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    From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Oct 25 17:13:15 2020
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 15:39:17 2020
    On 26/10/2020 1:13 pm, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Aren't these things generally done after a person retires? IMO he shouldn't get one while still
    actively driving in F1 but without a doubt he should be honoured afterwards.
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  • From Colin Stone@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 00:54:29 2020
    Aren't these things generally done after a person retires? IMO

    That is the convention. But Andy Murray is not yet retired, nor is Keir Starmer.
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 08:26:43 2020
    On 26/10/2020 07:54, Colin Stone wrote:

    Aren't these things generally done after a person retires? IMO

    That is the convention. But Andy Murray is not yet retired, nor is Keir Starmer.

    The convention normally only relates to sports people, who are
    recognised for sporting prowess alone, and only to Knight/Damehoods.

    It has not been adhered to in several recent cases - Mo Farah, Jess Ennis-Hill, Alistair Cook, Chris Hoy, Sarah Storey, Bradley Wiggins,
    Laura Davies, Lee Pearson.


    Starmer was knighted for service before he became a politician. Quite a
    few (mostly Tory) MPs are knighted while they remain in the House.
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  • From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 04:51:02 2020

    It has not been adhered to in several recent cases - Mo Farah, Jess Ennis-Hill, Alistair Cook, Chris Hoy, Sarah Storey, Bradley Wiggins,
    Laura Davies, Lee Pearson.

    Thank you. Even worse!!

    And I'm nominating him - https://www.gov.uk/honours/nominate-someone-in-the-uk --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From crms...@gmail.com@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Mon Oct 26 05:03:40 2020
    Mo Farah, Jess
    Ennis-Hill, Alistair Cook, Chris Hoy, Sarah Storey, Bradley Wiggins,
    Laura Davies, Lee Pearson.

    Thanks.

    I'm nominating him - https://www.gov.uk/honours/nominate-someone-in-the-uk

    This Q amused me - "Tell us how your nominee has been giving their service
    We need to understand how your nominee gives their service."

    Er, watch the News for the last 13 years??
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  • From Calum@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Oct 30 14:52:35 2020
    On 26/10/2020 00:13, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Of course, for all we know, he's offered one and turned it down, which
    he presumably would if he's as down with the kids as he likes to appear.
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 12:55:53 2020
    On 31/10/2020 3:52 am, Calum wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 00:13, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now.-a If Andy Murray can get one
    for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should
    have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Of course, for all we know, he's offered one and turned it down, which
    he presumably would if he's as down with the kids as he likes to appear.


    It would be great if he was offered one and replied " The offer is
    highly appreciated but I'm really not into that shit".

    geoff
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  • From texas gate@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Oct 30 18:52:08 2020
    On Friday, October 30, 2020 at 5:56:02 PM UTC-6, geoff wrote:

    It would be great if he was offered one and replied " The offer is
    highly appreciated but I'm really not into that shit".

    but he is into blm
    a terrorist organization
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 07:47:18 2020
    geoff <geoff@nospamgeoffwood.org> wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 3:52 am, Calum wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 00:13, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now.-a If Andy Murray can get one
    for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should
    have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Of course, for all we know, he's offered one and turned it down, which
    he presumably would if he's as down with the kids as he likes to appear.


    It would be great if he was offered one and replied " The offer is
    highly appreciated but I'm really not into that shit".

    Quite a few people have done that - although not quite in those terms Efye

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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 08:54:06 2020
    On 30/10/2020 23:55, geoff wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 3:52 am, Calum wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 00:13, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now.-a If Andy Murray can get one
    for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should
    have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Of course, for all we know, he's offered one and turned it down, which
    he presumably would if he's as down with the kids as he likes to appear.


    It would be great if he was offered one and replied " The offer is
    highly appreciated but I'm really not into that shit".

    He was happy to accept an MBE after his first WDC.

    Also last Sept he received an Honorary Fellowship of the Royal Academy
    of Engineering (HonFREng).
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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 23:54:17 2020
    On 31/10/2020 9:54 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 30/10/2020 23:55, geoff wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 3:52 am, Calum wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 00:13, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now.-a If Andy Murray can get one >>>> for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should
    have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Of course, for all we know, he's offered one and turned it down,
    which he presumably would if he's as down with the kids as he likes
    to appear.


    It would be great if he was offered one and replied " The offer is
    highly appreciated but I'm really not into that shit".

    He was happy to accept an MBE after his first WDC.

    Also last Sept he received an Honorary Fellowship of the Royal Academy
    of Engineering (HonFREng).

    Neither quite the same thing as a 'Sir'.

    geoff
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  • From keithr0@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 22:02:41 2020
    On 10/31/2020 6:54 PM, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 30/10/2020 23:55, geoff wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 3:52 am, Calum wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 00:13, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now.-a If Andy Murray can get one >>>> for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should
    have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Of course, for all we know, he's offered one and turned it down,
    which he presumably would if he's as down with the kids as he likes
    to appear.


    It would be great if he was offered one and replied " The offer is
    highly appreciated but I'm really not into that shit".

    He was happy to accept an MBE after his first WDC.

    Also last Sept he received an Honorary Fellowship of the Royal Academy
    of Engineering (HonFREng).

    Not quite sure what he has achieved in the field of engineering.
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  • From Halmyre@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 31 05:44:06 2020
    On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 10:54:23 AM UTC, geoff wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 9:54 pm, Brian Lawrence wrote:
    On 30/10/2020 23:55, geoff wrote:
    On 31/10/2020 3:52 am, Calum wrote:
    On 26/10/2020 00:13, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one >>>> for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should >>>> have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    Of course, for all we know, he's offered one and turned it down,
    which he presumably would if he's as down with the kids as he likes
    to appear.


    It would be great if he was offered one and replied " The offer is
    highly appreciated but I'm really not into that shit".

    He was happy to accept an MBE after his first WDC.

    Also last Sept he received an Honorary Fellowship of the Royal Academy
    of Engineering (HonFREng).
    Neither quite the same thing as a 'Sir'.


    I think though once he's taken the MBE he's already the establishment's bitch. --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From keithr0@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 14:36:38 2020
    On 10/26/2020 10:13 AM, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    I've never been sure why any sportspeople deserve knighthoods, they get
    paid millions to do what most of us do for recreation. There are far
    more deserving people who do work for relatively little reward to
    improve the human condition. I presume that it is done for political
    reasons to be seen rewarding popular "Heroes".
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  • From Geoff May@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 08:40:34 2020
    On 01/11/2020 04:36, keithr0 wrote:
    On 10/26/2020 10:13 AM, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now.-a If Andy Murray can get one
    for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should
    have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    I've never been sure why any sportspeople deserve knighthoods, they get
    paid millions to do what most of us do for recreation. There are far
    more deserving people who do work for relatively little reward to
    improve the human condition. I presume that it is done for political
    reasons to be seen rewarding popular "Heroes".

    Most sports people that get knighted do not not get it only for their
    sporting prowess. They are very often involved in other things (often
    not made public) to help people and they get the knighthood because of that.

    Cheers

    Geoff
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  • From Colin Stone@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 03:30:49 2020
    Not quite sure what he has achieved in the field of engineering.

    Set up the Commission to get more BAME into STEM, engineering and motor sports. --- SBBSecho 3.06-Win32
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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 12:04:08 2020
    On 01/11/2020 04:36, keithr0 wrote:

    On 10/26/2020 10:13 AM, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now.-a If Andy Murray can get one
    for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should
    have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    I've never been sure why any sportspeople deserve knighthoods, they get
    paid millions to do what most of us do for recreation. There are far
    more deserving people who do work for relatively little reward to
    improve the human condition. I presume that it is done for political
    reasons to be seen rewarding popular "Heroes".

    I don't know if the New Years List issued last December was typical, but
    there appear to have been 19 Knights and 18 Dames. There were no
    sportspeople.

    I imagine there would be a similar number in a typical Birthday Honours
    list, but there wasn't a typical list this year.

    There have been around 150 sporting knights & dames dating back to 1926
    very few who received the honour before the 1980s (maybe later) would
    have earned millions from their sport.
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  • From dlpleae@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 05:50:57 2020
    On Monday, October 26, 2020 at 12:13:17 AM UTC, crms...@gmail.com wrote:
    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    More chance of Cliff Richard getting one than that tax-dodging English-Sheep-Shagging hype job.
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  • From Philip@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 14:01:22 2020
    In article <7b2449d8-5bd3-4322-bf6f-5d5e047f1aden@googlegroups.com>, crmstone@gmail.com says...

    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    One of the criteria for receiving a knighthood is that the recipient pays their UK taxes, so it's very unlikely that the honours committee would
    allow any nomination for Hamilton to go through.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 15:01:43 2020
    Philip <invalid@nospam.org> wrote:
    In article <7b2449d8-5bd3-4322-bf6f-5d5e047f1aden@googlegroups.com>, crmstone@gmail.com says...

    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for
    being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got
    one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    One of the criteria for receiving a knighthood is that the recipient pays their UK taxes, so it's very unlikely that the honours committee would
    allow any nomination for Hamilton to go through.


    Are you sure about this? Hamilton is a UK citizen and IrCOm sure he pays his
    UK taxes - the fact that his financial advisors will have ensured that his exposure to UK tax is minimal may not be relevant. Do you imagine that the
    bulk of Sir Richard BransonrCOs wealth is subject to UK tax?

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  • From Brian Lawrence@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 15:32:20 2020
    On 01/11/2020 15:01, Sir Tim wrote:
    Philip <invalid@nospam.org> wrote:
    In article <7b2449d8-5bd3-4322-bf6f-5d5e047f1aden@googlegroups.com>,
    crmstone@gmail.com says...

    The Colony may not understand.

    LH definitely deserves a Knighthood now. If Andy Murray can get one for >>> being a so so tennis player, and occasionally a No 1, LH should have got >>> one by now - he has been at No 1 for years.

    One of the criteria for receiving a knighthood is that the recipient pays
    their UK taxes, so it's very unlikely that the honours committee would
    allow any nomination for Hamilton to go through.


    Are you sure about this? Hamilton is a UK citizen and IrCOm sure he pays his UK taxes - the fact that his financial advisors will have ensured that his exposure to UK tax is minimal may not be relevant. Do you imagine that the bulk of Sir Richard BransonrCOs wealth is subject to UK tax?

    Hamilton talked about the possibility last year when he was nominated.

    'When asked last year by reporters about whether he thought he would be knighted, and what his thoughts were on the Royal Family, he said: rCLI donrCOt think it is going to happen."

    rCLBut that doesnrCOt bother me. It doesnrCOt mean I am not British and I will continue to try and raise the flag as well as I can."

    "rCLJust the fact that people have mentioned it, is an honour, but I have
    not spent my life chasing it. It is just not something you grow up
    thinking of.

    rCLBut if it did happen I donrCOt know how I would handle it. I have stood
    in front of Her Majesty the Queen before and it was incredible. She
    really is awesome.rCY

    'David Richards, chairman of Motorsport UK, and Lord Hain, the former
    Labour cabinet member, wrote to Prime Minister Boris Johnson making the
    case for Hamilton's recognition in the New Year honours last year.

    The letters to Mr Johnson made the point that Hamilton's story is inspirational: the boy from a Stevenage council house who became the
    first black driver in Formula One.

    Lord Hain, who serves on the All Party Parliamentary Group for F1,
    researched the claim that Hamilton rCo despite living in Monaco rCo is among the UK's 5,000 biggest taxpayers.

    The Mercedes star's earnings allow him to contribute a significant
    amount to the exchequer while working in Britain, where his team is based.

    The revelations come in spite of criticism fired at the F1 star for his decision to live in Monaco, due to its notorious approach to tax.'

    Daily Express, July 14, 2020
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  • From Colin Stone@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Nov 1 15:40:56 2020
    And what did Sir Philip Green do?? - apart from letting his wife loot the UK retail sector being based in Monaco!!
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