• non-CM nodes

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Sep 13 17:54:45 2022
    MvdV> before Alla helgons dag.

    LOL! Thanks, I love it. <3

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Sep 14 20:19:00 2022
    On 09-12-22 17:38, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Björn Felten <=-

    analog telephony only exist as the last decameter from the ATA next to the cable modem to the telephone on my desk. And that last analog decameter will be history in the near future too.

    Not even that here, the landline is a DECT handset. While I have a couple of analogue phone ports, they are currently unused.


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tony Langdon on Wed Sep 14 16:51:02 2022
    Hello Tony,

    On Wednesday September 14 2022 20:19, you wrote to me:

    analog telephony only exist as the last decameter from the ATA
    next to the cable modem to the telephone on my desk. And that
    last analog decameter will be history in the near future too.

    Not even that here, the landline is a DECT handset.

    That too is a transition step. The next logical step is cordless VOIP telephones that directly connect via the WiFi mesh network in the house.

    While I have a couple of analogue phone ports, they are currently
    unused.

    I still have an analog PABX is use, but it is nearing end of life...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Sep 19 21:28:28 2022
    12 Sep 2022 10:23, you wrote to me:

    How would you do (or are you doing) to make binkd only poll a
    non-CM node at its open hours?

    Do you have a non-CM link? Or is this a theoretical problem? ;)

    Theoretical. :-)

    I think non-CM in combination with IBN, most of the time is an error
    in the nodelist. I never found a non-CM + IBN node that was actually
    just connectable at ZMH. And it doesn't make sense either.

    A non-CM node doesn't have to be a ZMH-only node. As you know, it can carry the ,Tyz flag.
    A sysop may not want or need to have her system running 24 hours a day, for whatever reason.

    Besides non-CM nodes, it could be useful for points...

    Points that are not CM, should just poll their boss. ;-)

    IMO a boss and a point can make their connections in any way they agree... (Also, the point can be the sysop.)

    I'm testing this with a CM link (renaming to .HLO just after
    tossing, and after packing netmail) and works fine.

    Then you are just lucky, because no .?SY files are used, binkd could
    just grab the .?LO file, and do it's thing before your scripts rename
    them to .HLO...

    I may do some more tests, to see if can be less lucky... :-)

    Carlos

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Carlos Navarro on Tue Sep 20 08:40:59 2022
    Hi Carlos,

    On 2022-09-19 21:28:28, you wrote to me:

    I think non-CM in combination with IBN, most of the time is an error
    in the nodelist. I never found a non-CM + IBN node that was actually
    just connectable at ZMH. And it doesn't make sense either.

    A non-CM node doesn't have to be a ZMH-only node. As you know, it can carry
    the ,Tyz flag. A sysop may not want or need to have her system running 24 hours a day, for whatever reason.

    Either way, I have never seen this working correctly.

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Carlos Navarro on Tue Sep 20 21:49:13 2022
    Hello Carlos,

    On Monday September 19 2022 21:28, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    I think non-CM in combination with IBN, most of the time is an
    error in the nodelist. I never found a non-CM + IBN node that was
    actually just connectable at ZMH. And it doesn't make sense
    either.

    A non-CM node doesn't have to be a ZMH-only node. As you know, it can carry the ,Tyz flag. A sysop may not want or need to have her system running 24 hours a day, for whatever reason.

    Theoretically that is possible and a non CM binkp node is not against the rules. But it is against common sense. Binkp connectibility requires an internet connection and these days internet connetions are up 24/7. It takes EFFORT to configure a binkp system for non CM operation, it strongy reduces connectivity and there are no benefits that I can see.

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Sep 20 21:47:09 2022
    Michiel wrote (2022-09-20):

    A non-CM node doesn't have to be a ZMH-only node. As you know, it
    can carry the ,Tyz flag. A sysop may not want or need to have her
    system running 24 hours a day, for whatever reason.

    MvdV> Theoretically that is possible and a non CM binkp node is not against the
    MvdV> rules. But it is against common sense. Binkp connectibility requires an
    MvdV> internet connection and these days internet connetions are up 24/7. It
    MvdV> takes EFFORT to configure a binkp system for non CM operation, it strongy
    MvdV> reduces connectivity and there are no benefits that I can see.

    We have to save energy. I'm not reading my mails after midnight, why not put the computer to sleep as well.

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wed Sep 21 19:21:00 2022
    On 09-14-22 16:51, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    analog telephony only exist as the last decameter from the ATA
    next to the cable modem to the telephone on my desk. And that
    last analog decameter will be history in the near future too.

    Not even that here, the landline is a DECT handset.

    That too is a transition step. The next logical step is cordless VOIP telephones that directly connect via the WiFi mesh network in the
    house.

    I have softphones on devices as well that act as cordless wifi handsets.

    While I have a couple of analogue phone ports, they are currently
    unused.

    I still have an analog PABX is use, but it is nearing end of life...

    I've never had one of those. Any PBXs I've played with have been digital (software or embedded).


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Oli on Wed Sep 21 16:59:10 2022
    Hello Oli,

    On Tuesday September 20 2022 21:47, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> Theoretically that is possible and a non CM binkp node is not
    MvdV>> against the rules. But it is against common sense. Binkp
    MvdV>> connectibility requires an internet connection and these days
    MvdV>> internet connetions are up 24/7. It takes EFFORT to configure a
    MvdV>> binkp system for non CM operation, it strongy reduces
    MvdV>> connectivity and there are no benefits that I can see.

    We have to save energy. I'm not reading my mails after midnight, why
    not put the computer to sleep as well.

    Because it would seriously degrade my connectivity. The switch from dial up connection via analog POTS to a "wideband" internet connection brought greater speed, but for Fidonet the main improvement was going to 24/7 connectivity without additional cost. That was a major change for the better and the Fidoweb as we have it now would be impossible without it. Going back to non 24/7 connectivity is not an option for me. I may consider moving from a full desktop to a Raspbery Pi for the node. It only takes 5 Watt.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Angel Ripoll@2:341/66 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Wed Sep 21 18:09:48 2022
    Hola Michiel!

    21 Sep 22 16:59, Michiel van der Vlist dijo a Oli:

    MvdV> brought greater speed, but for Fidonet the main improvement was going to
    MvdV> 24/7 connectivity without additional cost. That was a major change for

    The cost of electricity. A computer to host the system can consume more than 100 KWh per month.

    MvdV> consider moving from a full desktop to a Raspbery Pi for the node. It
    MvdV> only takes 5 Watt.

    Less than that. My node is in a raspi 4 and is consuming an average power of 3.3W, which gives an average consumption of less than 2.5 KWh per month. Much difference. I've been measuring it for over two months.

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
    aripoll @ zruspas.org

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  • From Stas Mishchenkov@2:460/5858 to Angel Ripoll on Fri Sep 23 22:54:12 2022
    Hi, Angel!

    21 ᥭ 22 18:09, Angel Ripoll -> Michiel Van Der Vlist:

    MvdV>> brought greater speed, but for Fidonet the main improvement was
    MvdV>> going to 24/7 connectivity without additional cost. That was a
    MvdV>> major change for

    The cost of electricity. A computer to host the system can consume more than 100 KWh per month.

    I have HP Proliant server fore Fido. It takes about 57.6 kWh per month (with router and switch). It costs for me about 1.6 euro.

    Have nice nights.
    Stas Mishchenkov.

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  • From Angel Ripoll@2:341/66 to Stas Mishchenkov on Sat Sep 24 01:57:50 2022
    Hola Stas!

    23 Sep 22 22:54, Stas Mishchenkov dijo a Angel Ripoll:

    The cost of electricity. A computer to host the system can consume
    more than 100 KWh per month.

    I have HP Proliant server fore Fido. It takes about 57.6 kWh per month (with router and switch). It costs for me about 1.6 euro.

    Perhaps I have overestimated it, but even though it is 50 KWh, the price of electricity in Spain is ¤0.20/KWh. Much more than those ¤1.6 that you pay

    Un saludo,
    Angel Ripoll
    aripoll @ zruspas.org

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Sep 25 21:41:26 2022
    20 Sep 2022 21:49, you wrote to me:

    It takes EFFORT to configure a binkp system for non CM operation,

    I don't think it would take much effort.

    Carlos

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  • From Fred Riccio@1:132/174 to Michiel and Carlos on Sun Sep 25 17:02:28 2022
    Hello Michiel!

    20 Sep 22 21:49, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Carlos Navarro:

    MvdV> It takes EFFORT to configure a binkp system for non CM operation

    If your tosser is Squish, read up on the SCHED, LEAVE, UNLEAVE, and CHANGE routing commands. RTFM doesn't take much effort <shrug>.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Fred Riccio on Sun Sep 25 23:16:25 2022
    Hello Fred,

    On Sunday September 25 2022 17:02, you wrote to Michiel and Carlos:

    MvdV>> It takes EFFORT to configure a binkp system for non CM
    MvdV>> operation

    If your tosser is Squish, read up on the SCHED, LEAVE, UNLEAVE, and
    CHANGE routing commands. RTFM doesn't take much effort <shrug>.

    My tosser is not Squish.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to Fred Riccio on Tue Oct 4 18:29:04 2022
    25 Sep 2022 17:02, you wrote to Michiel and Carlos:

    MvdV>> It takes EFFORT to configure a binkp system for non CM
    MvdV>> operation

    If your tosser is Squish,

    Mine isn't either :-)

    read up on the SCHED, LEAVE, UNLEAVE, and CHANGE routing commands.

    Very interesting. I didn't know about that (never used Squish). Thanks for the info!

    Carlos

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