• Eliminate FP 1& 2?

    From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 13:37:35 2020
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general rules as curfew?
    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.
    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the audience for Friday anyway. With the testing restrictions I see the use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.
    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money. And not piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.
    So how would it effect the actual race? At the front I doubt Merc, using this and last year, would be any less dominate. At the back, well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that matters much. I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra laps but I don't see not having Friday making that large a difference since it's the same for everyone.
    Your thoughts?
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 21:41:48 2020
    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general rules as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the audience for Friday anyway. With the testing restrictions I see the use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money. And not piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race? At the front I doubt Merc, using this and last year, would be any less dominate. At the back, well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that matters much. I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra laps but I don't see not having Friday making that large a difference since it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?

    If there is no Friday running then there is less time for the feeder and support series.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 14:52:55 2020
    On 2020-10-31 2:41 p.m., Geoff May wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general rules
    as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full
    season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the
    audience for Friday anyway.-a With the testing restrictions I see the
    use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money.-a And not
    piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race?-a At the front I doubt Merc,
    using this and last year, would be any less dominate.-a At the back,
    well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that
    matters much.-a I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra laps
    but I don't see not having Friday making that large a difference since
    it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?

    If there is no Friday running then there is less time for the feeder and support series.

    There's no reason that the feeder/support series couldn't be running on Friday...
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 23:18:08 2020
    Geoff May wrote:

    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general
    rules as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full
    season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the
    audience for Friday anyway. With the testing restrictions I see
    the use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money. And not
    piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race? At the front I doubt Merc,
    using this and last year, would be any less dominate. At the back,
    well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that
    matters much. I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra
    laps but I don't see not having Friday making that large a
    difference since it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?

    If there is no Friday running then there is less time for the feeder
    and support series.


    There is actually more time where Friday running for support races only
    is viable.
    I think there is a case for considering a mix of 2 and 3 day weekends.
    I'm sure there are a variety of pros and cons for different circuits
    and promoters and it would make some back to backs easier to
    accommodate.

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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 22:38:20 2020
    On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 5:18:10 PM UTC-6, Bigbird wrote:
    Geoff May wrote:

    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general
    rules as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the audience for Friday anyway. With the testing restrictions I see
    the use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money. And not
    piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race? At the front I doubt Merc,
    using this and last year, would be any less dominate. At the back,
    well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that
    matters much. I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra
    laps but I don't see not having Friday making that large a
    difference since it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?

    If there is no Friday running then there is less time for the feeder
    and support series.

    There is actually more time where Friday running for support races only
    is viable.
    I think there is a case for considering a mix of 2 and 3 day weekends.
    I'm sure there are a variety of pros and cons for different circuits
    and promoters and it would make some back to backs easier to
    accommodate.

    lol
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 22:41:18 2020
    On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 3:52:58 PM UTC-6, Alan Baker wrote:

    There's no reason that the feeder/support series couldn't be running on Friday...

    lol
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 08:37:49 2020
    On 31/10/2020 23:18, Bigbird wrote:
    Geoff May wrote:

    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general
    rules as curfew?

    [snipped]

    Your thoughts?

    If there is no Friday running then there is less time for the feeder
    and support series.

    There is actually more time where Friday running for support races only
    is viable.
    I think there is a case for considering a mix of 2 and 3 day weekends.
    I'm sure there are a variety of pros and cons for different circuits
    and promoters and it would make some back to backs easier to
    accommodate.

    I was thinking more along the lines of the people going to the track are mainly there for the F1. If there is no F1 on Friday, fewer would turn
    up and the circuit owners would be losing out.

    Having written that, I believe they rarely make money from an F1 weekend
    in any case but I suspect they would lose even more.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 22:54:07 2020
    On 1/11/2020 9:37 am, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general rules as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the audience for Friday anyway. With the testing restrictions I see the use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money. And not piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race? At the front I doubt Merc, using this and last year, would be any less dominate. At the back, well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that matters much. I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra laps but I don't see not having Friday making that large a difference since it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?



    Surely the main purpose of the practice sessions is to tune the car for
    the track and for the drivers to work out, on the real track rather than simulation, lines and tactics.

    Just a single practice session would be, amongst other factors,
    dangerous IMO.

    geoff
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  • From Colin Stone@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 03:08:55 2020
    I think there is a case for considering a mix of 2 and 3 day weekends.

    Yup. There is a need for 3 day weekends to do testing and development plus an opportunity to give driver tests. Perhaps the second/third w/e of double/triple headers could be 2 day events??
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 14:15:24 2020
    Geoff May wrote:

    On 31/10/2020 23:18, Bigbird wrote:
    Geoff May wrote:

    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general
    rules as curfew?

    [snipped]

    Your thoughts?

    If there is no Friday running then there is less time for the
    feeder and support series.

    There is actually more time where Friday running for support races
    only is viable.
    I think there is a case for considering a mix of 2 and 3 day
    weekends. I'm sure there are a variety of pros and cons for
    different circuits and promoters and it would make some back to
    backs easier to accommodate.

    I was thinking more along the lines of the people going to the track
    are mainly there for the F1. If there is no F1 on Friday, fewer would
    turn up and the circuit owners would be losing out.

    Having written that, I believe they rarely make money from an F1
    weekend in any case but I suspect they would lose even more.


    I considered that but that depends on those circuits which are well
    attended on a Friday. Some are very poorly attended on a Friday and it
    would make little difference to them. Others like Silverstone are over
    half full on a Friday. I'm sure there are quite a number of factors but
    it is a worthwhile considering as an option.

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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Nov 6 20:12:08 2020
    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general rules as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the audience for Friday anyway. With the testing restrictions I see the use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money. And not piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race? At the front I doubt Merc, using this and last year, would be any less dominate. At the back, well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that matters much. I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra laps but I don't see not having Friday making that large a difference since it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?

    Now then, I think this article will change things: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12125460/formula-2-and-formula-3-schedule-revamps-revealed-for-2021-season

    The races where there is no F2 and F3 races could be reduced to 2 day
    race weekends. It would still impact the support races but possibly not
    as much as I originally thought.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Nov 7 09:48:16 2020
    It's kind of sad that they couldn't get a TV deal for these series so there's be a bit more money instead of just cutting costs.
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  • From keithr0@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 9 13:39:47 2020
    On 11/7/2020 6:12 AM, Geoff May wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general rules
    as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full
    season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the
    audience for Friday anyway.-a With the testing restrictions I see the
    use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money.-a And not
    piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race?-a At the front I doubt Merc,
    using this and last year, would be any less dominate.-a At the back,
    well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that
    matters much.-a I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra laps
    but I don't see not having Friday making that large a difference since
    it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?

    Now then, I think this article will change things: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12125460/formula-2-and-formula-3-schedule-revamps-revealed-for-2021-season


    The races where there is no F2 and F3 races could be reduced to 2 day
    race weekends. It would still impact the support races but possibly not
    as much as I originally thought.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Wouldn't 2 day weekends impact in season development?
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  • From XYXPDQ@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Nov 9 08:55:38 2020
    On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 7:39:50 PM UTC-8, keithr0 wrote:
    On 11/7/2020 6:12 AM, Geoff May wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 20:37, XYXPDQ wrote:
    Or more generally make Friday a rest day under the same general rules
    as curfew?

    With 2021 maybe going to 23 races and considering how taxing a full
    season already is, is the current three day weekend the best idea.

    On the minus side there's loss of tv income, but how large is the
    audience for Friday anyway.-a With the testing restrictions I see the
    use for FP1 in trying new parts and sometimes a new driver.

    On the plus side I'd think they'd save a bunch of money.-a And not
    piling on laps would make Sunday even more reliable.

    So how would it effect the actual race?-a At the front I doubt Merc,
    using this and last year, would be any less dominate.-a At the back,
    well maybe the back markers would be even further behind if that
    matters much.-a I'm guessing the midfield gets the most from extra laps >> but I don't see not having Friday making that large a difference since
    it's the same for everyone.

    Your thoughts?

    Now then, I think this article will change things: https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12125460/formula-2-and-formula-3-schedule-revamps-revealed-for-2021-season


    The races where there is no F2 and F3 races could be reduced to 2 day
    race weekends. It would still impact the support races but possibly not
    as much as I originally thought.

    Cheers

    Geoff

    Wouldn't 2 day weekends impact in season development?
    Yes, but it's be the same for everyone. I'd like to see at least some old style testing be allowed, don't see that using Fridays as a replacement has helped the sport that much.
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