• FTelnet Y-Modem G

    From Martin Kazmaier@1:340/1101 to All on Mon Nov 28 19:43:00 2022
    Is there a reliable way to send from ftelnet to a fossil y-modem BBS
    Protocol? I'm trying the latest ftelnet snippit from ftelnet.ca and the prototype fdsz dated 04-29-97 using the dsz -g (though not documented
    in fdsz) command with rb and sb. I still get an error that G is expected,
    but not received from the ftelnet ymodem upload window. I've been able to transfer from fdsz through olms2000 to ftelnet successfully using y-modem. I haven't tried transfering from ftelnet to fdsz successfully. I'm running EleBBS, but any protocols for any bbs that use fossil drivers are acceptable.

    Thanks! Hopefully I supplied enough information. If it matters, I'm running
    a 32 bit XP VM.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to Martin Kazmaier on Wed Nov 30 03:46:15 2022
    To: Martin Kazmaier
    Re: FTelnet Y-Modem G
    By: Martin Kazmaier to All on Mon Nov 28 2022 07:43 pm

    Is there a reliable way to send from ftelnet to a fossil y-modem BBS Protocol? I'm trying the latest ftelnet snippit from ftelnet.ca and the prototype fdsz dated 04-29-97 using the dsz -g (though not documented
    in fdsz) command with rb and sb. I still get an error that G is expected, but not received from the ftelnet ymodem upload window. I've been able to transfer from fdsz through olms2000 to ftelnet successfully using y-modem.
    I haven't tried transfering from ftelnet to fdsz successfully. I'm running EleBBS, but any protocols for any bbs that use fossil drivers are acceptable.

    Thanks! Hopefully I supplied enough information. If it matters, I'm running

    sexyz will send ymodemg with ftelnet.

    fdsz is scaled down and i dont think it does that other stuff.
    i ran fdsz in dosbox and it says -g is bad command
    also is 'rb and sb' a typo?
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  • From Martin Kazmaier@1:340/1101 to Jas Hud on Wed Dec 7 01:31:00 2022
    rb and sb are for receiving and sending ymodem batch with fdsz, not a typo. Thanks for the help!

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri Dec 9 09:37:04 2022
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: FTelnet Y-Modem G
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Fri Dec 09 2022 06:13 am

    Dude, go fuck yourself and troll on your own board. No one cares what you

    i am on my own board. you don't understand current bbs softwares.
    You're stuck in the 16bit world of obsolete softwares.

    have to say. Go make some more rezipped archives and say they are better than everything.

    Lux and I just made sense out of the huge mess of your(?) 'updates' and string files. or should i say lee palmer. I heard nothing but complaints over the years so we made something simple for people to use and they loved it.
    Just like you should be doing, I said it was an 'unofficial release'.

    Your(?) work was a huge embarassing mess. I don't know how someone could release something like that.

    Making a clean working usable version is something you(?) never thought of doing. instead you'd rather make a new version for something trivial to make it seem like renegade was being developed.

    Never worked on the file system, never made it 32bit. made a mess out of the menu system and data files. Made it a pain in the ass for people to import files and get file_id.diz discriptions.

    No wonder like only 4 people run renegade out of the thousands of bbses, muds and mushes that run now.

    Mr. Professor.

    That's still a lame ass attempt at being deroatory. you should find someone else to come up with something else. just like you do with everything else.
    have lee work on something and you can take credit for it.
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Fri Dec 9 16:22:34 2022
    i am on my own board. you don't understand current bbs softwares.

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    Doesn't look like it Mr. Professor.

    i am on my own board. you don't understand current bbs softwares.
    You're stuck in the 16bit world of obsolete softwares.

    And that is where I am going to stay. I under new software just fine, most of it is bloated crapware.

    Lux and I just made sense out of the huge mess of your(?) 'updates' and st files. or should i say lee palmer. I heard nothing but complaints over th

    Didn't know there anything to make sense for? It started in 2003, and released ever ver inbetween. If you goto the offical RG website of www.rgbbs.info, you'll find them all there and in order in which they were released.

    Nothing is there before 11-26.3 as that was the 1st update

    files. or should i say lee palmer. I heard nothing but complaints over th years so we made something simple for people to use and they loved it.

    From who? Lux complaining about total menus, and Nick stating about the menu data file? Other than that, RG has received a bunch of compliments from
    Miri and Cott. So go blow some more smoke up your ass.

    years so we made something simple for people to use and they loved it.
    Just like you should be doing, I said it was an 'unofficial release'.

    Your(?) work was a huge embarassing mess. I don't know how someone could release something like that.

    Making a clean working usable version is something you(?) never thought of doing. instead you'd rather make a new version for something trivial to ma it seem like renegade was being developed.

    Never worked on the file system, never made it 32bit. made a mess out of menu system and data files. Made it a pain in the ass for people to impor

    Why would I make BBS setup with doors and everything else? So some dumb ass can unzip it and put it online? No. This hobby was NEVER meant to be that and I refuse to give into morons that refuse to learn. Just like those stupid mystic youtube videos. Seriously? If you can't setup the BBS software from the docs, YOU DO NOT NEED TO RUN ONE because you do not understand it at all!

    No wonder like only 4 people run renegade out of the thousands of bbses, m and mushes that run now.

    One, there is only like 1100 on the telnet list. Secondly, DOS is a dieing platform by Mircosoft.

    Third, how many retards run their BBS in the cloud? That is STUPID. If you don't want to put the time in, the money, the hardware, get out of the hobby. Oh hi, I run a BBS it's at blah blah blah, I log in every 5 weeks and see if the VM on my cloudhost I PAY stupid amounts of money for is still working or even STILL there.

    Mr. Professor.

    That's still a lame ass attempt at being deroatory. you should find someo

    No, just a compliment.

    ... Immortality is no excuse for not flossing.

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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri Dec 9 16:05:33 2022
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: FTelnet Y-Modem G
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Jas Hud on Fri Dec 09 2022 04:22 pm

    i am on my own board. you don't understand current bbs softwares.

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    Doesn't look like it Mr. Professor.


    SEE. you don't understand.
    https://i.imgur.com/r9cLsDn.png

    not reading the rest of your bullshit.
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri Dec 9 16:30:53 2022
    Didn't know there anything to make sense for? It started in 2003, and released ever ver inbetween. If you goto the offical RG website of www.rgbbs.info, you'll find them all there and in order in which they
    were released.

    So I've stayed out of the conversation til now but feel compelled to respond a bit here. I don't use Synchronet /or/ Renegade and don't have a dog in this specific fight, but...where's the history file? A comprehensive whatsnew or what differentiates one version to the next? Unless you're a Renegade diehard, I don't see many people walking up and looking at RG as an option without understanding what's happening with each release. It's pretty black box. Just my $.02.

    Why would I make BBS setup with doors and everything else? So some dumb ass can unzip it and put it online? No. This hobby was NEVER meant to be that and I refuse to give into morons that refuse to learn. Just
    like those stupid mystic youtube videos. Seriously? If you can't setup the BBS software from the docs, YOU DO NOT NEED TO RUN ONE because you
    do not understand it at all!

    This hobby is whatever someone wants it to be. This is very gatekeeper-ish. There are many cool BBSes online that leverage some more modern technology. And the Mystic YouTube videos democratized FTN.

    I rebuilt a car engine with the help of YouTube. No purists yelled at me about doing it wrong since I didn't sit there with a howto manual printed in black and white.

    BBSing is still very niche but it's also a thing that has moved on a bit for many people, and that's ok. I don't think it's appropriate to maintain a BBS software and then claim everyone else is doing it wrong simply because they do things differently. This is a hot take, but that's pretty immature IMO.

    Third, how many retards run their BBS in the cloud? That is STUPID.
    If you don't want to put the time in, the money, the hardware, get out
    of the hobby. Oh hi, I run a BBS it's at blah blah blah, I log in every
    5 weeks and see if the VM on my cloudhost I PAY stupid amounts of money for is still working or even STILL there.

    How many people let the internet into their home firewall because they want to run a DOS BBS? If you ask me, /THAT/ is what's retarded. I travel for work a lot and run everything in the cloud because I'm not 14 sitting in my parents' basement waiting for someone to dial into my BBS.

    Furthermore, with all this gatekeeperism, I sure hope you only serve dialup, because using something as modern as TCP/IP is not what BBSes were intended for!

    Anyway I don't intend to go back and forth and/or fight about this stuff, I just felt compelled to call out the immaturity and gatekeeping here. Yeah, you're talking to jas, but you're posting on a forum with other people, and your general attitude here is one that makes me scratch my head.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/11 (Linux/64)
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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Ryan Fantus on Fri Dec 9 17:35:02 2022
    Re: Re: FTelnet Y-Modem G
    By: Ryan Fantus to T.J. Mcmillen on Fri Dec 09 2022 04:30 pm

    This hobby is whatever someone wants it to be. This is very gatekeeper-ish. There are many cool BBSes online that leverage some more modern technology.

    Here here!
    --
    digital man (rob)

    Synchronet "Real Fact" #50:
    JAM and Squish were considered before developing Synchronet Message Base format Norco, CA WX: 53.6°F, 65.0% humidity, 0 mph E wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Ryan Fantus on Fri Dec 9 21:24:12 2022
    So I've stayed out of the conversation til now but feel compelled to respo bit here. I don't use Synchronet /or/ Renegade and don't have a dog in thi specific fight, but...where's the history file? A comprehensive whatsnew o what differentiates one version to the next? Unless you're a Renegade dieh I don't see many people walking up and looking at RG as an option without understanding what's happening with each release. It's pretty black box. J my $.02.

    It's in every update archive.

    you're talking to jas, but you're posting on a forum with other people, an

    I'm just talking to a jackhole that doesn't know when to shut his mouth (Jas, not you) .... if you ever saw that crap before you understand.

    ... Discoveries are made by not following instructions,

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Ryan Fantus on Fri Dec 9 22:44:56 2022
    On 09 Dec 22 16:30:53, Ryan Fantus said the following to T.J. Mcmillen:

    How many people let the internet into their home firewall because they want run a DOS BBS? If you ask me, /THAT/ is what's retarded. I travel for work

    I'm one of them... I pay for a commercial-grade Internet connection, have a good firewall and freely allow connections on port 23. Which is running an obsolete OS running a DOS BBS. Also a dialup line which gets maybe a few callers a month. Usually some maniac in the boonies with an old Thinkpad
    and a long-distance plan to call Toronto and wayyyyy too much free time. Who has complained via email - Internet email - when he can't dial in. To my BBS.

    The decision to pay for those things and my DOS BBS also powers the entire backoffice operation of Fidonet between two zones, tosses mail to close to a hundred links using some stuff dating back to... '87 I think. All for others
    to keep enjoying... Ask TJ/Exodus, I really only use RG for cranking out messages. Thousands, literally thousands I've written since '94. If others call my board and enjoy whats here, good for them.

    While our resident Professor effeminately screams murder that I'll be "hacked tomorrow" I've made many long lasting friendships from running that silly system or at least able to trade bizarre banter with total strangers. Theres something amusing about not knowing who will vanish tomorrow... who will
    die and leave their computer unattended until a relative, police or landlord shuts it off. I have a very morbid dark sense of humor.

    "Retarded" is very subjective... 99% of the world thinks we're ALL nuts for what we're doing here.

    Nick

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Sat Dec 10 13:22:13 2022
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    Love that new board of yours.


    yep you still dont understand.
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    Oh I get it.

    ... Sometimes even fools make good suggestions.

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat Dec 10 13:32:27 2022
    The change log is in the UPDATE archives. No need to put a whatdone in
    a new full install. Who would care what was done when they are "new".
    I used to have it as a running list, but it got WAYYY to long, so I
    just put the change from last ver to this ver in each update log.

    Any reason you can't have a running changelog on the website? I can't say I agree with your assessment here. The Synchronet changelog and Mystic changelog are both extremely useful.

    So the answer is, maybe you are not someone that would care, but that's because you innately know what's new and none of us do. :)

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/11 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: m O N T E R E Y b B S . c O M (1:218/820)
  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:229/426 to Ryan Fantus on Sat Dec 10 17:28:43 2022
    Any reason you can't have a running changelog on the website? I can't say I agree with your assessment here. The Synchronet changelog and Mystic change are both extremely useful.

    So the answer is, maybe you are not someone that would care, but that's because you innately know what's new and none of us do. :)

    I probably can ... no one has ever asked for it. Might look into it when I'm off work for Christmas week. It's a long damn list from 2003 until now.

    I actually was porting my v1.30 DOCs (which mr. professor says aren't real) to amke some nce HTML screens for them, but the way I want to do it with charts and tables is taking some time. (Lots of copy/paste, OCD sets in, etc. <G>).

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Ryan Fantus on Sat Dec 10 17:54:55 2022
    Any reason you can't have a running changelog on the website? I can't say

    2713 lines long is the changelog .... I'll get around to it here sooner or later. Was going to post it here in raw form, but I'd have to cut it into like 10 msgs.

    ... Hard Work never killed anyone, so why chance it?

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
    * Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (1:129/305)
  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat Dec 10 19:10:03 2022
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: FTelnet Y-Modem G
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Ryan Fantus on Sat Dec 10 2022 05:28 pm


    So the answer is, maybe you are not someone that would care, but that's because you innately know what's new and none of us do. :)

    I probably can ... no one has ever asked for it. Might look into it when I'm off work for Christmas week. It's a long damn list from 2003 until now.

    I actually was porting my v1.30 DOCs (which mr. professor says aren't real) to amke some nce HTML screens for them, but the way I want to do it with

    that's because nobody wants to run renegade.

    if you are making html screens have someone else do it just like your coding. your html skills look like dogshit. and coming from me, that's saying a lot. --- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
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  • From Jas Hud@1:103/705 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat Dec 10 19:10:44 2022
    To: T.J. Mcmillen
    Re: Re: FTelnet Y-Modem G
    By: T.J. Mcmillen to Ryan Fantus on Sat Dec 10 2022 05:54 pm

    Any reason you can't have a running changelog on the website? I can't say

    2713 lines long is the changelog .... I'll get around to it here sooner or later. Was going to post it here in raw form, but I'd have to cut it into like 10 msgs.

    this is the bbs_carnival echo. not a renegade echo.
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  • From T.J. Mcmillen@1:129/305 to Jas Hud on Sat Dec 10 22:18:05 2022
    2713 lines long is the changelog .... I'll get around to it here sooner or later. Was going to post it here in raw form, but I'd have to cut it into like 10 msgs.

    this is the bbs_carnival echo. not a renegade echo.

    I'm sorry, I was absent from class today.

    ... Forget the manual, phone the author at home!

    --- Renegade v1.31/Exp
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to T.J. Mcmillen on Sat Dec 10 19:32:35 2022
    2713 lines long is the changelog .... I'll get around to it here sooner
    or later. Was going to post it here in raw form, but I'd have to cut
    it into like 10 msgs.

    Ha, yeah, that would be tough. Having it on the website would be cool, though...I'd love to peruse. Thanks.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 2022/07/11 (Linux/64)
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