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    From Heron@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Oct 23 10:24:01 2020
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Oct 23 20:56:12 2020
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

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  • From Heron@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Fri Oct 23 16:53:00 2020
    On 10/23/2020 3:56 PM, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    But one was well both in front and on the racing line, the other
    was neither. Not to mention that another overly ambitious (if not
    dangerous) move on the part of MV, yet again resulted in contact
    (i.e. just another normal weekend for him), and during practice.

    Brave of you to express an opinion after a ruling had been made.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 24 11:48:55 2020
    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    Charitable. I'd say it was more Stroll's fault, he is required to leave room if a car is
    significantly alongside. Safnauer said to the commentators "I haven't spoken to him yet but he
    couldn't have seen him - if he did he wouldn't have turned in".

    I've been reading about lingering effects of COVID lately. Some otherwise young and healthy people
    are reporting a lack of concentration and fatigue many months after having it. Just a thought...
    --
    Shaun.

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    David Melville

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 24 12:13:36 2020
    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.


    Both made assumptions which turned out to be wrong. In which case the
    car 'not ahead' made the assumption that was more wrong, especially considering he should have seen Stroll's DRS open.

    geoff
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  • From Bigbird@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 24 06:32:01 2020
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    Charitable. I'd say it was more Stroll's fault, he is required to
    leave room if a car is significantly alongside. Safnauer said to the commentators "I haven't spoken to him yet but he couldn't have seen
    him - if he did he wouldn't have turned in".


    Practice and the race are not he same thing. The point of practice is
    to run laps not get to the finish line ahead of the driver in front of
    you. Ergo...

    The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver
    of car 33 (Max
    Verstappen), team representatives and have reviewed video and audio
    evidence.
    Stroll was on a fast lap and was allowed to pass by Verstappen on the
    lap preceding
    the incident. Given the information from his team and usual practice, Verstappen
    assumed that Stroll would back off for the next lap and moved to
    overtake along the
    main straight. However, Stroll was instructed by his team to go for a
    second flying lap.
    Stroll assumed that Verstappen would have backed off to gain a gap
    between them,
    also in line with usual practice, and so was not looking for the
    overtaking Verstappen.
    The drivers agreed in the hearing that the incident was the result of a misunderstanding
    between them and that with hindsight, both could have contributed to
    avoid the incident.
    The Stewards therefore find that neither driver was wholly or
    predominantly at fault and
    take no further action.

    --
    Bozo bin
    Texasgate
    Heron
    Enjoy!
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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 24 00:25:13 2020
    On 2020-10-23 11:32 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    Charitable. I'd say it was more Stroll's fault, he is required to
    leave room if a car is significantly alongside. Safnauer said to the
    commentators "I haven't spoken to him yet but he couldn't have seen
    him - if he did he wouldn't have turned in".


    Practice and the race are not he same thing. The point of practice is
    to run laps not get to the finish line ahead of the driver in front of
    you. Ergo...

    The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver
    of car 33 (Max
    Verstappen), team representatives and have reviewed video and audio
    evidence.
    Stroll was on a fast lap and was allowed to pass by Verstappen on the
    lap preceding
    the incident. Given the information from his team and usual practice, Verstappen
    assumed that Stroll would back off for the next lap and moved to
    overtake along the
    main straight. However, Stroll was instructed by his team to go for a
    second flying lap.
    Stroll assumed that Verstappen would have backed off to gain a gap
    between them,
    also in line with usual practice, and so was not looking for the
    overtaking Verstappen.
    The drivers agreed in the hearing that the incident was the result of a misunderstanding
    between them and that with hindsight, both could have contributed to
    avoid the incident.
    The Stewards therefore find that neither driver was wholly or
    predominantly at fault and
    take no further action.


    I only just saw the replay and that seems about right.

    Two drivers got a little screwed up about who was where and doing what.
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  • From Sir Tim@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 24 07:53:15 2020
    Bigbird <bigbird.nospam.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    Charitable. I'd say it was more Stroll's fault, he is required to
    leave room if a car is significantly alongside. Safnauer said to the
    commentators "I haven't spoken to him yet but he couldn't have seen
    him - if he did he wouldn't have turned in".


    Practice and the race are not he same thing. The point of practice is
    to run laps not get to the finish line ahead of the driver in front of
    you. Ergo...

    The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver
    of car 33 (Max
    Verstappen), team representatives and have reviewed video and audio
    evidence.
    Stroll was on a fast lap and was allowed to pass by Verstappen on the
    lap preceding
    the incident. Given the information from his team and usual practice, Verstappen
    assumed that Stroll would back off for the next lap and moved to
    overtake along the
    main straight. However, Stroll was instructed by his team to go for a
    second flying lap.
    Stroll assumed that Verstappen would have backed off to gain a gap
    between them,
    also in line with usual practice, and so was not looking for the
    overtaking Verstappen.
    The drivers agreed in the hearing that the incident was the result of a misunderstanding
    between them and that with hindsight, both could have contributed to
    avoid the incident.
    The Stewards therefore find that neither driver was wholly or
    predominantly at fault and
    take no further action.


    Like I said: 50-50

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  • From geoff@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 24 23:32:40 2020
    On 24/10/2020 8:25 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-23 11:32 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    Charitable. I'd say it was more Stroll's fault, he is required to
    leave room if a car is significantly alongside. Safnauer said to the
    commentators "I haven't spoken to him yet but he couldn't have seen
    him - if he did he wouldn't have turned in".


    Practice and the race are not he same thing. The point of practice is
    to run laps not get to the finish line ahead of the driver in front of
    you. Ergo...

    The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver
    of car 33 (Max
    Verstappen), team representatives and have reviewed video and audio
    evidence.
    Stroll was on a fast lap and was allowed to pass by Verstappen on the
    lap preceding
    the incident. Given the information from his team and usual practice,
    Verstappen
    assumed that Stroll would back off for the next lap and moved to
    overtake along the
    main straight. However, Stroll was instructed by his team to go for a
    second flying lap.
    Stroll assumed that Verstappen would have backed off to gain a gap
    between them,
    also in line with usual practice, and so was not looking for the
    overtaking Verstappen.
    The drivers agreed in the hearing that the incident was the result of a
    misunderstanding
    between them and that with hindsight, both could have contributed to
    avoid the incident.
    The Stewards therefore find that neither driver was wholly or
    predominantly at fault and
    take no further action.


    I only just saw the replay and that seems about right.

    Two drivers got a little screwed up about who was where and doing what.

    VER should have noticed that STR's DRS was open and what he was doing.

    geoff.
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  • From ~misfit~@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sun Oct 25 00:27:43 2020
    On 24/10/2020 7:32 pm, Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    Charitable. I'd say it was more Stroll's fault, he is required to
    leave room if a car is significantly alongside. Safnauer said to the
    commentators "I haven't spoken to him yet but he couldn't have seen
    him - if he did he wouldn't have turned in".


    Practice and the race are not he same thing. The point of practice is
    to run laps not get to the finish line ahead of the driver in front of
    you. Ergo...

    The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver
    of car 33 (Max
    Verstappen), team representatives and have reviewed video and audio
    evidence.
    Stroll was on a fast lap and was allowed to pass by Verstappen on the
    lap preceding
    the incident. Given the information from his team and usual practice, Verstappen
    assumed that Stroll would back off for the next lap and moved to
    overtake along the
    main straight. However, Stroll was instructed by his team to go for a
    second flying lap.
    Stroll assumed that Verstappen would have backed off to gain a gap
    between them,
    also in line with usual practice, and so was not looking for the
    overtaking Verstappen.
    The drivers agreed in the hearing that the incident was the result of a misunderstanding
    between them and that with hindsight, both could have contributed to
    avoid the incident.
    The Stewards therefore find that neither driver was wholly or
    predominantly at fault and
    take no further action.

    Thanks.
    --
    Shaun.

    "Humans will have advanced a long, long way when religious belief has a cozy little classification
    in the DSM"
    David Melville

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  • From Alan Baker@24:150/2 to rec.autos.sport.f1 on Sat Oct 24 18:43:36 2020
    On 2020-10-24 3:32 a.m., geoff wrote:
    On 24/10/2020 8:25 pm, Alan Baker wrote:
    On 2020-10-23 11:32 p.m., Bigbird wrote:
    ~misfit~ wrote:

    On 24/10/2020 9:56 am, Sir Tim wrote:
    Heron <McKeister@ipanywhere.com> wrote:
    MV causes yet ANOTHER crash, in FP2 no less, has the
    gall to blames contact on the car in FRONT of him!


    Looked like 50-50 to me. Both expected the other to give way.

    Charitable. I'd say it was more Stroll's fault, he is required to
    leave room if a car is significantly alongside. Safnauer said to the
    commentators "I haven't spoken to him yet but he couldn't have seen
    him - if he did he wouldn't have turned in".


    Practice and the race are not he same thing. The point of practice is
    to run laps not get to the finish line ahead of the driver in front of
    you. Ergo...

    The Stewards heard from the driver of Car 18 (Lance Stroll), the driver
    of car 33 (Max
    Verstappen), team representatives and have reviewed video and audio
    evidence.
    Stroll was on a fast lap and was allowed to pass by Verstappen on the
    lap preceding
    the incident. Given the information from his team and usual practice,
    Verstappen
    assumed that Stroll would back off for the next lap and moved to
    overtake along the
    main straight. However, Stroll was instructed by his team to go for a
    second flying lap.
    Stroll assumed that Verstappen would have backed off to gain a gap
    between them,
    also in line with usual practice, and so was not looking for the
    overtaking Verstappen.
    The drivers agreed in the hearing that the incident was the result of a
    misunderstanding
    between them and that with hindsight, both could have contributed to
    avoid the incident.
    The Stewards therefore find that neither driver was wholly or
    predominantly at fault and
    take no further action.


    I only just saw the replay and that seems about right.

    Two drivers got a little screwed up about who was where and doing what.

    VER should have noticed that STR's DRS was open and what he was doing.

    Yes... ...he should have...

    ...and Stroll should have seen Verstappen coming.

    But Verstappen was the overtaking driver, so ultimately the onus was on
    him to keep clear.
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