'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not
frustrated about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing >>> against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
So presumably only very occasionally is BOT considered amongst that
90%, by the man with the driving style of MSC.
That is clearly not a conclusion you can draw, Geoff...
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 10:41:09 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
'oI have a lot of respect for what theyAve achieved. IAm not frustrated >>about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
oTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing >>against Lewis, heAs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
Hmmm ... assuming he's not talking about winning the odd race, Bottas
must be in the bottom 10% of the field.
BTW, who here has ever said they "accept the word of any F1 driver"?
Also, lashing out at "you lot", especially in the title of a post, is typically an indication a fit of pique rather than a rational
argument.
Just sayin'
On 12/11/2020 9:23 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
BTW, who here has ever said they "accept the word of any F1 driver"?
Also, lashing out at "you lot", especially in the title of a post, is
typically an indication a fit of pique rather than a rational
argument.
Just sayin'
So someone who's been acting like a child for years continues to do so?
Nothing to see here...
Have you ever wondered why the person who is one of the most prolific posters here (and driver open
wheel ... cars) doesn't take part in the pool?
On 2020-11-11 12:59 p.m., geoff wrote:
On 12/11/2020 7:41 am, Alan Baker wrote:
'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not
frustrated about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing >>> against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
So presumably only very occasionally is BOT considered amongst that 90%,
by the man with the driving style of MSC.
That is clearly not a conclusion you can draw, Geoff...
...and you know it.
I agree that Hamilton is better than Bottas, and clearly Verstappen did
not mean that anyone in the same car as Lewis could beat Lewis.
And I don't think you really want to delve to deeply into characterizing driving styles, either...
...given that Hamilton has 74% MORE lifetime penalty points than Verstappen...
...and infinitely more than Verstappen currently on his licence (8
points to zero)...
...and the most current points of any driver in F1...
...but points to you for trying the ad hominem!
<https://www.motorsport.com/f1/standings/2020/?type=Driver&class=Penalty+points>
Pity for you you don't check your facts before exposing YOUR biases, hmmm?
:-)--- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not frustratedThere is no answer to this.
about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
The driver that intrigues me is Verstappen. The talk is so much about his teammates not matching him, that it does seem to me there is a really
valid question to ask - how much better is Verstappen than anyone else?
There's little point in any more debate.
larkim <matthew.larkin@gmail.com> wrote:
There's little point in any more debate.
I wish you could convince some others of that ?
So someone who's been acting like a child for years continues to do so?
Nothing to see here...
Have you ever wondered why the person who is one of the most prolific posters here (and driver open
wheel ... cars) doesn't take part in the pool?
Have you ever wondered why the person who is one of the most prolific posters here (and driver open
wheel ... cars) doesn't take part in the pool?
On 12/11/2020 9:23 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
BTW, who here has ever said they "accept the word of any F1 driver"?
Also, lashing out at "you lot", especially in the title of a post, is
typically an indication a fit of pique rather than a rational
argument.
Just sayin'
So someone who's been acting like a child for years continues to do so?
Nothing to see here...
Have you ever wondered why the person who is one of the most prolific posters here (and driver open wheel ... cars) doesn't take part in the
pool?
Have you ever wondered why the person who is one of the most prolific posters here (and driver open
wheel ... cars) doesn't take part in the pool?
larkim <matthew.larkin@gmail.com> wrote:
There's little point in any more debate.
I wish you could convince some others of that ?
On 12 Nov 2020 13:13:19 GMT, Sir Tim <bentley@brooklands.co.uk> wrote:
larkim <matthew.larkin@gmail.com> wrote:
There's little point in any more debate.
I wish you could convince some others of that ?
The thing is, this topic is the first new one to be started in 9 days.
If we want the discussion here to be vibrant and interesting, then we
need to start topics that will encourage that!
That would require F1 be the 'spectacle' that Bernie often spoke of,
which it has not been for years.
The thing is,
On 12/11/2020 9:43 pm, ~misfit~ wrote:
On 12/11/2020 9:23 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
BTW, who here has ever said they "accept the word of any F1 driver"?
Also, lashing out at "you lot", especially in the title of a post, is
typically an indication a fit of pique rather than a rational
argument.
Just sayin'
So someone who's been acting like a child for years continues to do so?
Nothing to see here...
Have you ever wondered why the person who is one of the most prolific
posters here (and driver open wheel ... cars) doesn't take part in the
pool?
Typo: "driver" should read 'drives'. Two very different things.
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 10:41:09 -0800, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not frustrated
about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing
against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
Hmmm ... assuming he's not talking about winning the odd race, Bottas
must be in the bottom 10% of the field.
BTW, who here has ever said they "accept the word of any F1 driver"?
Also, lashing out at "you lot", especially in the title of a post, is typically an indication a fit of pique rather than a rational
argument.
Just sayin'
On 12/11/2020 9:23 pm, Martin Harran wrote:
BTW, who here has ever said they "accept the word of any F1 driver"?
Also, lashing out at "you lot", especially in the title of a post, is
typically an indication a fit of pique rather than a rational
argument.
Just sayin'
So someone who's been acting like a child for years continues to do so?
Nothing to see here...
Have you ever wondered why the person who is one of the most prolific posters here (and driver open wheel ... cars) doesn't take part in the
pool?
On Wednesday, 11 November 2020 at 18:41:15 UTC, Alan Baker wrote:
'rCLI have a lot of respect for what theyrCOve achieved. IrCOm not frustratedThere is no answer to this.
about Lewis in a Mercedes car.
rCLTo be honest, 90 percent of the field could win in that car. Nothing
against Lewis, herCOs a great driver, but the car is so dominant.'
<https://www.f1supernews.com/2020/11/09/90-of-the-field-could-win-in-that-mercedes/>
Hamilton has got himself into a position where he has, by general agreement the best car under him.
Over a season, he comprehensively beats his teammate in that car.
There is no way to judge objectively how good he is but his (mostly) picture of consistently beating his teammate and anecdotally the position that the Merc has not, in every season, been the sole fastest car, simply means he has accumulated more points and titles. There's little point in any more debate.
The question really isn't whether 90% of the grid could / would win races in that
Merc. It's whether they would win races in that Merc with Hamilton as their teammates. If Hamilton wasn't there either Bottas or another driver would have
won a few world championships, I don't think there's much argument about that.
The driver that intrigues me is Verstappen. The talk is so much about his teammates not matching him, that it does seem to me there is a really
valid question to ask - how much better is Verstappen than anyone else?
Personally, I think that in equal equipment (that suited each driver
equally in setup), Verstappen would at least equal Hamilton.
On 14/11/2020 11:52 am, Alan Baker wrote:
Personally, I think that in equal equipment (that suited each driver
equally in setup), Verstappen would at least equal Hamilton.
So would have Maldonado.
geoff
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