Hi Developers,

I'm receiving some dupes that shouldn't happen. For echomail messages that originate or go through systems using hpt 1.9, which have -sbkeepall in their config set.


For instance here's a routing diagram of what I see for messages generated on 3:770/1 in the STATS area:

+----------+ A +-----------+
+ 3:770/1 |------->| 3:712/848 |
+----------+ +-----------+
| |
B | +-----------+ | C
+-->| 2:280/464 |<--+
+-----------+

A: Only Z3 downlinks of 3:770/1 in the seenby's
B: All downlinks (in all zones) of 3:770/1 in the seenby's
C: Unnecessary dupes received through 3:712/848, because my node should be in the seen+by's of the message received by 3:712/848 from 3:770/1.


An example for today:

From : 3:770/1 2024-01-31 23:59:16
To : All
Subj : Daily Areas Summary
@MSGID: 3:770/1 65ba2805

Has the following seen+by's and path when received directly from 3:770/1 by my system:

SEEN+BY: 218/840 220/70 226/17 267/800 280/464 712/848 770/1 100 330 340 SEEN+BY: 772/220 230
PATH: 770/1

And these when received through 3:712/848 as dupe:

SEEN+BY: 229/426 280/464 301/1 633/267 712/620 848 770/1 100 330 340 772/220 SEEN+BY: 772/230
PATH: 770/1 712/848

Notice that all the Z1 downlinks of 3:770/1 (218/840 220/70 226/17 267/800) present in the direct message, are missing from the seen+by's in the message that is received as dupe from 3:712/848.

I have confirmation it's the originating hpt system where this is happening, and there is no seen+by stripping taking place on the system in between.

3:770/1 Seems to be using hpt/lnx 1.9 2022-07-03

I've also confirmed the same thing happening on another system using hpt/lnx 1.9 2023-02-24.


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Wilfred,

Wednesday January 31 2024, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Developers:

I'm receiving some dupes that shouldn't happen. For echomail messages
that originate or go through systems using hpt 1.9, which have
-sbkeepall in their config set.

For instance here's a routing diagram of what I see for messages
generated on 3:770/1 in the STATS area:

+----------+ A +-----------+
+ 3:770/1 |------->| 3:712/848 |
+----------+ +-----------+
| |
B | +-----------+ | C
+-->| 2:280/464 |<--+
+-----------+

A: Only Z3 downlinks of 3:770/1 in the seenby's
B: All downlinks (in all zones) of 3:770/1 in the seenby's
C: Unnecessary dupes received through 3:712/848, because my node
should be in the seen+by's of the message received by 3:712/848 from 3:770/1.

An example for today:

From : 3:770/1 2024-01-31 23:59:16
To : All
Subj : Daily Areas Summary
@MSGID: 3:770/1 65ba2805

Has the following seen+by's and path when received directly from
3:770/1 by my system:

SEEN+BY: 218/840 220/70 226/17 267/800 280/464 712/848 770/1 100 330
340 SEEN+BY: 772/220 230
PATH: 770/1

And these when received through 3:712/848 as dupe:

SEEN+BY: 229/426 280/464 301/1 633/267 712/620 848 770/1 100 330 340 772/220 SEEN+BY: 772/230
PATH: 770/1 712/848

Notice that all the Z1 downlinks of 3:770/1 (218/840 220/70 226/17 267/800) present in the direct message, are missing from the seen+by's
in the message that is received as dupe from 3:712/848.

I have confirmation it's the originating hpt system where this is happening, and there is no seen+by stripping taking place on the
system in between.

3:770/1 Seems to be using hpt/lnx 1.9 2022-07-03

It is more important to know whether 3:712/848 uses hpt.

I've also confirmed the same thing happening on another system using hpt/lnx 1.9 2023-02-24.

I cannot promise I'll be able to address this issue any time soon, but to do it I must have the hpt configuration from 3:712/848 and two messages: the message he receives from 3:770/1 and the message he sends to you. My email address is in the tagline.

Michael

... node (at) f1042 (dot) ru
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20231008
* Origin: Moscow, Russia (2:5020/1042)

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 04:41:32 +0300, Michael Dukelsky -> Wilfred Van Velzen wrote:

It is more important to know whether 3:712/848 uses hpt.

I don't think there is any importance to the next-hop system in this case - as long as it doesn't strip seen+by's (which it doesn't). These are packets directly created by an hpt system, and unaltered by anyone else, also proven here using hpt.

 WV>> I've also confirmed the same thing happening on another system using
 WV>> hpt/lnx 1.9 2023-02-24.

I cannot promise I'll be able to address this issue any time soon, but to do it I must have the hpt configuration from 3:712/848 and two messages: the message he receives from 3:770/1 and the message he sends to you. My email address is in the tagline.

I have attached two packets (zipped) for you via email that were created here by hpt. One packet was destined to a Z1 link, the other was destined to a Z2 link. This is before they even left my system, so obviously unaltered by another.

If you need anything else, please let me know.

Regards,
Nick

... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
--- Mozilla Thunderbird
* Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

Hi Michael,

On 2024-01-31 22:41:32, you wrote to me:

3:770/1 Seems to be using hpt/lnx 1.9 2022-07-03

It is more important to know whether 3:712/848 uses hpt.

He does, but it's not relevant.

I've also seen this happen where the second system doesn't use hpt.

This involves:

1:154/10 hpt
1:154/30 synchronet
2:280/464 me (using FMail)

Where 1:154/10 also posts messages in the STATS area. And I'm getting them also as dupes from 1:154/30.
1:154/10 Investigated his outbound .pkt files for me and 1:154/30, the seen+by's where different, where they should be the same.

I've also confirmed the same thing happening on another system using
hpt/lnx 1.9 2023-02-24.

I cannot promise I'll be able to address this issue any time soon, but to do it I must have the hpt configuration from 3:712/848 and two messages: the message he receives from 3:770/1 and the message he sends to you. My email address is in the tagline.

Maybe I can give you those for the 1:154/* case above. But it really is as I told you, it was thoroughly investigated!

But it should be easy for you to test it yourself. Just write a message in an echomail area for which you have links in multiple zones, and check the seen+by's in the generated outbound .pkt files for these links. They should all be the same, but they won't be...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hello Nicholas,

Wednesday January 31 2024, Nicholas Boel wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

I have attached two packets (zipped) for you via email that were
created here by hpt. One packet was destined to a Z1 link, the other
was destined to a Z2 link. This is before they even left my system, so obviously unaltered by another.

If you need anything else, please let me know.

I've received your email, thank you.

Michael

... node (at) f1042 (dot) ru
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20231008
* Origin: Moscow, Russia (2:5020/1042)

Hello Wilfred,

Wednesday January 31 2024, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

3:770/1 Seems to be using hpt/lnx 1.9 2022-07-03

It is more important to know whether 3:712/848 uses hpt.

He does, but it's not relevant.

I've also seen this happen where the second system doesn't use hpt.

This involves:

1:154/10 hpt
1:154/30 synchronet
2:280/464 me (using FMail)

Where 1:154/10 also posts messages in the STATS area. And I'm getting
them also as dupes from 1:154/30.
1:154/10 Investigated his outbound .pkt files for me and 1:154/30, the seen+by's where different, where they should be the same.

I've also confirmed the same thing happening on another system
using hpt/lnx 1.9 2023-02-24.

I cannot promise I'll be able to address this issue any time
soon, but to do it I must have the hpt configuration from
3:712/848 and two messages: the message he receives from 3:770/1
and the message he sends to you. My email address is in the
tagline.

Maybe I can give you those for the 1:154/* case above. But it really
is as I told you, it was thoroughly investigated!

But it should be easy for you to test it yourself. Just write a
message in an echomail area for which you have links in multiple
zones, and check the seen+by's in the generated outbound .pkt files
for these links. They should all be the same, but they won't be...

OK, I see. Thank you.

Michael

... node (at) f1042 (dot) ru
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20231008
* Origin: Moscow, Russia (2:5020/1042)

Hello Wilfred,

Wednesday January 31 2024, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Developers:

I'm receiving some dupes that shouldn't happen. For echomail messages
that originate or go through systems using hpt 1.9, which have
-sbkeepall in their config set.

I've pushed a fix. Please test it.

Michael

... node (at) f1042 (dot) ru
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20231008
* Origin: Moscow, Russia (2:5020/1042)

Hi Michael,

On 2024-02-05 23:23:22, you wrote to me:

I'm receiving some dupes that shouldn't happen. For echomail messages
that originate or go through systems using hpt 1.9, which have
-sbkeepall in their config set.

I've pushed a fix. Please test it.

I'm not a husky user myself. I just noticed the problem and reported on it.

But if my links, that use husky, start using this version, I will keep a close eye on what will happen!


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 04:37:56 +0100, Wilfred Van Velzen -> Michael Dukelsky wrote:

But if my links, that use husky, start using this version, I will keep a close eye on what will happen!

Updated. Let me know what you see from here on out.

Regards,
Nick

... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
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* Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 05:23:22 +0300, Michael Dukelsky -> Wilfred Van Velzen wrote:

I've pushed a fix. Please test it.

Thank you! Testing in progress. :)

Regards,
Nick

... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
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Hi Nicholas,

On 2024-02-05 15:49:16, you wrote to me:

But if my links, that use husky, start using this version, I will
keep a close eye on what will happen!

Updated. Let me know what you see from here on out.

Regards,
Nick

SEEN-BY: 103/705 120/616 123/10 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 40 50 700

^^

@PATH: 154/10 280/464

I didn't also get this message as dupe from 154/30, which is connected here aswell. So the first "test" seems to be successful! ;-)


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 05:59:20 +0100, Wilfred Van Velzen -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

 NB>> SEEN-BY: 103/705 120/616 123/10 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 40 50 700

                                                            ^^

 NB>> @PATH: 154/10 280/464

I didn't also get this message as dupe from 154/30, which is connected here
aswell. So the first "test" seems to be successful! ;-)

Did you only quote one line of the SEEN+BY? For some wierd reason it seems like there should be more on that list. ;)

Otherwise, let me know how the test goes!

Regards,
Nick

... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
--- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderb
* Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)

On Monday February 05 2024, Michael Dukelsky said the following...

I've pushed a fix. Please test it.

Thanks Michael,

I've updated here. I have automated messages I export to zones 1, 2 & 3 each morning in the horoscope echo, I'll check on these tomorrow & see what they look like.


Jay

... Why was the cookie sad? Because his mom was a wafer long!
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20231112
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hello Wilfred!

05 Feb 24 22:37, you wrote to Michael Dukelsky:

But if my links, that use husky, start using this version, I will keep
a close eye on what will happen!

Updated here...


Stephen


--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20231021
* Origin: Dragon's Lair ---:- dragon.vk3heg.net -:--- Prt: 6800 (3:633/280)

On 05.02.2024 22:23, Michael Dukelsky wrote:

I've pushed a fix. Please test it.

Compiled OS/2 and Linux. Running.

'Tommi

---
* Origin: == mxo == jamnntpd ============ (2:221/1.0)

Hi Nicholas,

On 2024-02-05 17:19:22, you wrote to me:

 NB>>> SEEN-BY: 103/705 120/616 123/10 124/5016 153/757 154/10 30 40 50
 NB>>> 700

 NB>>> @PATH: 154/10 280/464

I didn't also get this message as dupe from 154/30, which is
connected here aswell. So the first "test" seems to be successful!
;-)

Did you only quote one line of the SEEN+BY?

I did.

For some wierd reason it seems like there should be more on that list.
;)

That's right. For reference, this is the full set as copied from your inbound .pkt file.

SEEN+BY: 120/616 123/10 154/10 30 40 50 700 220/90 221/6 226/18 280/464 301/1 SEEN+BY: 3634/12

Otherwise, let me know how the test goes!

Today I didn't receive any dupes for your messages the STATS area, compared to before when I received them from 154/30. So, so far so good. :-)


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Stephen,

On 2024-02-06 11:32:46, you wrote to me:

@TID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-02-05

But if my links, that use husky, start using this version, I will
keep a close eye on what will happen!

Updated here...

For reference: copied from your inbound pkt:
SEEN+BY: 229/426 280/464 633/267 280 281 412 418 420 509 2744 712/848 770/1


It looks good! I didn't receive any dupes for this message from you. Neither from 712/848 or 770/1, that are both directly connected here to this area. But they should also upgrade!


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

* Carbon copied to Paul Hayton 3:770/1

Hi Stephen,

On 2024-02-06 09:06:29, I wrote to you:

It looks good! I didn't receive any dupes for this message from you. Neither from 712/848 or 770/1, that are both directly connected here
to this area. But they should also upgrade!

Paul Hayton doesn't seem to have updated his hpt yet. I still got his messages in the STATS area as dupes through 712/848...


Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On Monday February 05 2024, Jay Harris said the following...

On Monday February 05 2024, Michael Dukelsky said the following...

I've pushed a fix. Please test it.

Thanks Michael,

I've updated here. I have automated messages I export to zones 1, 2 &
3 each morning in the horoscope echo, I'll check on these tomorrow &
see what they look like.

Looks like the messages I send to 3:770/1 were already ok:

Same both yesterday & this morning:
@SEEN-BY: 218/840 221/6 229/426 664 712/848 770/1 100
@PATH: 229/664 770/1


Messages sent to 1:229/426 now have 221/6 & 770/1 in their seen-bys, which weren't there before:

Yesterday:
@SEEN-BY: 15/0 106/201 128/260 129/305 135/225 153/7715 218/700 226/30 @SEEN-BY: 227/114 229/110 112 113 307 317 400 426 428 470 664 700 266/512 @SEEN-BY: 291/111 320/219 396/45 460/58 633/280 712/848 2320/105 5020/400 @SEEN-BY: 5075/35
@PATH: 229/664 426

Today:
@SEEN-BY: 15/0 106/201 128/260 129/305 135/225 153/7715 218/700 221/6
@SEEN-BY: 226/30 227/114 229/110 112 113 307 317 400 426 428 470 664
@SEEN-BY: 229/700 266/512 291/111 320/219 396/45 460/58 633/280 712/848 @SEEN-BY: 770/1 2320/105 5020/400 5075/35
@PATH: 229/664 426


Jay

... I wouldn't buy anything with velcro. It's a total rip-off
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20231112
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:229/664)

Hi Wilfred,

* Carbon copied to Paul Hayton 3:770/1
Hi Stephen,
On 2024-02-06 09:06:29, I wrote to you:

It looks good! I didn't receive any dupes for this message from
you. Neither from 712/848 or 770/1, that are both directly
connected here to this area. But they should also upgrade!

Paul Hayton doesn't seem to have updated his hpt yet. I still got his messages in the STATS area as dupes through 712/848...

Thanks for the netmail, I was not following this thread. It's been a while since I last updated the software and it sounds like there's a new way to do it? I'll try to find some time to have a look at this in the coming week.

Best, Paul.

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Agency + Risa HUB - Dunedin, New Zealand (3:770/1)

On 11 Feb 2024 at 12:43p, Paul Hayton pondered and said...

way to do it? I'll try to find some time to have a look at this in the coming week.

It's been a while since I built this software and looking back at my notes I used to do this with success

d /hub/temp/huskyproject/
ls
cd hpt
git pull
cd ..
cd htick
git pull
cd ..
cd huskylib/
git pull
cd ..
cd fidoconf/
git pull
cd ..
cd areafix/
git pull
cd ..
cd huskybse/
git pull
cd ..
cd smapi/
git pull
cd ..
cd hptzip/
git pull
cd ..
cd htick/
git pull
cd ..
make
cd huskylib/
make
sudo make install
cd ..
cd smapi/
make
sudo make install
cd ..
cd fidoconf/
make
sudo make install
cd ..
cd areafix/
make
sudo make install
cd ..
cd hptzip/
make
sudo make install
cd ..
cd hpt
make
sudo make install
cd ..
cd htick/
make
sudo make install
cd ..
cd huskybse/
make
sudo make install
cd ..


but now I get the following

avon@orac:/hub/temp/huskyproject/hpt$ git pull
Updating 0966c813..e7e64fa3
error: Your local changes to the following files would be overwritten by merge:
.cvs2cl
.gitignore
CMakeLists.txt
INSTALL.md
Makefile
appveyor.yml
cvsdate.h
doc/Makefile
doc/hpt.texi
doc/texinfo.tex
h/fcommon.h
h/pkt.h
h/version.h
hpt.spec
huskymak.cfg
man/hptlink.1
man/hpttree.1
misc/pingpong.pm
src/global.c
src/hpt.c
src/hptlink.c
src/hpttree.c
src/perl.c
src/pktinfo.c
src/pktread.c
src/pktwrite.c
src/post.c
src/scan.c
src/seenby.c
src/toss.c
src/tpkt.c
src/txt2pkt.c
Please commit your changes or stash them before you merge.
Aborting


when I look at the install.asciidocs it talks about updating?? a csvdate.h file date for each directory? I can see the date in the file in the HPT directory but how to know what to change it to?

git log -1 --date=short --format=format:"%cd" h/*.h src/*.c
2021-04-19

what am I missing?

I don't want to break my system

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)

It's been a while since I built this software and looking back at my notes I used to do this with success

I would do a fresh install in a new husky directory. I just did that a few days ago and all is well here.

From section 2.4 of the INSTALL.asciidoc ..

wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/huskyproject/huskybse/master/script/init _build

chmod 0755 init_build
./init_build


Then change into the husky directory and adjust the huskymac.cfg as needed and then run..

./build.sh

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-6
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hi Paul,

On 2024-02-17 14:41:43, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

OK all done, seemed to work OK but am not 100% sure if I have the new versions running (or not)?

Wilfred do you want to run another test to see if 3:770/1 is behaving itself now?

When your daily messages in the STATS area are posted I'll know when there are no dupes coming in through Scott.

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

Hi Paul,

On 2024-02-17 11:17:55, I wrote to you:

OK all done, seemed to work OK but am not 100% sure if I have the
new versions running (or not)?

Wilfred do you want to run another test to see if 3:770/1 is behaving
itself now?

When your daily messages in the STATS area are posted I'll know when there
are no dupes coming in through Scott.

Those were posted about 21 minutes ago, and there are no dupes sofar. So it's looking good!

Bye, Wilfred.

--- FMail-lnx64 2.2.1.0
* Origin: FMail development HQ (2:280/464)

On 13 Feb 2024 at 12:20a, Alan Ianson pondered and said...

I would do a fresh install in a new husky directory. I just did that a
few days ago and all is well here.

From section 2.4 of the INSTALL.asciidoc ..

wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/huskyproject/huskybse/master/script/init

chmod 0755 init_build
./init_build

Then change into the husky directory and adjust the huskymac.cfg as
needed and then run..

./build.sh

OK all done, seemed to work OK but am not 100% sure if I have the new versions running (or not)?

Wilfred do you want to run another test to see if 3:770/1 is behaving itself now?

Hopefully I'm now in sync with the rest of the community :)

Best, Paul

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:41:42 +1300, Paul Hayton -> Alan Ianson wrote:

OK all done,  seemed to work OK but am not 100% sure if I have the new versions running (or not)?

Wilfred do you want to run another test to see if 3:770/1 is behaving itself now?

Hopefully I'm now in sync with the rest of the community :)

Just run 'hpt' on the command line with no arguments. First line before the usage help will tell you.

'hpt/lnx 1.9 [date here]' -- 2024-02-05 is what you're looking for. If not, you did it wrong. :)

Regards,
Nick

... "Take my advice, I don't use it anyway."
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On 16 Feb 2024 at 07:47p, Nicholas Boel pondered and said...

Just run 'hpt' on the command line with no arguments. First line before the usage help will tell you.

'hpt/lnx 1.9 [date here]' -- 2024-02-05 is what you're looking for. If not, you did it wrong. :)

I think it worked, I just had to correct the path to my config files when I built the software as I had it wrong the first time. Ah the joys :)

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
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On 17 Feb 2024 at 11:17a, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

When your daily messages in the STATS area are posted I'll know when
there are no dupes coming in through Scott.

Coolio.

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)

On 17 Feb 2024 at 12:21p, Wilfred van Velzen pondered and said...

Those were posted about 21 minutes ago, and there are no dupes sofar. So it's looking good!

Good stuff, thanks for letting me know :)

Kerr Avon [Blake's 7] 'I'm not expendable, I'm not stupid and I'm not going' avon[at]bbs.nz | bbs.nz | fsxnet.nz

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Linux/64)
* Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)